The snake man's chemical PE log

Hey KS what do you think about adding Phosphatylcholine to the dmso mix. Its known to increase igf-1 and when taken orally has always helped with my EQ.

Hey Snake for your hanging sets with the vac hanger did you need to buy the vac pump and the other accessories in the system in order to hang the 10 pounds or is the Vac-U-Grip by itself only necessary in order to hold the weight without the air pump? And also have you tried hanging heavier than 10pounds on the vac hanger?

Hey Ramrod360. Right now I just hang for 1 hour straight with the vac hanger since Im only hanging 5 pounds right now. Once the weights start getting heavie like 10 pounds and up, then I’ll start breaking it up to avoid blisters.

With vitamin E, powdered acetyl-carnitine, arginine , the purpose is for them to help prevent and reverse tunica scarring and soften the tunica. The arginine is to increase nitrix oxide which will in return increase blood flow to the penile organ.

Hey thebrightestday. Supplements like tribulus won’t help that much but it’s better then nothing. If you’re trying to go the route of testosterone to help with penis size then DHT gel is your best bet since DHT is the direct hormone that’s responsible for the sexual functions of the penis including size. Right now only Andractim is open to the public to buy from what I know. There are some folks out there that make 10% DHT gel though.

Hey Falcon88. My cocktail consist of 2 injections a day. The first injection in the morning is 20 to 60 mcgs of MGF, 100 mcgs of tb-500, and 50 mcgs of sterile water all back loaded into the same syringe for injection.

My second injection cocktail in the evening is 20 to 40 mcgs of igf-des, 100 mcgs of tb-500, 10 to 20 mcgs of PGE1 and 40 to 50 mcgs of sterile water.

With vegf Im actually doing more research on it to see if it’s safe to use based on my skype chat consultation with Ronielle.

With IGF yes it needs to be cycled but if you injected igf-des with it’s shorter half life and put a cock ring on as the peptide does it’s thing, systematic down regulation won’t happen for a long time. IGF-LR3 will cause down regulation a lot sooner then IGF-DES.

Hey mike65. I haven’t bought the vac pump. Just the vac u grip by itself has served me good with hanging at my heaviest 7 pounds. For hanging 10 pounds and up the air pump will be need to increase pressure thus creating a stronger grip.

Hey xsteedx. I take regular choline with my supplements but Im not sure about it’s use if applied topically to the penis. I’ll have to research it before getting back with you bro.


Ok guys. My Andracam aka 2.5% DHT gel arrived on Sunday. I've been using it ever since. I've been applying it to my penis twice a day with my DMSO/PABA treatments. I apply 4 drops on the shaft then rub it in and let it sit for 10 minutes. Afterwards I apply my dmso/paba treatement. The dmso drags any remaining DHT gel left on my skin straight through into the penis, while the paba stops any potential scarring from injections.

So far I don't feel any different. Nothing to report with the use of DHT gel but it's too soon to tell since I only started Sunday. Still hitting my Penis Enlargement training hard and heavy. Will be making a few changes to my routine though. I'll explain tomorrow.

Hey, KS, thanks for the reply. What is Ronielle telling you about the VEGF? Are you planning to take the plunge? I've been looking at prices for it and I see it ranging anywhere from $2,300 to $4,000 for 1 mg. Some serious money there. Shit better be magic. Also, what's the difference between MGF and MGF-DES?

kingsnake;532673 said:

Hey Ramrod360. Right now I just hang for 1 hour straight with the vac hanger since Im only hanging 5 pounds right now. Once the weights start getting heavie like 10 pounds and up, then I’ll start breaking it up to avoid blisters.

With vitamin E, powdered acetyl-carnitine, arginine , the purpose is for them to help prevent and reverse tunica scarring and soften the tunica. The arginine is to increase nitrix oxide which will in return increase blood flow to the penile organ.

Hey thebrightestday. Supplements like tribulus won’t help that much but it’s better then nothing. If you’re trying to go the route of testosterone to help with penis size then DHT gel is your best bet since DHT is the direct hormone that’s responsible for the sexual functions of the penis including size. Right now only Andractim is open to the public to buy from what I know. There are some folks out there that make 10% DHT gel though.

