VLC Tugger, 3 different sized skin cones (I've measured and know the right one, but getting the next 2 bigger sizes), SG clip (Ron said he can make a clip to attach VLC to SG so no drilling is involved), and knee strap, so I can sleep with a light stretch as well.

I also ordered leech oil and croc oil from the Jamu shop.

The plan is to work up to 5+ hours a day (how long should this take me / how slow should I progress?) - I have time for ~5 hours a night on weekdays, and 8+ on most weekends, and to end session with Bathmate supersets, and then leech oil to end every night, and I'll apply it every morning.

I expect some huge gains within a few months.. the goal is 8-8.5 BPenis EnlargementL. I'm currently 6.5

btw, I also ordered the SG extender the other day .. I'm not even going to mess with the strap.. I got it solely for the VLC tugger set up! Hopefully I can figure it all out when everything arrives.
 
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JohnSwindle - mate thats a good plan - I wouldnt bother ordering the next two sizes up - you wont need them (IMHO) - just tell Ron the measurements and let him guide you
 
That is a serious routine you have planned!When you add the knee strap you are stretching for almost 24 hours not including the time you are pumping in the Bathmate.
Sounds like you are taking this up a level!
I'm interested to hear feedback on the leech and lizard oil...
JohnSwindle;458410 said:
VLC Tugger, 3 different sized skin cones (I've measured and know the right one, but getting the next 2 bigger sizes), SG clip (Ron said he can make a clip to attach VLC to SG so no drilling is involved), and knee strap, so I can sleep with a light stretch as well.

I also ordered leech oil and croc oil from the Jamu shop.

The plan is to work up to 5+ hours a day (how long should this take me / how slow should I progress?) - I have time for ~5 hours a night on weekdays, and 8+ on most weekends, and to end session with Bathmate supersets, and then leech oil to end every night, and I'll apply it every morning.

I expect some huge gains within a few months.. the goal is 8-8.5 BPenis EnlargementL. I'm currently 6.5

btw, I also ordered the SG extender the other day .. I'm not even going to mess with the strap.. I got it solely for the VLC tugger set up! Hopefully I can figure it all out when everything arrives.
 
Slow and steady, so when you reach your goal, your equipment will function just as good or better than when you started Penis Enlargement.

JohnSwindle;458410 said:
VLC Tugger, 3 different sized skin cones (I've measured and know the right one, but getting the next 2 bigger sizes), SG clip (Ron said he can make a clip to attach VLC to SG so no drilling is involved), and knee strap, so I can sleep with a light stretch as well.

I also ordered leech oil and croc oil from the Jamu shop.

The plan is to work up to 5+ hours a day (how long should this take me / how slow should I progress?) - I have time for ~5 hours a night on weekdays, and 8+ on most weekends, and to end session with Bathmate supersets, and then leech oil to end every night, and I'll apply it every morning.

I expect some huge gains within a few months.. the goal is 8-8.5 BPenis EnlargementL. I'm currently 6.5

btw, I also ordered the SG extender the other day .. I'm not even going to mess with the strap.. I got it solely for the VLC tugger set up! Hopefully I can figure it all out when everything arrives.
 
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Remember to order your SizeGenetics through the link in my signature to get the discount!

I will have a link later today or tomorrow for the VLC.
 
Hey everyone.. I just got the SG Extender in the mail (ordered thru DLD's links)... talk about super fast shipping! I ordered it Thursday! Didn't this thing just come from the UK??!

First impression.. wow this is some high quality equipment.. It came with Male 5 performer pills (was expecting this), and these Maximum Performance pills (didn't expect these), with DVD.

Just waiting on the leech oil and croc oil now, and ofcourse an email back from Ron so I can get the VLC, Skin cone, SG strap, and knee strap!

DLD -- There is no link to buy the VLC on Ron's site, just the VLC-X or whatever.. so I'm interested in the link.. Is shipping free?

