redthorn;544851 said:
Ha well the flip side is that I get confirmation that what I'm doing is actually useful and not off in left field somewhere...so it helps to help! :D

What girth increase did you see following the SRT? Just curious... :)
 
redthorn;544810 said:
I've been following the girth portion of SRT (will be going all in once I can spring for a sizegenetics) and I'm wearing the cockring 3-4 hours after my session. Here's what I can tell you:

1) Once I've finished my last set of SSJs, I get myself fully erect, then reverse kegel as hard as I can to get even MORE erect, then strap on the cockring.
2) I take the cockring off periodically just to let some fresh blood circulate. Generally I do this every time I feel my dick getting cold. Once or twice an hour.
3) In addition to this, once every hour or 2 I will take the ring off and look at �naked people movies� and edge for 5 minutes or so, and then reverse kegel in a fully hard and expanded state and put the ring back on (and by the way, feeling your dick in your hand when it's in this beefed up state is totally amazing lol).
4) I keep this up for as long as I can, but usually after 3 or 4 hours the ring starts majorly chaffing my dick, so that's when I finish up for the day. I'm working on ways to go even longer with the ring, but from what DLD says above even 2-3 hours is really good.
5) I do my girth work in the morning or in the afternoon, so I don't wear the ring up until bed. Supposedly you can, but you're not supposed to sleep in it. But this isn't an issue for me anyway because I do it earlier in the day and am usually way too sore to wear it up until I'm ready to sleep.

Hope that helps :)

yeah thanks man that was a great explanation! thanks for the info i appreciate that
 
Zambrodom3;544909 said:
What girth increase did you see following the SRT? Just curious... :)

Like I said in my own thread, I've set myself a month long challenge of doing my girth routine at least 6 days a week after which I'll measure to see if I've gained permanently...I still have a week and a half to go. The SRT principle I'm following is using the cock ring after my girth session so that I stay in an expanded state as long as possible, allowing my dick to heal in that expanded state.

I'll post my definitive results for better or worse when my challenge is up. For now, I can tell you two things. One, I'm gradually getting more length inside the pump...when I started pumping, I'd be a little under 7.5 at maximum pressure, whereas now I'm getting close to 7.75, which is getting more consistent every day. Two, my post-pump temporary girth gains are increasing. When I started, I was getting around a quarter of an inch increase, whereas now it's close to three quarters of an inch.

So even though I haven't measured yet, I can see objectively that my dick is expanding more and more as I continue to use the pump, which I have to assume, logically, translates to some deeper change (i.e. permanent growth). Otherwise I'd just be pumping to the same size every day.

Anyway, between the 1-1.5 hours I spend on my routine plus another 4 in the cock ring afterwards, I'm spending over 5 hours every day with my cock expanded to 3/4s of an inch more than its usual girth. If I'm gonna grow at all, I'm pretty that's how it's gonna go down lol.
 
Redthorn, Thanks for your incredible help, support and comprehension of SRT and how it works and your sharing of such! Bless you!
 
Thanks, DLD! Like I said, it's good to know that I'm properly understanding your concept. The logic behind it makes huge sense, which inspires enough confidence to keep pushing forward with it long enough to give it a chance to work. Plus, it's just an enjoyable process. My self-esteem finds it kind of hard to argue with 5 hours of Mega-Dick every day lol.
 
Just got a good routine down, and I'm trying to follow SRT.

This is what I do:
Mornings- 4 to 5 hours of size genetics extending, worn two times for 2 hours or 3 times at an hour and a half. I'll gradually increase the tension as time passes, so start off easy and work my way up.
Evenings- 3 to 4 sets of Bathmate Pumping and Jelqing for 10 minutes each. Comes out to be about an hour or an hour and a half of Penis Enlargement. When I'm done, I'll put on my cock ring until bed.
Before Bed- Remove the cock ring and do Uncle Jims Wrap while I sleep.

