Mike Shlort's Journey To Becoming A Real Man
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Right on, thanks a lot DLD. I'm hoping my approach gives me real visible gains in time so one day I can tell other guys exactly what worked for me and what didn't, save them the time of figuring it out themselves. It's a good coincidence that a couple people here started the PGE1 doses around the time I found out about them, so when I go back to them, there will be lots of data and proof here about the protocol. I feel more confident each day that I will one day have an ideal penis size because of all the different methods and people sharing their knowledge with the community. A little over a year ago I figured there was no way to do it without being a millionaire and having pull with people in the medical/scientific community but I'm glad to see so many people successfully doing it themselves.
15 min manual stretch session
Testicle massage
8-10 hours extending
Piss pulls and DLD blasters throughout the day
15 min manual stretch session
Scrotal stretches
More extending
More piss pulls
Testicle massage
8-10 hours extending
Piss pulls and DLD blasters throughout the day
15 min manual stretch session
Scrotal stretches
More extending
More piss pulls
Well, I want to fuck dirty cock sluts again. I'd even fuck filthy Asian broads, Spanish whores, Black cum dumpsters, Indian flesh bags, and even dirty white trash tattooed black cock sluts with fake finger nails, bleached highlights and facial piercings. Just to smash my balls into their gelatinous ass cheeks then promptly discard them. Hopefully this desire goes away soon enough. Must be from the lack of masturbation, the increased size of my testicles, flaccid and erect penis, and my ability to get a 100% hard on throughout the day with no regard. I also do not care about the size of my unit - I do not wish to please these creatures of three inputs. I wish to fulfill my carnal desires swiftly, then retreat into the night to scour the town for eightballs and large pieces of glass to throw through windows. It is a good time for Mike Shlort. Definitely on the path to becoming the perfect asshole. That's what I should have named this thread.
The Penis Enlargement community has been good to me. I thank everyone who takes the time to contribute this priceless information. I am venturing into hanging, the next phase of my journey. I have read pages of information on hanging, as well as gotten private messages and public posts on the topic. Just as I have shared all of my acquired PGE1 resources and links, I am going to be compiling all the data I have read/received about hanging and post it in one organized, convenient post on my thread so the next Mike Shlort does not have to go far to find all the data he needs to get started on hanging.
People of the Penis Enlargement community are my allies and I am happy you help me and read my posts/suggestions. To anyone else: Suck my 7 inch white cock. Swallow.
Today:
15 min manual stretch
8-10 hours [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]
SD pulls (30sec-1 min) + DLD blasters scattered throughout the day like shit turds in my ocular
15 min manual stretch
Scrotal stretches
Measured BPFSL again, this time before a manual session, about 15 min after extending. I was in the jelly state, that max stretch state. I was close to 9", we'll say 8.85". I also measured my NBPenis EnlargementL while STANDING the other day (watching adult entertainment) and I was 7 inches at least. I'm happy with that measure at this point.
I've cut out the PGE1 injections because I am going to start hanging very soon and they also make me shorter, fatter and stiffer, as opposed to long and pliable. I will use them here and there, maybe once a week. Or I will resume if I see fit.
Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03v7GjtR-Ao
The Penis Enlargement community has been good to me. I thank everyone who takes the time to contribute this priceless information. I am venturing into hanging, the next phase of my journey. I have read pages of information on hanging, as well as gotten private messages and public posts on the topic. Just as I have shared all of my acquired PGE1 resources and links, I am going to be compiling all the data I have read/received about hanging and post it in one organized, convenient post on my thread so the next Mike Shlort does not have to go far to find all the data he needs to get started on hanging.
People of the Penis Enlargement community are my allies and I am happy you help me and read my posts/suggestions. To anyone else: Suck my 7 inch white cock. Swallow.
Today:
15 min manual stretch
8-10 hours [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]
SD pulls (30sec-1 min) + DLD blasters scattered throughout the day like shit turds in my ocular
15 min manual stretch
Scrotal stretches
Measured BPFSL again, this time before a manual session, about 15 min after extending. I was in the jelly state, that max stretch state. I was close to 9", we'll say 8.85". I also measured my NBPenis EnlargementL while STANDING the other day (watching adult entertainment) and I was 7 inches at least. I'm happy with that measure at this point.
I've cut out the PGE1 injections because I am going to start hanging very soon and they also make me shorter, fatter and stiffer, as opposed to long and pliable. I will use them here and there, maybe once a week. Or I will resume if I see fit.
Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03v7GjtR-Ao
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Okay. I've decided to venture into hanging, temporarily leaving behind my PGE1 protocol. I have already left girth work behind (pumping with [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]) in late April. The girth pumping routine, which got me from 5.5" MSEG to 5.75"-5.85" MSEG (which I still have) can be found on page 1 of this thread.
I subscribe to the length before girth theory. In retrospect, I wish I had not pumped any, because I likely have made my tunica stronger, which will make it harder to deform when I hang for tunica gains. But I did not know this information at the time I was pumping.
I wrote a thread about my visit to a doctor who specializes in Penis Enlargement and there was much mention of pumping/girth work causing fibrosis (making the ligaments and tunica tougher) and it was after this that I abandoned pumping. You can read that thread here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?66865-IMPORTANT-Everyone-Should-Read-This!!
(This link also gives information on using Verapamil to combat/prevent fibrosis, among much other useful information. You'd be wise to read all posts of these threads I link as well. There is information everywhere.)
At the time, I thought it was cutting edge information, but now I realize it's been commonly known for over a decade. Some people choose to ignore it and still make gains. Power to them. I can't gain length, so I don't need anything that could possibly hinder my length gains to be part of my routine.
Since I believe in this theory, the natural progression is going from manual stretching (until gains are plateaued) to hanging. I've been doing daily Penis Enlargement for 13 months now, it's time to change something drastic.
Up until now, I have mainly stuck with manual stretching (stretching in all directions and DLD blasters), jelqing, extending, pumping (for 2.5 months - now discontinued), kegeling, testicle massages, scrotal stretching, edging, as well as applying Verapamil 3 times daily to the top of my shaft, along the dorsal ligament. I tried hanging for 2 weeks, but due to ignorance on my part, I tightened the hanger too tightly and became injured - the head of my penis was tingly and numb for nearly a month. So I read up on it, and in this post I will link all my resources and all the information I have received.
Initially, what got me into the idea of hanging was a user by the name of cg1. I wrote a thread about possible reasons why some men may not be gaining (Here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?67354-Why-Some-Men-Don-t-Gain-A-MikeShlort-Theory). Basically, the thesis that masturbation and edging could be affecting gains for some men.
In a post on that thread, I went into detail about my routine and the use cg1 suggested that it is time I consider hanging. I asked him many questions and he was kind enough to answer them in detail. All of that can be found here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...Some-Men-Don-t-Gain-A-MikeShlort-Theory/page3
I subscribe to the length before girth theory. In retrospect, I wish I had not pumped any, because I likely have made my tunica stronger, which will make it harder to deform when I hang for tunica gains. But I did not know this information at the time I was pumping.
I wrote a thread about my visit to a doctor who specializes in Penis Enlargement and there was much mention of pumping/girth work causing fibrosis (making the ligaments and tunica tougher) and it was after this that I abandoned pumping. You can read that thread here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?66865-IMPORTANT-Everyone-Should-Read-This!!
(This link also gives information on using Verapamil to combat/prevent fibrosis, among much other useful information. You'd be wise to read all posts of these threads I link as well. There is information everywhere.)