And yes, my routine is planned out and really solid.. I expect to grow a lot.. Is .5" in EL too much to hope for if I'll be logging this many hours w/ SG, Knee Strap, Bathmate, and Leech Oil? I think it may be do able! I really haven't done much Penis Enlargement at all, so maybe I can get some good newbie gains.. I've just used the Bathmate for like 2-3 weeks and gained girth and length, but I haven't used it since.. but the gains have been permanent (it's been like a month+ since using the Bathmate).
 
hello everyone just read the entire 25 pages and you convinced me to buy a vlc with 2 cones only came to £37 this could be the best £37 ever spent hopefully.i am gaining with the extender but only slowly with the vlc and a bit of luck it should speed things up a little. now i just have to be patient and wait for my odrer to arrive .thanks guys and happy gains to you all
 
JohnSwindle;458575 said:
DLD -- There is no link to buy the VLC on Ron's site, just the VLC-X or whatever.. so I'm interested in the link.. Is shipping free?

Exactly, this is really irritating me....I have asked about the affiliation 10 times and still nothing, I am about to remove his links. There are rules on MOS and they ned to be followed.
 
To all the guys using an extender either with the VLC tugger or conventional noose or strap attachments ,check out this article...

Penis Stretching (Extender, Traction) Devices

Modern penile traction devices have conventionally been used by patients who have undergone penis lengthening surgery. In fact, such devices are so fundamental to the success of the lengthening procedure that without their consistent use during the recovery period, permanent increases are seldom made. A common misconception is that surgery produces immediate gains in length, but in reality it is through the application of post operative traction in the following months that length increases are steadily achieved.

Due to this reliance on traction to achieve results, many have questioned the validity of penis lengthening surgery. The point has rightly been raised that if traction is responsible for the majority of length increases achieved through surgery, then surely the use of a penile traction device on its own should produce similar results without the associated risks.

The Principle of Stretching

The principle behind the use of weights and stretching devices is based on the tendency of human tissue to adapt when exposed to sustained tensile force. In other words, when tissue within the body is subjected to consistent, long term stretching it grows to better deal with the stresses placed on it. The cells within the tissue are forced to divide and multiply under the strain of the applied tension, and over time this leads to an increase in tissue mass.

The whole idea of being able to permanently stretch various parts of the human anatomy may seem a little far fetched, but in reality the practice has had quite a successful track record.

Examples of Stretching in Human Culture

Over the centuries ritualistic stretching of various parts of the human body has been seen and documented in a number of cultures. Even today, various cultures throughout the world are still known to employ simple stretching methods to accentuate certain features.

Numerous African tribes for example, are well known to stretch the soft tissues of the face, in particular the lips and earlobes. The East African Maasai people, living on the borders of Kenya and Tanzania, pierce and stretch their earlobes to many times their normal size. Whilst the South West Ethiopian Mursi women insert progressively larger clay plates in their mouths to gradually stretch their lower lips to extraordinary proportions.

Most incredible of all though, are the women of the Padaung tribe in Burma, who from youth place increasing numbers of metal rings around their necks. These gradually stretch their heads from their bodies by up to an extra ten inches over the course of many years – earning them the rather apt moniker of ‘Giraffe women’.

There are even specific examples of ritualistic penis stretching to be found from around the world. Two prominent examples are provided by separate continents – India, and again, Africa.

Firstly, the Naga sect of the Sadhus, who are an itinerant group of holy men who travel the length and breadth of India, systematically stretch their penises through the use of heavy rocks. They can achieve lengths of up to 18 inches, although their goals are purely spiritual rather than for any functional purpose. In fact, the Sadhus have no preoccupation with sex and intentionally damage their penises beyond repair in an attempt to achieve spiritual enlightenment.

The African Karamojong tribe from North Eastern Uganda have been known to employ similar penis stretching techniques. From early youth they hang ever increasing numbers of circular stone disks from the end of their penises, and over the course of a number of years they can achieve penis lengths comparable to the Indian Sadhus. In order to better manage their rather monumental and impractical appendages, the Karamojong then tie their penises in knots.

It’s worth noting that although both the Karamojong and the Sadhus achieve incredible penis sizes, they in fact permanently damage their penises beyond the point of no return. Such extreme practices eventually lead to nerve and tissue damage which prevent any normal erectile function. These examples however, do give an insight into the feasibility of penis stretching. With more controlled and moderate use, modest gains in size are achievable without running the risk of injury.

