Holy shit! Crack cocaine! I could talk about that but I don't want you thinking about crack. I can see where you're coming from with the edging and kegeling during sex. I never realized I was kegeling up to a climax until I started Penis Enlargement. Now that I've done so much kegeling I have a lot more control over that area. I can't hold off ejaculating for too long right now as soon as I'm climaxing but I'm sure when I get into a situation where I'm having sex consistently I should be able to build that up. I'm definitely improving in the area of controlling when I cum. What I've always had going for myself is that I can stay up after I've busted a load.... and when I was in high school it would really trip girls out. I'd fuck for like 2 minutes and bust a nut, wipe it down with a towel, and start fucking again... and they'd have this stupid look on their face like, "Wait, that doesn't happen". That's really all I had going for myself sexually aside from having a decent build and being strong/flexible until I started Penis Enlargement. When I started college they were all sluts who just gobbled the cum up and turned back around and let me pound them so they could get another serving. Now that I've been doing Penis Enlargement and getting my dick bigger I get no pussy...
 
15 min manual stretch
Hung one set of 1lbs, just to try and get wrap down. Difficulty getting wrap right.
3-4 hours extending (not much because I was planning to hang today)

gym - legs

15 min manual stretch session

Tried again to hang but could not get wrap to stop slipping. I will try again tomorrow morning
 
Hey mike what kind of wrap are you using? Are you starting the wrap one inch below the coronal ridge and then pulling your skin out as far as possible while wrapping until you get to the extreme base?

I tried using Thera band but I find using a bandage wrap much better. I'm currently hanging 20 lbs with it. I've learnt that it is best for me to wrap tighter at the base and loser near my nob end. That way when I attach the hanger it slips over the internals bringing my foreskin covered with the wrap, over my nob. I always attach it a couple inches or more away from the coronal ridge as I've found it less painful to do it this way.
 
Ya I'm using 8 inches of t-shirt material underneath and 15 inches of theraband on top, both 2 inches wide. When I hung before, I used the t-shirt material but for the top wrap I used a self-adhesive bandage wrap and I had no problem wrapping, but I did sustain an injury to my glans from over tightening. I don't think the wrap was what got me the injury. I just wanted to do everything by the book this time but if I keep having trouble with the theraband, I will go back to the self-adhesive bandage wrap on top.

My only concern is the self-adhesive bandage wrap is extremely thin compared to theraband. I like theraband's thickness, but I don't like it's rigidness and how slippery it is. I"m finding I have to wrap tight to keep it from slipping over my head at just 2.5lbs. Hopefully I'll get better at it.
 
15 min manual stretch session
Hanging 1 set (10 min) BTC in bib starter. 2.5lbs. Mainly just fucking around to figure out wrapping and hanger attachment etc.

No extending due to no [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] suction. Attempting to fix tomorrow.

SD piss pulls often throughout day.

Gym (Chest)

2 sets hanging BTC bib starter, 2.5 lbs. First set 10 min, second set 20 min. Trying to get wrapping and hanger attachment down. Will take a week at least before I really do any effective hanging.
15 min manual stretch session
 
Take your time to understand the wrapping process.
It might really seem like a pain in the ass. Lots of trying... and little result.
There is no shame in spending lots of time that you'll need for this. It is quite important.
But when you figure it out you'll have a solid foundation.
Don't give up on hanging!!!

How is BTC compared with SD? (I like BTC more, because I'm lazy :P and feel it better)
 
Thanks Cobra. Definitely not giving up on hanging. I see it as my only chance to gain any real length.

BTC gives a better stretch than SD for me. SD standing I would need much more weight than BTC seated. Although I like SD standing because I can play guitar while I'm doing a set, BTC I can't really do much, until I get used to the awkward angle. BTC is going to be my target angle until I stop gaining at that angle. Could very well take me well over a year.

RIght now I'm only using 2.5 lbs so I get used to the idea of hanging and attachment point conditioning. Soon I will start hanging for skin stretch, then move onto hanging for ligs with more weight.
 
MikeShlort;515470 said:
Thanks Cobra. Definitely not giving up on hanging. I see it as my only chance to gain any real length.

BTC gives a better stretch than SD for me. SD standing I would need much more weight than BTC seated. Although I like SD standing because I can play guitar while I'm doing a set, BTC I can't really do much, until I get used to the awkward angle. BTC is going to be my target angle until I stop gaining at that angle. Could very well take me well over a year.

