Mike Shlort's Journey To Becoming A Real Man

[MikeShlort]

Not a fan of co-ed humour.

 

[DLD]

The last year of my addiction I was shooting heroin and cocaine all day, smoking crack all day, taking valium and drinking. That pretty much leaves me with no options to party with. I am on a cocktail of psych meds now and drinking could cause an extremely bad reaction (especially with anti-psychotics). I still enjoy going out completely sober. If it is a venue with good live music I am all set. I understand your underlying point though. If it works for you more power to ya. Just be careful my friend. It is a slippery slope as they like to say.

Proud that you have taken steps to make a change, we are similar on many levels and it feels good to know you are doing what it takes to put those demons behind you!

 

[MikeShlort]

Dec 21:

Last day hanging at 5lbs. I am moving up to 7 sets per day (as opposed to 6). This will be the second day I hung 7 sets. After next week (of doing 7 sets each day), I will move up to 8 sets, and that will be the most possible sets I can hang in a day. Some days I may get less than 8 (6-7 - never less than 6, unless there is a damn good reason).

4 sets BTC
10 min jelq (80-85% engorged)
3 sets BTC
10 min jelq (70% engorged, some flaccid jelqing)
Testicle massage

Lifted 3 sets of bench, 3 sets of curls, and did 3 sets of push ups. Light day, was sick and pressed for time.

Track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y2MyMqVD0E

 

[MikeShlort]

Ya the underlying issues are key. I think once you get to the point where you would only ever want to use drugs just for the fun of getting high, you are in a good place.

 

[MikeShlort]

Last night I had no nighttime erections, mostly due to drinking and being sick, but I had a fucking amazing flaccid hang all through the night and in the morning when I woke up. I had the same thing later on in the day.

I conclude that interactions with women leads to a better flaccid hang. Probably due to some subconscious mechanism in the brain telling your penis that you may mate soon, so it puts it in a good state. This is useful information for people wanting to heal in the flaccid state, or who tend to have a small, shriveled flaccid. I think I am going to try saying/doing risky things to females more often ie. approaching them, talking to them about sexual topics etc.

I also noticed awhile back that listening to the Rolling Stones has a similar effect, but not nearly as intense.

I believe that the more your penis is in a larger state, the better off it is and the bigger it will get. Just like kingsnake says. Nighttime erections are extremely important in my books and I am pissed off the nights I don't get them. And I love it when I have a loose flaccid throughout the day. It's the best state to start stretching. Your balls will be saggy and loose in this state, too.

I suffer from having a small flaccid/shriveled balls a lot of the day and I don't like it. I feel best when I am hanging loose.

I think a good combination of cardio, lifting weights (especially with legs) to get testosterone flowing, abstaining from masturbating, and regular interaction with females is key in having good [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]penis health[/words]. Unfortunately, the latter is quite difficult.

I also believe consistent Penis Enlargement is required to have the best possible EQ. I've been hanging since Oct 1 and I get amazing erections, when I get erect. I think it's because of the constant stretching, it allows the erection to be at it's peak, as opposed to less frequent Penis Enlargement, where the ligs and tissues are less stretched out and tighter, thus stiffer flaccid, less pliable and less "meaty" erections.

All of this is just theoretical, but nonetheless obtained from closely monitoring my penis the past 15 months.

 

[MikeShlort]

Dec 22:

Up to 5.5 lbs. Going for 7 sets a day. Next Saturday (Dec 29), I will move up to 6lbs and 8 sets. Then, the following Saturday (Jan 5), I will move up to 7lbs and stay at 8 sets (which will be my maximum amount of sets in a day). This is providing I don't find the weight too heavy, but moving from 5lbs to 5.5lbs was no problem at all, so I don't think there will be any issues.

7 sets BTC
30 min jelq

 

[MikeShlort]

Dec 23:

7 sets BTC
15 min jelq

Still no nighttime erections. Only erections in bed when awake, thinking of things to create arousal. I blame being sick and not getting as much sleep as I'd have liked to for the cease of nighttime erections. Also, I have upped the amount of sets in a day from 6 to 7 three days ago, so I am getting used to that as well.

 

[MikeShlort]

Here's something I just posted on Penis EnlargementGym forum.

"I'll give you some anecdotal evidence:

When I was pumping, I would tie off with a bathrobe cord (like a cock ring) then go to sleep. I always wake up numerous times throughout the night to urinate, so it wasn't a problem for me. I also gradually increased the amount of time being tied off (starting at half an hour) until it was all night (8 hours).

The result was I would keep my pump all night. In fact, the pump would increase. I'd go to bed with a +0.75" temporary pump in EG and wake up with a +1.5" temporary EG pump. Within two months of doing this, I had gained close to 0.4" EG, which I still have to this day.

I find it amazing that I have a thicker penis still from some exercises that I did in February and March. It really made me believe in Penis Enlargement and kept me going strong.

I really feel tying off immediately after my pumping + jelqing routine helped me lock in those gains. Something about healing in an expanded state (for girth) or stretched state (for length) really makes sense to me. However, I monitored my penis every couple hours and made sure there was no bad pain.

My record temporary gain was when I measured close to 7.5" EG (from 5.5" - 5.75" at the time). It really was amazing. The idea that I could do an exercise to get this hilarious temporary girth that lasted 10 hours was amazing to me.

Then, I realized pumping can create problems for length gaining. I had a chat with a doctor about it and his initial advice got me back on length work. Then, I read tons of theories on these forums that supported his advice. Also, I learned that too much girth work could cut short your total possible length gains.

I look at it this way: length is the bitch to gain. There are no exercises that can give you a temporary 1" of EL. So, it's best to just put in the time and work and get to a longer length. Then, at that time, I can go back to my pumping + jelqing + tying off routine and get my 1.5" of temporary EG, only this time it will be on a penis that is 1.5" longer. Worst case scenario - I have to do a 20-60 min. girth routine before sex to have a large girth, until my girth gains start to become permanent.

I also believe girth should by cycled - in other words, there should be "decon" breaks. Length, I'm not so sure, based on Bib's theory. I look at it this way: I plateaued once I hit 5.75"-5.8" EG (from 5.4"). I could get to 6" EG 24 hours later, but if I did not do my routine, it would shrink back down to 5.75" EG.

So now, 8 months later, I am still at 5.75" EG. Maybe if I were to do the same girth routine I had been doing, I could get up to 6" EG before I plateau, making my permanent girth 6" EG. Then take another couple month break, staying at 6" EG. Then do the cycle again. If the total gains from that routine are the same, it shouldn't matter what the starting size is. In theory, a .25" EG gain should be seen every 2 months, then a plateau.

Maybe go back to some length work, or EQ work in that time. Or just enjoy the new size. Make sure it doesn't shrink any. I always jelq, so that probably helps cement it.