At the time, I thought it was cutting edge information, but now I realize it's been commonly known for over a decade. Some people choose to ignore it and still make gains. Power to them. I can't gain length, so I don't need anything that could possibly hinder my length gains to be part of my routine.
Since I believe in this theory, the natural progression is going from manual stretching (until gains are plateaued) to hanging. I've been doing daily Penis Enlargement for 13 months now, it's time to change something drastic.
Up until now, I have mainly stuck with manual stretching (stretching in all directions and DLD blasters), jelqing, extending, pumping (for 2.5 months - now discontinued), kegeling, testicle massages, scrotal stretching, edging, as well as applying Verapamil 3 times daily to the top of my shaft, along the dorsal ligament. I tried hanging for 2 weeks, but due to ignorance on my part, I tightened the hanger too tightly and became injured - the head of my penis was tingly and numb for nearly a month. So I read up on it, and in this post I will link all my resources and all the information I have received.
Initially, what got me into the idea of hanging was a user by the name of cg1. I wrote a thread about possible reasons why some men may not be gaining (Here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?67354-Why-Some-Men-Don-t-Gain-A-MikeShlort-Theory). Basically, the thesis that masturbation and edging could be affecting gains for some men.
In a post on that thread, I went into detail about my routine and the use cg1 suggested that it is time I consider hanging. I asked him many questions and he was kind enough to answer them in detail. All of that can be found here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...Some-Men-Don-t-Gain-A-MikeShlort-Theory/page3
I accidentally hit post and since you only have 10 minutes to edit, I will have to break my article up into 2 posts.... pain in the ass.
Anyways, I rushed into hanging after this information was given to me, but in my haste, I failed to ask enough questions to the right person: Bib. Since then, I have made sure to ask him plenty of questions about hanging and Penis Enlargement. Here is a link to my thread at Bib's Forum, where I ask Bib a million stupid questions (some good ones) and he is kind enough to answer them all: http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1780
After my injury, I continued on with a PGE1 protocol (From June 31 until now) based length routine that consisted of manual stretch sessions twice a day, random SD stretches 6 times per day (lasting 30sec-2 min) along with some DLD blasters, and extending all that I could. That is basically the routine I am on this moment.
I find that it has really gotten my flaccid loose and primed to start hanging. My ligs are stretched and ready to go. When I pull out, you I can see my ligs on the sides of my penis and my base gets smaller, because there is inner penis being pulled out. However, if I don't do any Penis Enlargement for a couple days, this goes away, my base is thick again and it takes a few days of dedicated to this routine to get it back to the state I am in now. It's basically like the hanging theory: NEVER LET YOUR LIGS REST! Ride the fatigue. I have fatigue when I manual stretch, so I know I am doing it right.
I gave Bib some "mirror test shots", where I stand in front of a mirror, take 3 pictures of my flaccid unit at groin level. One straight on, two from the diagonals. This is called the Mirror Test, one of the three tests for determining possible gains from lig hanging. The link for the thread explaining the three tests is here: http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=131
There is also a Loss Of Tug theory, one of the three tests. This basically determines how long your ligs are already and how much potential you have for gaining lig stretch. You stand straight with your penis pulled out in front of you. Pretend it is the hand on a clock (the hour hand - although hopefully your penis resembles the minute hand more than it does the hour hand
). 12 o'clock is pointing up, 9 o'clock is pointing out, 6 o'clock is pointing down. You pull out and start Kegeling as you slowing move from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock. You notice how your penis pulls back and your glans is pulled into your body. You are always looking at your glans to see when it starts pulling back less. As soon as you notice your glans start to move back towards your body less, you note at what spot you are at and this is your Loss Of Tug, because you are starting to lose tugback. My LOT is between 7 and 8. Here is a link describing the test in detail: http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20
So I have a somewhat low LOT but Bib determined that my skin exit point is medium high to high, through my Mirror Test shots. He says that the Mirror Test shots give a better indication of possible lig gains than LOT theory, so if you have a low LOT but a high skin exit point, you can still possibly gain from lig stretch. The palpitation test is the most accurate of tests, but I am unable to determine the bottom of my pubic bone. All I know is I feel lots of internal penis. How much can be brought out? I don't know.
I suggest anyone that is thinking of hanging sign up at Bib's forum and ask him to check out your mirror test shots. But make sure before you start harassing him and asking him a million questions like I did, read this post (and the last) first as well as all the links I have provided.
Bib stated that I may have "a couple inches of internal penis that can be pulled out and down". This is good news to me. He tells me this in my thread on Bib's Forum (link provided at top of this post).
So since I had injured myself and I am ready to get back on the horse, I had some reading to do. I printed them off and read them on paper, hate reading on a computer. I keep all my important Penis Enlargement info in a Duo-Tang. Dr Adam's patent is in there.
Here are the resources I read on hanging, in this order:
Length Before Girth: http://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theory-science-forum/16295-length-first-girth-second.html
Hanging 101: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-devices-forum/16072-hanging-101-a.html
Bib Hanger Product Guide: http://www.bibhanger.com/product_guide.htm
Bib Hanger FAQs: http://www.bibhanger.com/faq.htm
Blink2000s Hanging Tips: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-devices-forum/16506-blink2000s-hanging-tips.html
(Bib Forum link to Blink2000s Hanging Tips: http://bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=899
Choosing Angle of Attack: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...choosing-your-angle-target-right-anatomy.html
Maximizing Ligament Stretch Gains and LOT Theory: http://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...mizing-ligament-stretch-gains-lot-theory.html
Tips and Turkey Neck: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...eight-hanging-technique-tips-turkey-neck.html
Bib's Turkey Neck Correction: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-devices-forum/17087-bibs-turkeyneck-correcting-wrap.html
Fulcrum Hanging: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...-device-rice-sock-duct-tape-fulcrum-rsdt.html
Managing Fatigue: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-devices-forum/46143-hanging-what-fatigue.html
I also received information through PMs from a hanger that I would like to share here because it was very useful to me:
>What are your thoughts on rest days?<
Rest days are definitely not good. When you take days off, your body heals, making it more difficult to gain. With every set, every workout, you are creating micro damage. Over time, your penis will get longer and longer. It is a very slow process that requires consistency and dedication. But if you take days off, this micro damage will actually heal a lot quicker than it took for you to achieve it. When the body undergoes damage, like a cut or a bruise, etc, it immediately tries to repair itself as fast as possible. This is why it is extremely important to attack your target tissues every damn day, to pull out any micro tears from previous Penis Enlargement work that are trying to heal. If you do this, gains will come quicker ... obviously. If you take rest days, the growth process will be much, much slower.
Also, if you're hanging with a Bib, you have to condition your soft tissues for the amount of weight you wish to hang. This will take some time. If you take days off, you will lose that soft tissue conditioning, and will have to decrease the stress and work your way back up again.
>Did you use rest days for your gaining, and how were they utilized?<
I do not take any rest days. However, on some days I just do not have the time to hang all of my sets. This doesn't happen to me often, but it does happen. In that case, I do the best I can. If I only have time to hang 3 sets, then that's what I'll do. The point is to pull out the adhesions from previous work, so that those micro tears DO NOT HEAL. That is key. Even one set of 20 minutes of your max weight will do the job.