RIght now I'm only using 2.5 lbs so I get used to the idea of hanging and attachment point conditioning. Soon I will start hanging for skin stretch, then move onto hanging for ligs with more weight.


Your are well informed as always!

I usually read something in BTC position.

Had some twisting issues before when hanging BTC. Followed cg1 advise on this and pulse pushed. There is always some twisting... but it dramatically improved.
 
Tahir Aqbar;515332 said:
As long as it's an ass crack.

I am happy someone got that....I did not mean crack I meant Ass Crack, specifically of The female persuasion:)
 
KingCobra;515471 said:
Your are well informed as always!

I usually read something in BTC position.

Had some twisting issues before when hanging BTC. Followed cg1 advise on this and pulse pushed. There is always some twisting... but it dramatically improved.

I am finding this a problem too, so I just rest my shaft between my left and right testicles and position the bottom of the hanger so that it is kept straight by my ass crack. I am sure this probably causes friction and lessens the force, but once I get to real weight, it won't make a difference.

Which hanger are you using? The regular bib?
 
Oct. 31:
[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]Newbie routine[/words] Kegel Exercise
Testicle Health Massage
15 min manual stretch session
1 set BTC hanging - 2.5 lbs - bib starter - 20 min
Piss pulls throughout day

Gym (Back) - Went light. Good workout and vein expansion.

10 min manual stretch session
2 BTC hanging - 2.5 lbs - bib starter - 20 min sets
5 min manual stretch
1 BTC hanging - 2.5 lbs - bib starter - 20 min
Jelqing for 5 min at end of last set - penis massage between sets

Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBGWXCpslrU
 
MikeShlort;515605 said:
I am finding this a problem too, so I just rest my shaft between my left and right testicles and position the bottom of the hanger so that it is kept straight by my ass crack. I am sure this probably causes friction and lessens the force, but once I get to real weight, it won't make a difference.

Which hanger are you using? The regular bib?

I'm using the BIB-starter.
 
Nov 1:

Kegel Exercise - 5 second reps
Testicle Health Massge
1 set BTC hanging - 2.5 lbs - 20 min - bib starter
15 min manual stretch session
3.5 hours [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] extending
Piss pulls throughout day
10 min manual stretch session
3 sets BTC hanging - 3 lbs - 20 min each set - bib starter
10 min manual stretch session + Scrotal stretches
1 set BTC hanging - 3 lbs - 20 min - bib starter

Track: See yesterday
 
Today someone walked into the public washroom while I was putting on my [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]. I failed at locking the door. I'm sure the guy saw my bare ass in the mirror, as I shut the door on him the second he opened it. Probably thought I was in the corner playing with myself. Pretty accurate. I think it was the manager of Pita Pit. We made eye contact after as I was leaving and getting in my car. I will probably start going there more often. No tips, though.
 
Nov 2:

Kegel Exercise - 5 sec reps
Testicle Health Massage
15 min manual stretch session
1 set BTC hanging - 15 min set - 3 lbs - bib starter
Piss pulls
40 min extending

Gym (arms)

10 min manual stretch session
2 sets BTC hanging - 20 min sets - 3.5 lbs and 4 lbs - bib starter
15 min manual stretch session + Scrotal stretches
2 sets BTC hanging for skin stretch (clamped near base) - 20 min sets - 4 lbs - bib original
15 min light jelqing after last hanging session

5 grams of powdered L-Arginine with water(last night as well)

Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDyHftGcDKg
 
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Something useful from a user here:

"Hmm, you shouldn't need that much PABA for work with DMSO since it's not really that soluble...

Well I posted earlier in this thread about how you could make a POTABA solution for Penis Enlargement on the cheap. I made a batch this summer which I've also been using and I'd like to share my experience.

The ingredients I used were 500 mg PABA capsules from NOW Foods, some reagent grade Potassium Hydroxide prills and some 99% DMSO. I started by adding 5 g of PABA from the capsules to 400 mL of distilled water. I brought the solution to a boil while stirring until all the PABA was dissolved. I then tested the pH of the solution with pH indicator strips and neutralized the solution to pH 7 by adding KOH prills one at a time. I decided to see how much I could supersaturate the solution by boiling it down. I managed to boil it down to about 50 mL before some POTABA crystals started to form inside the yellow-tinged solution. I let it cool down a bit and added it to 115 mL of DMSO to form a 70% solution. Some white waxy POTABA crystals formed as the solution cooled showing that it was supersaturated.