What I'm trying to say is maybe girth can be looked at something that is increased in increments, as opposed to a long term routine like length work. I don't see why it wouldn't work in my case, but I have yet to try it out and find out for sure.

The key is getting that length. Then cement it. At that point, you are golden. The hard work is done. Girth work is much more fun. And if my theory holds weight, only has to be done 2-3 months at a time, with significant breaks in between."

 

[MikeShlort]

Dec 24:

3 sets BTC
15 min jelq (mostly flaccid)
3 sets BTC
1 set BTC
15 min jelq (flaccid)

Track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0W71S82GZI

 

[MikeShlort]

Bit of nighttime erections returning, nothing really though. Still sick as a broke dick dog.

 

[MikeShlort]

EDIT: Yesterday, did a Testicle Massage first thing.

 

[DLD]

EDIT: Yesterday, did a Testicle Massage first thing.

Good shit! Are you doing all the stretching within the exercise?

 

[MikeShlort]

Good shit! Are you doing all the stretching within the exercise?

I do scrotal stretches from time to time, but not as often as before. I think I've maximized my gains with the scrotal stretching exercise, so I just do it often enough when they are hanging loose.

I was told hanging at low angles also makes your testicles and scrotum hang lower, as it pulls your entire package out and down.

I've had good results with the scrotal stretches but they hurt a lot of the time, so I only do them when my scrotum is nice and loose, not dry and tight. Hopefully the hanging will keep my package loose and long. So far, so good.

I haven't masturbated since Nov. 22 and I am noticing my balls and sack are hanging loose a lot now. My testicles are also a nice size. Like small eggs.

I try to do the testicle massage as often as possible. I also do some behind the balls jelqing, jelqing the balls as well. I think the testicle massage may help stimulate them for "growth", but this is just a guess.

I like the exercise because it feels good to do in the morning when I wake up with loose balls and a hard on. Feels good and seems to make my nuts plump. Very crucial for what I am trying to accomplish. I like the look of my flaccid when it is long, on top of my hanging pair of fat nuts. Looks great on a skinny white guy.

I've noticed with the hanging, I am having a nicer flaccid hang, more times of the day. This could also be because of not masturbating. Either way, I intend to keep this up.

Nighttime erections is proof that my routine is working. The only reason they didn't happen in the beginning month of hanging was due to improper attachment technique. Then, once I fixed that, they returned. Now they are gone again because I am sick. But they are coming back. And I look forward to their return.

Dec 25:

Still @ 5.5lbs

4 sets BTC
15 min jelq (Mostly erect for this, some flaccid jelqing. I took a nap after the 3 sets then jelqed after I woke up. Had much better EQ this way)
Testicle massage (immediately after jelq)

3 sets BTC
15 min jelq (mostly flaccid, bit of erect jelqing)

I ordered some leech oil for jelqing. Should be here next week or the week after. Hopefully it stays slippery because lotion dries up quickly and I go through it quickly. I will still use lotion for the testicle massage. I like that my balls smell like a woman all day.

Also ordered some workout program online. Somanabolics it's called. Although I am quite happy with my current physique, I didn't mind spending a few bucks on a professional program that may take me to the next level. I will start using it in the new year, after I get back into the swing of things, as I have been sick for the past week and haven't done any training since Friday. The upside is, my abs are really kicking, having been sick. I mainly bought the program so I could lose that extra bit of body fat and keep growing muscle. It has a calculator and all that shit. Tells you what to eat and when.

Track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaDbMZlN2Pg

 

[MikeShlort]

Dec 26:

7 sets BTC
10-15 min jelq (very flaccid)

7 sets in a row is tough. My EQ was horrible afterwards and my cock was sore. The attachment point really started to hurt the last 5 mins of the last few sets. I assume being sick and having lots of days this week where the sets weren't as spaced out as normal contributed to the attachment point soreness.

I had no nighttime erections. But, again, I was sick and tired. I haven't had a good workout in over a week. I am looking forward to getting back into the swing of things once all this holiday bullshit is over. I may get hammered as fuck on my day off next week if I am no longer sick, just for the fuck of it. Depending if I have all my work done. So I won't be back to desired health and getting nighttime erections for probably another week or more. If I do get any sooner, I will consider it a gift.

Track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_bMiLx4tts

 

[DLD]

i think once you get to the point where you would only ever want to use drugs just for the fun of getting high, you are in a good place.

bingo!

 

[MikeShlort]

Thurs Dec 27:

Testicle Massage
1 set BTC

6 sets BTC
15 min jelq (mostly flaccid, some EQ at the end)

Track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QloZREyA8Xk

 

[MikeShlort]

Fri Dec 28:

Last day @ 5.5 lbs. Also, last day @ 7 sets. Tomorrow, I begin hanging 8 sets per day. I also move up to 6 lbs.

I ordered leech oil on eBay a few weeks ago. It arrived today in the mail. Smells like peanuts and bong water. It's supposed to give you growth. I've used it twice today and noticed that after the first time, my penis was plumper all day. I will likely only start using it at night, as I want my penis to be limp and thin for hanging. I will do a write up on it at a later time.

Testicle massage
3 sets BTC
10 min jelq with leech oil (some EQ, some flaccid)

4 sets BTC
10 min jelq with leech oil (some EQ, some flaccid)

The leech oil keeps the penis lubricated, but it isn't the slickest thing in the world, since it is expensive and I don't use a lot. So there is a lot of skin pulling and jelqing hard. I will shave myself again to help with this.

 

[DLD]

The leech oil keeps the penis lubricated, but it isn't the slickest thing in the world, since it is expensive and I don't use a lot. So there is a lot of skin pulling and jelqing hard. I will shave myself again to help with this.

I was looking into Leech Oil and after some deep research found that the actual benefits do not come from the oil but from the direct contact of the leech itself.

 

[MikeShlort]

I wonder what live leeches would do to your wang?:O

I used to have many leeches on my cock. Now I avoid the likes.

Just hung my 1st set at 6 lbs. Feels great. Must make sure to attach properly each set, rotating the shaft clockwise in the hanger before tightening to compensate for the counter clockwise twisting that happens when I am clamped in and hanging.

 

[MikeShlort]

Sat Dec 29:

Up to 8 sets/day. Also up to 6 lbs, from 5.5lbs.

8 sets BTC
20 min jelq (first 10 min - flaccid, last 10 min - erect. Thicker erection than it was long)

Track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh6DzPS7_40

 

[MikeShlort]

2013.

One more year to tread water, keeping your balding, toxic waste filled skull above water. One more year to work towards the goal of being less pathetic than the day before, meanwhile dying at a rate that is quicker than you can keep up with.

Maybe if you keep applying Rogaine to your balding head and keeping lifting weight 5 days a week, you can look in the mirror and feel like you aren't a pathetic, aging turd, not achieving anything, completely filled with regret and bad memories.