>What is an example of a good hanging routine?<
Every mans geometry is different. If you have a low exit point and long ligs, then your routine would consist of hanging at the upper angles, mainly RSDT, SO, OTS and OTL. But I would estimate that 95% of guys do not have a very low exit point, meaning that they have potential for gains from lig stretch. If you do not have an LOT of 6, then you would hang at the lower angles, SD, UTL, and especially BTC. To increase stress levels while hanging BTC, you may swing the weight from side to side, which stresses the lateral susp ligs as well, or do lower ab crunches.
Basically, you need ten hours of actual hang time per week in order to make significant gains. That is 4-5 sets of 20 minutes per day. If you feel you can do more than that, then great. The more hours you put into hanging, the better the results. Ten hours per week is the minimum though.
For more information go to http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/. Click on the "basics" section. There you will find everything you need to know. Also, Bib himself answers questions there. He's the best there is when it comes to hanging and anatomy.
>When do I know i need to up the weight? When it stops being sore the next day?<
That information is in the "basics" section of the Bib forum under "managing fatigue". Read, read, read, READ. The Bib forum is the real deal.
>Do you believe it is beneficial to hang when you are sore or do you think it is best to hang when you are feeling rested and in that "jelly state", where you have a stretchy flaccid and can get a good EQ easily?<
Again, all of this is addressed in the "managing fatigue" thread. Basically, being sore is a good thing, because it means you have created deformation. As I said above, you must hang every single day, sore or not. If you are too sore to hang your max weight, then just reduce the weight to a level that you can tolerate, and hang all of your sets. Be consistent!
>Once all my gains are made from hanging downwards, is that the time to start hanging in the straight out and straight up positions?<
Yes. Once you have fully stretched out your ligs (have an LOT of 6), then you can benefit from upper angle work, which will stress the ENTIRE tunica, inner and outer. But you must stretch out your ligs first, otherwise you'll be trying to deform the ligs AND the tunica at the same time and getting nowhere. One of the most important techniques taught at the Bib forum is dividing and conquering the target tissues: once you have gained all the length you can by fully stretching out your ligs, your next target will be the entire tunica ... and since the ligs are out of the way, tunica gains will be much easier to achieve. It is a much smarter and more productive way of Penis Enlargement'ing. More "scientific", if you will.
>Sorry about all the questions, I just want to get an idea of the theory behind this, as I can't seem to figure out how to gain with all my efforts.<
You do not need to apologize. I do not mind answering your questions and helping you. If you have any more questions for me about hanging, you can always send me a PM. But I strongly advise you to go to the Bib forum and read everything in the basics section first, and then read the posts, etc, so that you can understand what they're talking about. Also, read about the "three tests". If you want, you can ask Bib himself any question about hanging. His advice is gold. He is the real guru.
>I actually bought a bib hanger, I am wearing it right now. There seems to be a hell of a learning curve... I'm pretty sure I have it on incorretly, as I feel some skin stretch and not as much lig stretch as I would with manuals.<
Either your skin is very tight, and you have to do dedicated skin stretch for a week, or you attached too far back, which puts more stress on your skin than your ligs. Make sure you are attaching the hanger 1.5 inches from the coronal ridge, and pulse pushing until hanger forms the shoulders of the glans. Do not attach further back than 1.5 inches, unless you want to stretch skin. If your wrap and attachment point are correct, and you still feel the majority of the stress on the skin, then it means you focus on stretching skin for a while. Perhaps 1-2 weeks. To stretch skin, attach the hanger 2 inches from the coronal ridge and do not tighten down as much. The key is to get the hanger to rest on the shoulders, with a greater pull on the skin. So if you're stretching skin, do not go crazy on the tightening ... just enough to keep it from slipping. Then, in a week or so, attach at the normal attachment point, and all of the should be placed on the ligs.
>I bought the original model. It seems very big. I am concerned that I bought a too big model. There seems to only be like 2.5-3 inches of flaccid penis exposed that is being pulled and the rest is in the hanger. Since I want to create tears in the tunica, would it not be best to have most of the penis exposed and less of it in the hanger?<
The part of the penis which is between the hanger is being stressed. The entire shaft is being stressed. I do not know how big you are, but if you're over 6 inches erect, then you should be able to hang comfortably with the Original, according to what I've read. I have never used the Original. I use the Hardcore model.
> I got the original because they said it could hang the most weight, but now that I have it on I see that I may have wanted the smaller model.<
If you feel it is too big for you, then get the Starter model. It is smaller, easier to work with, and easier to learn to use. Once you get the hang of it, it's second nature. And, it can handle up to 60 lbs. I doubt you'll need more than that, lol.
>Also, how tight should I have the thing? Seems to still be moving with the skin, but I don't want to hurt myself. Someone said as tight as possible so that it does not move at all. Is this true?<
Yes, the hanger should be very tight. Or tight enough for the amount of weight you wish to hang, so that the hanger does not slip towards the glans, and cause discomfort, edema, and excess blood in the head. As you move up in weight, you will have to tighten more and more, to prevent the hanger from slipping and causing problems. This is all part of the soft tissue conditioning process.
> Length is a bitch..<
I feel ya.
Anyways, I rushed into hanging after this information was given to me, but in my haste, I failed to ask enough questions to the right person: Bib. Since then, I have made sure to ask him plenty of questions about hanging and Penis Enlargement. Here is a link to my thread at Bib's Forum, where I ask Bib a million stupid questions (some good ones) and he is kind enough to answer them all: http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1780
After my injury, I continued on with a PGE1 protocol (From June 31 until now) based length routine that consisted of manual stretch sessions twice a day, random SD stretches 6 times per day (lasting 30sec-2 min) along with some DLD blasters, and extending all that I could. That is basically the routine I am on this moment.
I find that it has really gotten my flaccid loose and primed to start hanging. My ligs are stretched and ready to go. When I pull out, you I can see my ligs on the sides of my penis and my base gets smaller, because there is inner penis being pulled out. However, if I don't do any Penis Enlargement for a couple days, this goes away, my base is thick again and it takes a few days of dedicated to this routine to get it back to the state I am in now. It's basically like the hanging theory: NEVER LET YOUR LIGS REST! Ride the fatigue. I have fatigue when I manual stretch, so I know I am doing it right.
I gave Bib some "mirror test shots", where I stand in front of a mirror, take 3 pictures of my flaccid unit at groin level. One straight on, two from the diagonals. This is called the Mirror Test, one of the three tests for determining possible gains from lig hanging. The link for the thread explaining the three tests is here: http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=131
There is also a Loss Of Tug theory, one of the three tests. This basically determines how long your ligs are already and how much potential you have for gaining lig stretch. You stand straight with your penis pulled out in front of you. Pretend it is the hand on a clock (the hour hand - although hopefully your penis resembles the minute hand more than it does the hour hand
). 12 o'clock is pointing up, 9 o'clock is pointing out, 6 o'clock is pointing down. You pull out and start Kegeling as you slowing move from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock. You notice how your penis pulls back and your glans is pulled into your body. You are always looking at your glans to see when it starts pulling back less. As soon as you notice your glans start to move back towards your body less, you note at what spot you are at and this is your Loss Of Tug, because you are starting to lose tugback. My LOT is between 7 and 8. Here is a link describing the test in detail: http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20So I have a somewhat low LOT but Bib determined that my skin exit point is medium high to high, through my Mirror Test shots. He says that the Mirror Test shots give a better indication of possible lig gains than LOT theory, so if you have a low LOT but a high skin exit point, you can still possibly gain from lig stretch. The palpitation test is the most accurate of tests, but I am unable to determine the bottom of my pubic bone. All I know is I feel lots of internal penis. How much can be brought out? I don't know.