I've been keeping this solution for months into a cupboard and it hasn't shown any signs of degradation. It's been working well so far except I had to learn at first not to use too much or to try to massage it in too long or it'll irritate the skin...

Well, hopefully you guys will find this informative. "
 
Nov 3:

Kegel Exercise
Testicle Massage
15 min manual stretch session
2 sets BTC hanging for skin stretch - original bib - 4 lbs - first set: 10 min, second set: 20 min
Piss pulls
15 min manual stretch session + Scrotal stretches
4 sets BTC hanging for skin stretch - original bib - 4.5 lbsx3, last set 4 lbs - 20 min sets
10-15 min jelqing after session

5 grams powdered arginine before bed

I had great erections all night and fevered dreams about fucking an imaginary girl who would never even look at me in real life (slightly above average), although I had a small flaccid a good part of today. It looked like a 4 year old kids dick. So I pretty much was an asswipe to everyone today at work. Miserable fuck. I concluded that 6 sets of hanging at this point is too much. I will do 4-5 sets for the next week, then move up to 5-6 sets Monday, Nov. 12.
 
Nov 4:

Piss pulls
10 min manual stretch session + scrotal stretch
3 sets hanging skin stretch - bib original - 4.5 lbs - 20 min sets
2 sessions of 10 min jelqing

Arginine
 
Nov 5:

Kegel Exercise
Testicle Massage
15 min manual stretch
1 set BTC hanging for skin stretch - bib original - 20 min set - 4.5 lbs
Piss pulls
3.5 hours extending

Jerked off twice due to mental illness :/

4 sets hanging for skin stretch - 4.5lbs, 5lbsx2, 5.5lbs - 20 min sets - bib original

Took a shit on the second 15 min manual stretch session - couldn't bring myself to do it. Also took a shit on going to the gym. Mustn't do that again.
 
Nov 6:

Kegels
Ball massage
10 min manual stretch
2 sets skin hanging - 20 min sets - 5lbs, 5.5lbs [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] 3.5 hours

Jerked off 4 times in an hour span. OOPS.

4 sets skin hanging - 20 min sets - 5.5lbs, 6lbs, 6.5lbs, 7lbs
 
MikeShlort;516572 said:
Jerked off 4 times in an hour span. OOPS.

Did you get some stretching in right after orgasm?
 
Is it Narcissistic to get engorged when looking at yourself naked in a mirror?

Nov 7:

55km bike ride

Piss pulls
3 hours [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]
4 sets skin stretch BTC hanging - 20 min sets - 7lbsx1, 7.5lbsx3
Piss pull before bed SD to keep ligs from healing, since I've been missing my manual sessions the past 2 days.

Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCyAIDfGte4
 
MikeShlort;516726 said:
Is it Narcissistic to get engorged when looking at yourself naked in a mirror?

Nov 7:

55km bike ride

Piss pulls
3 hours [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]
4 sets skin stretch BTC hanging - 20 min sets - 7lbsx1, 7.5lbsx3
Piss pull before bed SD to keep ligs from healing, since I've been missing my manual sessions the past 2 days.

Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCyAIDfGte4

Seems like you've been a busy boy. You mix up your routines, I like that as you can't get bored like that.
 
Nov 8:

55km bike ride

Piss pulls
3-3.5 hours [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]
4 sets skin stretch hanging - 20 min sets - 7.5lbsx2, 8lbsx2
SD stretches in 3 directionsx2

Haven't jerked off in 2 days. Flaccid is getting nice and loose. Skin stretch is clearly apparent.

Track: (I, Robot) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm0YeFIVVzE
After having just watched the movie "Network", I can see where Ben Weasel got the inspiration for one of my favourite Weasel songs
 
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Nov 9:

Kegel Exercise - 5 sec
Testicle Massage
15 min manual stretch
2 sets skin stretch - 20 min sets - 8lbsx2

Gym (chest and back)

15 min manual stretch + scrotal stretches
4 sets skin stretch - 20 min sets - 8lbsx4
10 min jelq
 
MikeShlort;516982 said:
Nov 9:

Kegel Exercise - 5 sec
Testicle Massage
15 min manual stretch
2 sets skin stretch - 20 min sets - 8lbsx2

Gym (chest and back)

15 min manual stretch + scrotal stretches
4 sets skin stretch - 20 min sets - 8lbsx4
10 min jelq

How do you do a skin stretch with hanging? Unusual to work out chest and back at the same time, don't you feel insanely fatigued after that?
 