Maybe if you keep up on your log at the penis forums, read by 20,000 sad nobodies, it won't matter so much when you shit all over yourself in real life. The pathos of the internet is your crutch from your harmful self sabotaging mechanisms.

Congratulations. It's been a solid 18 months since you last smoked crack. It's also been a solid 16 years since you had a meaningful connection with a human being. As a minimum waged, late 20 something living at your parents house, you have a lot to be proud of.

Look at your achievements. You've managed to keep a log of how many sets you hung weight from your penis each day. While you live in your head and your ideal of reality corrodes before the laughing hourglass. Maybe if you lift more weights, hang more sets from your penis, and live vicariously through people on the internet, you will evaporate into nothingness without even realizing it.

Keep "bettering yourself". That way, you will be all the more ready for your theoretical happiness. In the meantime, destroy every chance you have at present happiness. It's not like you're getting older and mentally sicker at an alarming rate.

Live in your head. There is nothing that can happen in real life that you can't refute in your fantasy landscape. Find fault in everything. Destroy all your attempts at the last minute. Document each moment. Then never think of it again. Never learn.

Look at how great you are. You speak your mind, making people feel awkward and sorry for you all at once. Only a retard doesn't realize what a con of a human being you are. But you are right. Everyone else has the problem. There is nothing you can do about it.

You enjoy sleeping alone. You enjoy waking up alone, tired. It gives you one more day to work hard towards being able to destroy any chance you are given. The more you work today, the faster and harder you will be able to jump off the cliff tomorrow, when you allow yourself the time to enter the realm of real people.

You're not wasting anyone's time but your own. The worst you can do is ruin someone's night, if they get close enough to you to tolerate you for that amount of time.

Stop reading my thread. Stop listening to me. Run away. Get out.

This isn't an example of how a human being lives. This is an example of a suicide that dragged on far too long.

I haven't figured it out yet. I am not going to figure it out tomorrow. There is something seriously malfunctioning. Those who don't even speak English can see it. It's so easy, but it may as well be on Mars.

Keep venting your nothingness on deaf ears. Shut your mouth, keep your eyes to the ground in shame. Keep reaching for that other level. The more you earn, the more your dysfunction is validated.

Another year to dwell on everything that is wrong and to murder anything that tries to smile at you.

At least you can say you didn't have any fun. Like a real man.

Sun Dec 30:

8 sets BTC
20 min jelq

Mon Dec 31:

3 sets BTC
10 min jelq

 

[DLD]

2013.

One more year to tread water, keeping your balding, toxic waste filled skull above water. One more year to work towards the goal of being less pathetic than the day before, meanwhile dying at a rate that is quicker than you can keep up with.

Maybe if you keep applying Rogaine to your balding head and keeping lifting weight 5 days a week, you can look in the mirror and feel like you aren't a pathetic, aging turd, not achieving anything, completely filled with regret and bad memories.

Maybe if you keep up on your log at the penis forums, read by 20,000 sad nobodies, it won't matter so much when you shit all over yourself in real life. The pathos of the internet is your crutch from your harmful self sabotaging mechanisms.

Congratulations. It's been a solid 18 months since you last smoked crack. It's also been a solid 16 years since you had a meaningful connection with a human being. As a minimum waged, late 20 something living at your parents house, you have a lot to be proud of.

Look at your achievements. You've managed to keep a log of how many sets you hung weight from your penis each day. While you live in your head and your ideal of reality corrodes before the laughing hourglass. Maybe if you lift more weights, hang more sets from your penis, and live vicariously through people on the internet, you will evaporate into nothingness without even realizing it.

Keep "bettering yourself". That way, you will be all the more ready for your theoretical happiness. In the meantime, destroy every chance you have at present happiness. It's not like you're getting older and mentally sicker at an alarming rate.

Live in your head. There is nothing that can happen in real life that you can't refute in your fantasy landscape. Find fault in everything. Destroy all your attempts at the last minute. Document each moment. Then never think of it again. Never learn.

Look at how great you are. You speak your mind, making people feel awkward and sorry for you all at once. Only a retard doesn't realize what a con of a human being you are. But you are right. Everyone else has the problem. There is nothing you can do about it.

You enjoy sleeping alone. You enjoy waking up alone, tired. It gives you one more day to work hard towards being able to destroy any chance you are given. The more you work today, the faster and harder you will be able to jump off the cliff tomorrow, when you allow yourself the time to enter the realm of real people.

You're not wasting anyone's time but your own. The worst you can do is ruin someone's night, if they get close enough to you to tolerate you for that amount of time.

Stop reading my thread. Stop listening to me. Run away. Get out.

This isn't an example of how a human being lives. This is an example of a suicide that dragged on far too long.

I haven't figured it out yet. I am not going to figure it out tomorrow. There is something seriously malfunctioning. Those who don't even speak English can see it. It's so easy, but it may as well be on Mars.

Keep venting your nothingness on deaf ears. Shut your mouth, keep your eyes to the ground in shame. Keep reaching for that other level. The more you earn, the more your dysfunction is validated.

Another year to dwell on everything that is wrong and to murder anything that tries to smile at you.

At least you can say you didn't have any fun. Like a real man.

Sun Dec 30:

8 sets BTC
20 min jelq

Mon Dec 31:

3 sets BTC
10 min jelq

Good shit!

 

[MikeShlort]

Tue Jan 1:

Masturbated thrice

8 sets BTC
20 min wet jelq (flaccid)

 

[MikeShlort]

Wed Jan 2:

8 sets BTC
10 min jelq (mostly flaccid, some EQ)

Masturbated once through the night.

 

[DLD]

Masturbated once through the night.

SOunds like an old Eagle's song

 

[MikeShlort]

Thurs Jan 3:

2 sets BTC
10 min jelq (flaccid)
Jerked off

6 sets BTC
10 jelq (flaccid)

 

[Tahir Aqbar]

How is the hanging going Dr. Shlort?

 

[MikeShlort]

How is the hanging going Dr. Shlort?

Time consuming, demanding and slowly fulfilling its purpose. Wish I had started 8 months ago. Or 8 years ago. But I rarely make the right move.


I had very erotic dreams with erections to go along with them last night. Very surprising, considering all the masturbating, lack of exercise, being sick, and alcohol consumption in the past two weeks. I wouldn't say they were 100%, but they were prominent and frequent. I hope this is the start of the next phase of health and vitality.

Masturbating is useless. It causes me more numbness and pain, more than usual, from the normal attachment point. It leads to over training. Edging is only useful to learn how to go without cumming. Or for a few minutes, then stopping without even coming close to precumming, to get the flaccid back into a loose, jelly state. I've had this theory since I started Penis Enlargement. It hurts flaccid size. It should be avoided unless necessary for psychological reasons/needing to sleep. I suggest to anyone who likes "edging" as a workout, to substitute a real exercise in that time.