I suggest anyone that is thinking of hanging sign up at Bib's forum and ask him to check out your mirror test shots. But make sure before you start harassing him and asking him a million questions like I did, read this post (and the last) first as well as all the links I have provided.
Bib stated that I may have "a couple inches of internal penis that can be pulled out and down". This is good news to me. He tells me this in my thread on Bib's Forum (link provided at top of this post).
So since I had injured myself and I am ready to get back on the horse, I had some reading to do. I printed them off and read them on paper, hate reading on a computer. I keep all my important Penis Enlargement info in a Duo-Tang. Dr Adam's patent is in there.
Here are the resources I read on hanging, in this order:
Length Before Girth: http://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theory-science-forum/16295-length-first-girth-second.html
Hanging 101: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-devices-forum/16072-hanging-101-a.html
Bib Hanger Product Guide: http://www.bibhanger.com/product_guide.htm
Bib Hanger FAQs: http://www.bibhanger.com/faq.htm
Blink2000s Hanging Tips: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-devices-forum/16506-blink2000s-hanging-tips.html
(Bib Forum link to Blink2000s Hanging Tips: http://bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=899
Choosing Angle of Attack: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...choosing-your-angle-target-right-anatomy.html
Maximizing Ligament Stretch Gains and LOT Theory: http://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...mizing-ligament-stretch-gains-lot-theory.html
Tips and Turkey Neck: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...eight-hanging-technique-tips-turkey-neck.html
Bib's Turkey Neck Correction: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-devices-forum/17087-bibs-turkeyneck-correcting-wrap.html
Fulcrum Hanging: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...-device-rice-sock-duct-tape-fulcrum-rsdt.html
Managing Fatigue: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-devices-forum/46143-hanging-what-fatigue.html
I also received information through PMs from a hanger that I would like to share here because it was very useful to me:
>What are your thoughts on rest days?<
Rest days are definitely not good. When you take days off, your body heals, making it more difficult to gain. With every set, every workout, you are creating micro damage. Over time, your penis will get longer and longer. It is a very slow process that requires consistency and dedication. But if you take days off, this micro damage will actually heal a lot quicker than it took for you to achieve it. When the body undergoes damage, like a cut or a bruise, etc, it immediately tries to repair itself as fast as possible. This is why it is extremely important to attack your target tissues every damn day, to pull out any micro tears from previous Penis Enlargement work that are trying to heal. If you do this, gains will come quicker ... obviously. If you take rest days, the growth process will be much, much slower.
Also, if you're hanging with a Bib, you have to condition your soft tissues for the amount of weight you wish to hang. This will take some time. If you take days off, you will lose that soft tissue conditioning, and will have to decrease the stress and work your way back up again.
>Did you use rest days for your gaining, and how were they utilized?<
I do not take any rest days. However, on some days I just do not have the time to hang all of my sets. This doesn't happen to me often, but it does happen. In that case, I do the best I can. If I only have time to hang 3 sets, then that's what I'll do. The point is to pull out the adhesions from previous work, so that those micro tears DO NOT HEAL. That is key. Even one set of 20 minutes of your max weight will do the job.
>What is an example of a good hanging routine?<
Every mans geometry is different. If you have a low exit point and long ligs, then your routine would consist of hanging at the upper angles, mainly RSDT, SO, OTS and OTL. But I would estimate that 95% of guys do not have a very low exit point, meaning that they have potential for gains from lig stretch. If you do not have an LOT of 6, then you would hang at the lower angles, SD, UTL, and especially BTC. To increase stress levels while hanging BTC, you may swing the weight from side to side, which stresses the lateral susp ligs as well, or do lower ab crunches.
Basically, you need ten hours of actual hang time per week in order to make significant gains. That is 4-5 sets of 20 minutes per day. If you feel you can do more than that, then great. The more hours you put into hanging, the better the results. Ten hours per week is the minimum though.
For more information go to http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/. Click on the "basics" section. There you will find everything you need to know. Also, Bib himself answers questions there. He's the best there is when it comes to hanging and anatomy.
>When do I know i need to up the weight? When it stops being sore the next day?<
That information is in the "basics" section of the Bib forum under "managing fatigue". Read, read, read, READ. The Bib forum is the real deal.
>Do you believe it is beneficial to hang when you are sore or do you think it is best to hang when you are feeling rested and in that "jelly state", where you have a stretchy flaccid and can get a good EQ easily?<
Again, all of this is addressed in the "managing fatigue" thread. Basically, being sore is a good thing, because it means you have created deformation. As I said above, you must hang every single day, sore or not. If you are too sore to hang your max weight, then just reduce the weight to a level that you can tolerate, and hang all of your sets. Be consistent!
>Once all my gains are made from hanging downwards, is that the time to start hanging in the straight out and straight up positions?<
Yes. Once you have fully stretched out your ligs (have an LOT of 6), then you can benefit from upper angle work, which will stress the ENTIRE tunica, inner and outer. But you must stretch out your ligs first, otherwise you'll be trying to deform the ligs AND the tunica at the same time and getting nowhere. One of the most important techniques taught at the Bib forum is dividing and conquering the target tissues: once you have gained all the length you can by fully stretching out your ligs, your next target will be the entire tunica ... and since the ligs are out of the way, tunica gains will be much easier to achieve. It is a much smarter and more productive way of Penis Enlargement'ing. More "scientific", if you will.
>Sorry about all the questions, I just want to get an idea of the theory behind this, as I can't seem to figure out how to gain with all my efforts.<
You do not need to apologize. I do not mind answering your questions and helping you. If you have any more questions for me about hanging, you can always send me a PM. But I strongly advise you to go to the Bib forum and read everything in the basics section first, and then read the posts, etc, so that you can understand what they're talking about. Also, read about the "three tests". If you want, you can ask Bib himself any question about hanging. His advice is gold. He is the real guru.
>I actually bought a bib hanger, I am wearing it right now. There seems to be a hell of a learning curve... I'm pretty sure I have it on incorretly, as I feel some skin stretch and not as much lig stretch as I would with manuals.<
Either your skin is very tight, and you have to do dedicated skin stretch for a week, or you attached too far back, which puts more stress on your skin than your ligs. Make sure you are attaching the hanger 1.5 inches from the coronal ridge, and pulse pushing until hanger forms the shoulders of the glans. Do not attach further back than 1.5 inches, unless you want to stretch skin. If your wrap and attachment point are correct, and you still feel the majority of the stress on the skin, then it means you focus on stretching skin for a while. Perhaps 1-2 weeks. To stretch skin, attach the hanger 2 inches from the coronal ridge and do not tighten down as much. The key is to get the hanger to rest on the shoulders, with a greater pull on the skin. So if you're stretching skin, do not go crazy on the tightening ... just enough to keep it from slipping. Then, in a week or so, attach at the normal attachment point, and all of the should be placed on the ligs.
>I bought the original model. It seems very big. I am concerned that I bought a too big model. There seems to only be like 2.5-3 inches of flaccid penis exposed that is being pulled and the rest is in the hanger. Since I want to create tears in the tunica, would it not be best to have most of the penis exposed and less of it in the hanger?<
The part of the penis which is between the hanger is being stressed. The entire shaft is being stressed. I do not know how big you are, but if you're over 6 inches erect, then you should be able to hang comfortably with the Original, according to what I've read. I have never used the Original. I use the Hardcore model.