You make the hanger looser, so it's not grasping the internals, just the skin. Then you try to find the weight that will give you fatigue on the first or second set. I do 4-6 sets a day. You need to stretch the skin to make room for any gains you will get from pulling the internal penis out. The main reason for stretching the skin is so there is no tension on the skin, in other words the skin isn't taking away from the tension on the ligs, all the weight is being put on the ligs when the skin is stretched enough that it won't be tight and cause tension.

I don't lift very heavy so it's not a big deal. I'm doing it like this because I now only have 2 days a week to go to the gym, the other days I bike. So far so good, I feel kinda sore today but not too bad. I've been exercising at least 4-5 times per week for like 14 months now so I'm in pretty decent shape. I've heard a lot of guys working two muscle groups at once before. I chose chest and back because they are pretty much the reverse movements from eachother - doing a set of one then going to the other muscle group is okay because I won't be too sore from the previous. The only thing I noticed is my shoulders took a shit kicking, because they are the main joint being used as the fulcrum in all the exercises, so I was burned out by the end of it but I still got all my sets in and did they weight I would have done if I had just been working the one muscle group.
 
doublelongdaddy;517024 said:
Have you noticed an increase of foreskin?

No, I've only been doing it 6 days I think, I have two more to go. I have noticed looser skin though and my pubic hair line is a bit more up on my shaft. Bib says he "regrew" his foreskin from dedicated skin stretch hanging but you'd have to do it for months probably to get that much skin stretch. I mainly just notice when I do a SD stretch, I feel no tension on the skin.
 
I have always heard that it was good to work opposing muscle groups in the same day. I think the rationale is, that way you maintain a muscular balance and don't end up producing an imbalance that will end up effecting posture or whatever.
 
MartinGlad;517047 said:
MikeShlort how do you split up your "4-6 sets a day"? Do you do all at the same time and then later do jelqing or something?

Usually 2-3 in the morning then more at night. All the exercises I do are listed chronologically in this progress thread daily.
 
MartinGlad;517076 said:
I dont see any Jelqing in your routines, why? Seems liek you only do kegels,hanging and manuals.

Because I'm focusing on length until I reach my length goal, then I will work on girth. I usually do 10 min of jelqing at the end of my night time hanging session to restore flow. I also massage my penis and do sort of dry jelqs in between sets.

Also, my EQ is good and my nighttime erections are unrelenting as is, so I don't feel I need to do any separate jelqing sessions to help that. The first 6-8 months of doing Penis Enlargement I jelqed nearly every day for at least 15 minutes.
 
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hepcat;517190 said:
He claims it's sweat after a stretching session but I ain't buying it.:)

I already told you, if I were to post a picture of my load, it would be on the carcass of a battered white black-cock slut.
 
On a helpful note, I am going to post the content of two emails I sent to two different users to try to help them out. I believe the content will be helpful for anyone looking for lots of beginner information all in one place. Not to say all the info is about beginner exercises, much of it is about advanced and risky techniques, it's just summed up nicely for anyone who is new to Penis Enlargement to start with.

PM 1: My Theory of Penis Enlargement - Applications, Techniques, Ideology, Order of Operations:

"There are many ways to get a big penis, some aren't advertised on this forum. It all depends how bad you want it. I spent the last year learning about Penis Enlargement and I will tell you pretty much everything I know, all the resources I have that took me a year of digging.

This will be overwhelming amount of information at first, but at your own pace, use the resources I give you to learn on your own. Read, read, read. Ask questions.

I will give you the basics:

First off, work your length. You don't want to gain too much girth before you gain your length because that makes it tougher to deform the tunica. Also can have adverse effects working girth while you try to hang. This means save pumping until you have close to your desired length, or until you can't wait any longer to get more girth. YOu can still gain length with added girth and many gain length while working girth, it's just harder and hangers frown upon it.