I don't know if I'm doing the Uncle Jim Wrap the right way though, because sometimes I'll wake up and the bandage unrolled itself.
 
DLD, your theory seems logic to me, but you used tight briefs as underwear. I'm using boxer briefs and only feel a slight difference when going commando. I try to extend the legs by pulling a couple of times a day to have them as loose as possible. It doesn't feels like the package is squeezed altogether, just kept in place so it doesn't dangle back and forth, it feels like it hangs freely though. When I'm sitting I can feel the package getting squeezed with or without underwear if I'm wearing any pants. Do you think my underwear is holding my dick back?
 
This is an incredible thread! Nice work gentlemen.

Along with the enhanced healing cementing gains, has anyone tried using glutamine as a regular supplement staple?

Its prob been adressed 14 times on this massive site and i'm being annoyingly redundant.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/glutamine2.htm

just being curious
grapeape
 
grapeape;546596 said:
This is an incredible thread! Nice work gentlemen.

Along with the enhanced healing cementing gains, has anyone tried using glutamine as a regular supplement staple?

Its prob been adressed 14 times on this massive site and i'm being annoyingly redundant.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/glutamine2.htm

just being curious
grapeape

Yes you lazy bastard, its already been addressed.....duh!
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...upplement-help-increse-the-size-of-your-penis


(man you can find anything on here) sorry for the waste of some posts gentlemen
 
I read every post from the beginning of the thread and I can say.. WOW! This is awesome- the theory, the science, everything. Makes a lot of sense. Congratulations on your spectacular observations DLD. I feel like I got everything except for some of the writings from the user "irspow". I find them amazing and based on the SRT theory and science that has been applied to medicine numerous times. But here is the part that I did not understand 100%. (Sorry, but I am quite unfamiliar with quoting, so I'll post the quotes with copy-paste and tell where they are from).


irspow;473635 said:
It is applicable to noobs and vets the same, it is fundamental, without it, no form of Penis Enlargement would not work at all. SRT is simply the next step in the evolutionary transformation of Penis Enlargement from a slow inefficient system to a more efficient system using the same techniques, but over increasingly longer periods of continuous time. (Which will, when people start to really grasp it, require far less force, because it is time under force which is significantly more important than applying high-intensity intermittently.)
Post number 194, page 10

"There is nothing in it that runs contrary to how the cell cycle works or how it is induced when applying forces."
Post number 210, page 11


"If you want more penis, you want more cells. If you want to "grow" your penis as fast as possible, you want to add as many cells as possible over time. If you want a more dense and resistant to "growth" penis, overtrain, overstress, intermittently. Let those daughter cells starve on the stalled conveyor belt of the cell cycle. Stress, rest, stress, rest = stop the growth flow, waste time, stop the growth flow, waste time. LOL
Post number 212, page 11

Ok, so, the above quoted was from his writings and comments on this same thread, but this is his answer on another thread ( " http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?65758-Penis-enlargement-effort-and-rest-discussion " ,post number 2)
"....Using a force which recruits a number of cells greater than the number of parent cells available simply starves or slows the growth of developing daughter cells. The preceding explains why all of the studies of traction have shown that time under traction is significantly more important, and correlates closer to gains in tissue expansion, than the force of traction itself. (If you used enough force to theoretically recruit every cell, you would simply be starving all of your daughter cells slowing their growth significantly.) Because we cannot measure how many cells we recruit, or cause sufficient separation, it is BETTER to recruit less than maximum cells for a longer time period, than to recruit too many and slow (or even stop temporarily) the growth of daughter cells with a greater force for a limited duration. No matter how much force is applied to a group of cells, and how many cells that we cause to split, they will still have to go through there approximate twenty-four hour mitosis cycle. You cannot speed up mitosis of cells themselves by increasing force. You can only increase the number of cells triggered into mitosis by increasing force. But the number of "ready" parents is finite and unknown. Exceeding this force is highly INEFFICIENT.."