Examples in Western Medicine

Not all examples of human tissue stretching are cultural. In the West, mainstream medicine employs the same stretching principles in a number of situations. As already noted, penile traction is an essential recovery aid following penis lengthening surgery, without which permanent length gains are rarely achieved. But this is just one of several examples.

Stretching techniques can also be used in cases where grafts of skin are needed. The skin on a healthy area of the body can be gradually stretched over a period of time, thereby providing flaps of skin which are then transplanted to a new area.

Furthermore, Orthopaedic surgery utilises similar techniques to lengthen limbs in an attempt to rectify congenital growth abnormalities. After surgically breaking the bone in the limb to be extended, traction is steadily applied to lengthen the limb millimetre be millimetre. Over the course of several months, this procedure can produce an increase in limb length of several centimetres, creating not only new bone but also new muscle and connective tissue. All this is achieved without damage to either the nerves or blood vessels within the limb.

Studies into the Effectiveness of Penile Stretching

Most of the other well publicized methods of penis enlargement rely heavily on the anecdotal successes of individuals for their validity. Interestingly however, there have been a number of controlled studies into the effectiveness of penile stretching. Such studies have tended to focus on a test group of men using a specific penile traction device for a predetermined length of time each day, over the course of several months.

One 1998 study, entitled ‘Tractive Elongation of the Penis by Means of Stretching’ performed by a Danish plastic surgeon, recorded an average permanent gain of 2.7 cm (just over an inch) in the erect penis length of the 18 participants. This research, conducted over three months, involved the test subjects wearing a specific traction device (the Pro Extender) for twelve hours a day, seven days a week throughout the trial.

Although the gains achieved weren’t phenomenal, the study did provide clinical, objective confirmation that traction can promote noticeable increases in penis size. When considering the controversy that surrounds the subject of penis enlargement, this type of scientific verification is a rare and welcome thing.

The Effect of Traction on Penis Girth

There is a pervasive myth that suggests that increases in penis length achieved through traction are generally accompanied by a proportionate decrease in penis girth. In other words, the longer the penis stretches the thinner it gets. However, in reality the process of traction does not substitute one for the other.

It would be true to suggest that traction does indeed place an emphasis on lengthening the penis, but this is not at the expense of penis girth. All areas within the penile shaft are placed under equal stress when traction is applied and as a result all tissue cells multiply uniformly to cope with the demand. This has been born out by clinical research into the effectiveness of another penile stretching device, which indicated test subjects achieved average increases of around ½ inch in penis girth.

Reasons Why Traction Promotes Greater Gains in Length than Girth

The discrepancy between length and girth increase is probably due to the fact that traction also gradually stretches the suspensory ligament that anchors the penis to the pubic bone and holds a portion of the penile shaft internally. In fact, the penis extends for several inches behind the pubic bone. By stretching the ligament that maintains the position of the internal part of the penile shaft, this hidden length is gradually exposed – creating additional visible and functional length.

Surgical penis lengthening actually involves severing the suspensory ligament to allow this externalization of the internal penis. However, it would seem that stretching the ligament through traction is equally if not more effective. One of the main drawbacks of the surgical technique is that scar tissue formation following the procedure tends to retract the penis back into the body – negating the gains that would otherwise have been achieved.
Traction therefore promotes length gains through two distinct processes. Firstly by creating additional tissue mass as cells within the penis multiply in number in response to the stress placed on them. Secondly, additional visible length is achieved by gradually exposing a portion of the internally held penile shaft due to the stretching of the suspensory ligament. Gains in penis girth on the other hand, are only achieved through the one process i.e. the division of cells within the penis. As a result of this dual process, gains in length tend to be far more pronounced and noticeable.

Potential Problems

A major concern most men have when debating whether to try a penile stretching device regards the safety issues involved. There is certainly a great deal of negative propaganda to be found on the Web regarding potential injury risks associated with this method of penis enlargement. The majority however, is highly inaccurate and tends to be spun by commercial sites with a vested interest in propagating misinformation in order to sell their own alternative product.