Start off with a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words]. 1-3 15 minute sets a day. Start off with one 15 minute set per day of manual stretching. Pull lightly, not hard at first. Gradually, build up force and/or length of time doing the stretch. Do this routine until you stop seeing gains from it. You can find a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] here or at other forums. Jelqing is good too. You will notice much better erections first before anything else.

After 1-2 months of the basic routine, start adding more manual exercises, see which ones work for you. There are many here.

I'm thinking the logical place to go after your manual exercises have dried up, after you have maxed out your "newbie gains" (give it a solid 4 months before advancing, until you haven't gained with a month of work) would be getting into hanging.
http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/index.php
That's the hanging site. Read everything. Ask questions. The maker of the device and owner of the forum answers questions daily. He'll even look at pictures of your penis and tell you roughly how much length you can gain.
Basically with hanging, you hang straight down and BTC (between the cheeks) until you max out your ligament gains, then start hanging at higher angles (over the shoulder, over the leg) to stretch the tunica. Bib will tel you everything you need to know and it's all there at his forum. There is a lot of good hanging stuff here too. The user malehanger at pegym is pretty knowledgeable.

After you have maxed out your hanging gains (this could be anywhere from 1-3 years), you can start pumping. This will give you girth and could give you a bit extra length. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] forum has a discount on a good water pump(https://Bathmatecheckout.com/ca/ord...tr=103c12fa635aff48a5ceaaf4906045&frontpage=0). I've gained permanent girth from just 2 months using this device. You'll want to get into looking at all kinds of pumps. Here's another link that will be very helpful for pumping: http://vacuumpumpingguide.blogspot.ca/?zx=e1498ce9cd56bc00

There's even chemical ways of Penis Enlargement. Here's a thread that will tell you a lot of things to do with chemical Penis Enlargement. I advise reading through this guy's entire thread, because it is full of very good Penis Enlargement information, along with some things you may not want to know about women, but need to know to become a balanced man. Here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...nd-brand-new-gains-with-pics-and-comparisons)


I take PGE1 injections. I think they are the future of Penis Enlargement. My new routine will be nothing but hanging, jelqing, stretching and PGE1 injections. My routine thread is here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?67630-Mike-Shlort-s-Journey-To-Becoming-A-Real-Man

Here are two very crucial links on PGE1:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7671091.html
http://www.chempe.com/2010/04/injections.html?zx=a425f320f82e2b5d

Here is a link to buy PGE1 online. It is used for erectile dysfunction patients, especially in me with ED resulting from prostate cancer. Here's the link (keep this secret): http://ergopep.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=46&products_id=179

Here's a video of me injecting and explaining how to inject PGE1 properly: http://www.xtube.com/watch.php?v=gcFy2-S569- Pin: 1337

A couple things I forgot to mention in the video:

1. I warm up before the dose, as PGE1 is an exercise like anything else.
2. When you go to push the plunger down, there should be no resistance other than the resistance of the syringe plunger itself. If there is any added resistance, that means you are not in the CC, you are in the skin. If you inject in the skin, it will bubble up and could be painful and will not be effective.
3. If you do an injection and it's a miss (you don't get a response) DO NOT do another injection. Wait until your next injection. Ask Petersouth, you will over dose and risk priapism.
4. I was told don't exceed 3 times a week, but you can do it how you please.
5. Anything over a 5 hour erection, you are in danger of a priapism and could lose your dick. Be careful.

There is a lot more information needed on PGE1 and safety procedures. You will have to look for these as I don't have a link. The main things: Any erection over 5 hours and you are in danger zone. Sudafed will bring the erections down, as will doing strenuous activity like running up stairs to get your heart rate up very rapidly. All else fails, you need a trip to the emergency room. I'll leave that up to you to find out the risks and safety procedures of PGE1 injections. Basically start with a small dose and work your way up to a dose that makes you hard for desired amount of time (2-5 hours) and you'll be fine. Like anyhting else, start slow, gradually add more time.

Here's another thread of someone taking the injections with great results: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?67395-Peter-South-s-PGE1-(caverject)-Experiment

Other devices you may want to look into are [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] (can get a good deal on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] forum). Other than that, I just use an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], a hanger, PGE1 injections, and I own the 2 sizes of [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] pumps.

Alternatives to [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] are divocups and divosuits (google them). Made by the same guy who has the chempe blog.

