Progress thread Stretch For the Stars...Land in the Cul de Sac!!!

longstretch said:
Thanks guys I'll continue to talk nerdy to ya!
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This is a quote from a member at another forum. We have been doing similar routines after reading the same science threads and studies. I felt he put these thoughts succinctly regarding heat and it's application.

Kyrpa said:
"Heat of the moment
I have already mentioned elsewhere that phenomenological modelling is the description for my contributions theory wise.

To establish direct relations between the external stimuli via stretching and the observed tissue response without trying to explain the mechanisms behind the observations.

But Tutt and Manko have somehow got me involved and I am kind of forced to open thinking behind the things I have chosen do with my dick and why.

Here is my take on studies referred in the book: Science of flexibility by Michael Alter. I had previously captured screenshots from this and took a while to remember the source again but here it is. There are few things which I rely for being crucial for the growth I have achieved with my concept.
Heat is the key, so many times mentioned here at Thunders, but I think it is not clearly understood how high temperatures are actually needed.

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous when it is heated. (Warrent et al (1971,1976)

The mechanism behind this thermal transition may be destabilization inter-molecular bonding or enhanced viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissues, possibly allowing elongation to occur with less structural damage. (Rigby 1964)
Raising the temperature of tendon above 103 F(39,7 C) increases the amount of permanent elongation that results from the initial stretching. (Laban 1962, Lehmann et al . 1970)

Above 104F (40 C) occurs thermal transition of the microstructure of the collagen, significantly enhancing the viscous stress-relaxation of collagenous tissue and allowing greater plastic deformation during stretch. (Mason and Rigby 1964, Rigby et al 1959)
According to Sapega et al (1981), stretching connective tissue at elevated temperature the condition which under the tissue cools down affects the elongation that remains after tensile stress is removed.

They based their hypothesis on Lehmann et al. (1970) , which found that after heated tissue is stretched , maintaining tensile force during cooling down significantly increasing the relative proportion of plastic deformation compared with unloading the tissue while its temperature still high.
They also speculated that cooling the tissue before releasing allows the collagenous micro-structure to re-stabilize more toward its new stretched length.
However (Hardy and Woodlal 1998) have questioned benefits the cooling while tension. Applying cold while tension it diminished all the gains made in flexibility with every study group.
Therefor applying ice during cool down is not necessary.

IMO possibly even counterproductive. Perhaps, it is better to let the tissues cool down naturally , applying the tension via manual stretching or at extender with fixed length at maximal elongation achieved during heated exercises.

In my case all above mentioned should mean that operating at 41- 43 C the tissues are able to go through plastic deformation at some degree at strains well below proportional limit, not to mention plastic region which will remain untouchable in every circumstances while enlarging our penises.

Being able to elongate BPFSL at every cycle without reaching proportional limit at the stress strain curve.

Baseline BPFSL transitioning 1 mm at time forward and starting every cycle at new fresh starting point longer than before.
Stress strain curve staying the same and tangent modulus being intact, baseline just transitioning forward due elongation
I am hugely convinced that I am not breaking anything, no micro tears , no inflammation. Even if there is minor it is not the case of the growth here. This is something else.

Heat being the topic I would like to add few advantages with the temperatures I am using.

These were posted previously in here by guy named MX and are all valid:
“Increased Metabolic Rate - Metabolic effects - Enhances healing
Increased enzymatic activity has been seen in tissues at 39-43C (102-109F)
Enzyme activity rates begin decreasing beyond 43C (here was 45 but I corrected it) and cease completely at 50C (122F).
Any increase in enzyme rate will increase the cellular biochemical processes and the uptake of oxygen resulting in accelerated healing
Increase of tissue temperature shifts the oxygen-hemoglobin dissociation curve to the right which releases more oxygen for tissue repair.

Hemoglobin releases twice as much O2 when tissue temperature is 41C. (106F) than when it is at resting temperature. “
The last paragraphs comes very important to knowledge when starting to clamp with US."
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Also the stress strain curve is a physics thing. I have never taken any physics classes. I'm posting some videos that have helped me understand the very basics.



An amateur resource directed at biomechanics of tendons and ligaments.

And basic orthopedic doctor showing what happens to collagen fibrils during stress strain curve.

One that might help tie it all together and is a bonus.
 
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REDZULU2003 said:
Brilliant stuff. Makes me want to train again.
Do you think that devices such as MOS red use those principles with regards to heat?

What equipment are those other guys using to manipulate the temperature?
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I use Cara Moist/Dry Heating Pad with Select Heat.

I use the moist heat with a temperature of 160 F to warm up with as well as heal.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
Brilliant stuff. Makes me want to train again.
Do you think that devices such as MOS red use those principles with regards to heat?

What equipment are those other guys using to manipulate the temperature.
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The MOS Red is for red light therapy not heat. Many including me have used far infrared heat lamps, however these need to be placed a few inches away from penisand are kinda dangerous if touched or dropped, they also heat surface and so you'll experience skin burning sensation sometimes. I used that for half my routine this past campaign and then I got the US unit, they are expensive, need hours of research and common sense to use properly... but it heats and heats deep! Some have modified hot tubs and other forms of moist heat are great. I was gaining before the US unit but it made it easier to heat to proper levels deeper inside the penis than just the surface.
 