> I got the original because they said it could hang the most weight, but now that I have it on I see that I may have wanted the smaller model.<
If you feel it is too big for you, then get the Starter model. It is smaller, easier to work with, and easier to learn to use. Once you get the hang of it, it's second nature. And, it can handle up to 60 lbs. I doubt you'll need more than that, lol.
>Also, how tight should I have the thing? Seems to still be moving with the skin, but I don't want to hurt myself. Someone said as tight as possible so that it does not move at all. Is this true?<
Yes, the hanger should be very tight. Or tight enough for the amount of weight you wish to hang, so that the hanger does not slip towards the glans, and cause discomfort, edema, and excess blood in the head. As you move up in weight, you will have to tighten more and more, to prevent the hanger from slipping and causing problems. This is all part of the soft tissue conditioning process.
> Length is a bitch..<
I feel ya.
Continued....
A conversation regarding PGE1 and hanging:
Mike,
Really appreciate you taking the time to write this. I would like to see the instructional video you made, injecting the PGE1. Where can I find it? (PM ME IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE VIDEO I MADE OF ME DOING A PGE1 INJECTION AND EXPLAINING THE PROPenis EnlargementR PROCEDURE, AS TO TOLD ME BY A MEDICAL DOCTOR)
I'm almost done with my hanging journey. When I start doing girth work, I will definitely look into this. However, I'm not sure that prolonged erections are the key to making girth gains. When a guy gets an erection, from V, PGE1, whatever, the penis gets as hard as possible, but it does not expand after a certain point, unless that guy incorporates some form of jelqing into his routine to expand the lateral fibers of the tunica, which will allow for more blooflow, and thus a thicker erection. Keeping the penis engorged for many hours doesn't promote actual growth in my opinion, but I could be wrong. I just don't see the logic in that, based on everything I've learned about Penis Enlargement over the years. Some guys think that one of the best ways to make length gains is to keep the penis in the extended state after a work out, so that it heals that way. I assume you are using the same logic with PGE1 injections and girth? I really doubt this makes a difference. If you are clamping, for example, you would do three sets of 10 minutes per day, every day, and each time you do it you are breaking down those tissues further and further, which is what brings real gains. Maintaining an erection doesn't actually promote growth in my opinion. The fatigue (or pain) you are feeling after many hours of being hard is probably not the type of fatigue you want to feel. Probably not the same type of fatigue of jelqing or clamping or any other girth work.
I'm looking into something called Extreme Uli's, or EU's. It is very similar to clamping, only difference being that it is even more intense. Basically, it is a tourniquet made with flexible PVC tubing and a hose clamp. Instructions posted at the Bib forum. There is a guy by the name of Gentle Mister Justin, or GMJ, who made incredible girth gains using this method, along with Bib himself and many others. There are pictures there showing the engorgement ... man is that thing scary! But for now, or until I cement my length gains, I cannot do any girth work while hanging.
I remember reading some of your posts when you were having numbness due to tightening the Bib Hanger too much. Took a long time for you to get back on track. Are you planning on hanging again in the future, or are you should going to stick with manuals and other devices? Well, if you need help with hanging, you can always ask me. Hope all is well.
Take care.
First of all, really good job! Great video! You explained everything. Thanks.
"I was basically told having erections for a long time is enough to slowly stretch the dorsal ligament and expand the penis lengthwise and girth wise."
To make permanent length gains, you have to deform the collagenous tissues which restain an erection. Those are the suspensory ligaments, the tunica, and the extremely tough part of the tunica where the CC's intersect, the septum, which is the by far the toughest tissue to deform. The tunica is a rubber-like sheet, and requires a lot of time under [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] to permanently lengthen it. The "traction" provided by increased bloodflow alone is not going to be enough to make length gains. The tunica needs more stress than what a hard erection can provide in order to grow. Stress is weight over time. If there is no weight, or force, that stretches these tissues past the marginal stretch, then micro damage cannot occur, and length gains will not be realized. But, if the PGE1 is actually capable (I do not know) of deforming the lateral bonds of the tunica enough to measure a gain in girth, then I suppose it would be possible to measure a small gain in length as well because of greater blood volume capacity, and the fact that when the penis grows, it tends to grow in all directions - length gains compliment girth gains, and girth gains compliment length gains. That is why Jelqing alone can bring length gains, without the use of any stretching devices or other manual exercises for length. However, the catch is, if you lose those girth gains, whatever you gained in length during that time will also disappear, unless you cement those girth gains in order to cement those length gains ... get it? Also, doing it this way, you must know that the increase in girth vs. length does not increase in a linear fashion. For example, it might take two inches of girth gains to realize one inch in length gains. That is why I am telling you, IF your goal is length, you absolutely need to either hang, or do a manuals + [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] routine, whatever you feel more comfortable with. But hanging is best, in my opinion, once you understand what you're doing. So I guess my point is, if you want that 10 inch cock (I don't, but you probably do, knowing you ) then there is absolutely no way around hard, hard work. You may get results with the PGE1, probably mostly visual results, but don't be disappointed in the end if you haven't reached your short term goal. You MUST invest time in a good hanging or lengthening routine to get there. Trust me on that.
"I'm fairly confident I will get some results over long term use. Just have to make sure my girth does not get too thick, because then I will have trouble gaining through hanging right?"
It depends. If your target tissue is the tunica, then yes, simply because a greater girth has more surface area, more volume, and therefore more tissue to deform. If your target tissues are the suspensory ligaments, then your girth doesn't really matter.
Let me just tell you something right now: you are one lucky son of a bitch. As soon as I saw your video, the first thing that came to my mind was that you can gain A LOT just from lig stretch, turning inner penis into outer penis by hanging BTC. Look at where your shaft exits your body! It is definitely more than 2 inches above the bottom of the pubic bone. You can easily gain a good 1.5 - 2 inches just by stretching out your ligs. Forget the tunica, LOL! How big are you, 7 3/4" BPenis EnlargementL? If you hang for 18 months BTC, you will be a nine inch monster. Keep that in mind.
Well, good luck with Penis Enlargement. If you get back into hanging or have any questions, send me a PM. I will be checking up on your progress with the PGE1, hopefully all goes well.
"So what you mean is that my penis is high up on my pelvis, so that means I will be able to gain from stretching it at downward angles?"
Yes. Your shaft exit point may even be higher than two inches. I would say, based on everything I've read at the Bib forum, that you can gain about 2 inches in erect length just by hanging at the lower angles, mainy BTC and SD.
The higher your penis is from the bottom of your pubic bone, the shorter and tighter your ligs are. Every guy is different. Some have long ligs, some have short ligs. Typically, guys who were born with longer ligs have a lower exit point (closer to the bottom of the pubic bone) - those are the guys who are blessed with naturally larger penises. The goal of completely stretching out those ligs is so that they do not interfere when doing tunica work. If, say, as an example, you were doing "DLD blasters", and your ligs were stretched out enough such that they were not resisting any of the force from the blasters, then your entire shaft (inner and outer) would receive all of the stress, and thus getting more [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words], more micro damage, and therefore more gains. But if your ligs are not fully stretched out, then they will take away much of the force of the blasters, which will take away stress from the inner shaft, making the stretch less effective, because you would be trying to deform too many tissues at the same time. This is very inefficient. That is the problem with a lot of guys at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. They try the shotgun approach, trying to deform everything at the same time, and the results are just very, very, very slow, or practically non-existant. This is why it is important to understand the anatomy, so that you know exactly how to go about lengthening your penis correctly. But just so you know, I do not care much for manual exercises. I was using the blasters as an example. Everything can be done more efficiently by hanging, obviously, no matter the angle of attack.