There is so much for you to learn about Penis Enlargement, that is up to you. It is all out there for you to easily find. This stuff that I am giving you, not many know about all this. This is my year's worth of Penis Enlargement work. It's not very detailed in this message, but all the resources are there. It's up to you to read it all and learn it and learn how to apply it. What I am giving you will make you capable of creating a penis that is large like the man you speak of in your post. Who cares about his wife bragging she can barely fit her mouth around it? That means he has large girth. Girth is easy to gain. Pumping, clamping, PGE1. You will be a monster.

Oh yeah. Andractim is used to treat micropenis. It is a topical DHT (testosterone) gel that you apply to your penis. Here is where to buy it: http://allsaintsclinic.org/testosterone-gel.shtml
Here's a link to a study done using it for enlargement: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/puBathmateed/8326617?dopt=Abstract
If you want to know more, you can google about it, search the threads here about it and the doses. Also, kingsnake at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] (I gave you the link to his thread earlier in this message) can tell you more about it. Or Ronielle (the chempe guy who does the injections - he charges people to get advice from him about PGE1 and other chempe methods and sources to buy) you can talk to him.

I am sure I am leaving out so much information but these links are the most important parts. You can always message me on here and ask specific questions - I will find you an answer, I have the resources. I feel for you. A big penis is really what women want, and it's up to us to get one to compete.

Lots of people on here will shoot down my approaches and bad mouth be because of my ways, but it's your call whether to listen to them. The information at pegym forums is very good, but they have closed minds to a lot of different ways to go about Penis Enlargement. There is risk involved like anything else, but if you want it bad enough, you will take it.

I want it bad enough, and I guarantee you that I felt as bad, if not worse, about myself and my penis than you do right now. That drove me to find all this stuff.

Good luck. Ask me anything you need to. Everything you need to grow is all here. It's up to you to learn it, perfect it and apply it. I will always be here to help you, as will everyone at bib's hanging forum and the good people at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. We love helping each other reach our goals."

PM 2: My Advice to a Pumping Skeptic

"I got fluid bad buildup when I went over board. If you do a gradual routine where you pump to a reasonable level for a reasonable amount of time and only progress in force and time in tiny increments, you will not get much or any fluid buildup. Also, jelqing in between pumping sets makes it so you have no fluid buildup - however, your expansion is not as great as if you were to just do straight sets. You'd have to do more sets to get more expansion, but as long as you're keeping at it daily, then you'll be fine. Eventually, you'll want to add a second, then a third session of pumping/jelqing in daily.

I temporarily quit girth work to focus on length, but I know when I get back into it, it will be lots of work to get to my goal girth size. I have a theory that taking breaks while working girth is a good idea, not length though. I have not tested this theory yet but it is based on the fact that I could not exceed 5.85" girth (not pumped measurement) even after a gainless month. But I still have that size. So my theory is that if I were to start pumping again, I would again gain a small amount (0.3" or so) and then plateau. So I would have to wait to start pumping again.

The theory is like bodybuilding. You train for months and you hit a plateau; your body is only going to get so big. Then once you stop working out, say you don't work out for 6 months, you are still 10-20 lbs heavier than before you started working out. This is now your base weight. So when you go back to working out, you will reach a new bigger size, since your base weight is now larger than before. The idea is that you can gain a certain amount of size past your base weight before you plateau, but if your base weight goes up in size, then you should be able to exceed your maximum from before. Exact same idea with pumping. This is how my body works, may not be the case for you.

You really have to try it out for yourself, be conservative but dedicated, and go slowly. If you're just going to mindlessly pump away with no theory of internal corpus cavernosum/spongiosum expansion and try to fill the tube then you will get buildup. But in my case, even when I did that, I still gained.

However, I had bad fluid buildup on my foreskin, which hurt and fucked up my next day's session. So I got to a point where I wanted to get in the maximum amount of work without causing any foreskin fluid buildup. A lot of the problem was that the pump I was using and the shape of my penis. I was sucked into the plastic, which is good because it causes better expansion (and is good for length gains as well - I never had any but many report it) but bad because the way me penis is shaped, my foreskin is going to be the part that is getting sucked to the top of the tube, thus causing bad fluid buildup.