Hey Falcon88. My cocktail consist of 2 injections a day. The first injection in the morning is 20 to 60 mcgs of MGF, 100 mcgs of tb-500, and 50 mcgs of sterile water all back loaded into the same syringe for injection.

My second injection cocktail in the evening is 20 to 40 mcgs of igf-des, 100 mcgs of tb-500, 10 to 20 mcgs of PGE1 and 40 to 50 mcgs of sterile water.

With vegf Im actually doing more research on it to see if it’s safe to use based on my skype chat consultation with Ronielle.

With IGF yes it needs to be cycled but if you injected igf-des with it’s shorter half life and put a cock ring on as the peptide does it’s thing, systematic down regulation won’t happen for a long time. IGF-LR3 will cause down regulation a lot sooner then IGF-DES.

Hey mike65. I haven’t bought the vac pump. Just the vac u grip by itself has served me good with hanging at my heaviest 7 pounds. For hanging 10 pounds and up the air pump will be need to increase pressure thus creating a stronger grip.

Hey xsteedx. I take regular choline with my supplements but Im not sure about it’s use if applied topically to the penis. I’ll have to research it before getting back with you bro.


Ok guys. My Andracam aka 2.5% DHT gel arrived on Sunday. I've been using it ever since. I've been applying it to my penis twice a day with my DMSO/PABA treatments. I apply 4 drops on the shaft then rub it in and let it sit for 10 minutes. Afterwards I apply my dmso/paba treatement. The dmso drags and remaining DHT gel left on my skin straight through into the penis, while the paba stops any potential scarring from injections.

So far I don't feel any different. Nothing to report with the use of DHT gel but it's too soon to tell since I only started Sunday. Still hitting my Penis Enlargement training hard and heavy. Will be making a few changes to my routine though. I'll explain tomorrow.

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Im sure we can make great progress together as we share knowledge and experience.

Can't wait.

I am all ears listening to and learning from you guys. I'm especially open to chemical pe as my sense is that will ultimately be the ticket.

At the very least, I believe a solid chem regimen will automatically add girth. In addition, I also believe it will make extending and exercises almost effortless compared to not using injections.

I say this based on my extensive experience with hgh where, if you do it right, it feels like the gh is almost doing your workout for you!

Even though I don't have anywhere near the Penis Enlargement experience you guys have, I have TWICE the life experience (of at least snake) so I'm gonna just go on record and say it-

There will come a time when you will come up with a chem protocol that produces NO pain. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

And, in the not too distant future.

As much as I'm sure we all respect your dedication, I'm satisfied most of that pain is unnecessary. It just doesn't sit right with me.

Ks you don't use the snake hanger any more? If not why you stop

Hey regtam25. I stopped using the snake hanger because with the constant pge1 soreness that my dick goes through, I can’t tolerate the pain from old school compression style hangers right now whole doing chemical Penis Enlargement. Vacuum based hangers allow for just suction force to grip my glans and shaft for comfortable hanging while on this protocol.

Hey Falcon88. With VEGF administration of it was to be handled with care from what I’m learning. VEGF is actually more dangerous to use if you have any cancer cells then any other growth factor peptide because VEGF creates new blood vessels and blood pathways in tissues that are starving of oxygenated blood.

I’ve learned for VEGF to work on whatever tissue it’s administered on, that tissue has to be receiving a poor blood supply thus sending the stress single for the body’s natural VEGF to come into play to help upgrade the starving tissue’s vascular system.

If the tissue is already receiving blood from having good vascular pathways then I’m thinking VEGF will not chance anything. There has to be a lack of oxygen to the tissues to send out the distress signal for VEGF to work.

I have a theory that if one were to do a few semi erect clamping sets to completely cut off blood circulation in 10 to 15 minute sets, then administer VEGF, the effects would be enhanced.

Still researching VEGF. We need to find out what dosage this growth compound needs to be administered in and what frequency to do so.

For your other question it’s IGF-DES. Not MGF-DES. To learn about MGF and IGF-DES do a google search to get general knowledge but here’s some info from me.