I plan to go another +5 weeks at least without ejaculation. I also hope to gain .25" BPFSL in the next 5 weeks. I measured 8.75" BPFSL mid hanging session the other day. I hope to be at 9" BPFSL soon.

I will have trouble getting in 8 sets Mon-Thurs for the next 7 weeks, but I think with 7 hours of sleep max/night, I will get them in and get above 7" NBPenis EnlargementL, then possibly not die alone when I'm 70.

 

[Tahir Aqbar]

Damn. That's some good stretched length you've got going on. I'm actually envious because I've been taking time off Penis Enlargement to find a job and a new flat. My schedule is all fucked up. But damn... I miss that feeling when I've been consistently hanging and my dick is just perpetually loose and floppy... aside from when I have an erection, of course. I can't imagine where I'd be if I was doing 8 sets a day. That's intense.

 

[MikeShlort]

The bitch of it is the 10-12 minutes between sets needed to warm up and massage your penis. That makes it so you can really only get 2 sets/hour in. Then the 10-20 min jelq after the session. I also like to warm down for 5-10 min after the last set, so that's anywhere from 15-30 mins of additional time after the last set is done.

When they write the hanging guides, they equate 6 sets to 2 hours. They don't factor in time between sets, the heating/massaging after the sets and the jelqing after the session. 6 sets in reality is 3 hours + 15-30 mins of warm down + jelqing. That is if you're being very time efficient. I guess you could heat up for less than 10 min between sets, but I'm not at the point where I would. 10 min of heating pad in between feels perfect to me and gets me ready for the next set.

And if you do split sessions, that's twice you have to warm down then jelq. Split sessions are what I like because I tend to get sore after hanging 8 straight sets. And I can't think of anything worse for my back than hanging BTC in a chair, slouched over the way I am. 8 in a row is a bitch.

But, of course, there is a reason for all of this. Maybe one day it will be used to pleasure another human being. So it's worth it, in my opinion. Not the ultimate importance, though, as I would have you believe. A piece of the puzzle, as an acquaintance once explained to me.

 

[MikeShlort]

Fri Jan 4:

4 sets BTC
10-15 min jelq (flaccid)
Testicle Massage
2 sets BTC
2 sets BTC
10 min jelq (flaccid, some eq)

Track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTjijG4QKoQ

Tomorrow: 6.5 lbs

 

[MikeShlort]

Sat Jan 5:

Up to 6.5lbs.

4 sets BTC
10 min jelq (flaccid)

4 sets BTC
10 min jelq (flaccid)

Track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thKDe-0yhPM

 

[Tahir Aqbar]

Dude I know exactly what you mean. I'd stretch to warm up. If my dick was cold then I'd do more. But then I've got to wrap it. Then put the hanger on, adjust it, and start adding weight. Then after 20 minutes take the hanger off, unwrap, and start kegeling and jelqing and warming the head back up. 5 to 10 minutes later, repeat. I saw some guy on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] do a month where he hung for 18+ sets a day. Apparently he gained .3 inches from it. Take into account he'd Penis Enlargement'd for a while and his ligs were pretty tough. But just imagine that. 18 fucking sets a day....

 

[MikeShlort]

But just imagine that. 18 fucking sets a day....

You'd have to run a home business

 

[Ironwill1984]

8 sets of hanging good call

 

[MikeShlort]

8 sets of hanging good call

Not enough?

 

[MikeShlort]

A month or two ago, someone had sent me a private message regarding a 14 month old thread I created on a Bodybuilding forum regarding hormones and penis enlargement. Thankfully, I am much more informed today. So I typed out a helpful guide to this guy. I'll post it here for anyone who is interested. Something good t refer to.

"I got your message from the Steroid Forum. I don't use that forum but I can help you out.

First off - How serious are you about getting your penis bigger? Are you willing to put in time, energy, research and commitment? It's the same as getting any other body part to it's maximum potential. You have to do it hard and you have to do it right. You have to do it daily. You have to do it for years. But it works.

It's called Penis Enlargement exercises. When I posted my original questions about a chemical that could enlarge the penis on the steroid and bodybuilding forums, I was new to the idea of penis enlargement. The past year, I have done tons of research and I have learned a lot, made a lot of mistakes, wasted my time, and also learned many amazing secrets. I'll share the information you need to get you started at doing penis enlargement exercises the right way.

First - Become a member at the Penis Enlargement forums.
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/ - Penis Enlargement forum
http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/index.php - Penis Enlargement Forum for Hangers (This will be important once you are ready for hanging)
http://www.pegym.com/forums/ - Penis Enlargement forum

I wrote a private message to a user at one of the forums a couple weeks ago, basically explaining my approach to Penis Enlargement and the way I believe Penis Enlargement should be done. It's pretty much all the information you will need to get started on learning about the most cutting edge, effective techniques. Here's the message:

"There are many ways to get a big penis, some aren't advertised on this forum. It all depends how bad you want it. I spent the last year learning about Penis Enlargement and I will tell you pretty much everything I know, all the resources I have that took me a year of digging.

This will be overwhelming amount of information at first, but at your own pace, use the resources I give you to learn on your own. Read, read, read. Ask questions.

I will give you the basics:

First off, work your length. You don't want to gain too much girth before you gain your length because that makes it tougher to deform the tunica. Also can have adverse effects working girth while you try to hang. This means save pumping until you have close to your desired length, or until you can't wait any longer to get more girth. YOu can still gain length with added girth and many gain length while working girth, it's just harder and hangers frown upon it.

Start off with a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words]. 1-3 15 minute sets a day. Start off with one 15 minute set per day of manual stretching. Pull lightly, not hard at first. Gradually, build up force and/or length of time doing the stretch. Do this routine until you stop seeing gains from it. You can find a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] here or at other forums. Jelqing is good too. You will notice much better erections first before anything else.

After 1-2 months of the basic routine, start adding more manual exercises, see which ones work for you. There are many here.

I'm thinking the logical place to go after your manual exercises have dried up, after you have maxed out your "newbie gains" (give it a solid 4 months before advancing, until you haven't gained with a month of work) would be getting into hanging.
http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/index.php
That's the hanging site. Read everything. Ask questions. The maker of the device and owner of the forum answers questions daily. He'll even look at pictures of your penis and tell you roughly how much length you can gain.
Basically with hanging, you hang straight down and BTC (between the cheeks) until you max out your ligament gains, then start hanging at higher angles (over the shoulder, over the leg) to stretch the tunica. Bib will tel you everything you need to know and it's all there at his forum. There is a lot of good hanging stuff here too. The user malehanger at pegym is pretty knowledgeable.

