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I must also add, ironaddict, that the fatigue you were experiencing was probably due to tunica soreness from the PGE1, and not the lig fatigue that is necessary to deform the ligs, from what I am reading on Bib's forum

If you were to ask Bib, he would tell you to not use PGE1, pumping or any girth work while hanging. Anything that causes "Tiredness, soreness, in the lateral layer of the tunica."

I think it's cool people here are taking new approaches but it maybe kind of foolish to be mixing all these methods together, maybe even harmful to results. I am seriously considering stopping the PGE1 injections. If there is any complications in my hanging from them, I am going to stop immediately. Hopefully since guys here are making noise about the PGE1, it will be more readily available when I am ready to go back on it, so it won't be an issue.

You have to keep in mind that it is recommended to be on the PGE1 for 18 months. It's not really something you try for a couple months to see if it gives you any gains with your current routine. I started on it with the intent of 18 months, then learned that it may interfere with hanging, that is the only reason I may go off it.

Same with hanging. It's a long term thing.

Medicating:

I have no idea if DMSO and Paba will soften the tunica. I will ask a doctor what he thinks. I know the topical Verapamil helps break down existing fibrosis and prevents future. I was told this and prescribed it by a doctor. I am going to try DMSO and Paba out and see what happens. Again, it may have to go on the shelf as I hang for year or two.

I think what you are asking is if DMSO and Paba without PGE1 will soften the tunica. I would say that if it softens the tunica at all, using PGE1 with it is irrelevant. I have yet to find anything in medical writing that says PGE1 unlinks weaves in the tunica. I will ask a doctor this.
 
MikeShlort;512416 said:
I must also add, ironaddict, that the fatigue you were experiencing was probably due to tunica soreness from the PGE1, and not the lig fatigue that is necessary to deform the ligs, from what I am reading on Bib's forum

If you were to ask Bib, he would tell you to not use PGE1, pumping or any girth work while hanging. Anything that causes "Tiredness, soreness, in the lateral layer of the tunica."

I think it's cool people here are taking new approaches but it maybe kind of foolish to be mixing all these methods together, maybe even harmful to results. I am seriously considering stopping the PGE1 injections. If there is any complications in my hanging from them, I am going to stop immediately. Hopefully since guys here are making noise about the PGE1, it will be more readily available when I am ready to go back on it, so it won't be an issue.

You have to keep in mind that it is recommended to be on the PGE1 for 18 months. It's not really something you try for a couple months to see if it gives you any gains with your current routine. I started on it with the intent of 18 months, then learned that it may interfere with hanging, that is the only reason I may go off it.

Same with hanging. It's a long term thing.

Medicating:

I have no idea if DMSO and Paba will soften the tunica. I will ask a doctor what he thinks. I know the topical Verapamil helps break down existing fibrosis and prevents future. I was told this and prescribed it by a doctor. I am going to try DMSO and Paba out and see what happens. Again, it may have to go on the shelf as I hang for year or two.

I think what you are asking is if DMSO and Paba without PGE1 will soften the tunica. I would say that if it softens the tunica at all, using PGE1 with it is irrelevant. I have yet to find anything in medical writing that says PGE1 unlinks weaves in the tunica. I will ask a doctor this.
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Hey mike, yes I know it was tunica soreness. Most of my progress is documented over at thunders place. I have been hanging since 2009 or 2010. I fucked it up for the most part until about 1.5 years ago, but length gains have been a REAL bitch. My ligs are maxed out and it is all tunica work nowadays. I basically have gone from 6 NBPenis EnlargementL x6 (the only way I measured back then) to 7.5 NBPenis EnlargementL and a 7.5 base, and a 6.75 midshaft with a good erection. My results have been good, but I have always wanted a 9" BPenis EnlargementL and I am .6" away. I doubt I will stop there. I am a 260 lb power lifter so it doesn't really look all that long.

I am glad you are hanging now, and yes it WILL work for you. AttacHydromaxent with the bib can be difficult, and reaching (slowly) the amount of weight you need to cause gains can take a while, but if you follow his instructions, you will get them. For most people this is 8-15 lbs. For me, that is barely where they even started.

I think PGE-1 will benefit me because my tunica has gotten tough. paba and the dmso will help along with the TB4. [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extenders[/words] do almost nothing for me, and due to my excess scrotal skin and larger girth, wearing them hurts badly.
 
Wow iron, you already have a huge cock. I hear what you say about it looking small since you're so big - I've been into lifting weights and have gained mass but I prefer being skinny - makes mine look bigger. I've been sick the past week and lost weight and size and it really makes it look bigger compared to the rest of my body. I'm naturally scrawny though. I guess in your case, PGE1 and jelqing is the way to go. Check out Ronielle's blog on chempe, there's a link to it on his divocup site, divocup.com
Go for long engorgement times
 
Damn King, with the amount of pussy you've been slayin, who needs PGE1!!! You're barred up all day.:P
Good work man, good to see you makin use of those gains. Love this thread, it should be made into a movie.
 