MGF is a form of igf but with MGF meaning mechano growth factor this peptide is naturally released in muscles that have been just trained and damaged. Mgf causes immediate stem cell activation and cell proliferation in skeletal muscle and smooth muscle. With the penis being composed of smooth muscle Mgf is able to attach to receptor sites in the penis to cause stem cell division. Where talking thousands to millions of new stem cells being created with each injection. With all of these new stem cells they don't have a purpose yet. MGF only works on recently damaged tissues which is why bodybuilders use it immediately post workout. This is the reason why I inject it into my penis immediately after I’m done with my morning Penis Enlargement workout.

Now with IGF-DES OR IGF-RL3, these peptides cause hyperplasia to a smaller degree but mainly they cause cell differentiation. This means that the igf turns the new stem cells into a permanent cell type. So with skeletal muscle the new stem cells created by mgf get turned into muscle cells after igf therapy. The same thing happens in the penis. After new stem cells are created in the penis after mgf therapy they don't have a purpose or cell type yet. Hours later the igf-des therapy differentiates the new cells turning them into smooth muscle cells.

So basically MGF proliferates and IGF differentiates.

Hey bigdaddy777. It’s funny you say that hopefully a protocol will be pain free, because I’m actually about to take the pain to a whole new level unfortunately. I'll explain on this in a moment after I address Ramrod360's question.

Hey Ramrod360. With the ratio, I don’t have one yet bro. I have mixed vitamin E, powdered acetyl-carnitine and arginine just yet. I’m still researching to see if these supplements will be able to dissolve in DMSO and if there molecular structure is small enough to be carried through the skin with DMSO as the carrier.

Ok guys. So far it’s been 6 days since I’ve been using DHT cream. So far I’ve noticed that my flaccid penis feels more dense and heavy but that’s about it so far. No libido increase or erect size increase so far. It’s still too early to look for results but that’s my status report with DHT so far. I’ve been applying 4 drops of DHT gel on the shaft and rubbing it in, letting it sit on my penis for 10 to 15 minutes. I then apply dmso/paba on it to drag any remaining dht into the penis. I do this twice a day. Once in the morning and once in the evening during my chemical erection workout.

Now after having a Skype convo with Ronielle I realized that by finding ways of using the least amount of pge1 for a 2 to 3 hour erection is the wrong way to go about this. The thing is pge1 unlinks collagen bonds in the tunica which weakens it and makes it extremely susceptible to enlargement through stretch force.

The more pge1 floating in the penis, the better. I’ve been doing my pge1 erections at night time since my body responds better allowing me to use a small dosage to avoid the pain but, I’m short changing myself with 10 mcgs. As you guys know I’ve been avoiding going beyond 12 mcgs because of the pain associated with the pge1 erection. BIG MISTAKE from what I’ve learned during my Skype confo.

The fact of the matter is. When you get injured. Lets say punched in the face and left with a broken jaw. Your jaw becomes inflamed and your body releases natural pge1 to the injury site to diolate the blood vessels so fresh blood can get to the injury site and start the repair process. The massive pain at the injury site is partially because of the pge1 being released in the area for blood vessel expansion.

Now when injected into the penis, pge1 is a massive vasodilator, forcing an erection for a certain length of time depending on how large the dosage. PGE1 excites the nerve endings of the penis, especially right below the glans and through out the shaft causing pain for most men. So basically you can look at PGE1 as liquid PAIN.

I’ve been trying to avoid this liquid pain but I’ve learned that I need to be trying to move up in mcgs with PGE1 slowly so massive amounts of pge1 is circulating through the penis during the erection delinking collagen bonds at a massive rate.

Coughroniellecough has told me that I need to slowly climb my way up to 100mcgs and beyond of pge1 for this much pge1 will delink a shit ton of collagen bonds making the tunica like puddy. Being erect for 3 to 4 hours does cause biomechanical creep and angiogenesis in the penis since the organ is being put under an internal pressurized boner for 3 to 4 hours with the cause of the internal pressure being nutrient filled oxygenated blood. However, it’s the massive amounts of PGE1 delinking the tunica that makes the tunica weak enough to give in to the internal pressure of the erection for permanent enlargement. Coughroniellecough had reached past 300 mcgs of PGE1 during his 4 year journey and had to add other vasodilators to get a decent length erect response.