After you have maxed out your hanging gains (this could be anywhere from 1-3 years), you can start pumping. This will give you girth and could give you a bit extra length. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] forum has a discount on a good water pump(https://Bathmatecheckout.com/ca/ord...tr=103c12fa635aff48a5ceaaf4906045&frontpage=0). I've gained permanent girth from just 2 months using this device. You'll want to get into looking at all kinds of pumps. Here's another link that will be very helpful for pumping: http://vacuumpumpingguide.blogspot.ca/?zx=e1498ce9cd56bc00

There's even chemical ways of Penis Enlargement. Here's a thread that will tell you a lot of things to do with chemical Penis Enlargement. I advise reading through this guy's entire thread, because it is full of very good Penis Enlargement information, along with some things you may not want to know about women, but need to know to become a balanced man. Here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...nd-brand-new-gains-with-pics-and-comparisons)


I take PGE1 injections. I think they are the future of Penis Enlargement. My new routine will be nothing but hanging, jelqing, stretching and PGE1 injections. My routine thread is here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?67630-Mike-Shlort-s-Journey-To-Becoming-A-Real-Man

Here are two very crucial links on PGE1:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7671091.html
http://www.chempe.com/2010/04/injections.html?zx=a425f320f82e2b5d

Here is a link to buy PGE1 online. It is used for erectile dysfunction patients, especially in me with ED resulting from prostate cancer. Here's the link (keep this secret): http://ergopep.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=46&products_id=179

Here's a video of me injecting and explaining how to inject PGE1 properly: http://www.xtube.com/watch.php?v=gcFy2-S569- Pin: 1337

A couple things I forgot to mention in the video:

1. I warm up before the dose, as PGE1 is an exercise like anything else.
2. When you go to push the plunger down, there should be no resistance other than the resistance of the syringe plunger itself. If there is any added resistance, that means you are not in the CC, you are in the skin. If you inject in the skin, it will bubble up and could be painful and will not be effective.
3. If you do an injection and it's a miss (you don't get a response) DO NOT do another injection. Wait until your next injection. Ask Petersouth, you will over dose and risk priapism.
4. I was told don't exceed 3 times a week, but you can do it how you please.
5. Anything over a 5 hour erection, you are in danger of a priapism and could lose your dick. Be careful.

There is a lot more information needed on PGE1 and safety procedures. You will have to look for these as I don't have a link. The main things: Any erection over 5 hours and you are in danger zone. Sudafed will bring the erections down, as will doing strenuous activity like running up stairs to get your heart rate up very rapidly. All else fails, you need a trip to the emergency room. I'll leave that up to you to find out the risks and safety procedures of PGE1 injections. Basically start with a small dose and work your way up to a dose that makes you hard for desired amount of time (2-5 hours) and you'll be fine. Like anyhting else, start slow, gradually add more time.

Here's another thread of someone taking the injections with great results: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?67395-Peter-South-s-PGE1-(caverject)-Experiment

Other devices you may want to look into are [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] (can get a good deal on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] forum). Other than that, I just use an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], a hanger, PGE1 injections, and I own the 2 sizes of [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] pumps.

Alternatives to [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] are divocups and divosuits (google them). Made by the same guy who has the chempe blog.

There is so much for you to learn about Penis Enlargement, that is up to you. It is all out there for you to easily find. This stuff that I am giving you, not many know about all this. This is my year's worth of Penis Enlargement work. It's not very detailed in this message, but all the resources are there. It's up to you to read it all and learn it and learn how to apply it. What I am giving you will make you capable of creating a penis that is large like the man you speak of in your post. Who cares about his wife bragging she can barely fit her mouth around it? That means he has large girth. Girth is easy to gain. Pumping, clamping, PGE1. You will be a monster.

Oh yeah. Andractim is used to treat micropenis. It is a topical DHT (testosterone) gel that you apply to your penis. Here is where to buy it: http://allsaintsclinic.org/testosterone-gel.shtml
Here's a link to a study done using it for enlargement: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/puBathmateed/8326617?dopt=Abstract
If you want to know more, you can google about it, search the threads here about it and the doses. Also, kingsnake at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] (I gave you the link to his thread earlier in this message) can tell you more about it. Or Ronielle (the chempe guy who does the injections - he charges people to get advice from him about PGE1 and other chempe methods and sources to buy) you can talk to him.

I am sure I am leaving out so much information but these links are the most important parts. You can always message me on here and ask specific questions - I will find you an answer, I have the resources. I feel for you. A big penis is really what women want, and it's up to us to get one to compete.

Lots of people on here will shoot down my approaches and bad mouth be because of my ways, but it's your call whether to listen to them. The information at pegym forums is very good, but they have closed minds to a lot of different ways to go about Penis Enlargement. There is risk involved like anything else, but if you want it bad enough, you will take it.

I want it bad enough, and I guarantee you that I felt as bad, if not worse, about myself and my penis than you do right now. That drove me to find all this stuff.

Good luck. Ask me anything you need to. Everything you need to grow is all here. It's up to you to learn it, perfect it and apply it. I will always be here to help you, as will everyone at bib's hanging forum and the good people at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. We love helping each other reach our goals."


My user name at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is MikeShlort. You can message me anytime you'd like and ask me questions if you become a member at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Matters Of Size[/words].

Here's a link to my progress thread at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?67630-Mike-Shlort-s-Journey-To-Becoming-A-Real-Man

Here's a link to an article I wrote on hanging, everything you need to start hanging (Read Posts # 191-199) : http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...hlort-s-Journey-To-Becoming-A-Real-Man/page10

And to end off, here's a message I sent a guy who was curious about pumping:

"I got fluid bad buildup when I went over board. If you do a gradual routine where you pump to a reasonable level for a reasonable amount of time and only progress in force and time in tiny increments, you will not get much or any fluid buildup. Also, jelqing in between pumping sets makes it so you have no fluid buildup - however, your expansion is not as great as if you were to just do straight sets. You'd have to do more sets to get more expansion, but as long as you're keeping at it daily, then you'll be fine. Eventually, you'll want to add a second, then a third session of pumping/jelqing in daily.

I temporarily quit girth work to focus on length, but I know when I get back into it, it will be lots of work to get to my goal girth size. I have a theory that taking breaks while working girth is a good idea, not length though. I have not tested this theory yet but it is based on the fact that I could not exceed 5.85" girth (not pumped measurement) even after a gainless month. But I still have that size. So my theory is that if I were to start pumping again, I would again gain a small amount (0.3" or so) and then plateau. So I would have to wait to start pumping again.

The theory is like bodybuilding. You train for months and you hit a plateau; your body is only going to get so big. Then once you stop working out, say you don't work out for 6 months, you are still 10-20 lbs heavier than before you started working out. This is now your base weight. So when you go back to working out, you will reach a new bigger size, since your base weight is now larger than before. The idea is that you can gain a certain amount of size past your base weight before you plateau, but if your base weight goes up in size, then you should be able to exceed your maximum from before. Exact same idea with pumping. This is how my body works, may not be the case for you.