Now, all of these quotes talk about the splitting of the parent-daughter cells during mitosis. He says that exceeding the intensity that the parent cells can handle (I am not very good in expressing myself, but I hope you get my question and what I mean) can lead to starvation and death to the daughter cells, which destroys every chance of one to gain. Does that mean that the more intensity I apply, the more daughter cells I destroy, because I exceeded the intensity the parent cells can handle? And if all of the above is true, how should one know when he should apply no more tension and stop?

I was thinking on incorporating hanging or maybe some more intense exercise to the SRT, but if this is true- There should be no exercises that give you a lot of tension (mostly light ones that will be cemented with constant extension/expansion, rather than hard ones that will be cemented with constant extension/expansion). I would really appreciate your answer, because I think that could be the confusion of the thousands of readers of this thread. Wish you all the best, hope everything with the pill formula, Length master, and videos you are currently doing (damn you're busy) goes ok and no difficulties are on the way. Zam :)
 
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Oh, and another question (sorry for spamming, but it is a must to know if you want to gain LMAO ) If I want to do only the girth part of the routine and keep myself in expanded state for as long as possible after the pump, if I lose my pump expansion, is it good to repump. I read DLD recommending this, but this got me- what if I can do this all day long to assure maximum time for my girth to heal and grow (CAN I??????- like 4 times a day for example). If I do it after the first (6 (pumping) x6(SSJ)x3 supersetting), how much should the second one last and should there be SSJ again or one is ok. And how much more will I be able to do after 1st or 2nd one and for shorter periods of time each or not? Hope my questions make sense LMAO.
 
Zambrodom3;546775 said:
Oh, and another question (sorry for spamming, but it is a must to know if you want to gain LMAO ) If I want to do only the girth part of the routine and keep myself in expanded state for as long as possible after the pump, if I lose my pump expansion, is it good to repump. I read DLD recommending this, but this got me- what if I can do this all day long to assure maximum time for my girth to heal and grow (CAN I??????- like 4 times a day for example). If I do it after the first (6 (pumping) x6(SSJ)x3 supersetting), how much should the second one last and should there be SSJ again or one is ok. And how much more will I be able to do after 1st or 2nd one and for shorter periods of time each or not? Hope my questions make sense LMAO.

You're not going to lose your post-pump expansion if you keep the cock ring on. Seriously, the expansion lasts for a few hours by itself and much longer with the cock ring. Yesterday I finished my set at 5, wore the cock ring until half past 9, and I still had my post pump expansion at midnight. Probably longer, actually, but it was gone by the time I woke up.

I don't know if you've started pumping, but take it slow. I wouldn't worry about going all day right off the bat because if you're doing it right the workout should be pretty intense. When you pump, the pressure is essentially pulling your dick outward...microscopically, tearing the cells "horizontally" the same way stretching does "vertically." Repumping later in the day after you've already done a set will just create more damage while you're trying to heal from what you've already done. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try it, but start off with the recommended sets and see how your body handles that before you start going epic. Plus, for me at least, the cock ring comes with a built in time limit because it starts majorly chaffing at the 4 or 5 hour mark.

What you can and should do though is restimulate yourself every hour or 2, get a big hardon, and then put the cock ring back on so that you're expanded again and with fresh blood.

I don't know if you saw my post from yesterday, but the later sets (second and especially third) are where I see the most expansion. When I add pump time, I start adding it to the third set, then the second, then all three. So I started out doing 10 x 3 in the pump, then 10 x 10 x 15, then 10 x 15 x 15, and now its 15 x 3. Slow and smart way to work it up.

Finally, SSJs make a big difference as far as making your temp gains more "solid." Those times I've skipped the manual exercises and only pumped I still get the temp gains, but they're sort of "puffy" and don't feel as hard and tough in my hands. So personally I always SSJ (or at least jelq) after a pumping set. Currently doing 5 1-minute SSJs each time.
 