As far as I'm concerned, you can make some serious gains from hanging at the lower angles. You will need to hang BTC for two years (definitely over one year, depending on how fast you make gains), so that will be your primary angle of attack. When BTC becomes too stressful, switch to SD. That is pretty much all you have to do. But there will be a huge learning curve, I can assure you.
"I forgot to add this in my last message - my loss of tug happens when I start to have it stretched downwards though. Do you believe in the LOT theory?"
Yes, of course. I know it is called "Loss Of Tugback", but it should really be called "Reduction Of Tugback". Use an imaginary face clock to determine the angle. 12:00 is toward your chin, 9:00 is straight out, 6:00 is straight down. Stretch your penis out and kegel at every hour, starting from 12:00. At 12:00, you should see a strong tugback looking at the head. ONLY look at the head. As you decrease the angle, you will see that the tugback actually BEGINS to lessen. So when you FIRST SEE the tugback BEGIN to lessen, that is you true LOT. It is NOT, NOT, NOT when when the tugback is completely "lost".
"Will my erections not be able to stand as high anymore due to longer ligs? You know what I mean? Like will it point straight out as opposed to more upwards?"
You may notice a decrease in erection angle as you get longer, but this is not because your ligs are longer. There is no correlation between lengthening of the ligaments and erection angle. However, as you get longer, your penis will be heavier and further away from your body due to the increase in volume, and that is what can cause your erection angle to lower slightly. This is just common sense. But as long as you have good bloodflow, it will not affact performance, if that is what you're worried about. It's just the fact that it will be heavier, further away from the body, that your erection angle will change. As long as you have good erections, there won't be a problem.
A conversation regarding PGE1 and hanging:
Mike,
Really appreciate you taking the time to write this. I would like to see the instructional video you made, injecting the PGE1. Where can I find it? (PM ME IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE VIDEO I MADE OF ME DOING A PGE1 INJECTION AND EXPLAINING THE PROPenis EnlargementR PROCEDURE, AS TO TOLD ME BY A MEDICAL DOCTOR)
I'm almost done with my hanging journey. When I start doing girth work, I will definitely look into this. However, I'm not sure that prolonged erections are the key to making girth gains. When a guy gets an erection, from V, PGE1, whatever, the penis gets as hard as possible, but it does not expand after a certain point, unless that guy incorporates some form of jelqing into his routine to expand the lateral fibers of the tunica, which will allow for more blooflow, and thus a thicker erection. Keeping the penis engorged for many hours doesn't promote actual growth in my opinion, but I could be wrong. I just don't see the logic in that, based on everything I've learned about Penis Enlargement over the years. Some guys think that one of the best ways to make length gains is to keep the penis in the extended state after a work out, so that it heals that way. I assume you are using the same logic with PGE1 injections and girth? I really doubt this makes a difference. If you are clamping, for example, you would do three sets of 10 minutes per day, every day, and each time you do it you are breaking down those tissues further and further, which is what brings real gains. Maintaining an erection doesn't actually promote growth in my opinion. The fatigue (or pain) you are feeling after many hours of being hard is probably not the type of fatigue you want to feel. Probably not the same type of fatigue of jelqing or clamping or any other girth work.
I'm looking into something called Extreme Uli's, or EU's. It is very similar to clamping, only difference being that it is even more intense. Basically, it is a tourniquet made with flexible PVC tubing and a hose clamp. Instructions posted at the Bib forum. There is a guy by the name of Gentle Mister Justin, or GMJ, who made incredible girth gains using this method, along with Bib himself and many others. There are pictures there showing the engorgement ... man is that thing scary! But for now, or until I cement my length gains, I cannot do any girth work while hanging.
I remember reading some of your posts when you were having numbness due to tightening the Bib Hanger too much. Took a long time for you to get back on track. Are you planning on hanging again in the future, or are you should going to stick with manuals and other devices? Well, if you need help with hanging, you can always ask me. Hope all is well.
Take care.
First of all, really good job! Great video! You explained everything. Thanks.
"I was basically told having erections for a long time is enough to slowly stretch the dorsal ligament and expand the penis lengthwise and girth wise."
To make permanent length gains, you have to deform the collagenous tissues which restain an erection. Those are the suspensory ligaments, the tunica, and the extremely tough part of the tunica where the CC's intersect, the septum, which is the by far the toughest tissue to deform. The tunica is a rubber-like sheet, and requires a lot of time under [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] to permanently lengthen it. The "traction" provided by increased bloodflow alone is not going to be enough to make length gains. The tunica needs more stress than what a hard erection can provide in order to grow. Stress is weight over time. If there is no weight, or force, that stretches these tissues past the marginal stretch, then micro damage cannot occur, and length gains will not be realized. But, if the PGE1 is actually capable (I do not know) of deforming the lateral bonds of the tunica enough to measure a gain in girth, then I suppose it would be possible to measure a small gain in length as well because of greater blood volume capacity, and the fact that when the penis grows, it tends to grow in all directions - length gains compliment girth gains, and girth gains compliment length gains. That is why Jelqing alone can bring length gains, without the use of any stretching devices or other manual exercises for length. However, the catch is, if you lose those girth gains, whatever you gained in length during that time will also disappear, unless you cement those girth gains in order to cement those length gains ... get it? Also, doing it this way, you must know that the increase in girth vs. length does not increase in a linear fashion. For example, it might take two inches of girth gains to realize one inch in length gains. That is why I am telling you, IF your goal is length, you absolutely need to either hang, or do a manuals + [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] routine, whatever you feel more comfortable with. But hanging is best, in my opinion, once you understand what you're doing. So I guess my point is, if you want that 10 inch cock (I don't, but you probably do, knowing you ) then there is absolutely no way around hard, hard work. You may get results with the PGE1, probably mostly visual results, but don't be disappointed in the end if you haven't reached your short term goal. You MUST invest time in a good hanging or lengthening routine to get there. Trust me on that.
"I'm fairly confident I will get some results over long term use. Just have to make sure my girth does not get too thick, because then I will have trouble gaining through hanging right?"
It depends. If your target tissue is the tunica, then yes, simply because a greater girth has more surface area, more volume, and therefore more tissue to deform. If your target tissues are the suspensory ligaments, then your girth doesn't really matter.
Let me just tell you something right now: you are one lucky son of a bitch. As soon as I saw your video, the first thing that came to my mind was that you can gain A LOT just from lig stretch, turning inner penis into outer penis by hanging BTC. Look at where your shaft exits your body! It is definitely more than 2 inches above the bottom of the pubic bone. You can easily gain a good 1.5 - 2 inches just by stretching out your ligs. Forget the tunica, LOL! How big are you, 7 3/4" BPenis EnlargementL? If you hang for 18 months BTC, you will be a nine inch monster. Keep that in mind.
Well, good luck with Penis Enlargement. If you get back into hanging or have any questions, send me a PM. I will be checking up on your progress with the PGE1, hopefully all goes well.
"So what you mean is that my penis is high up on my pelvis, so that means I will be able to gain from stretching it at downward angles?"
Yes. Your shaft exit point may even be higher than two inches. I would say, based on everything I've read at the Bib forum, that you can gain about 2 inches in erect length just by hanging at the lower angles, mainy BTC and SD.