You really have to try it out for yourself, be conservative but dedicated, and go slowly. If you're just going to mindlessly pump away with no theory of internal corpus cavernosum/spongiosum expansion and try to fill the tube then you will get buildup. But in my case, even when I did that, I still gained.

However, I had bad fluid buildup on my foreskin, which hurt and fucked up my next day's session. So I got to a point where I wanted to get in the maximum amount of work without causing any foreskin fluid buildup. A lot of the problem was that the pump I was using and the shape of my penis. I was sucked into the plastic, which is good because it causes better expansion (and is good for length gains as well - I never had any but many report it) but bad because the way me penis is shaped, my foreskin is going to be the part that is getting sucked to the top of the tube, thus causing bad fluid buildup.

Another thing you want to watch out for is your penis getting squeezed at a certain point, causing the circulation to the skin cut off. I had bad discoloration because of it, which is still there but has faded significantly. There is also permanent marks on the underside of my shaft. The problem was the pump I was using (Bathmate [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] original) would suck in the most at the bottom, around the girthiest part of my shaft - the base. So this caused the circulation to be cut off and the skin discolored. It's called "The Rings Of Death". This can be avoided by using a pumping sleeve. I think they solved this problem with the new model of [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. I did not really care about the cosmetic appearance of my penis - I was concerned with size.

I think pumping is a great tool. You just need to do it properly. Use a pump until you outgrow it and it becomes painful or causes any discoloration. I own the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] as well, which is a hell of a lot bigger. I found it gave a good pump with less fluid buildup and major base girth gains, the opposite of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words]. The expansion was less than the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] but that is just physics - the closer you are sucked into the sides of the pump, the better the suction. There was a large learning curve for the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words].

When I get back into pumping, I am going to buy several cylinder sizes - some for pumping for length, some for girth, some large for base girth etc.

Here are the two routines I used to get my permanent girth gains. They are quite basic and incorporate basic Penis Enlargement principles. Here is the link: http://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-devices-forum/46379-mikeshlort-pumping-routine.html

Here is another link on pumping which I believe is probably very good information for advanced pumping. I have not personally practiced any of the techniques outlined in this guide but I plan to once I return to pumping again. I found the link while browsing one day and saved it for when I pump again: http://vacuumpumpingguide.blogspot.ca/?zx=687ce52b1759bafb
The pictures on this site show a ton of guys pumping excessively and getting fluid buildup but judging by the size of their cocks, it seems to be working for them.

Here's a link to an exercise for head girth: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...s-Vacuum-Constricted-Boa-s-for-BIG-HEAD-Gains!!

Here is a good thread showing a guy who has pumped for 15 years with amazing EQ and minimal fluid buildup: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?13527-Pumping-Results

Hope all this helps. If you have any questions, ask me. Good luck."




I know this is a lot of strange information to take in all at once. Take your time, study it. Read it over. In the meantime, start on a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] - consisting of manual stretching and jelqs. Start light, gradually build up intensity. There are tons of threads and information about newbie exercises on the forums. Penis Enlargementgym forum has pictures for the exercises.
Once you plateau from proper manual stretching (with proper warm ups) then you move onto hanging. This could last for 2 years, hanging. But many men gain significant length from hanging.

Looking for a magic potion to inject into your penis is stupid if you haven't maximized gains from manual exercises and hanging. I could go on for an hour about how it is necessary to stretch the suspensory ligaments to full capacity in order to properly target the tunica for stretch, then start girth work (which include injections of PGE1 and possible other things in my protocol when I come to girth work - not for a long time, until hanging length gains are maximized).
Just do this: Work length before girth.
Manual stretching first.
Hanging for ligament stretch after (hanging at low angles - BTC and SD)
Hanging for tunica stretch after (hanging at high angles - OTS, SO, OTL etc)
Girth work - pumping, clamping, manual girth exercises, PGE1 injections with potentiators (ie. IGF 1, Viagra, ETC...) You gotta read up on this shit before you mess with it.

One more important thing - Kegeling during sex is what causes premature ejaculation. Kegeling = flexing your PC muscles. Your PC muscles = the muscles that stops the flow of urine when you are urinating. Stop flexing these muscles in sex and you will be able to better control your ejaculation.

I've given you lots of information. I will answer any questions you have but please do your best to research and use the links I provided to your advantage.

If you have any questions, you can email me back or send me a message at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Matters of Size[/words], my user name is MikeShlort. You will have a better chance of reaching me if you send me a message at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Matters of Size[/words], because I don't check this email often and my inbox gets flooded with notifications.

Remember, Penis Enlargement is a long time commitment. Good luck!"

 

[Ironwill1984]

Not enough?

8 sets should be plenty

 

[MikeShlort]

Sun Jan 6:

8 sets BTC
10 min flaccid jelq

I found the spot for attaching that gives me a better lig stretch but less of a tunica stretch. More of a shoulder - better lig stretch, less attachment point soreness. 1.3" from coronal ridge starting wrap and attaching almost right on the edge.

 

[ishuge]

Hey Mike i just saw the video in which you are doing injections. You definitely have some decent lig gains potential, KEEP doing the BTC

 

[Ironwill1984]

Be careful with all those injections. I take supplements sometimes, but I would never do injections.

 

[MikeShlort]

Be careful with all those injections. I take supplements sometimes, but I would never do injections.

Well I'm only 6.9x5.75 so for me it's worth the risks. Also, I was taught the procedure by a doctor

 

[MikeShlort]

Hey Mike i just saw the video in which you are doing injections. You definitely have some decent lig gains potential, KEEP doing the BTC

I hope you're right man. Another hanger said the same thing when he saw that video and Bib deemed my mirror test shots as high to medium high exit point, so I hope that's the case. My goal is 2" NBPenis EnlargementL gained. I've gone a year of manual Penis Enlargement with virtually no EL gains.

 

[MikeShlort]

Mon Jan 7:

8 sets BTC
20 min jelq - started flaccid, was about 75%-80% EQ throughout. Jelqued harder than normal because I was enjoying vein expansion. I will avoid this in the future.

Today:

Last night, can't remember if there were any erections, but today was ridiculous. Many throughout the day. Very frustrating. But I guess this is a good body clue.

On that note, I cannot wait to increase the weight. Up to 7.5lbs come Saturday (Jan 12). Then 8.5lbs following week. Possibly 11lbs the week after that, depending on how things feel.

I am at the point where I want to reach fatigue on the first or second set. I've been hanging BTC for lig gains since the second week of November and still have not reached fatigue.

I imagine my soft tissues are conditioned by now. I can hang 8 in a row and it isn't unbearable at the attachment point. Each week, 0.5lbs hardly feels heavier at all. So I want to increase more to get to that fatigue, rather than increase so slowly that I never reach fatigue and end up at 30lbs with no gains.

