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Ironwill1984;517116 said:
I'm wondering if he still has potential to gain from lig stretch.
Hey guys here's a link to a study done that shows PGE1 weakens collagen. Type I collagen is the toughest.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/puBathmateed/7861547
I've been thinking a lot lately as to what the best way to go about using chemicals for Penis Enlargement. A lot of people who use them see little to no growth and those that do sometimes only get mediocre gains. Kingsnake has made great gains in girth with little to no gains in length but it's still early days, ronielle claims to have gained 2" * 2". The thing with PGE1 or other injectables is that they can also lead to fibrosis. Fibrosis is the build up of tough type I collagen. Some say that the needle itself is what causes the fibrosis. I reckon that those who saw little to no growth ended up with too much fibrosis and therefore toughening of the tunica. Or they may have expanded the tunica too much and according to Tissue Growth theory were then suffering from low eq which would have given the appearance of no gains. Others say that long erections lead to fibrosis and there is evidence from cases that priapism that this can infact be true.
But, if the injections is causing the fibrosis then you would want to limit the amount of injections that you receive while at the same time trying to get as many hours of maximum as possible. This would mean you'd want to have an erection for the longest time possible. It's confusing.
Then there is the possibility that those that developed megalophallus were suffering from high flow priapism ( where there is a high flow of blood and therefore it isn't starved of oxygen) In this case I would say they probably had few priapisms but they were significantly long in duration.
I'm thinking we could run a study if anyone is interested. I still need to figure it all out and any input would be appreciated but we could look at the following possibilities:
When I say longer than 4 hours I mean 8, 12 , maybe even 24 hours of erection. The longer the time and the higher the intensity the more dangerous. I do not want to encourage any one to do anything that could result in them having permanent ED or having to have their penis amputated.
Their would also be groups according to what else everyone was taking: PGE1 alone, PGE1 + igf, PGE1 + potaba, PGE1 + pentox, etc
I will start a thread on it when I've worked everything out.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/puBathmateed/7861547
I've been thinking a lot lately as to what the best way to go about using chemicals for Penis Enlargement. A lot of people who use them see little to no growth and those that do sometimes only get mediocre gains. Kingsnake has made great gains in girth with little to no gains in length but it's still early days, ronielle claims to have gained 2" * 2". The thing with PGE1 or other injectables is that they can also lead to fibrosis. Fibrosis is the build up of tough type I collagen. Some say that the needle itself is what causes the fibrosis. I reckon that those who saw little to no growth ended up with too much fibrosis and therefore toughening of the tunica. Or they may have expanded the tunica too much and according to Tissue Growth theory were then suffering from low eq which would have given the appearance of no gains. Others say that long erections lead to fibrosis and there is evidence from cases that priapism that this can infact be true.
But, if the injections is causing the fibrosis then you would want to limit the amount of injections that you receive while at the same time trying to get as many hours of maximum as possible. This would mean you'd want to have an erection for the longest time possible. It's confusing.
Then there is the possibility that those that developed megalophallus were suffering from high flow priapism ( where there is a high flow of blood and therefore it isn't starved of oxygen) In this case I would say they probably had few priapisms but they were significantly long in duration.
I'm thinking we could run a study if anyone is interested. I still need to figure it all out and any input would be appreciated but we could look at the following possibilities:
- PGE1 given in doses to produce a <90% erection for around <4 hours
- PGE1 given in doses to produce a <90% erection for around >4 hours
- PGE1 given in doses to produce a >90% erection for around <4 hours
- PGE1 given in doses to produce a >90% erection for around >4 hours
When I say longer than 4 hours I mean 8, 12 , maybe even 24 hours of erection. The longer the time and the higher the intensity the more dangerous. I do not want to encourage any one to do anything that could result in them having permanent ED or having to have their penis amputated.
Their would also be groups according to what else everyone was taking: PGE1 alone, PGE1 + igf, PGE1 + potaba, PGE1 + pentox, etc
I will start a thread on it when I've worked everything out.
Hey Ironwill1984. I haven’t tried hanging downwards with the RSDT but it sounds like a good idea because and downwards hanging angle with a fulcrum will hit the CCs and tunica very hard since it’s the CCs that runs on the top and sides of the shaft. I may have to try this method in the future.
Hey MikeShlort. I think with RSDT type hanging it wouldn’t matter if I have lig potential gains because it’s the tunica and the septum that’s going to be hit the most when ever there’s a fulcrum involved.
Hey bigdex28. With the dosage it’s going to differ for every man to acheave a 4 to 24 hour erection. Not to mention that you’ll build up a tolerance to it. I used to get 4 to 6 hour erections with 5 to 7 mcgs of PGE1. Now Im up to 18mcgs for a 4 hour erection. Not to mention as the PGE1 dosage goes up the pain during the erection goes up as well which sucks. I know Ronielle has to take over 300 mcgs of PGE1 just to get a 2 hour erection since his body has adapted to it after over 4 years of use. Imagine the pain he’s going through. Lately he’s been researching ways to block the pain.
With fibrosis from what I heard it’s rare with PGE1 injections. I heard that those that use papaverine in there cocktails are more likely to get fibrosis since papaverine is a lot rougher on the penis. To prevent any serious damage during injection the best needle to use is a 29 gauge insulin syringe or even a 30 gauge but you have to becareful with a 30 gauge because there so thin which is good but they can break off with a peace of syringe still stuck in your penis.
Now if the goal is to be erect for up to 12 to 24 hours then more then 1 injection is going to have to take place with in 24 hours to keep the erection going. I think a good idea would be to shoot for a 4 hour rock hard boner session then injected a smaller amount of PGE1 right after to stay 70% erect for many hours afterwards because even at only 70% erection, the tunica would still be stressed and already fatigued from the 4 hour max boner session. The accumulative stress, fatigue of being erect for many hours and the unraveling effects of PGE1 for many hours should cause the tunica to fail at a microscopic cellular level and unwind a little bit for temporary to permanent increase in blood holding capacity, resulting in larger and still functional penis.
I think after such long 12 to 24 hour sessions like this an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] should be used so the tunica and erectile tissues can heal in an extended state allowing all the micro damage and small gaps/wounds to fill in with new tissue which will result in a permanent enlargement of the penis.
A good idea if someone was up to it is to shoot for these 12 to 24 hour chemical erection sessions 2 to 3 times a week and wear and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] in between sessions never letting the penis turtle.
November 10, 2012 Saturday
7:00am to 7:30am DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
7:40am to 8:20am 40 minutes of manual bundled stretches
10:35am injected 18 mcgs of PGE1 and 100 mcgs of tb4 into right chamber then put cockring on to keep chems localized until erectile response took place
10:45am Took off cockring opening up the flood gates
10:45am to 10:55am 90 to 100% erect while edging
10:55am to 11:10am 1 fifteen minute pumping set up to 5 gs very painful
11:10am to 12:10pm 90% erection while edging
12:10pm to 1:45pm 90% to 85% erection
1:45pm to 2:15pm 70% erection
2:15pm to 2:45pm 60% to 50% erection while doing another DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes to soften up tunica and prepare it for clamping sets, post PGE1 erection.
2:59pm to 3:09pm clamping set for 10 minutes
3:19pm to 3:29pm clamping set for 10 minutes
Total PGE1 erection time: 4 hours
Total erection time with clamping counted post PGE1 erection: 4 hours and 20 minutes
4pm to 7pm Wore divo suit for 3 hours to keep penis enlongated while healing took place
7pm to 7:30pm 3rd DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
7:40pm to 8:20pm 40 minutes of manual bundled stretches
Ok fellas. Injected 18 mcgs of PGE1 and got an extremely painful 4 hour chemical erection. I took 4 ibuprofen pills before hand to help with the pain but it didn’t do much. What confuses me is PGE1 was originally made to help guys with erectile dysfunction but with the type of pain it induces it’s not feasible for most guys to have sex with a pge1 erection. Fellas, I kid you not, my dick was in extreme pulsating pain during most of my chemical erection. I have to find some kind of way to mask or block the pain because it’s starting to become mentally draining when you have an erection that feels like it’s been run over by a truck.