The main concerns usually revolve around the potential for either penile nerve damage or alternatively, problems resulting from restricted blood flow to the glans (head) of the penis. However, such complications are unlikely in the extreme if due care is taken and a good quality traction device is used.

These problems have only been documented in cases where crude home made devices have been used to hang excessive amounts of weight from the penis. For example, tying a piece of string in a noose behind the head of the penis and then hanging gym weights pendulum style is undoubtedly a bad idea. The noose is likely to tighten, which in turn places pressure on the main dorsal nerve running along the top of the penile shaft and also prevents normal blood flow to the penis head.

In the worst case scenario, long-term sustained exposure to such abuse could cause problems. The dorsal nerve may suffer irreversible damage, leading to a partial lose of penile sensation or in extreme cases even impotence. Cutting off the blood flow to the penile head for extended periods over several months could also well lead to tissue damage. But these are the extremes and you would certainly experience severe pain, numbing or swelling to alert you to the fact you were doing something wrong well before you risked permanent damage.

Although these dangers are often quoted, in reality using a well designed traction device is perfectly safe. Modern devices attach to the head of the penis with surgical grade silicone tubing that prevents pressure being placed on the dorsal nerve and also ensures proper blood circulation is maintained - even during periods of extended use. Furthermore, they provide precisely controlled and adjustable levels of tensile force (usually of a range from 1 – 4 lbs) that fall well within safety ranges.

Workings of a Modern Device

The latest generation of penile traction devices are quite simple, but sophisticated in design. They rely on providing very precise levels of tension in order to ensure both safe usage and optimum results.

Their basic framework consists of a plastic ring that encircles the base of the penis, from which two adjustable metal rods run down either side of the penile shaft. These two metal rods connect at the other end to a flexible loop made from surgical silicone tubing, which fastens onto the end of the penis just behind the glans (head). Once secured to the penis, the metal rods are adjusted to apply a measured level of traction, ranging in predetermined increments from around 1 – 4 lbs.

Usage

Penile traction devices are generally worn continuously for a number of hours each day, although some find it more practical to break daily usage into several shorter sessions. The length of each daily session however, is entirely up to individual preference and has little bearing on eventual gains.

Results are ultimately determined by the total accumulated hours of usage over the entire course of treatment. To illustrate the point, applying traction for two hours a day over six months will typically produce the same end results as a three month regime consisting of daily four hour sessions. In simple terms, the longer the device is worn each day, the quicker gains tend to be achieved.

In fact, with lifestyle permitting such devices can be safely worn for as many as twelve hours per day. The most important point however, is to ensure consistent daily usage rather than intermittently applying traction for long but irregular marathon sessions. It’s worth noting though that modern devices tend to be designed with practicality in mind. They generally fit inconspicuously under loose clothing and don’t interfere with normal everyday activities.

Proper rest periods between daily traction sessions are of course equally important to ensuring steady progress. Whilst the physical act of applying traction to the penis provides the stimulus for growth, it is during the interspersed periods of rest that recovery and regeneration of the stressed penile tissue occurs. It is for this reason that daily traction sessions should never exceed the recommended twelve hour upper limit.

Choosing a safe and effective device

Until recently, the use of a high quality penile traction device remained prohibitively expensive; and was reserved mainly for patients who'd undergone penis lengthening surgery. Their status as medical apparatus together with development costs and a limited client base all helped to keep prices high.

However, as their effectiveness as a stand alone method of penis enlargement has become increasingly acknowledged and their popularity has accordingly risen - prices have dropped dramatically.

A good example of this is the Jes Extender, a medically certified device originally developed by a Danish Plastic Surgeon in the late 1990’s. Until fairly recently, this high end penile traction device carried a rather hefty $1000 price tag. However, as popularity has soared over the last few years, prices have fallen to around the $300-400 mark.

Although launched over a decade ago, the Jes Extender is in fact, still considered to be the gold standard by which all other devices are judged. Not only was it the first penis extender to gain medical certification and approval, but it's also the device that has been subjected to the most successful clinical research.