 

[tbone77]

I hope you're right man. Another hanger said the same thing when he saw that video and Bib deemed my mirror test shots as high to medium high exit point, so I hope that's the case. My goal is 2" NBPenis EnlargementL gained. I've gone a year of manual Penis Enlargement with virtually no EL gains.

what does that mean regarding the exit points??

 

[Ironwill1984]

Well I'm only 6.9x5.75 so for me it's worth the risks. Also, I was taught the procedure by a doctor

Mike your gains will come bro. You just have to keep at it, whether you do those injections or not, your still going to gain. goodluck

 

[MikeShlort]

what does that mean regarding the exit points??

There are three tests to determine possible gains from lig stretch (which is basically stretching the ligs to pull out inner penis):

Skin exit point. Basically means where you penis exits your body. Some guys have their penis exiting low on their body, closer to the anus. They likely have longer ligs. Some guys have their penis exiting high on their body, more towards their pelvis. The theory is the higher the skin exit point is, the more potential for lig gains.

How do you find out what your skin exit point is? Sign up a Bib's hanging forum. Take "mirror test shots" of your penis. 3 angles - one straight on, and two at each diagonal angle. You want the camera to be right at groin level and it to be a close up. I will post three examples of my mirror test shots so you can see how they look.

Then you ask Bib if he will kindly take a look at them for you to determine your skin exit point. You email him the test shots, he tells you if the test shots are good or if you need to take more, and he'll tell you what he needs to see in order to determine your skin exit point. Then he will determine your skin exit point. He determined that mine is medium high to high, therefore I have potential to gain significantly from lig stretch (fingers crossed)

LOT - Loss Of Tug (or Reduction Of Tug) correlates to this. The theory is the higher your LOT is, the more potential for lig gains.

To test LOT, you stand up and pull your flaccid penis out from your body. Start out by pulling it straight up, pointing at your face. You start to kegel and notice how far your penis pulls back when you kegel. Slowly move down while kegeling, taking note of how much your penis is pulling back. As soon as your penis starts pulling back less than it did when it was pointing straight up (12 o'clock), that is your LOT. My LOT is between 7 o'clock and 8 o'clock. You are using a clock number as a reference point. Think of your penis as the hand on the clock (hopefully not the hour hand *joke stolen from Garry Shandling*)

A higher LOT suggests short, tight ligs which have lots of potential for stretch. A lower LOT suggests longer, looser ligs that may not have as much potential for stretch. Keep in mind that LOT test is the least consistent of the 3 tests. In other words, if you have a low LOT but a high skin exit point, you likely can still gain from lig stretch.

Palpitation Test This is a test where you feel around for your inner penis to determine how much can be pulled out. This is supposedly the most accurate test - a direct measure of how much inner penis can be pulled out. I have no idea what I'm feeling for. You're supposed to find the ridge of your pelvis (or something like that) and feel from there. I can't figure that test out and it doesn't feel good for me to feel around there. So I don't know my exact amount of inner penis that can be pulled out.

Palpitation test is more accurate, then skin exit point, then LOT.

Here are the links explaining what I just tried to explain:

Mirror and Palpitation Tests: http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=131
LOT Test: http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20

Ask me any questions. Or better yet, ask Bib. I ask him about 5 questions a week on average. Only once did it take him more than 24 hours to answer my question. Usually takes him 12 hours.

Here are some examples of the mirror test shots, each angle:

 

[MikeShlort]

Mike your gains will come bro. You just have to keep at it, whether you do those injections or not, your still going to gain. goodluck

Thanks, I hope so man.

I am not injecting anymore. I will once I have maxed out my hanging gains/reached my EL goal. The reason being, I believe PGE1 and other ChemPenis Enlargement supplements work best for girth gains. I've come to this conclusion by looking at the data of gains from chem Penis Enlargement, by observing my penis during my 3 month experiment with PGE1 and just the nature of the exercise itself.

Having a prolonged erection is going to make the penis swell and "stretch" more girthwise than length wise. Not to say length won't be gained, especially with stretching and jelqing afterwards, but chem Pe seems to me to cause raw tissue growth, whereas hanging causes stretching.

I wrote a thing on this in another thread, I'll copy and paste here:

"The beauty of enlargement through PGE1 induced erections and other chemicals is it expands raw tissue mass, which is different from hanging, which stretches the tissue. In theory, one can gain additional size through chemPenis Enlargement after their hanging (stretching) gains have dried up.

My theory is this: Say a man who has never done Penis Enlargement before has the potential to gain 1.5" in EL through stretching his ligs and tunica (hanging).
Or he has the potential to gain .75" EL and 1.5" EG through jelqing, pumping and chemical Penis Enlargement. He would be wise to get all his hanging gains first, then get his chemPenis Enlargement gains. I don't see why hanging would take away from any possible gains chemPenis Enlargement can give. It is a very different way of "growing". One way is stretching the tissue, where the tissue is stretched and repairs longer, whereas chemPenis Enlargement (prolonged erections + Testosterone) breaks down the tissue from erections and exercise, then repairs bigger, sort of like bodybuilding (this is how I look at it, I could be wrong). It seems to me that someone can gain the maximum from both methods, instead of choosing just one. Doing it in the proper order is key: hanging, then chemPenis Enlargement.

I look at hanging (stretching) as something that has to be done daily. Very different from the bodybuilding approach (chemPenis Enlargement). I would think taking rest days for the chemPenis Enlargement protocol would be very beneficial, whereas with hanging, it is not. In other words, first you stretch your penis, then you "build up".

Let's take the two ultimate examples of each method:

Bib - 4 inches EL gained from hanging
Roneille - 1.5 inches EL, 2 inches EG gained from chemical Penis Enlargement (Roneille slowed down on using DHT gel because his girth was getting too large for anal sex. Very possible that he could have gained well over 2" EG)

For argument's sake, let's say all men are capable of these gains from the respective exercise. I don't see why a man wouldn't be able to gain close to 5.5" EL and 2" EG combining the two methods, in the proper order.

This is the approach I am taking and I am documenting it all. I started chemPenis Enlargement in June, aborted in late October. I commenced hanging Oct 31. I have a long time to go before a conclusion can be reached (years) but I think I will be right. I plan on hanging for 2-3 years, then 18 months with the PGE1 protocol. Some hanging and PGE1 protocol may overlap. "

Here's the post I posted before this one (to a guy who gained over an inch from manuals and 1.8" from hanging):

"Holy fuck. That is killer gaining. Well done, man. Wish I had started that young. You are entering the prime of your life with a big dick, good for you. I'll find you all the articles I typed up on chemPenis Enlargement and private message you all the info you need to get started.