So basically I’m going to bite the bullet here and man up with pge1. In the evening it takes about 20 mcgs of pge1 for a 1 ½ to 2 hour erection at about 60 to 75% erect most of the time but at night time it takes 10 mcgs for a 2 to 3 hour erection. I will be returning to doing my chemical erections in the evening. Starting tomorrow I will inject 25 mcgs of pge1 which is the highest amount I’ve ever injected, hoping for a good 3 hour or more erection. The pain is going to be excruciating but to hell with the pain. I just have to be strong minded and strong willed to deal with it. No more playing around. If 25 mcgs doesn’t give me at least 2 hours of solid wood with another hour of being 60 to 70% erect then I’ll move up to 28 to 30 mcgs the next time.

We want the penis swimming in pge1 for maximum tissue elasticity and collagen delinking of the tunica. Not to mention PGE1 actually increases DHT receptors in the penis so the increase in pge1 should make my penis more sensitive to the DHT gel treatments I’m implementing.

I will also be taking more evening primrose oil caps and borage oil caps since these two supplements increase the body’s natural PGE1.

My new found interest in not running away from the pain of pge1 has also come from rereading Dr Adam’s chemical pe patent. Some good info in this patent fellas. Some of the test subjects were not just doing 3 to 6 hour chemical erections. Most of these test subjects where also receiving testosterone injections directly into the penis not to mention the pregnancy hormone called relaxant which increases elasticity of male and female genitals.

Here’s a link to the original chemical Penis Enlargement patent by Dr Adams. Definitely a good read fellas. In the link though it seems that Dr Adams is against pumping but I'm all for pumping. Pumping serves an important place in my Penis Enlargement protocal.

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20100112027


Here’s a direct quote in the patent on one of the test subjects called EXAMPLE 1.

EXAMPLE 1

“[0080]A male patient, age 41, was treated with intracavernosal injections of a vasodilator, prostaglandin E1, on a regular basis (approximately four to five times per week) over an 18 month treatment period. A sufficient quantity was administered to maintain a prolonged engorgement of an erectile response between 40-75% over a period of several hours, generally 3 to 6 hours. The quantity of medication was adjusted from time to time in accordance with the patient's response, which was monitored at least weekly.

[0081]The size of the patient's fully erect penis increased from 5.8 inches to 8.6 inches in length (about an 48% increase) and 3.7 inches to 5.8 inches in girth (about an 56% increase) over the 18-month treatment period. Following the discontinuation of this treatment, the erect penis length remained stable for two years at over 8 1/2 inches. Treatment was re-institued combining intracavernosal injections 3-4 times per week of a mixture of testosterone (0.5 mg) and vasodilators with low dose oral Potaba (500-1000 mg) 3-4 times per day. After a short treatment period of 2 1/2 months, the patient's erect penis was over 9 inches in length, which means he has gained an additional 0.4-0.5 inches in length (about an 6% increase). The total increase in length was therefore about 3.2 inches (about an 55% increase) in length.”

The patent has 10 more test subjects in it showing there protocol and there results so read the whole article in the link I posted above. Good stuff.

Wait why did this man increase his length by over 3 inches yet u have yet to gain a noticeable amount lengthwise? Law of diminishing returns considering you likely already have high dht levls??

Where can you buy relaxin?

Hey Kingsnake
I found this comment on andractim DHT, what do you think on this HPT suppression?

Andractim is a transdermal DHT preparation. However, IMO, there's a few problems with it:
It is too stong. You'll notice that it comes in 2.5% only. Compare this with the strength of T preparations, and then notice that desired serum DHT levels are considerably lower than T levels. If you use a 1% gel to achieve a level of ~700 ng/dL, why would you use a 2.5% gel to achieve a level of ~70ng/dL?
The preparation is hydroalcoholic; if you look at studies where its pharmacokinetics are discussed, you'll see that you absorb it quite rapidly.
A strong preparation that is quickly absorbed is doubly bad for achieving stable serum levels. With a sharp peak and trough, you stand a good chance at either getting no effect, or causing HPT suppression. (Yes, transdermal DHT can cause suppression)

Is it any wonder that this drug is not widely used? I've read about men who try to use it for gynecomastia (as directed by a clinic in Cyprus that pedals this stuff through a website), and end up completely suppressing their HPT. In the medical literature, the only thing I've seen it used for is scrotal application in newborns with ambiguous genitalia. As far as the clinic in Cyprus goes: you'll notice that they require you buy multiple tubes the first time (a purchase that is quite a lot of money). Somehow, I don't think that they are relying on repeat customers... Worse yet, these guys are actually marketing the product to women as a libido booster. How's that for medical ethics? Bearded ladies anyone?