Another thing you want to watch out for is your penis getting squeezed at a certain point, causing the circulation to the skin cut off. I had bad discoloration because of it, which is still there but has faded significantly. There is also permanent marks on the underside of my shaft. The problem was the pump I was using (Bathmate [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] original) would suck in the most at the bottom, around the girthiest part of my shaft - the base. So this caused the circulation to be cut off and the skin discolored. It's called "The Rings Of Death". This can be avoided by using a pumping sleeve. I think they solved this problem with the new model of [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. I did not really care about the cosmetic appearance of my penis - I was concerned with size.

I think pumping is a great tool. You just need to do it properly. Use a pump until you outgrow it and it becomes painful or causes any discoloration. I own the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] as well, which is a hell of a lot bigger. I found it gave a good pump with less fluid buildup and major base girth gains, the opposite of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words]. The expansion was less than the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] but that is just physics - the closer you are sucked into the sides of the pump, the better the suction. There was a large learning curve for the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words].

When I get back into pumping, I am going to buy several cylinder sizes - some for pumping for length, some for girth, some large for base girth etc.

Here are the two routines I used to get my permanent girth gains. They are quite basic and incorporate basic Penis Enlargement principles. Here is the link: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-devices-forum/46379-mikeshlort-pumping-routine.html

Here is another link on pumping which I believe is probably very good information for advanced pumping. I have not personally practiced any of the techniques outlined in this guide but I plan to once I return to pumping again. I found the link while browsing one day and saved it for when I pump again: http://vacuumpumpingguide.blogspot.ca/?zx=687ce52b1759bafb
The pictures on this site show a ton of guys pumping excessively and getting fluid buildup but judging by the size of their cocks, it seems to be working for them.

Here's a link to an exercise for head girth: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...s-Vacuum-Constricted-Boa-s-for-BIG-HEAD-Gains!!

Here is a good thread showing a guy who has pumped for 15 years with amazing EQ and minimal fluid buildup: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?13527-Pumping-Results

Hope all this helps. If you have any questions, ask me. Good luck."
 
Nov 10:

15 min manual stretch
3 sets skin stretch hanging - 20 min sets - 8lbs
Piss pulls

Gym (arms and shoulders) Killed it

15 min manual stretch session
4 sets skin stretch hanging - 20 min sets - 8lbs
10 min jelqing

Nov 11:

Piss pulls
15 min manual stretch session
4 sets skin stretch hanging - 20 min sets - 8 lbs
10 min jelqing/edging

My skin is noticeably stretched. I did 9 days of skin stretch hanging. It's time to hang for lig stretch, starting tomorrow. I am excited. Everything is ready. Skin will not be a factor, taking an tension away from ligs. Yay.
 
Nov 12:

15 min manual stretch
1 set bib starter BTC - 20 min - 4lbs
Piss Pulls

55km bike

15 min manual stretch
3 sets bib starter BTC - 4lbs - 20 min sets

Shitty hanging sessions. Gotta find the sweet spot and how to attach properly again, going off bib starter for 9 days has affected things. Must work back up. Blah Blah Blah. I farted.
 
Dude for the first week I was hanging my hanger would not stay on straight. My dick would always turn to one side. So I quit messing with it and just let is stretch out on the crooked direction and in a few days my ligs lengthened out to where they were even with each other. If you have slight curve on any side of your dick, that could make your hanging seem unbalanced. I have a curve on the left side and some times I get more tension there when I hang but whenever I test out my eq, my erect penis shows much less of that curve. From my short experience, just going with the shitty hanging is better than no hanging. As long as your head isn't getting discolored. It's like lifting weights. You can do one rep perfectly and fuck up the next 9, but as long as you're not messing around with weights that are too heavy for you, you're going to get the feel for it and pretty soon all your reps will be perfect. It's all just practice.

DISCLAIMER: Don't listen to anything I say. I'm a dumb ass.
 
Ya it's a pain in the ass. Fortunately, Bib is a good guy and he is more than willing to help me out. I'll figure it out eventually and be on my way to hopefully lengthening my ligs.


EDIT: Nov 12 - Did 3.5 hours of [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]

Nov 13:

10 min manual stretch
1 set bib starter BTC - 20 min - 4 lbs

55km bike

Piss pulls
15 min manual stretch
4 sets bib starter BTC - 20 min sets - 4.5 lbs
 
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