Ramrod360;512545 said:
Damn King, with the amount of pussy you've been slayin, who needs PGE1!!! You're barred up all day.:P
Good work man, good to see you makin use of those gains. Love this thread, it should be made into a movie.
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Ya. If I ever get a girlfriend, I am going to demand that she read this thread in it's entirety.
 
MikeShlort;512464 said:
Wow iron, you already have a huge cock. I hear what you say about it looking small since you're so big - I've been into lifting weights and have gained mass but I prefer being skinny - makes mine look bigger. I've been sick the past week and lost weight and size and it really makes it look bigger compared to the rest of my body. I'm naturally scrawny though. I guess in your case, PGE1 and jelqing is the way to go. Check out Ronielle's blog on chempe, there's a link to it on his divocup site, divocup.com
Go for long engorgement times
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Thanks for the kind words. I am going to reply to your PM now. PGE-1 would be really shitty for someone going for ligament gains, but mine are all used up, it is all tunica work. So manking the tunica palleable and more flimsy, should help me a ton. I can hang 20 lbs straight up over a pulley without much discomfort believe it or not. I worked down to 15 lbs last night with fatigue, which was rare. I have looked at ronielles site, he is knowledable thank you for the link.
 
kingsnake;512706 said:
Hey fellas. Busy couple of days. I'll report back to every one tomorrow.
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Look out for Jaz's call, we are all set for the Nov. 1....I will be driving through Georgia if you want us to pick you up.
 
Hey ironaddict. The amount of pge1 that I take varies. PGE1 is unpredictable at times but on the norm I inject 10mcgs for a good 3 hour erection. With TB4 I take 100mcgs per injection. I back load the tb4 into the same syringe that I extract my pge1 from to form my cocktail.

With caverject or pge1, make sure you are using a trimix that has more pge1 then any other vasodiolater in it or just pure pge1 by itself like I use. With a pure pge1 erection you’ll be in some pain as your erection aches. This is the pge1 unlinking the cologen bonds of the tunica during the erection. Other vasodiolators don’t do this. They just simply give you an erection. PGE1 is king.

Definitely follow this protocol ironaddict, before giving up chemical Penis Enlargement. One thing I suggest you stop doing right now is clamping because it’s to rough and will harden your tunica more. Just the stress of a tunica unlinking pge1 erection for 3 to 4 hours will be enough and if you want to take it to a higher level you can LIGHTLY pump for a few sets right in the middle of your pge1 erection time.

With jelqing this is optional. There’s lots of mixed opinions on jelqing with chemical Penis Enlargement. Dr Adams which is the holder of the chemical Penis Enlargement patent, is against it, saying that jelqing will harden the tunica. CoughRonielleCough on the other hand is a jelqing fanatic. Hey jelqs for 45 mins to an hour after his chemical erection goes down to take advantage of the cologen unlinking that the pge1 did and further stress the tissues and create micro damage. Then he puts on his divo cup [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] to heal in an extended state between sessions. Never letting his penis turtle.

He’s claiming a 2 inch length and 2 inch girth gain from this so it’s really up to you wether to incorporate jelqing with this protocol. I personally like to do it after my pge1 erection goes down to help break up any potential scar tissue at the injection site and for further expansion and tension on the penis. The way I see it is the dmso/paba should prevent the tunica from toughening up if you stay away from hardcore shit like clamping and heavy ass hanging past 20 pounds. I also take 1 gram of paba orally on top of this as well as vitaman E 400 iu 3 times a day to combat agains tissue toughening and scarring.

For DMSO I get mine from supplement warehouse.com. The 70% solution with 30% distilled water is easier on the skin and just as effective as 99% solution.

I get all of my injection chemicals from ergopep.com right now.

With powdered PABA I get that from purebulk.com.

Hey Starks. With Shane Deasal and Napier, I don’t know if they’ve done any forms of Penis Enlargement. For all we know they could both just be natural and won the genetic lottery. It seems with Shane and Jack, they have some amazing tunica mass and elasticity but they lack smooth muscle and pc muscles strength to power there erections. Thus there poor EQ all the time.

For your other question. I got my divo cup from Ronielles chemical Penis Enlargement website

Hey mikeshlorts. I don't think you need to worry about pge1 erections getting in the way of your hanging. Just do all of your hanging in the first half of the day then in the evenings do your pge1 erection workouts. A lot of people say doing length work first is the way to go then girth work. I don't see it that way. We are working on increasing raw tissue mass in the CCS and in the tunica. An increase in mass is going to result in a length gain and a girth gain anyway. I've always done Penis Enlargement with the focus to increase tissue mass and not so much length first or girth later and the result has been me making great gains in both measurments because I increased mass through out as well as tuncia elasticity. Even Dr Adam's subjects gained both length and girth from just manual stretches and being erect for 3 to 6 hours a day.