The higher your penis is from the bottom of your pubic bone, the shorter and tighter your ligs are. Every guy is different. Some have long ligs, some have short ligs. Typically, guys who were born with longer ligs have a lower exit point (closer to the bottom of the pubic bone) - those are the guys who are blessed with naturally larger penises. The goal of completely stretching out those ligs is so that they do not interfere when doing tunica work. If, say, as an example, you were doing "DLD blasters", and your ligs were stretched out enough such that they were not resisting any of the force from the blasters, then your entire shaft (inner and outer) would receive all of the stress, and thus getting more [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words], more micro damage, and therefore more gains. But if your ligs are not fully stretched out, then they will take away much of the force of the blasters, which will take away stress from the inner shaft, making the stretch less effective, because you would be trying to deform too many tissues at the same time. This is very inefficient. That is the problem with a lot of guys at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. They try the shotgun approach, trying to deform everything at the same time, and the results are just very, very, very slow, or practically non-existant. This is why it is important to understand the anatomy, so that you know exactly how to go about lengthening your penis correctly. But just so you know, I do not care much for manual exercises. I was using the blasters as an example. Everything can be done more efficiently by hanging, obviously, no matter the angle of attack.
As far as I'm concerned, you can make some serious gains from hanging at the lower angles. You will need to hang BTC for two years (definitely over one year, depending on how fast you make gains), so that will be your primary angle of attack. When BTC becomes too stressful, switch to SD. That is pretty much all you have to do. But there will be a huge learning curve, I can assure you.
"I forgot to add this in my last message - my loss of tug happens when I start to have it stretched downwards though. Do you believe in the LOT theory?"
Yes, of course. I know it is called "Loss Of Tugback", but it should really be called "Reduction Of Tugback". Use an imaginary face clock to determine the angle. 12:00 is toward your chin, 9:00 is straight out, 6:00 is straight down. Stretch your penis out and kegel at every hour, starting from 12:00. At 12:00, you should see a strong tugback looking at the head. ONLY look at the head. As you decrease the angle, you will see that the tugback actually BEGINS to lessen. So when you FIRST SEE the tugback BEGIN to lessen, that is you true LOT. It is NOT, NOT, NOT when when the tugback is completely "lost".
"Will my erections not be able to stand as high anymore due to longer ligs? You know what I mean? Like will it point straight out as opposed to more upwards?"
You may notice a decrease in erection angle as you get longer, but this is not because your ligs are longer. There is no correlation between lengthening of the ligaments and erection angle. However, as you get longer, your penis will be heavier and further away from your body due to the increase in volume, and that is what can cause your erection angle to lower slightly. This is just common sense. But as long as you have good bloodflow, it will not affact performance, if that is what you're worried about. It's just the fact that it will be heavier, further away from the body, that your erection angle will change. As long as you have good erections, there won't be a problem.
hepcat;514879 said:Mike Schlort is this your first novel?
Ya, It's called "How to Make Your Dick Big" by Mike Shlort. Move over, Aaron Kemmer.
Figured since I spent months researching hanging, I may as well compile everything useful I have come across on the subject in one easy location. I will probably write an article on PGE1 in the near future with all my resources and stuff as well.
To simplify things, it took me a year to come up with this approach:
Manual routine until gains plateau (light jelqing - no girth work).
Hanging (Ligs first, tunica second. Go back to ligs after I have made significant tunica gains. This is called the Seesaw Effect.)
Girth - pumping, jelqing, manual girth exercises and PGE1.
3 steps - could take up to 5 years. I assume it will take me 3 years from this point forward to get to my goal using my approach.
Today:
10 min manual stretch [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]Newbie routine[/words] kegels
7-9 hours [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]
Random piss pulls
Jerked off twice
15 min manual stretch session
Scrotal stretches
Testicle massage
Tomorrow I will begin my first sets of hanging.
Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQeBhrYfrg
10 min manual stretch [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]Newbie routine[/words] kegels
7-9 hours [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]
Random piss pulls
Jerked off twice
15 min manual stretch session
Scrotal stretches
Testicle massage
Tomorrow I will begin my first sets of hanging.
Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQeBhrYfrg
This is by far the most entertaining thread I have found on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. I don't know why I wasn't subbed earlier.
Thanks guys, I appreciate it. Hopefully I can keep contributing to the community as time goes on.
EDIT: I forgot to add this link in my article to the list of links. It's called "Managing Fatigue": http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=28
EDIT: I forgot to add this link in my article to the list of links. It's called "Managing Fatigue": http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=28
Piss pulls throughout day
2-3 hours extending
15 min manual stretch session
Jacked off - was trying to get wrap on for hanger, kept getting engorged so I got pissed and jerked it. Have been fucking around with hanger, wrap etc trying to figure it out. No luck, will try tomorrow morning.
Positive news - Last night, I happened upon a link to "teen adult entertainment".. I figured I would just do some edging - I lost before I had even started. I ended up jerking off twice before bed. In between each nut I did a manual stretch session. Today, I managed to get a very nice hard on again today (to more teen adult entertainment). So it shows that I can manage to get a good erection the next day after ejaculating. Not sure how many days in a row I'd be able to keep it up before EQ suffers, but it is nice to know if I ever have the companionship of a cockslut, I'd be able to give it to her good at least thrice in a 24 hour swing. I'm not willing to find out how many more nights I can achieve this. I am also going to put a personal ban on all adult entertainment and images of women nude, doing things with peckers, or otherwise. I feel that it really desensitizes a person and our generation probably has a higher ED rate than any in history. I'd like to be able to get aroused from looking at a woman's real life cleavage without having to see her dirty holes being filled with forearm-sized cocks and bleu cheese.
On another note, after ejaculating last night, I had to desire to have sex with a woman even though I saw them all over the place. I also felt weak and subdued. I feel masturbation steals my life force. I will avoid it at all costs. I will have to stay away from the "How big is his cock" thread.
Tomorrow I look forward to figuring out hanger configuration and wrapping. I also plan to start back up on my gym routine.
Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNdHydromaxdhumF4
2-3 hours extending
15 min manual stretch session
Jacked off - was trying to get wrap on for hanger, kept getting engorged so I got pissed and jerked it. Have been fucking around with hanger, wrap etc trying to figure it out. No luck, will try tomorrow morning.
Positive news - Last night, I happened upon a link to "teen adult entertainment".. I figured I would just do some edging - I lost before I had even started. I ended up jerking off twice before bed. In between each nut I did a manual stretch session. Today, I managed to get a very nice hard on again today (to more teen adult entertainment). So it shows that I can manage to get a good erection the next day after ejaculating. Not sure how many days in a row I'd be able to keep it up before EQ suffers, but it is nice to know if I ever have the companionship of a cockslut, I'd be able to give it to her good at least thrice in a 24 hour swing. I'm not willing to find out how many more nights I can achieve this. I am also going to put a personal ban on all adult entertainment and images of women nude, doing things with peckers, or otherwise. I feel that it really desensitizes a person and our generation probably has a higher ED rate than any in history. I'd like to be able to get aroused from looking at a woman's real life cleavage without having to see her dirty holes being filled with forearm-sized cocks and bleu cheese.
On another note, after ejaculating last night, I had to desire to have sex with a woman even though I saw them all over the place. I also felt weak and subdued. I feel masturbation steals my life force. I will avoid it at all costs. I will have to stay away from the "How big is his cock" thread.
Tomorrow I look forward to figuring out hanger configuration and wrapping. I also plan to start back up on my gym routine.
Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNdHydromaxdhumF4
MikeShlort;515127 said:
I'm right there with you. I've been in too many situations where I had a girl naked and I'm not even getting up. I don't know if it's the excitement or too much ejaculation.