Anyway though, this time I changed it up again. I know I keep saying fuck clamping while doing this experiment but something keeps drawing me back to it because clamping is a great tool in causing massive pressure within the CCs and CS which stretches the tunica from the inside out. The only problem with it is the intensity of clamping if done right is so intense that it temporarily lowers EQ and has tunica toughening problems as an emergency response to the trauma caused. Not to mention that when your penis gets completely cut off from oxygenated blood under heavy internal pressure for long periods of time, tissue fibrosis can develop which is why I clamp for no longer then 10 minutes at a time.
To combat this I’m now doing 3 DMSO/PABA sessions a day to ensure a soft pliable tunica. Another change I made was now I’m clamping after my PGE1 erection wears off instead of jelqing. When the PGE1 erection wears off and goes flaccid again the penis still has small traces of PGE1 in it and after all of the tunica unraveling has been done, this is a perfect time to blast the already tired tunica with some clamping sets which is just what I did this time.
This time around instead of clamping to a full rock hard erection. I clamped in a way that BIB describes which is to clamp with an almost fully erect penis where the penis still has a little bit of flexibility which is right between the point of a semi erection and full rigid erection. So during the clamp sets I clamped at about 75 to 90% erection put kegelled tremendously to trap as much blood into my shaft as possible. The pressure was insane and I could fell the tunica walls stretching with intense pressure from the inside out as I kept the cable clamp tightly locked and pushed deep into my fat pad. With pge1 traces still in my penis and post pge1 soreness still present, the pain and discomfort while clamping was intense.
Since my penis was already sore from the PGE1 unraveling my tunica, clamping with a 100% erection wasn’t necessary anyway from the immense soreness from the chemical erection I had done before hand. Also by not being 100% erect while clamping I got the same kind of expansion without the excessive fluid build up that I get with a 100% erect full rigid clamped penis. So after I completed 2 ten minute clamping sets I edged again for 15 minutes to reestablish a healthy erection with fresh oxygenated hormone enriched blood.
EQ while fucking Kara and Heather was good after wards a couple hours later. So now I’m going to have pumping in the beginning of my PGE1 erection session to add the initial stress to my unit and after my pge1 erection dies off, I’m now finishing it off with 2 clamping sets to really stretch out that tunica to encourage more tissue mass generation at the cellular level. So as long as my EQ doesn't turn to shit, I'll keep clamping in my probram as a tool to use to take advantage of the tunica unraveling effects of my PGE1 erection only after the erection wears off. DMSO/PABA treatments will remain at 3 times a day on my chemical erection days and only 2 times a day on my non chemical erection days.
Hey MikeShlort. I think with RSDT type hanging it wouldn’t matter if I have lig potential gains because it’s the tunica and the septum that’s going to be hit the most when ever there’s a fulcrum involved.
Hey bigdex28. With the dosage it’s going to differ for every man to acheave a 4 to 24 hour erection. Not to mention that you’ll build up a tolerance to it. I used to get 4 to 6 hour erections with 5 to 7 mcgs of PGE1. Now Im up to 18mcgs for a 4 hour erection. Not to mention as the PGE1 dosage goes up the pain during the erection goes up as well which sucks. I know Ronielle has to take over 300 mcgs of PGE1 just to get a 2 hour erection since his body has adapted to it after over 4 years of use. Imagine the pain he’s going through. Lately he’s been researching ways to block the pain.
With fibrosis from what I heard it’s rare with PGE1 injections. I heard that those that use papaverine in there cocktails are more likely to get fibrosis since papaverine is a lot rougher on the penis. To prevent any serious damage during injection the best needle to use is a 29 gauge insulin syringe or even a 30 gauge but you have to becareful with a 30 gauge because there so thin which is good but they can break off with a peace of syringe still stuck in your penis.
Now if the goal is to be erect for up to 12 to 24 hours then more then 1 injection is going to have to take place with in 24 hours to keep the erection going. I think a good idea would be to shoot for a 4 hour rock hard boner session then injected a smaller amount of PGE1 right after to stay 70% erect for many hours afterwards because even at only 70% erection, the tunica would still be stressed and already fatigued from the 4 hour max boner session. The accumulative stress, fatigue of being erect for many hours and the unraveling effects of PGE1 for many hours should cause the tunica to fail at a microscopic cellular level and unwind a little bit for temporary to permanent increase in blood holding capacity, resulting in larger and still functional penis.
I think after such long 12 to 24 hour sessions like this an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] should be used so the tunica and erectile tissues can heal in an extended state allowing all the micro damage and small gaps/wounds to fill in with new tissue which will result in a permanent enlargement of the penis.
A good idea if someone was up to it is to shoot for these 12 to 24 hour chemical erection sessions 2 to 3 times a week and wear and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] in between sessions never letting the penis turtle.
November 10, 2012 Saturday
7:00am to 7:30am DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
7:40am to 8:20am 40 minutes of manual bundled stretches
10:35am injected 18 mcgs of PGE1 and 100 mcgs of tb4 into right chamber then put cockring on to keep chems localized until erectile response took place
10:45am Took off cockring opening up the flood gates
10:45am to 10:55am 90 to 100% erect while edging
10:55am to 11:10am 1 fifteen minute pumping set up to 5 gs very painful
11:10am to 12:10pm 90% erection while edging
12:10pm to 1:45pm 90% to 85% erection
1:45pm to 2:15pm 70% erection
2:15pm to 2:45pm 60% to 50% erection while doing another DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes to soften up tunica and prepare it for clamping sets, post PGE1 erection.
2:59pm to 3:09pm clamping set for 10 minutes
3:19pm to 3:29pm clamping set for 10 minutes
Total PGE1 erection time: 4 hours
Total erection time with clamping counted post PGE1 erection: 4 hours and 20 minutes
4pm to 7pm Wore divo suit for 3 hours to keep penis enlongated while healing took place
7pm to 7:30pm 3rd DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
7:40pm to 8:20pm 40 minutes of manual bundled stretches
Ok fellas. Injected 18 mcgs of PGE1 and got an extremely painful 4 hour chemical erection. I took 4 ibuprofen pills before hand to help with the pain but it didn’t do much. What confuses me is PGE1 was originally made to help guys with erectile dysfunction but with the type of pain it induces it’s not feasible for most guys to have sex with a pge1 erection. Fellas, I kid you not, my dick was in extreme pulsating pain during most of my chemical erection. I have to find some kind of way to mask or block the pain because it’s starting to become mentally draining when you have an erection that feels like it’s been run over by a truck.
Anyway though, this time I changed it up again. I know I keep saying fuck clamping while doing this experiment but something keeps drawing me back to it because clamping is a great tool in causing massive pressure within the CCs and CS which stretches the tunica from the inside out. The only problem with it is the intensity of clamping if done right is so intense that it temporarily lowers EQ and has tunica toughening problems as an emergency response to the trauma caused. Not to mention that when your penis gets completely cut off from oxygenated blood under heavy internal pressure for long periods of time, tissue fibrosis can develop which is why I clamp for no longer then 10 minutes at a time.
To combat this I’m now doing 3 DMSO/PABA sessions a day to ensure a soft pliable tunica. Another change I made was now I’m clamping after my PGE1 erection wears off instead of jelqing. When the PGE1 erection wears off and goes flaccid again the penis still has small traces of PGE1 in it and after all of the tunica unraveling has been done, this is a perfect time to blast the already tired tunica with some clamping sets which is just what I did this time.