What's more, DanaMedic (the company behind the Jes Extender) continues to lead the market in terms of new innovations. For example, they recently pioneered a more functional alternative to the usual silicone noose that you'll see on most devices. Their new 'comfort strap' system provides a more reliable and secure method of attachment, as well as increased comfort when wearing the device for extended periods of time – all of which ultimately equates to longer wearing times and therefore, quicker results.

Buying the Jes Extender

Because the Jes Extender has proved so reliable and popular (DanaMedic report that over 250,000 have been sold to date) the original device is resold by a number of companies under different brand names – the most reputable of which are Pro Extender and SizeGenetics.

You'll also find many other websites offering similar looking devices under a variety of other brand names – but to be sure you're getting the genuine article it's advisable to buy directly from either DanaMedic or one of the well established resellers mentioned above.

One good reason to buy directly from DanaMedic in particular, is that you'll save a fair amount of money. The 'original' Jes Extender (the exact same version sold by all three companies) costs 199 Euros (approximately $250) bought from DanaMedic. The same device bought through SizeGenetics costs $389.85 (available at MOS for $165), whilst the Pro Extender costs $429.99. Obviously, resellers act as 'middlemen' and this inflates the cost somewhat.

Out of the two main resellers, SizeGenetics currently offers the best value added package. The company bundles the device with a good penile exercise program, which can certainly help to accelerate gains if you're prepared to use the two methods in tandem. They also provide one of the better guarantees whereby they'll refund the cost of the device if you don't see permanent improvements within 120 days. SizeGenetics even offer to reimburse the cost of the device on receipt of genuine 'before and after' photos.


The New Male Edge Device

An attractive alternative to buying the Jes Extender is the new Male Edge device – which is in fact, produced by the same company as the Jes Extender - DanaMedic.

With the new Male Edge, DanaMedic have completely redesigned the Jes Extender from the ground up in order to offer substantially improved functionality and performance, whilst maintaining an extremely competitive price. The top end Male Edge Pro for example costs just 169 Euros (approximately $210).

Having had a first hand look at the device, this 'next generation' penis extender really does have a host of new features that simplify use, improve comfort and increase power.

Firstly, the Male Edge is substantially lighter than the Jes Extender thanks to its new high density polymer construction – which replaces many of the Jes Extender's metal parts.

The lighter design helps to make the device less obtrusive and certainly increases comfort when worn for extended periods. Just as importantly though, this lighter design doesn't affect built quality or durability. Although the construction may seem a little 'plasticy' on first impressions, it is in fact extremely robust and carries the same two year warranty as the original Jes Extender.

DanaMedic have also discarded the multi-part construction used by the Jes Extender (and all other traction device) – a move that has made the Male Edge device much more straightforward to use right out of the box.

The brand new all-in-one construction requires no assembling or alteration; and automatically adjusts to fit penis lengths from between 1.6 and 9.5 inches. Without the need to add or remove additional components such as elongation bars or tension springs, the device is certainly more convenient to use and should provide trouble-free operation throughout the enlargement process.

In addition, the Male Edge incorporates a brand new tension adjustment system, developed to provide effortless changes to the level of traction applied to the penis.

This new 'click mechanism' replaces the traditionally used tension springs (which can wear out) and tension adjustment screws (which can be both fiddly to operate and may require frequent adjustment.)

Once in place, incremental adjustments to the level of traction are now made by simply pulling gently on the elongation bars, which then click into place with each incremental change. Not only is this a far less complicated system to operate, but also seems to provide slightly more consistent traction levels – with no need to further tweak the tension level once the device is set up for the session.

The most significant improvement to the new Male Edge extender however, is that it can exert almost double the level of traction in comparison to competing devices – making it the most powerful penis traction device on the market. Whilst most traction devices exert a maximum of 1.5kg of stretching force, the Male Edge device now offers a massive 2.8kg.

Resent research into penile traction shows that increased levels of traction above the standard 1.5kg level do accelerate growth, whilst still remaining well within safety margins. The substantially improved traction levels of the Male Edge device, combined with its very secure attachment system (DanaMedic's new comfort strap) in my opinion produces a powerful stretch along the length of the penis that feels extremely positive; and which could well promote faster gains.