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Hey MFOMNI. I’m thinking I haven’t made any length gains with my protocol so far because I’m not using enough hanging weight or it could be that I’ve simply haven’t put in enough time with my chemical erections for length gains to come. Girth gains have been great though.

Hey bigdex28. I’m not sure where to get relaxin. They don’t make human relaxin anymore in the US. A search for over seas suppliers has to be done to fine this stuff.

Hey thebrightestday. All forms of anobolics can cause htp suppression. The key to fixing this is a good post cycle therapy treatment to get your natural hormone levels kicking again. With DHT gel I’m only using a small amount. About 2.5 grams a day. I may start using the recommended dosage of 5 grams in the future though because to be honest I haven’t noticed much of anything with DHT so far. Not even an increase in libido.

The plan is to do My DHT cycle for 1 month on 1 month off protocol. Hopefully with each 1 month cycle I’ll have gains to report. So far I’m on week number 2 with DHT gel.

Ok fellas. Yesterday for my pge1 erection workout. I injected the most amount of pge1 I’ve ever done which is 25 mcgs of pge1. The result was a 70 to 80% painful erection for 1 ½ hours. I edged for 30 minutes to keep my erection going for a 2 hour erection. It sucks because it only takes 10 mcgs of pge1 for me to get a 2 hour painless erection when injected at night time close to bed.

I’m now injecting in the evenings since my tolerance is higher thus resulting in a higher dosage of pge1 for a 2plus hour erection. I’m purposely injecting in the evenings to purposely need a higher dosage so more pge1 will be local in the shaft delinking collagen bonds in the tunica to a greater extent. So since 25 mcgs didn’t give me a 3 hour erection like I wanted, my next dose will be 30 mcgs. Bring on the pain I guess. LOL.

Also I’m now using a different ADS device besides the weighted sleeve. I am now using a sleeve attached to a bungee cord which is attached to a Velcro strap that wraps around my leg for a constant 1 to 5 pound pull when standing and even sitting down. The down side to the 1 pound weighted sleeve I was using in the past was I only got tension when I was standing up so the weight could hang. Now I can sit all day at work with constant tension being applied to my penis under my pants.

With my new ADS I can sit, stand, lye down or do whatever and constant tension remains on the penis. I’m hoping with my new ADS device, length gains will start picking back up since with this device I'll be getting 8 to 12 hours of constant tension on the penis in between my Penis Enlargement workouts. We’ll see.

Hey kingsnake where did you bought that ADS?

kingsnake;533011 said:

Here’s a direct quote in the patent on one of the test subjects called EXAMPLE 1.

EXAMPLE 1

“[0080]A male patient, age 41, was treated with intracavernosal injections of a vasodilator, prostaglandin E1, on a regular basis (approximately four to five times per week) over an 18 month treatment period. A sufficient quantity was administered to maintain a prolonged engorgement of an erectile response between 40-75% over a period of several hours, generally 3 to 6 hours. The quantity of medication was adjusted from time to time in accordance with the patient's response, which was monitored at least weekly.

[0081]The size of the patient's fully erect penis increased from 5.8 inches to 8.6 inches in length (about an 48% increase) and 3.7 inches to 5.8 inches in girth (about an 56% increase) over the 18-month treatment period. Following the discontinuation of this treatment, the erect penis length remained stable for two years at over 8 1/2 inches. Treatment was re-institued combining intracavernosal injections 3-4 times per week of a mixture of testosterone (0.5 mg) and vasodilators with low dose oral Potaba (500-1000 mg) 3-4 times per day. After a short treatment period of 2 1/2 months, the patient's erect penis was over 9 inches in length, which means he has gained an additional 0.4-0.5 inches in length (about an 6% increase). The total increase in length was therefore about 3.2 inches (about an 55% increase) in length.”

The patent has 10 more test subjects in it showing there protocol and there results so read the whole article in the link I posted above. Good stuff.