This time around instead of clamping to a full rock hard erection. I clamped in a way that BIB describes which is to clamp with an almost fully erect penis where the penis still has a little bit of flexibility which is right between the point of a semi erection and full rigid erection. So during the clamp sets I clamped at about 75 to 90% erection put kegelled tremendously to trap as much blood into my shaft as possible. The pressure was insane and I could fell the tunica walls stretching with intense pressure from the inside out as I kept the cable clamp tightly locked and pushed deep into my fat pad. With pge1 traces still in my penis and post pge1 soreness still present, the pain and discomfort while clamping was intense.
Since my penis was already sore from the PGE1 unraveling my tunica, clamping with a 100% erection wasn’t necessary anyway from the immense soreness from the chemical erection I had done before hand. Also by not being 100% erect while clamping I got the same kind of expansion without the excessive fluid build up that I get with a 100% erect full rigid clamped penis. So after I completed 2 ten minute clamping sets I edged again for 15 minutes to reestablish a healthy erection with fresh oxygenated hormone enriched blood.
EQ while fucking Kara and Heather was good after wards a couple hours later. So now I’m going to have pumping in the beginning of my PGE1 erection session to add the initial stress to my unit and after my pge1 erection dies off, I’m now finishing it off with 2 clamping sets to really stretch out that tunica to encourage more tissue mass generation at the cellular level. So as long as my EQ doesn't turn to shit, I'll keep clamping in my probram as a tool to use to take advantage of the tunica unraveling effects of my PGE1 erection only after the erection wears off. DMSO/PABA treatments will remain at 3 times a day on my chemical erection days and only 2 times a day on my non chemical erection days.
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Yeah thats what I was thinking off- a second injection to increase erection time. Or one could take viagra as the erection from the PGE 1 is going down, which should extend it. As long as the dosage is low it should result in a maximum erection. This could be done before bed to increase the chances of staying erect.
So say for an 8+ hour erection- you could inject an amount of PGE1 that gives around a 4 hour erection, then when erection is dying down take 25mg of vigra and go to bed. In the morning you could edge for an hour or so and then maybe do another low dose PGE1 shot and possibly follow with more viagra. This would be very dangerous. The chances of producing a dangerous low flow priapism would be high and even if it was high flow we still don't know if it would be safe. Also, tolerance is more likely with this type of routine unless lots of days off are taken in between ChemPenis Enlargement days.
Maybe it would be safer to define this group as the 75-50% erection group. Here you would inject only enough PGE1 to produce a 50-75% erection, then do repeat injections or take low doses of viagra to extend the semi-erection for as long as possible, maybe starting in the morning taking 3 or 4 injections through the day and end the day with low dose viagra?
The even more dangerous way of doing it would be to have high intensity high duration but here extra measures would need to be taken to prevent fibrosis or long term damage but we don't know of any measures that would definitely do this. It could be possible that this could be safe but could lead to over toughening of the tunica a bit like hanging too much weight too soon.
So say for an 8+ hour erection- you could inject an amount of PGE1 that gives around a 4 hour erection, then when erection is dying down take 25mg of vigra and go to bed. In the morning you could edge for an hour or so and then maybe do another low dose PGE1 shot and possibly follow with more viagra. This would be very dangerous. The chances of producing a dangerous low flow priapism would be high and even if it was high flow we still don't know if it would be safe. Also, tolerance is more likely with this type of routine unless lots of days off are taken in between ChemPenis Enlargement days.
Maybe it would be safer to define this group as the 75-50% erection group. Here you would inject only enough PGE1 to produce a 50-75% erection, then do repeat injections or take low doses of viagra to extend the semi-erection for as long as possible, maybe starting in the morning taking 3 or 4 injections through the day and end the day with low dose viagra?
The even more dangerous way of doing it would be to have high intensity high duration but here extra measures would need to be taken to prevent fibrosis or long term damage but we don't know of any measures that would definitely do this. It could be possible that this could be safe but could lead to over toughening of the tunica a bit like hanging too much weight too soon.
Another possible chemical that could be used in chempe is verapamil. It reduces collagen synthesis and increases collagenase synthesis (collagenase is the enzyme that breaks down collagen).
http://www.sexhealtHydromaxatters.org/peyronies-disease/treating-peyronies-disease
Here they said that it was ineffective as a topical as it didn't reach the tunica. It was only effective when administered as an injectable. Just checked Alldaychemist is carrying the injectable! Could be very dangerous though as it causes a drop in blood pressure. In that study they were injecting it into the PD plaque on the tunica, we would most likley be injecting it into the CC but this could lead to systemic administration.
http://www.sexhealtHydromaxatters.org/peyronies-disease/treating-peyronies-disease
Here they said that it was ineffective as a topical as it didn't reach the tunica. It was only effective when administered as an injectable. Just checked Alldaychemist is carrying the injectable! Could be very dangerous though as it causes a drop in blood pressure. In that study they were injecting it into the PD plaque on the tunica, we would most likley be injecting it into the CC but this could lead to systemic administration.
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~ranga/papers/2005-11-Klotz_Brindley_Lecture.pdf
It says at the end that injectable verapamil, injected into the CC can create an erection. The doctor who carried out the study was the first to discover that Papavervine and Phentolamine could cause an erection.
It says at the end that injectable verapamil, injected into the CC can create an erection. The doctor who carried out the study was the first to discover that Papavervine and Phentolamine could cause an erection.
1). When i pin my sides get hard but i have to work it a bit to get my head and sides really hard and expanded. Anyone else find the same?
2). Does anyone else find that the side that they pin on is the side that gets most hardest?
I can see why it's so important to use a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] device after having used PGE1. It sort of contracts back but sort of fat, not turtling per se, and doesn't want to stretch.
Could I make a half inch girth gain in a month / six weeks like some have claimed to on the bodybuilding forums in your opinion.
2). Does anyone else find that the side that they pin on is the side that gets most hardest?
I can see why it's so important to use a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] device after having used PGE1. It sort of contracts back but sort of fat, not turtling per se, and doesn't want to stretch.
Could I make a half inch girth gain in a month / six weeks like some have claimed to on the bodybuilding forums in your opinion.
richard johnson;517225 said:
A min or two after injecting, squeeze your penis a bunch of times to mix around the chemical. This should solve that problem.
bigdex28;517154 said:
I use it topically, was prescribed it by a MD. I would ask a professional before injecting that shit into your penis. I found it to be effective using it topically.
King - I wasn't talking about fulcrum hanging when I asked if you still have potential for lig gains. What I was getting at is did you ever in your hanging career follow Bib's advice on hanging at least 10 hours a week ONLY on the target angle, until fatigue is reached on the first or second set, riding the fatigue on subsequent sets and continuing to target the BTC/SD angle until your LOT becomes 6 o'clock or until your skin exit point becomes very low?
snake watch out for the effects of too much DMSO/PABA on your unit. I overdid it - too many applications back to back - and got the skin raw forcing me to lay off until it heals. 3 spread out over the day should be fine.
therulersback;517427 said:
Directly apply some natural oil dirctly after it and you wont have as much problems.
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King,
Did you ever consider mixing the paba dmso with other softening agents like vit e or iodine into one solution?
Hey bigdex28. Your experiment sounds good bro. Are you going to try this method out? If so I’ll definitely keep tabs on your progress. I personally don’t have the time right now to be chemically erect for 12 to 24 hours straight. Also I wouldn’t be looking forward to the pain since PGE1 erections hurt like hell if the dosage is higher then 10 to 15 mcgs. At least for me anyway.
This injecting verapamil sounds promising especially if it’s a vasodiolater and an anti fibrosis/scarring agent. Im going to look into this.
Hey Richard Johnson. Like MikeShlort said, just squeeze your penis a bit after injection to move around the chems. Keep in mind though that with a chemical erection it’s the CCs that are going to be hard. Your glans and CS will stay soft unless you manually stimulate your self or kegel during your chemical erection. Pumping or clamping will also make all three chambers erect including the glans. Chemical erections only make your CCs hard. For the erection to safely be maintained for hours, your CS has to be soft to ensure proper blood circulation of the penis. It’s the CCs that we care about anyway because it’s the CCs that make up most of the penis shaft.