Look at coughroniellecough. He didn't even hang. For mechanical forms of Penis Enlargement he just injected for pge1 erections, jelqed, and whore his [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] to stay elongated while healing and he's claiming he went from 7 x 5 to 9 x 7. No real focus on length or girth specific but he gained in both bigtime because he increased the total mass of his penis so it woud be able to hold more blood, resulting in a longer and thicker erection. By increasing raw tissue mass of the penis wether it's from hanging, jelqing, pumping or being engorged for hours at a time, this will increase both length and girth all at once. The only difference is with hanging, some of those length gains will come from the ligs and connector points deep in the base.

Hey Medicating. Yes. DMSO mixed with PABA should soften your tunica after a couple weeks of use. You should do two treatments a day about 20 to 40 minutes long each treatment.

Hey sir wankalot. If you’re measuring correct then that means you’re using 40 mcgs of pge1 right now which is a FUCKING lot. If I took that much pge1 at one time I’d be erect for 12 hours probrabley. You’re building up a high tolerance to it which is going to get expensive for you as your tolerance goes up even more with time.

I think coughroniellecough said he has to use a whopping 300 mcgs of pge1 just for a 2 to 3 hour erection.

So far my erections definitely look bigger then ever. Lengthwise and girthwise. I’ll be measuring soon to see if I’ve made any erect gains with this method.

It's late so tomorrow I'll update my chemical pe log to fill everyone in on my last pge1 session which was yesterday October 17th. I took today off which is the 18th. Tomorrow on the 19th Im got another pge1 session and will report that as well.
 
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Wankalot - you probably got a less potent batch - maybe it stayed out of the fridge too long on shipping. The most I've done is 28 units - this gave me about 3-4 hours. I notice each batch has it's own potency. Or maybe you aren't hitting the CC properly.

Kingsnake - I find that after a PGE1 dose, my penis is less stretchy, less pliable than it was before the dose. Basically shorter and fatter - the opposite of what I want. I don't want to toughen my tunica up so it makes it impossible to gain from hanging for tunica gains. I think I'm going to go off it while I hang - I don't see the point to stay on when I'm going for length. Then, after all my hanging gains are maximized, I will go back on it for overall volume of penis growth.

According to Bib, I have internal penis that I am able to get out from hanging. May as well get those gains first, right? Then the PGE1 will not only affect the penis that was there before hanging, but the new penis that has been brought out from inside me, therefore affecting the most amount of penis, maximizing gains. This is the way I see it, at least. Hopefully Bib's methods work for me, cuz I haven't gained shit for length following other methods.

My only concern is will I be able to get a hold of a PGE1 supply in 1-2 years? Let's hope.
 
Hey Kingsnake heads up on the Divosuit and Divocups. I have both products and can tell from personal experience that both products are "ok". One Divosuit will no keep you at all a full extended state at best your about 50% extended. You will need two at a minimum to really extended your penis. Three and even four would your best bet. If I'm not mistaken the maker of the Divosuit wears four on at a time. They do have their pros. They are durable and can be washed. I've had silicone sleeves which work great but wear out pretty quickly. If you can make your own you would be money.
The Divocups I find utterly useless. They are not heavy enough to extend your penis to any length. An they are kind of a bitch to put on. In my opinion they are to time consuming if you have a normal job and can't afford to spend n extra couple of minutes in the bathroom putting them on. This is just my view point from the experience I've had with them.
 
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How would you rate the divosuit vs [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]uncle jims[/words] wrap or a what-a-grip?
 
Hey Snake, do you follow the 10 hr a week principle from BIB with hanging or do you follow what work for you?

Also will PABA works alone if I apply it directly on my member?
 
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Jaz tried you yesterday. I gave him your email and he will be in touch. We are on for November 1.
 
Gravik;513422 said:
How would you rate the divosuit vs [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]uncle jims[/words] wrap or a what-a-grip?
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As far as divo suit vs [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]uncle jim[/words] for comfort I would go with divouit but not by much the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]uncle jim[/words] wrap isnt bad either and as far as keeping you extended i would go with the edge for [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]uncle jim[/words] because you stetch it out then wrap it holds very well and when it comes to keeping extended for the divosuit you will need more than 1 for better results because what that does is compress your penis more causing it to extend more. As far as sleeping I would give it to divosuit as well even though it can get uncomfy at night at the base which caused me to pull it off and go back to sleep. Lastly when it comes to peeing you can actually piss wearing the divosuit I wouldn't try with more than one layer though because like i said compression will determine what you feel while pissing but it may seem Divosuit has more key factors I would suggest the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]Uncle jim[/words] wrap because it keeps me extended at a longer length and thats what I want and all the other stuff like pissing and sleeping with it I can just take it off and re-wrap so it's no big deal i sont know about what a grip so I cant say
 
I can't piss with divo on though, not even one layer. I pissed all over myself and the wall. I can look back at it now and laugh but I was pissed off (or rather on) at the time.
 
Those divocups and divosuits are absolute shit. Snake, you hang with 10-20 lbs.

.2 lbs will do nothing for your dick. I promise. I would go back to montes weights, but [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] systems are not needed if you hang 3-4 sets a day. You constantly are pulling out the adhesions and micro tears at that rate.
 
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