In the meantime, read through my entire progress thread. Look for the posts that contain a lot of text to find the posts where I disclose information. Bookmark all the links. I even did a video of how to inject PGE1, it is in my thread, but I will type up a private message that contains all the links and resources I have on the topics of chemPenis Enlargement.

Do you feel you still have length to gain through tunica stretch? Have you gone back to lig hanging (low angles) after hanging at high angles (tunica targeting) for a long time? It's called the "seesaw effect". The theory is (theory by Bib) that as you hang at high angles, you LOT changes, and you can very well go back to lig hanging after a sufficient time hanging at high angles and have a chance at gaining more from hanging at low angles. I look at it like you're rocking your penis back and forth out of your body, very slowly. Since you are making lig bundles (which are different from the lig bundles low angled hanging attacks) longer, you may very well be able to go back and milk even more gains out of the lig bundles low angled hanging attacks.

I would also start a DMSO+Paba topical treatment on your shaft to try and make your tunica more pliable for stretch. Start right away. Kingsnake's thread has a step by step tutorial with pictures and places to get the supplements. It's about 20-30 pages back, I think. I can see how your tunica might be tougher than average, since you have likely been hanging many years. So you would want to use chemPenis Enlargement to make it pliable and supple. If you aren't in the US, you can get DMSO on ebay.

I'm not sure how your girth is, but you want to avoid big girth gains. I'm sure you know the reasons why, with hanging, since you've been doing it so long. In my opinion, PGE1 is mainly for girth gaining. In other words, I will start PGE1 when I am within 0.5" NBPenis EnlargementL of my goal size. I think most of the expansion from that is girth wise. Not to say that pumping, PGE1 and jelqing doesn't lead to length gains, just not like hanging, which is specific for length gaining.

How much more EL are you looking to gain? That is the question. To be safe, I am only going back to the PGE1 protocol once I am within 0.5" of my length goal, just to ensure I get there before making my tunica too hard to stretch with large girth and toughness. I am pretty sure that pumping + PGE1 can lead to length still, but I want to be on the safe side. I won't complain if pumping + PGE1 leads me to become 0.5" over my goal length, but I will be angry if starting it too prematurely causes me to become 1" less than my goal length.

I am not going to combine PGE1 and hanging, just for the fact of attachment point soreness and also I will be using PGE1 for girth primarily, so that conflicts with tunica hanging. I may, however, do the secondary lig hanging (as I described above) as I do my girth + PGE1 protocol, just to speed things up. That will be if I am close enough to my goal length that I won't need to worry about a secondary tunica (high angle) hanging endeavor.

Major props to you. I am proud of your dedication and success. You gained around 3 inches of length. That is intense. You are a new inspiration to me. I will help you all that I can. Keep your eye on my thread here from time to time, just in case I post any more articles on my findings. I do a lot of research, have been to a doctor regarding pe and enlargement through PGE1 injections, and I think I have figured out the ultimate approach to Penis Enlargement that will yield the most possible gains. You have been doing it right by hanging and gaining your length. If you are at or close to your goal size, now you can work girth full force. If not, you can try combining things or stick strictly to length work with the aid of tunica softening chemicals, until you become closer to your goal length.

Keep an eye on kingsnake's thread, too. He started chemPenis Enlargement this past July or so and has made lots of discoveries. I disagree with some of his points about hanging and pumping and chemPenis Enlargement at once, but one must keep in mind he gained his length before pumping and doing chemPenis Enlargement, with traditional hanging.

Also, I'll probably be asking you a bunch of questions about hanging, as I am new to it, so hopefully you'll be willing to give me some advice. My thread at Bib's is "Hang 'Til I'm Hung". I am under the same screen name at Bib's forum as well. "

His original post:

"http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpB...&sd=a&start=75 Check the pic at the middle of the page.
I am currently hanging OTS and SO starting my first set for the day @ 17.5lbs
Currently at 7.7 NBPenis EnlargementL. Started my pe career at around 5BPenis EnlargementL when i was 15-16 y/o no i am 21.

Wow thanks man Well i know about the see-saw effect. I havent hung BTC since i finished with the lig gains. Yeah i have a little bit of lig potential but i found that lig gains are mostly BPenis EnlargementL gains for me and i am looking for NBPenis EnlargementL gains.The only reason that i would get back to the lig stretching is that my ligaments are very long and since i gained a lot they are runing along to the middle of my dick, and because of that they interfere with my tunica hanging especially when i am doing RSDT FULCRUM. So thats why i am now focused on SO hanging my ligaments don't interfere that much and i am having solid fatige from it and i am gainging NBPenis EnlargementL.When my ligs start to interfere with my SO hanging i will get back and stretch them out again.Though i am pretty sure that i wont gain any substantial length from that because my penis attachment point is currently very low and it has raised very very little since i stopped the BTC hanging.
My goal is to become solid 8.5 or 8.6 NBPenis EnlargementL so i need about an inch NBPenis EnlargementL gains.My EG is currently 5.3 i am working on length only.I also have a pump i gianed 0.3 EG in two months when i first bought it and i was experimenting with hanging and pumping combined which at first gave me good results but then killed my EQ so i left the pumping for when i am finished with the length work.
My Erect Girth goal is 6-6.3
Yeah girth work plus hanging is bad in my opinion it easily kills my eq and Bib says that it is bad and could lead to pernoies. But the CHEM pe shit without the injections that you told me about which results in more pliable tunica i think will be great when combined with tunica hanging.
You can ask me whatever you like about hanging and i will help if i can.I look forward for the links that u are gonna send me, also we could chat on skype or something.I also can make a Journal when i start with the chem pe + hanging. I don't live in the US but i hope i will be able to find the chems.Also i am very happy that i inspire you.You guys here also inspire me a lot as well as with your experiments with chemicals on your dick which i wouldn't try normally.
Yeah its good that i started young Penis Enlargement has taught me lots of thing about life, i am trying very hard to keep doing it and not stop and go partying and fuck chicks.But i know i wont stop until i achieve my Penis Enlargement goals.I saw that u are doing btc now feel free to ask me anything either here or in bibs forum. "

Interesting stuff.

 

[tbone77]

we could have stunt penises, although mine is about .5 inch shorter. my ligs are pretty tight, kind of a catch 22...tight ligs are harder stretch, yet seem to have more potential...just gotta keep working at it I guess. Gonna have to start a paba/dmso routine, asap.

thanks for info, mike!

 

[MikeShlort]

we could have stunt penises, although mine is about .5 inch shorter. my ligs are pretty tight, kind of a catch 22...tight ligs are harder stretch, yet seem to have more potential...just gotta keep working at it I guess. Gonna have to start a paba/dmso routine, asap.

thanks for info, mike!

I'll admit those are flattering pictures. My flaccid usually is smaller. Let's hope not for long though.

BTW when I say lig stretch, I am meaning hanging at low angles (BTC) to stretch ligs. Or pulling manually BTC for a very long time.