Hey MikeShlort. With BIBS advice kinda followed it. You see my LOT from birth has always been 6 oclock which according to the LOT theory I never had any lig stretch potential from the start. So right from the get go, I started my hanging career with upward angle tunica hanging in which I made great gains with.
Now I do tunica hanging and lig hanging just in case the LOT theory is bullshit. With riding the fatigue I use to do 4 hours of hanging every Mondays then only do 6 hanging sets the rest of the days out of the week as a form of riding the fatigue from every Monday’s 4 hour hanging marathons. This was a while ago when I was still on Thunders as SAIYAN22. I made great gains with that method back then but eventually hit a wall as the weights got heavier and my tunica become stronger needing a deconditioning break.
Hey therulersback. Thanks for the heads up with DMSO. Im actually already experiencing some burning and raw skin on my balls since when I apply the DMSO/PABA on my dick, some of it leaks down all over my balls. The skin on my dick has adapted but the scrotum skin is a lot more sensitive. Im hoping DMSO doesn’t fuck up sperm cells in the testes since I do want kids in the future. Im going to have to find a way to cover up my balls during my DMSO/PABA treatments. If anyone has and ideas about protecting the scrotum, let me know.
Hey dickerschwanz. When Im get some money Im going to buy some powdered vitamin E, powdered acetyl carnitine, and iodine to mix with my DMSO and PABA. Once I save up a little cash I'll get the powdered supplements in bulk from purebulk.com.
November 12, 2012 Monday
5:30am to 5:55am DMSO/PABA treatment for 25 minutes
6:10am to 6:40am 30 minutes of manual bundle stretch variations
3:30pm to 4:00pm DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
4:00pm to 4:30pm 30 minutes of manual bundle stretch variations
8:25pm Injected 12 mcgs of PGE1 and 100 mcgs of tb4 into right chamber then put cockring on to keep chems localized in the shaft until good erectile response took place
8:35pm Took cockring off. 70 % erection and climbing
8:45pm to 9:45pm 90 to 100% erection while edging
9:45pm to 11:00pm 80 to 90% erection]
11:00pm to 11:30pm 75% erection
11:30pm to 12:00am shot back up to 85 to 90% erection
12:00am to 12:30am DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes while still at 80 to 90% chemical erection
12:30am to 1:30am 70% to 80% erection Popped 2 Sudafed and did a bunch of Squats and lunges but no luck.
1:30am to 2:30am 70% to 60% erection
Total PGE1 erection time. Don’t know since I fell asleep while still chemically erect but over 6 hours.
Ok fellas. This time around I injected later in the day then I normally do since I had some business to take care off. Usually I inject 18mcgs of PGE1 for a 3 to 4 hour erection but from past experiences I notice that I don’t need as much PGE1 at night time to get a 3 to 4 hour erection. So this time around I injected only 12 mcgs of PGE1. The unpredictableness of PGE1 struck again as I was chemically erect for over 6 hours last night. I only wanted 4 hours of erection time since it was getting late but for whatever reason my dick decided to stay erect for much longer. It got down to 60% at around 2:30am in the morning then I past out. I had to get up to be at work at 7am this morning so as you guys can imagine, I didn’t get much sleep last night.
I got my usual pain and achingness while chemically erect but the last 2 hours before I past out weren’t so bad. During hours 2 through 4 were the most painful. Im guessing towards bedtime the body is more relaxed allowing PGE1 to operate at 100% efficiency thus less of it is needed then what's needed during the day. So for now on, I’m not injecting PGE1 past 6pm in the evening or else I’m in for an all nighter.
This injecting verapamil sounds promising especially if it’s a vasodiolater and an anti fibrosis/scarring agent. Im going to look into this.
Hey Richard Johnson. Like MikeShlort said, just squeeze your penis a bit after injection to move around the chems. Keep in mind though that with a chemical erection it’s the CCs that are going to be hard. Your glans and CS will stay soft unless you manually stimulate your self or kegel during your chemical erection. Pumping or clamping will also make all three chambers erect including the glans. Chemical erections only make your CCs hard. For the erection to safely be maintained for hours, your CS has to be soft to ensure proper blood circulation of the penis. It’s the CCs that we care about anyway because it’s the CCs that make up most of the penis shaft.
Hey MikeShlort. With BIBS advice kinda followed it. You see my LOT from birth has always been 6 oclock which according to the LOT theory I never had any lig stretch potential from the start. So right from the get go, I started my hanging career with upward angle tunica hanging in which I made great gains with.
Now I do tunica hanging and lig hanging just in case the LOT theory is bullshit. With riding the fatigue I use to do 4 hours of hanging every Mondays then only do 6 hanging sets the rest of the days out of the week as a form of riding the fatigue from every Monday’s 4 hour hanging marathons. This was a while ago when I was still on Thunders as SAIYAN22. I made great gains with that method back then but eventually hit a wall as the weights got heavier and my tunica become stronger needing a deconditioning break.
Hey therulersback. Thanks for the heads up with DMSO. Im actually already experiencing some burning and raw skin on my balls since when I apply the DMSO/PABA on my dick, some of it leaks down all over my balls. The skin on my dick has adapted but the scrotum skin is a lot more sensitive. Im hoping DMSO doesn’t fuck up sperm cells in the testes since I do want kids in the future. Im going to have to find a way to cover up my balls during my DMSO/PABA treatments. If anyone has and ideas about protecting the scrotum, let me know.
Hey dickerschwanz. When Im get some money Im going to buy some powdered vitamin E, powdered acetyl carnitine, and iodine to mix with my DMSO and PABA. Once I save up a little cash I'll get the powdered supplements in bulk from purebulk.com.
November 12, 2012 Monday
5:30am to 5:55am DMSO/PABA treatment for 25 minutes
6:10am to 6:40am 30 minutes of manual bundle stretch variations
3:30pm to 4:00pm DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
4:00pm to 4:30pm 30 minutes of manual bundle stretch variations
8:25pm Injected 12 mcgs of PGE1 and 100 mcgs of tb4 into right chamber then put cockring on to keep chems localized in the shaft until good erectile response took place
8:35pm Took cockring off. 70 % erection and climbing
8:45pm to 9:45pm 90 to 100% erection while edging
9:45pm to 11:00pm 80 to 90% erection]
11:00pm to 11:30pm 75% erection
11:30pm to 12:00am shot back up to 85 to 90% erection
12:00am to 12:30am DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes while still at 80 to 90% chemical erection
12:30am to 1:30am 70% to 80% erection Popped 2 Sudafed and did a bunch of Squats and lunges but no luck.
1:30am to 2:30am 70% to 60% erection
Total PGE1 erection time. Don’t know since I fell asleep while still chemically erect but over 6 hours.
Ok fellas. This time around I injected later in the day then I normally do since I had some business to take care off. Usually I inject 18mcgs of PGE1 for a 3 to 4 hour erection but from past experiences I notice that I don’t need as much PGE1 at night time to get a 3 to 4 hour erection. So this time around I injected only 12 mcgs of PGE1. The unpredictableness of PGE1 struck again as I was chemically erect for over 6 hours last night. I only wanted 4 hours of erection time since it was getting late but for whatever reason my dick decided to stay erect for much longer. It got down to 60% at around 2:30am in the morning then I past out. I had to get up to be at work at 7am this morning so as you guys can imagine, I didn’t get much sleep last night.
I got my usual pain and achingness while chemically erect but the last 2 hours before I past out weren’t so bad. During hours 2 through 4 were the most painful. Im guessing towards bedtime the body is more relaxed allowing PGE1 to operate at 100% efficiency thus less of it is needed then what's needed during the day. So for now on, I’m not injecting PGE1 past 6pm in the evening or else I’m in for an all nighter.