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It's amazing that the patient actually grew at a faster rate during the second phase when testosterone was added to the treatment and after he was already at a very large size. Also, he was supplementing with a relatively small amount of testosterone only 2 mg weekly; a typical healthy 25 year old male produces about 7 to 12 mg daily.

Hey stupidick. I got the new ADS from the gripsystem.com again. I'll be posting pics of it either today or tomorrow.

Hey agent7x6. Yeah with the addition of testosterone all male characteristics are inhanced. The maintainence and funtionality of the penis is all regulated by DHT levels bro. If you naturally have high DHT levels with little estrogen in the system all of your male charactestics that makes you a male will be higher then that of a man with with normal or lower DHT levels. Growth hormone and igf levels play a big factor as well.

Ok guys so yesterday for my PGE1 erection workout I injected my highest amount which was 30 mcgs of PGE1. The pain was excrutiating but i toughed it out but unfortunentely only got a 30 to 45 minute erection at 70 to 80% erection. I don't know if my pge1 is going bad since I bought 4 bottles 5 months ago and haven't finished them yet or if my body is becoming use to it at a fast rate. Definitely a big difference for me when injecting in the evening then at night time close to bed where erection time is 2 hours or more and less pge1 is needed.

Im taking the day off from Penis Enlargement today and just wearing my new ADS device as a form of active rest. Tomorrow I will increase the dosage to 35 mcgs of pge1, hoping to get 2 to 3 hours of 90% wood. I can't believe my tolerance with pge1 is going up so damn fast. To slow down my tolerance increase Im thinking about only doing my pge1 erections 4 to 5 times a week instead of everyday. In the chemical pe PATENT most of the test subjects were only doing there chemical erection workouts 2 to 5 days a week and they all made huge gains so maybe 5 to 7 days a week is not needed. Hopefully with 2 to 3 days out of the week of no pge1 injections this will slow down my increasing tolerance to it for longer erection time. Eventually I would like to reach a point of using 50 to 100 mcgs of pge1 since with all that pge1, tunica delinking will be incredible but I don't want to reach that level to fast. A slow and gradual need to increase my pge1 dosage is what Im looking for since the higer the dosage, the more painful the erection.

In other news. Im now using 5 grams of andractim aka 2.5% dht gel on my penis a day. I apply 2.5 grams of it in the morning with my morning dmso/paba treatement and another 2.5 grams of it in the evening with my evening dmso/paba treatment. In the evenings I also have a pge1 chemical erection going on at the same time to help keep the dht trapped in the penis since the out flow of blood is slighly restricted during the erection. During my morning application of dht I don't have a chemical erection so instead I cable clamp off a semi erection then apply the dht gel. The cable clamp restricts blood from leaving my dick to keep the topical dht gel trapped in my penis as it enters through the skin. I keep my semi erection clamped off for a good 15 minutes as the DHT is trapped in the penis and hopefully docking to as many receptor sites as possible.

Since doing this I'm now experiancing an increase in libido. I guess when I was only using a few drops of this stuff for the first week it wasn't enough. With 5 grams a day now Im finding myself thinking about sex more then usual. My regulars don't know what's coming there way. LOL. Especially my next door neigbor, Heather. LOL.

kingsnake, i am using 70 percent dmso cream mixed with paba powdered. Do you think it will work. I rub it on for an hour and i experience very mild irritation is that normal.

Stoppin by with some Love for the Snakeman!

Kingsnake, the information you posted from the patent is making me think that injections of androgens (either testosterone, dht, masteron or proviron) directly to the penis may be the way to go, but I'm going to watch your progress with the DHT gel to see if it works.

agent7x6;533762 said:

Kingsnake, the information you posted from the patent is making me think that injections of androgens (either testosterone, dht, masteron or proviron) directly to the penis may be the way to go, but I'm going to watch your progress with the DHT gel to see if it works.

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A certain doctor told me IGF 1 (the quick acting kind) would be a good thing for me to add to the PGE1 penile injections. He also told me to do it systemically as well as locally.

MikeShlort;533764 said:

A certain doctor told me IGF 1 (the quick acting kind) would be a good thing for me to add to the PGE1 penile injections. He also told me to do it systemically as well as locally.

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I seem to recall that you mentioned in another thread of speaking with a doctor regarding chemical Penis Enlargement. Is your regimen doctor prescribed?