The new Male Edge does seem to provide a massive leap forward in traction device technology. Its usability, performance and power are quite obviously far ahead of its closet rivals – including the Jes Extender. When you also consider that the device has been developed by DanaMedic, the preeminent company in the field, the fact that the Male Edge is substantially cheaper than the rest of the competition is quite staggering.

Summary

For many men, the use of a penile traction device is an attractive proposition when compared to alternative methods of penis enlargement. For example, the method requires far less commitment than a natural exercise regime and has none of the potential pitfalls associated with surgery.

It is of course still important to ensure consistent daily usage of the device. Once attached to the penis however, very little in the way of active participation is needed – apart perhaps from periodically checking to ensure the device is properly secured.

One of the main benefits of modern penile traction devices is that they apply consistent, but relatively low levels of tension to the penis. Safety is therefore maintained, whilst producing steady gains.

With several months of daily usage, gains of an inch or more in penis length are common and are equally noticeable in both the erect and flaccid state. Gains in penis girth tend to be slightly less pronounced, with the typical increase in circumference being around ½ an inch. Contrary to popular myth however, the use of traction certainly does not result in a loss of girth.

Although not a quick fix solution, consistent use of traction tends to promote steady permanent increases in penis size over the course of several months. It offers a viable method of penis enlargement for those interested in achieving their goals in a gradual, methodical manner.

It explains the process of how the penis grows using this device and at the end talks about using higher tension for faster gains.
 
No problem!


The article explains there are 2 ways of growing from an extender:
1.stretching the penis tissue and then new cells divide to make new tissue both in length and girth
2.stretching the ligaments at the base and pulling new penis out for more length gains

The 2 most important factors in gains from the extender use are length of time under tension and the amount of tension.A study was done where guys under higher tension got faster gains.

shavenasian;458847 said:
Good article - thanks for sharing
 
What has given me hope is that due to many other commitments, I can only get in 2-3 hours a day - if I had time and the opportunity, I would wear it 12 hours a day - the article is pretty clear that this will result in gains although at a slower pace. That works for me as it gives my girl time to get used to my growing cock.
 
shavenasian;459019 said:
What has given me hope is that due to many other commitments, I can only get in 2-3 hours a day - if I had time and the opportunity, I would wear it 12 hours a day - the article is pretty clear that this will result in gains although at a slower pace. That works for me as it gives my girl time to get used to my growing cock.


Wanted to thank you for your total commitment to this brotherhood! You are a very honorable guy!
 
DLD no need to thank me - as you said - this is a brotherhood - we use our collective experiences and knowledge to help and support each other.
 
alright, so I'm using this as well now.
My YourSkin Cone kinda touches the bars on the right and gets a bit compressed by them? Should I worry about that? Anyone else experience that?
shavenasian, you're even bigger than I am, does this occur to you too?
 
SirKyle - yes it does happen to me as well. I just ignore it, and just get on with it. In an ideal world you would be able to get a SG for those with a bigger girth/thicker cock - with the bars furthur apart. Until then, I just get on with it. The real super bummer is that I love to use a Vacuum Pump - both for Penis Enlargement, masturbation and for a quick burst of girth if my girl wants it. It now means I cant use my pump before I use the SG as my cock gets compressed by the bars at both ends, and the hole in th SG feels a tad too snug - I blame DLD for letting me know how to grow my cock!!!
 
SirKyle,
Same happens to me...its not a problem

Shavenasian,
The base of my cock is getting very snug in my SG from stretching out .
Does anyone know if SG offers a bigger base for larger girth or if there is any mods for this problem?

My base girth is 5 1/2" and its starting to be a problem.What do guys with larger girth do?
 
I tried putting a babysock there (look for the mod) to avoid pinching.
X4 Extender has a Girth base, but it's very costly.
 
I have an ace bandage wrap on my SG base but the more I gain the thicker cock base gets and its getting very restricted down
there :(

Does the 4X EXtender base still fit the rest of the SG parts ...I'm thinking no cause if the bars have to be wider apart then the SG head piece is not going to fit.

SirKyle;459336 said:
I tried putting a babysock there (look for the mod) to avoid pinching.
X4 Extender has a Girth base, but it's very costly.
 
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