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kingsnake;517442 said:
Hey snake, jsut cover your balls or cuts or other sensitive areas with some natural oil. The dmso wont penetrate then that strongly. I use soem oil on the balls and have a good testicle massage then I put the dmso above it and when soemthing drops over the oil not much happens.
I use olive oil and I think its ok as it is used in many dmso applications. Not much needed just some fingers full of.
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I mixed paba and some iodine leftovers and till now it looks like it dissolved very good. No more stinging either then compared to each alone. Tough i had only some iodine left. also waiting for the new delivery.
The paba is really good. almost immediately felt the softening. heavier hang whole day.
Tomorrow I will buy some vit e. tough not sure which one. there are so many forms. any plans already which vit e you will choose?
Just realized that mixing the paba after the iodine was added gives some clumps that dont dissolve that good. Better way when you add first paba, dissolve it and then add iodine...
Yeah I'll probably only be able to do it on a Saturday and a Sunday though as I work during the week. I'm going to start off first with a 6 hour erection and maybe work my way up. In Dr Adams patent, he says that 2 injection can be administered where they each create a 3 hour erection for a total of 6 hours. I think thats what I'll do. Then after the erection has died down I'll pop 25mgs of viagra and go to bed. The viagra should help me have more erections during the night but I'll probably not be erect the whole time.
During the week I'll only be aiming for 2 to 3 hour erections.
During the week I'll only be aiming for 2 to 3 hour erections.
I'm not sure the LOT theory is the ultimate deciding factor.
Also, there is something called the "see saw effect". Basically, when you hang at high angles, it raises your LOT, so after hanging at high angles for a long time, there is possible potential for lig gains again. Thinking of it in realistic terms and not in LOT, I picture it basically rocking the penis back and forth out of your body, like how you would try to unwedge something that is the shape of a penis out of a tight spot. Something you may want to try.
Also, there is something called the "see saw effect". Basically, when you hang at high angles, it raises your LOT, so after hanging at high angles for a long time, there is possible potential for lig gains again. Thinking of it in realistic terms and not in LOT, I picture it basically rocking the penis back and forth out of your body, like how you would try to unwedge something that is the shape of a penis out of a tight spot. Something you may want to try.
Thanks guys for your help with my previous question. Massaging shaft after injection definitely helps get an even erection.
What's the growth mechanism? I thought that it was a case that your CCs would eventually get bigger due to prolonged expansion.
However today it feels as if the muscle enveloping the the CCs - the tunica - is much more plump and thicker when I jelq up and down - a bit lumpy in places as it were - but not exactly sure how to describe it. It's as if I can move it up and down the shaft of my penis and it will 'squish' back in place.
Not sure if this is OK or is it scar tissue building up (only pinned 5/6 times)?
(I'm just using PGE1 and have not considered using paba etc as only want 1/4 - 1/2 inch girth gain).
What's the growth mechanism? I thought that it was a case that your CCs would eventually get bigger due to prolonged expansion.
However today it feels as if the muscle enveloping the the CCs - the tunica - is much more plump and thicker when I jelq up and down - a bit lumpy in places as it were - but not exactly sure how to describe it. It's as if I can move it up and down the shaft of my penis and it will 'squish' back in place.
Not sure if this is OK or is it scar tissue building up (only pinned 5/6 times)?
(I'm just using PGE1 and have not considered using paba etc as only want 1/4 - 1/2 inch girth gain).
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King on your other thread you advised me to use DMSO/PABA treatment to soften up my tunica I'm abit new to the whole chemical pe thing where would it be best for me to start on what to do (how to use it, price, where to get it from etc) thnx as always
November 15, 2012 Thursday
5:00am to 5:20am DMSO/PABA treatment for 20 minutes
5:40am to 6:20am 40 minutes bundled stretches
10:25pm injected 6 mcgs of PGE1 and 100 mcgs of tb4 into left chamber. Put cockring on afterwards to trap chems until erectile response took place.
10:35pm Took off cockring to open up the flood gates
10:35pm to 1:00am 80 to 90% erection while edging periodically
1:00am to 2:30am 75% to 50% erection Did second DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes during this time.
2:30am to 2:45am 1 fifteen minute pumping set up to 5 gs
Total pge1 erection time. A little less then 4 hours
Ok fellas. I had to work overtime this day which caused me to do my injections late. After good caculations I injected only 6 mcgs of pge1 since my response to it is a lot better at night, thus me not needing as much. I only did 1 pumping set toward the end of the erection since it was getting late and I was sleepy as hell.
5:00am to 5:20am DMSO/PABA treatment for 20 minutes
5:40am to 6:20am 40 minutes bundled stretches
10:25pm injected 6 mcgs of PGE1 and 100 mcgs of tb4 into left chamber. Put cockring on afterwards to trap chems until erectile response took place.
10:35pm Took off cockring to open up the flood gates
10:35pm to 1:00am 80 to 90% erection while edging periodically
1:00am to 2:30am 75% to 50% erection Did second DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes during this time.
2:30am to 2:45am 1 fifteen minute pumping set up to 5 gs
Total pge1 erection time. A little less then 4 hours
Ok fellas. I had to work overtime this day which caused me to do my injections late. After good caculations I injected only 6 mcgs of pge1 since my response to it is a lot better at night, thus me not needing as much. I only did 1 pumping set toward the end of the erection since it was getting late and I was sleepy as hell.
November 16, 2012 Friday
7:00am to 7:30am DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
7:40am to 8:20am 40 minutes of bundled stretches
12pm injected 12mcgs of Pge1 and 100 mcgs of tb4 into right chamber. Put cockring on afterwards to trap chems in the CCs until erectile response took place
12:10pm Took cockring off opening up the flood gates
12:15pm to 1:15pm 80 to 95% erection while edging
1:15pm to 2:15pm 95% down to 50% Had to pop 4 sudafed and take care of an emergency at my job which fucked up my workout.
Total pge1 erection time: 2 hours. Pissed off
Ok fellas. It was suppose to be my day off from work but I got called in do to a crisis in the data centar. I got the call at 1:00pm. After getting the call to come in, I had to get my erection down right away so I popped 4 sudafed to get the process going. Didn't get home from work until 7pm. Went pussy hunting with the fellas afterwards. Also Im now all out of TB4. Once I get some extra money I'll be ordering some more TB4 but also some IGF-DES, pentox, DHT cream and a vacuum hanger to add to what Im doing. For now it's just PGE1 to inject.
7:00am to 7:30am DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
7:40am to 8:20am 40 minutes of bundled stretches
12pm injected 12mcgs of Pge1 and 100 mcgs of tb4 into right chamber. Put cockring on afterwards to trap chems in the CCs until erectile response took place
12:10pm Took cockring off opening up the flood gates
12:15pm to 1:15pm 80 to 95% erection while edging
1:15pm to 2:15pm 95% down to 50% Had to pop 4 sudafed and take care of an emergency at my job which fucked up my workout.
Total pge1 erection time: 2 hours. Pissed off
Ok fellas. It was suppose to be my day off from work but I got called in do to a crisis in the data centar. I got the call at 1:00pm. After getting the call to come in, I had to get my erection down right away so I popped 4 sudafed to get the process going. Didn't get home from work until 7pm. Went pussy hunting with the fellas afterwards. Also Im now all out of TB4. Once I get some extra money I'll be ordering some more TB4 but also some IGF-DES, pentox, DHT cream and a vacuum hanger to add to what Im doing. For now it's just PGE1 to inject.
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kingsnake;518129 said:
Should hit up some of them cock sluts of yours for the loot, tell them it costs money to have a dick like that and they gotta donate to the cause
Hey MikeShlort. You’re funny as hell bro. LOL. Yeah I hear ya on getting these chicks to donate to the cause but times are rough in this economy bro. I’ll have the money soon enough to really shake things up with my protocol.