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Did 4 hours vac extender work today, one session of 8 min US heat. Today will be the last day of any ADS. I'm still unsure if it's good to ADS during a decon or not. So far have not lost nor gained anything during decon. Last campaign wasn't really intense enough in my opinion to actualize delayed gains during decon though.

Wanted to get a measurement pic in, damn these are hard. Had to take my phone out of the case and that little jelly cock ring is doing nothing. I did resort to adult entertainment use but did not orgasm.

Coming up week will be hands off, it's good I'll be busy at work and then I'll start anew September 1st.

I'm still 8.03 x 5.625. Got up to 22.3 cm BPSFL unintentionally after ADS today, that's the biggest I've recorded I think. Started the day off at 21.5 cm, might be that I haven't used the extender that much and it's more of a push than a pull.
 
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longstretch said:
Did 4 hours vac extender work today, one session of 8 min US heat. Today will be the last day of any ADS. I'm still unsure if it's good to ADS during a decon or not. So far have not lost nor gained anything during decon. Last campaign wasn't really intense enough in my opinion to actualize delayed gains during decon though.

Wanted to get a measurement pic in, damn these are hard. Had to take my phone out of the case and that little jelly cock ring is doing nothing. I did resort to adult entertainment use but did not orgasm.

Coming up week will be hands off, it's good I'll be busy at work and then I'll start anew September 1st.

I'm still 8.03 x 5.625. Got up to 22.3 cm BPSFL unintentionally after ADS today, that's the biggest I've recorded I think. Started the day off at 21.5 cm, might be that I haven't used the extender that much and it's more of a push than a pull.
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I feel your pain regarding trying to get the right EQ to get measurements. If I am unable to get strong EQ, I don't measure. I just use BPFSL instead.
8 x 5 is excellent though!
 
As this gains campaign felt so easy I'm hoping and betting on achieving my goal of 8.5 BPEL soon, maybe 2 to 3 more cycles. 4 to 6 more months for some perspective. I know I'll soon turn my attention to girth.

I made a cable clamp cock coffin (or cable cuff LOL). The point of strain using a cable clamp is directly above and below cable clamp. Engorgement is also at play to some degree. This device takes into account the strain areas and is another way to take advantage of it, read further back on more uses of xeno's ideas and other torture devices. You simply slowly clamp down every other clamp thereby straining the whole shaft. This is 8 clamps I might have to go longer. I may after achieving length goal during the last length focus campaign skip the decon break and move directly into girth routine for a month before taking month off.

I simply super glued these together and even sprayed with activator to instantly harden. Might make a few double clamps in the future.
 
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I original intended to start back on the 1st but forgot about Labor Day weekend. So I'm starting back today it's been right at a month. I also have a 5 day trip coming up the 3rd week of September so that might effect this cycle.

30 min Precondition stretch in vac extender, middle 10 min US heat.
15 min A- Stretch with Bib Hardcore at 8 lbs
10 min LM, mainly V- stretch, slow cyclic stretches

Will most likely get in another extender and hanging set then strap into vsc-ads across waist for ADS.

So far BPSFL 21.5 to 22.0 cm. 2.32% strain first stretch set. If anything interesting happens during second session today I'll record it. Will try to get one session in on Saturday and then start back next Wednesday and Friday.
 
I did a second stretch set (extending with US heat for 1 hour then 15 min A- Stretch with Bib at 8 lbs) and also wore 2 PE weights afterwards for 1.5 hours while I cut grass. It only brought my BPSFL up to 22.1 cm and that was after the extending set, no further measurable increase after extending .

Still it took daily strain up from 2.32% to 2.79%.
 
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Wearing the PE weights yesterday gave me inspiration to wear my homemade cock coil today. I have 2 but can only find my ugly one today, it was the first one I made with mistakes. In the past I couldn't get this to work right in the past but I think I understand the concept better now. I'm wearing a hair tie wrap underneath. This cock coil is slightly lighter than a pound. These things are cool, can be stretched out, put a bend in it if suffering from peyronie's, and it can keep the shaft after it engorged like a cock ring. I've been wearing it 6 hours straight and counting.
 
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longstretch said:
Wearing the PE weights yesterday gave me inspiration to wear my homemade cock coil today. I have 2 but can only find my ugly one today, it was the first one I made with mistakes. In the past I couldn't get this to work right in the past but I think I understand the concept better now. I'm wearing a hair tie wrap underneath. This cock coil is slightly heavier than a pound. These things are cool, can be stretched out, put a bend in it if suffering from peyronie's, and it can keep the shaft after it engorged like a cock ring. I've been wearing it 6 hours straight and counting.
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Love the weights! Perhaps @Lightning will consider these for the store. I think the user Stonerwithaboner used these with great success. He has not been around for a while but it’s good to see that you’re doing it and see how it affects you. Thanks for the picture.
 
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