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Thanks for the answer,red! I still haven't begun doing this, but I am trying to get as much info as possible before attempting to do anything. If I don't do it right- I am wasting my time- that's why I ask now. I know that the cock ring will keep my expansion for some time. But what made me ask this question is that I am unsure if my pumping expansion would last long itself. I've read that some guys keep it for 2 and other for around 6 hours and it varies. If I do not keep my expansion for 2 hours or so, I thought I'd have to add another pumping session, when the first one's effect disappears. It is really good to hear that your expansion lasts 4+ hours, but for the sake of having everything in mind (if you know how to deal with a problem before you get it- that's best), I assume my expansion to be around 30 minutes LMAO to hour and a half max.
I saw DLD advising you that a second session might be good, but I see your point there. You are right. I must heal, but what if the expansion doesn't last as long as it has to (at least around 4 hours).
Can you please explain what those 10x3, 10x10 and so on mean actually. 10 mins. in the pump then 10 SSJs or what? Or as in the end you said- you do 5x1min SSJ after each Penomet set (Pump- SSJ(1 min) X5?)
And last, but not least- what cock ring are you currently using, is it good, where do I buy it from. I am currently looking for a good one, an advice will be highly appreciated :). Plus, so you take the ring off every hour to get a better EQ, put again and this for 4-5 hours or so, right?
Thank you really much for your answers and all, I highly appreciate your support :)
 
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New Video on SRT just added. A full length film will be uploaded tonight! Enjoy!

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Zambrodom3;546781 said:
You are right. I must heal, but what if the expansion doesn't last as long as it has to (at least around 4 hours).

The whole point of wearing the cock ring is that it keeps the expansion for you. I have no idea how long my temp gains would last without the cock ring but I strongly doubt that I would keep them as long as I do without it.

The reason for this is that the pump stretches the dick and lets the newly formed space created by the stretching fill with blood...this is what causes the temp gains. The cock ring then traps blood in your dick and keeps that newly created space full of blood longer than it would normally be, which means it stays bigger longer. In other words, as long as you've got the cock ring on, you shouldn't lose your temporary gains.

Zambrodom3;546781 said:
Can you please explain what those 10x3, 10x10 and so on mean actually.

My routine:

15 minutes in pump
5 60-second SSJs

Do this three times.

It's a variation of what was presented to me as "5 x 5 x 3," which just means 5 minutes in the pump followed by 5 minutes jelqing/SSJing, and doing three sets of these.

Zambrodom3;546781 said:
what cock ring are you currently using, is it good, where do I buy it from.

I'm just using a 10 dollar silicone one from a sex shop. It may not be the cadillac of cock rings, but it gets the job done :)

Zambrodom3;546781 said:
Plus, so you take the ring off every hour to get a better EQ, put again and this for 4-5 hours or so, right?

Depends on how the dick is feeling. I take it off whenever it starts feeling cold/looking greyish blue, because you want blood to circulate. When I started, I had to do this every 20-30 minutes...now I can go an hour or more without taking it off. Basically you just let your dick "breath" for a minute or two, shake it around, etc, then put the ring back on. After 4-5 hours I take it off for the da
 
Thank you for the support and the fast answers, red. You're awesome! I will assume that wearing and ring will make my expansion last 3-4 hours minimum. When you measure your gains, please share them, the theory sounds like results are sure and fast. :)
 
i have a question for expereinced users with the penoment... so i just started using it(today was my second time) and i want to know when you pump and after you finish pumping is your penis still hard or not? i go in the gaitor fully erect and it stays the same while im in the gaitor but after when i finish and take the penoment off my penis is a long flappy semi erect/semi flaccid penis and for now i dont see any real expansion after pumping... i just wanted to hear how it is for other users and if the experienced guys with the penoment could answer my question, thanks!
 
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