I been a lot of man hours put in since I started Penis Enlargement back in 2008. But it’s been worth it. The women that I’ve shocked, excited and confused all at the same time with my Penis Enlargement gains has been well worth the time and effort put in to building my weapon. Still not done yet though. Not until I at least reach nbpel 10 inches by 7 midgirth and even after that I most likely will keep going if more gains are possible.
November 17, 2012 Saturday
9:00am to 9:30am DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
9:40am to 10:20am 40 minutes of bundled stretches
7:30pm injected 10mcgs of Pge1 into right chamber. Put cockring on afterwards to trap chems in the CCs until erectile response took place.
7:40pm Took cockring off opening up the flood gates
7:45pm to 9:45pm 80 to 95% erection while edging
9:45pm to 10:45pm 90% down to 70% erection
10:45pm to 11:30pm 70% down to 50% erection
Total pge1 erection time: a little under 4 hours
11:30pm to 12:00am DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
12:15am to 1:00am 2 fifteen minute pumping sets up to 5 gs POST PGE1 erection workout to take advantage of tunica delinking.
1:10am to 1:20am 1 ten minute clamping set to really blow up the tunica with good stretch force from with in.
1:40am to 2:00am 20 minutes of bundled stretches once completely flaccid to finish off the already tired tissues of the penis
Ok fellas. This time around I injected late again. The one advantage of this is my body response better with PGE1 in the evenings or nighttime so less PGE1 is needed to get a 3 to 4 hour erection. Only needed 10mcgs of PGE1 this time around. With only 1Omcgs my erection did have some pain and aching to it but not nearly as bad as 15mcgs and up.
One thing I’m starting to notice is it’s getting harder to inject. I find myself having to push the syringe in with more force to penetrate the tough tunica into the CCs which is becoming pretty painful. Yesterday was the most painful injection yet. I’m thinking that my tunica is starting to get tough with all of the Penis Enlargement work I’ve been doing and the actual injections almost every day.
I’ve been using a 29 gauge syringe the whole time but now I’m going to be buying some 30 gauge syringes since they are thinner which should mean less pain during injections. The 30 gauge needles are weaker in strength since there thinner but I’ll be really careful while injecting so they won’t break off in my unit. I’ve read that ronielle just started using the 30 gauge syringes himself and has reported less pain and easier penetration during injection.
Well fellas. After doing a bit of research I found this PDF book on chemical penis enlargement and think it’s a great read on the importance of DHT levels and penis enlargement. In this link they talk about using DHT cream to enhance your gains in combination with exercises then after 2 months you cycle off DHT and the exercises to let the penile tissues decondition and the down regulated androgen receptors in the penis rest for a month to up regulate, in which then you’ll blast the penis through another growth phase with Penis Enlargement exercises and DHT cream.
CoughRonielleCough does this as well and he suggested I do this but I guess after actually reading it from another source it makes sense. I remember talking to him on the phone and he told me that he had to take it easy with DHT cream in his chemical protocol because his girth was becoming to big making it difficult for his clients to take his size.
Anyway though. After reading the info in the link below this I have developed a new appreciation for deconditioning breaks and how they are actually important and should be planned in cycles with Penis Enlargement. Basically you’ll have growth phases then planned deconditioning phases as the tunica and tissues adapt and toughen which resist further enlargement.
I’ve always taking deconditoning phases out of frustration whenever I platueod, from tough tunica syndrome but to have planned deconditoning phases and growth cycles seems pretty damn logical to me. Just like with periodization training with bodybuilders and competitive sports athletes.
Here’s the link to the PDF eBook below. Definitely read this fellas. Some good stuff in here and it’s not that long of a read either.
http://www.chemicalenlargement.com/cpereport/cpe1.pdf
I been a lot of man hours put in since I started Penis Enlargement back in 2008. But it’s been worth it. The women that I’ve shocked, excited and confused all at the same time with my Penis Enlargement gains has been well worth the time and effort put in to building my weapon. Still not done yet though. Not until I at least reach nbpel 10 inches by 7 midgirth and even after that I most likely will keep going if more gains are possible.
November 17, 2012 Saturday
9:00am to 9:30am DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
9:40am to 10:20am 40 minutes of bundled stretches
7:30pm injected 10mcgs of Pge1 into right chamber. Put cockring on afterwards to trap chems in the CCs until erectile response took place.
7:40pm Took cockring off opening up the flood gates
7:45pm to 9:45pm 80 to 95% erection while edging
9:45pm to 10:45pm 90% down to 70% erection
10:45pm to 11:30pm 70% down to 50% erection
Total pge1 erection time: a little under 4 hours
11:30pm to 12:00am DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
12:15am to 1:00am 2 fifteen minute pumping sets up to 5 gs POST PGE1 erection workout to take advantage of tunica delinking.
1:10am to 1:20am 1 ten minute clamping set to really blow up the tunica with good stretch force from with in.
1:40am to 2:00am 20 minutes of bundled stretches once completely flaccid to finish off the already tired tissues of the penis
Ok fellas. This time around I injected late again. The one advantage of this is my body response better with PGE1 in the evenings or nighttime so less PGE1 is needed to get a 3 to 4 hour erection. Only needed 10mcgs of PGE1 this time around. With only 1Omcgs my erection did have some pain and aching to it but not nearly as bad as 15mcgs and up.
One thing I’m starting to notice is it’s getting harder to inject. I find myself having to push the syringe in with more force to penetrate the tough tunica into the CCs which is becoming pretty painful. Yesterday was the most painful injection yet. I’m thinking that my tunica is starting to get tough with all of the Penis Enlargement work I’ve been doing and the actual injections almost every day.
I’ve been using a 29 gauge syringe the whole time but now I’m going to be buying some 30 gauge syringes since they are thinner which should mean less pain during injections. The 30 gauge needles are weaker in strength since there thinner but I’ll be really careful while injecting so they won’t break off in my unit. I’ve read that ronielle just started using the 30 gauge syringes himself and has reported less pain and easier penetration during injection.
Well fellas. After doing a bit of research I found this PDF book on chemical penis enlargement and think it’s a great read on the importance of DHT levels and penis enlargement. In this link they talk about using DHT cream to enhance your gains in combination with exercises then after 2 months you cycle off DHT and the exercises to let the penile tissues decondition and the down regulated androgen receptors in the penis rest for a month to up regulate, in which then you’ll blast the penis through another growth phase with Penis Enlargement exercises and DHT cream.
CoughRonielleCough does this as well and he suggested I do this but I guess after actually reading it from another source it makes sense. I remember talking to him on the phone and he told me that he had to take it easy with DHT cream in his chemical protocol because his girth was becoming to big making it difficult for his clients to take his size.
Anyway though. After reading the info in the link below this I have developed a new appreciation for deconditioning breaks and how they are actually important and should be planned in cycles with Penis Enlargement. Basically you’ll have growth phases then planned deconditioning phases as the tunica and tissues adapt and toughen which resist further enlargement.
I’ve always taking deconditoning phases out of frustration whenever I platueod, from tough tunica syndrome but to have planned deconditoning phases and growth cycles seems pretty damn logical to me. Just like with periodization training with bodybuilders and competitive sports athletes.
Here’s the link to the PDF eBook below. Definitely read this fellas. Some good stuff in here and it’s not that long of a read either.
http://www.chemicalenlargement.com/cpereport/cpe1.pdf
good find, thank you king snake.
Kingsnake what oil did you end up useing to keep the DMSO off your sack?
Where are you guys getting DHT cream from? Would it be useful to use the DMSO to make it absorb better?
Also finding that my injection site gets a bit lumpy. Is this normal?
Also finding that my injection site gets a bit lumpy. Is this normal?