Tahir Aqbar;515129 said:
I'll tell you right now what it is - masturbating and adult entertainment. I had a girl once and I was only ever 80% with her. We'd fuck at least twice a day. She had to suck me off to get me hard.
adult entertainment makes it so seeing a naked woman alone isn't enough. You want to see her with cocks in her. Which is pretty sick, but it's our generation and we need to use self control. Just like the douchebags with smart phones texting every 3 minutes. Self control needs to be used when it comes to the technology. We must keep our monkey paws off the technology unless we really need to use it for something useful.
An even worse thing is masturbation. You'll never find a woman who can grip your own penis like you can - it's just impossible. You know how you like to grip it and what feels good just by instinct. So when you jack off a lot, your penis needs that grip to be able to get 100% and/or ejaculate. I could not cum from head from that whore no matter how hard she jerked me and how long she went for. I always ended up having to jerk off in her mouth when she was menstruating. So I think it's good to just not jerk off at all.
It's like a hard drug user - after about 18 months, it is said that the body and mind will forget what it feels like to take a hit. I would say it's the same with jacking off, but it won't be anywhere near 18 months. I'd say a month. I have ejaculated from head before and it was because I hadn't jacked off in a while. Felt pretty good too and it was an ugly chick to boot, much uglier than that despicable, ugly cockslut who would suck me off for hours and do nothing for me. So I'm not even going to edge anymore, just so my penis can forget what it feels like.
I want to have dirty sex with women, and that includes head, so I want to be able to cum from their touch. I think kicking masturbation and adult entertainment is necessary. I'll be horny as shit all the time but I don't mind; it gets easier after time and I end up not caring.
Too much adult entertainment and too much prefunctory ejaculation. I dropped adult entertainment, all adult entertainment, and I only masturbate about once a week now. It's a deprogramming process but yes, adult entertainment causes ED for a lot of guys. It caused it for me, definitely.
Quit watching adult entertainment for forever and don't touch yourself for at least two weeks. You'll be amazed at the difference.
Quit watching adult entertainment for forever and don't touch yourself for at least two weeks. You'll be amazed at the difference.
I like what I'm reading here. I tried to go without masturbating and I tried to record it on my thread but you saw how long that lasted Mike. Every once in a while I go through a phase where I get so desensitized that I can't even cum from jacking off to regular adult entertainment. I know I could make the problem worse by finding some fetish shit so I quit for a couple of days until I can get into it again. Right now I'm at the phase of the cycle where I get horny but I have no incentive to jack off to adult entertainment so I'm gonna try and break it this time. Honestly, I think that the longest I've ever gone without masturbating since I discovered it 7 years ago was one week....
....Lol. Mike you just taught me something. I'm about to solve all my female problems. I've got to go a few weeks with out strangling the monkey, then find an ugly bitch to give me head. YES! It never made sense when my mexican and black friends fucked with ugly bitches but now it makes complete sense. I feel like a new man!
....Lol. Mike you just taught me something. I'm about to solve all my female problems. I've got to go a few weeks with out strangling the monkey, then find an ugly bitch to give me head. YES! It never made sense when my mexican and black friends fucked with ugly bitches but now it makes complete sense. I feel like a new man!
So I actually took the time to read through your entire thread an must say I am impressed. Funny is a lot of the things you hate about guys is exactly what I am though lol
Tahir Aqbar;515201 said:
You're a bodybuilder, you should have the discipline to not jerk it. I know you can do it man. I used to be a crack addict for 9 years and I am able to go months without ejaculating. Just gotta stay away from triggers like clicking on adult entertainment links or telling yourself that you're just going to edge. Edging is a useless exercise for Penis Enlargement purposes. I find it not only makes the tunica restricted and tighter, it even makes the ligs tighter. In my case. The only thing edging is good for is to find out how to not kegel when you're aroused/jerking it hard.
Since you say I helped saved your sex life, I'll give you one more nugget of gold that I didn't realize until I was 25 and doing Penis Enlargement. Unconscious kegeling during sex is what causes ejaculation. I would get made fun of by the chick for not being able to pump away, but now I see it was because I was kegeling the whole time. Why? Because kegeling feels good! It's natural instinct. In the wild, sex is supposed to be as quick as possible - get in there, pump hard and ejaculate. Get that bitch pregnant as quickly as possible and breed. So naturally kegeling during sex feels good, that's why you do it without thinking about it.
The day I finally realized that is why I jack of quickly I was so happy, for about a day. To practice it, you basically do nothing. You get an erection then you wack off but you don't move any muscle even close to your penis or pubic region. And it will feel gay! It feels pointless. It's more annoying than anything. But that's how the guys who can fuck do it. Sex for a man is a selfless act if you are doing it right. You are basically getting off on giving pleasure to a woman. You get rewarded by a 5 second ejaculation at the end of it. Meanwhile, she is having full body orgasms and being stimulated by your touches the whole time. Whatever.
So the best way to try it out is to get a real good hard on. You will need to stop with the adult entertainment and jerking off for a week or so to be able to do this. You know those real good boners you get where you don't even have to kegel - you could walk around the house wihtout kegeling and you'd still be rock hard? Sort of like morning wood. Well, get that and start pumping away. If you're doing it right, you will be able to pump as fast and hard as you can and not cum.
Throw very sexy adult entertainment into the mix, it makes it tougher. You will cum easier, but you practice and you don't. I would suggest just cutting out adult entertainment completely. I would suggest cutting out jacking off completely too, but if what I am telling you about sex and kegeling is news to you, then you probably want to practice a bit. I don't need to practice because I have done waaay too much practice. If I get with a woman, yeah I'll probably suck the first 10 minutes trying to figure out how the fuck to not cum while inside a pussy but I'll figure it out eventually because I know the theory.
I have not had sex since I started Penis Enlargement and figured this out so I have not tried it out on the battlefield but I'm sure it translates.
Papi Champagne;515227 said:
Hey, thanks. I read somewhere you saying you are bisexual though? My beef is with the guys who dress metrosexual because it's trendy and act effeminate to be woman-friendly but they are still gym rat meatheads who talk shit about "bangin' chicks" and fighting small guys. They are basically hypocrites and too sackless to get their own identity so they follow the contemporary trends because it is more likely to get them established on the social ladder, therefore get them chicks. I don't really have a problem with effeminate guys who are actually effeminate and dress, act accordingly etc. Yeah, I might laugh at them to myself from time to time, but I give them credit for at least not trying to be something they're not. I would have no problems being friends with a gay dude or whatever if he's a solid person, not dishonest and not just another MTV cardboard cutout. Just as long as he doesn't try to do things to my anus when I am in a compromised position.
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MikeShlort;515246 said:
Yes I am bi-sexual but I definitely prefer women more, only been with a handful of guys at most.
I do dress metro but not like that super gay shit, just classy shit like button downs, jeans, tees, nice shoes, and a sexy fucking haircut cause I got to look like a fucking pimp.
Far from a gym rat even though I just started going today and hope to get into better shape.
Right now I think I am pretty much a stoner, but not a typical fucking retarded stoner, I keep my grades up and hopefully in the next two years I will be going to medical school.
I have had my fair share of women which I have said on here before but I am not really the guy to kiss and tell I guess.
But I do hate guys that act effeminate, every gay guys pushes that shit and it annoys the fuck out of me.
As far as guys that try to be MTV cardboard cutouts I just avoid them 100%.
And I will stick it so far up your butt you will cum. Just kidding.
But seriously.