Hey MikeShlort. No problem bro. I think this eBook definitely hits the nail on the head about purposely taking planned decondition breaks to let the tunica and ligs soften and weaken back to base line levels. The use of DHT cream during your Penis Enlargement training then cycling off of it during the deconditioning break from Penis Enlargement makes sense as well. So androgen receptors in the penis can build back up as well as the tunica and connective tissues weakening back to base line levels before getting blasted through another 1 to 2 month growth cycle. I’m actually thinking about taking a 1 month deconditioning break soon then when I get some igf-des, more tb4 and DHT gel, I’ll blast my penis with these growth producing compounds with a fresh deconditioned tunica and ligs.
If I do end up taking a 1 month deconditioning break I’ll still be doing 2 DMSO/PABA sessions a day and also wearing an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for at least 4 hours a day to help retain gains.
Hey hopeing48x8. Don’t know if this is safe but right now I’ve been coating my nut sack with Vaseline then I apply the DMSO/PABA on my dick. So far I haven’t had any new burns or irritation on my balls since it looks like the DMSO is unable to penetrate through the Vaseline.
Hey richard johnson. I haven’t even started looking for DHT yet so I’m not sure where to get it. Right now I’m in the process of saving money to get it in a month or so. With DMSO yes. First you’d apply the DHT cream to your shaft then let it sit for 10 to 20 minutes. Afterwards you apply the DMSO on your shaft to carry through any left over DHT that didn’t get absorbed during the initial application.
With injection sites getting lumpy this is do to localized swelling right at the injection site and a small clot or scab forming from the puncture of the needle. It’s best to perform some manual stretches, mainly bundled stretches or jelqing after your erection goes down to rub out any potential clots or scab/scar tissue at the injection site.
November 18, 2012 Sunday
5:40am to 6:00am DMSO/PABA treatment for 20 minutes
6:05am to 6:25am 20 minutes of bundled stretches
4:35pm injected 11mcgs of Pge1 into right chamber. Put cockring on afterwards to trap chems in the CCs until erectile response took place
4:45pm Took cockring off opening up the flood gates
4:45pm to 6:20pm 80% to 95% erection while edging sporadically through out
6:20pm to 7:30pm 75% down to 60% erection put jerked my self back to 85 to 95% erection while edging. After edging erection dropped to 60% again.
7:30pm to 7:42pm 1 twelve minute clamping set. Very painful POST PGE1 erection
Total PGE1 erection time 2 hours and 50 minutes
Total erection time with clamping set included 3 hours and 2 minutes
7:44pm to 8:14pm DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
8:45pm to 9:05pm 20 minutes of bundled stretches
11:05pm to 11:20pm 15 minutes of wet jelqs
Ok fellas. I bought some 30 gauge syringes and injected with one. I still had to push the syringe hard to penetrate through the tunica into the CCs which was painful. I’m thinking about going even thinner and trying a 31 gauge syringe.
My dick is pretty sore from all Penis Enlargement work I’ve been inflicting on it. This morning I measured my morning wood and stats still remain at npbel 9.5 x 6.4 midgirth. I’m definitely looking forward to getting my hands on some IGF-DES and DHT cream to add to my program.
If I do end up taking a 1 month deconditioning break I’ll still be doing 2 DMSO/PABA sessions a day and also wearing an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for at least 4 hours a day to help retain gains.
Hey hopeing48x8. Don’t know if this is safe but right now I’ve been coating my nut sack with Vaseline then I apply the DMSO/PABA on my dick. So far I haven’t had any new burns or irritation on my balls since it looks like the DMSO is unable to penetrate through the Vaseline.
Hey richard johnson. I haven’t even started looking for DHT yet so I’m not sure where to get it. Right now I’m in the process of saving money to get it in a month or so. With DMSO yes. First you’d apply the DHT cream to your shaft then let it sit for 10 to 20 minutes. Afterwards you apply the DMSO on your shaft to carry through any left over DHT that didn’t get absorbed during the initial application.
With injection sites getting lumpy this is do to localized swelling right at the injection site and a small clot or scab forming from the puncture of the needle. It’s best to perform some manual stretches, mainly bundled stretches or jelqing after your erection goes down to rub out any potential clots or scab/scar tissue at the injection site.
November 18, 2012 Sunday
5:40am to 6:00am DMSO/PABA treatment for 20 minutes
6:05am to 6:25am 20 minutes of bundled stretches
4:35pm injected 11mcgs of Pge1 into right chamber. Put cockring on afterwards to trap chems in the CCs until erectile response took place
4:45pm Took cockring off opening up the flood gates
4:45pm to 6:20pm 80% to 95% erection while edging sporadically through out
6:20pm to 7:30pm 75% down to 60% erection put jerked my self back to 85 to 95% erection while edging. After edging erection dropped to 60% again.
7:30pm to 7:42pm 1 twelve minute clamping set. Very painful POST PGE1 erection
Total PGE1 erection time 2 hours and 50 minutes
Total erection time with clamping set included 3 hours and 2 minutes
7:44pm to 8:14pm DMSO/PABA treatment for 30 minutes
8:45pm to 9:05pm 20 minutes of bundled stretches
11:05pm to 11:20pm 15 minutes of wet jelqs
Ok fellas. I bought some 30 gauge syringes and injected with one. I still had to push the syringe hard to penetrate through the tunica into the CCs which was painful. I’m thinking about going even thinner and trying a 31 gauge syringe.
My dick is pretty sore from all Penis Enlargement work I’ve been inflicting on it. This morning I measured my morning wood and stats still remain at npbel 9.5 x 6.4 midgirth. I’m definitely looking forward to getting my hands on some IGF-DES and DHT cream to add to my program.
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hopeing48x8;518247 said:
I've been using castor oil for the last few weeks and it works great. The first few applications I ever did irritated the hell out of my nuts and they shed their skin like a snake. Not too painful but annoying as hell. I was doing too much too soon. 40mins starting off. I've dialed it back to 20-30 mins and with the castor oil no problems. I read on a post( might be further back in this thread) any natural oil, so olive oil or similar should be fine.
Hey King, with the de-conditioning breaks, are you talking like 2 months of Penis Enlargement then 1 month off or more like 6 on 1 off? I've just had a forced month off due to an operation and I think it has been really helpful. I've been using DMSO/PABA but no stretches or such. Getting back into it now, so I think you may be on to something good with that.
I read that cylcing the DHT gel liek 6 weeks on, 6-12 weeks off is a good idea. Didn't read the PDF on chemical Penis Enlargement you had up yet so I don't know what they recommend but anything with testosterone or GH production I would not want to use for more than 6 weeks at a time
Where do you put in the DHT get? Is it applied on the dick only or on the glans too and the base?
MartinGlad;519260 said:
I would put it everywhere, including the testicles. Its testosterone so it would make sense to apply it to the testicles. Might have to be careful how thick you put it on - I'mnot sure if it burns or irritates? Also, only go for 4-6 weeks max with that shit. Then go off for at least 6 weeks. Like any supplement that fucks with your hormones.
bigdex28;520356 said:
Good call, my mistake. Maybe the original poster should stick to applying it just to the shaft.
Here is a link to an abstract where subjects were given DHT gel (Andractim) in an effort to increase penis size: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/puBathmateed/8326617?dopt=Abstract
^ I think he means your body will stop producing natural testosterone quicker if you apply the DHT directly to your balls. I've read that your body will stop producing it;s own nature testosterone if oyu use GH or DHT prolonged anyways, so I guess directly applying it to the source would shut it down quicker
bigdex28;520356 said:
Not to mention it burns like absolute hell.
hey guys I'm not huge into chemical Penis Enlargement but i was wondering what you guys think of this research chem i have heard nothing but great stuff from guys on boards calling it a miracle cure for joints and tendons and ligaments.
Its called Thymosin Beta
Increase muscle growth with huge increases in endurance and strength noted
Relaxed muscle spasm Improved muscle tone
Increase the exchange of substance between cells
Encourage tissue repair Stretches connective tissue
Helps maintain flexibility Reduces inflammation of tissue in joint
Enhances nutritional components in the animal
Prevents the formations of adhesions and fibrous bands in muscles, tendons and ligaments.
so here is why i was thinking why it would be good for Penis Enlargement it increase flexibility in tendons and ligaments and prevents scare tissue
so lets say your hanging or stretching this could allow faster gains due to more stretch tendons and ligs that are not stretch to begin with plus the hindering of scaring allows for breaks in pe with out scar tissue, which is ten times as strong as regular tissue. you guys may already know about this stuff and its old news but i just thought i would through it out there. see what you thought. I'm going to take it just because i have joint issues and I'm getting ready for a show in june so bulking up now heavy lifting phase and i don't want to tear anything. but maybe it will help my Penis Enlargement.
Its called Thymosin Beta
Increase muscle growth with huge increases in endurance and strength noted
Relaxed muscle spasm Improved muscle tone
Increase the exchange of substance between cells
Encourage tissue repair Stretches connective tissue
Helps maintain flexibility Reduces inflammation of tissue in joint
Enhances nutritional components in the animal
Prevents the formations of adhesions and fibrous bands in muscles, tendons and ligaments.
so here is why i was thinking why it would be good for Penis Enlargement it increase flexibility in tendons and ligaments and prevents scare tissue
so lets say your hanging or stretching this could allow faster gains due to more stretch tendons and ligs that are not stretch to begin with plus the hindering of scaring allows for breaks in pe with out scar tissue, which is ten times as strong as regular tissue. you guys may already know about this stuff and its old news but i just thought i would through it out there. see what you thought. I'm going to take it just because i have joint issues and I'm getting ready for a show in june so bulking up now heavy lifting phase and i don't want to tear anything. but maybe it will help my Penis Enlargement.
MikeShlort;519319 said:
you don't want to put it on your testicals as your testicals produce test you don't want to single them that there is no need for them to produce test. it is the same effect as injecting test your testicals shrink due to singles in the blood stream saying there is to much test in the body don't produce test. the body then slows or shuts down the production of the LHF mormon that tells the testicals to produce test.
so when bigdex28 say shuts you down harder he is right cuz your going right to the source and chemically telling the balls to stop producing test.
I was incorrect when I said to put it on testicles. I later corrected my error a couple posts after the fact. I own a ROP. Only put the DHT on your penis, avoid testicles.
I'm not taking any DHT but I will be once I resume girth work, in a couple years.
Hey fellas. Yeah you definitely don't want to put DHT on your balls. You just apply it to the shaft and the head of the penis.
On other news. Just started back up with PGE1 erections every day since Friday. Been injecting igf-des and TB4/TB-500 since last Monday. My new schedule is to do my PGE1/IGF-DES/TB4 erections 5 days a week. Shooting for 2 to 4 hour erections. I will be shooting for the 4 hour erections on my off days at work with 90 to 100% erections. On the days where I do my PGE1 injections at work Im shooting for 2 to 3 hours at only about75% erection so on these days less PGE1 dosage is used for this. I was thinking about injecting the igf-des 6 to 7 days a week meaning injecting it by itself on my PGE1 off days. I want as much cell divison and hyperplasia local in the penis as possible everyday for the most part. With the use of the cockring on for 20 to 30 minutes combined with igf-des's short 10 to 15 minute half life, I should for the most part be protected from any unwanted systematic inhanced cell division in other areas of the body.
So all in all PGE1 and TB4 will be injected into my penis 5 days a week and IGF-DES will be injected 5 to 7 days a week.
Once I get my vac hanger and weight [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] sleeve gets in the mail Im looking to getting 3 to 4 twenty minute hanging sets a day. I plan on doing 1 to 2 sets of lig hanging, 1 to 2 sets of tunica hanging, 1 to 2 sets of over the leg hanging to the left and to the right. Basically hitting the penis from all angles. I will break up my hanging sets through out the day. Some sets will be before my PGE1/igf-des/TB4 injections to cause controlled damage to the tissues which makes the receptors in the penis more sensitive to the igf-des inducing hyperplasia. Some hanging sets will also be after my chemical erections subside to take advantage of all the tunica cologan delinking that pge1 does.
In between all of the hanging and chemical erections I will be wearing my new 1 LB weighted sleeve I just ordered to keep light tension on my penis for 4 to 8 hours a day to keep the microscopic gaps/wounds I created with my workouts open to stimulate cell divison, filling in the gaps which will accumilate into new raw tissue mass. The tb4 will help keep the tissue flexable and imflamation down. Not to mention TB4 accelerates wound healing and also enduces promotion of cell migration and angiogenesis. With the IGF-DES also causing angiogenesis and enhanced cell proliferation in the smooth muscles, my penis will be getting hit with a double dose of cell growth producing peptides.
Add in some heavy tension from hanging, heavy stress from chemical erections and light tension from an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] system for 4 to 8 hours a day in between sessions and you have a recipe for growth.
Heres what I've been donig so far since I received my new chems to start my new chem cycle.
December 10 through December 18, 2012
Morning: 20 TO 30 minute DMSO/PABA treatment/ 20 minutes of manual stretching/ Injected 20 mcgs of IGF-DES and 100 mcgs of TB4 in the left or right chamber with a cockring on to keep chems local in the shaft for 30 minutes.
December 14 to December 18, 2012
Morning: 20 TO 30 minute DMSO/PABA treatment/ 20 minutes of manual stretching/ Injected 10 mcgs of PGE1, 20 mcgs of IGF-DES and 100 mcgs of TB4 in the left or right chamber with a cockring on to keep chems local in the shaft for 30 minutes.
Erection times have been averaging from 75% to 80% for 2 to 3 hours.
Im taking tomorrow off. Hopefully I'll get my vac hanger in the mail no later then tomorrow so I can commense with my protocal on Thursday.
Once I start back on Thursday I'll write my workouts in better detail on each Penis Enlargement day like I use too.
On other news. Just started back up with PGE1 erections every day since Friday. Been injecting igf-des and TB4/TB-500 since last Monday. My new schedule is to do my PGE1/IGF-DES/TB4 erections 5 days a week. Shooting for 2 to 4 hour erections. I will be shooting for the 4 hour erections on my off days at work with 90 to 100% erections. On the days where I do my PGE1 injections at work Im shooting for 2 to 3 hours at only about75% erection so on these days less PGE1 dosage is used for this. I was thinking about injecting the igf-des 6 to 7 days a week meaning injecting it by itself on my PGE1 off days. I want as much cell divison and hyperplasia local in the penis as possible everyday for the most part. With the use of the cockring on for 20 to 30 minutes combined with igf-des's short 10 to 15 minute half life, I should for the most part be protected from any unwanted systematic inhanced cell division in other areas of the body.
So all in all PGE1 and TB4 will be injected into my penis 5 days a week and IGF-DES will be injected 5 to 7 days a week.
Once I get my vac hanger and weight [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] sleeve gets in the mail Im looking to getting 3 to 4 twenty minute hanging sets a day. I plan on doing 1 to 2 sets of lig hanging, 1 to 2 sets of tunica hanging, 1 to 2 sets of over the leg hanging to the left and to the right. Basically hitting the penis from all angles. I will break up my hanging sets through out the day. Some sets will be before my PGE1/igf-des/TB4 injections to cause controlled damage to the tissues which makes the receptors in the penis more sensitive to the igf-des inducing hyperplasia. Some hanging sets will also be after my chemical erections subside to take advantage of all the tunica cologan delinking that pge1 does.
In between all of the hanging and chemical erections I will be wearing my new 1 LB weighted sleeve I just ordered to keep light tension on my penis for 4 to 8 hours a day to keep the microscopic gaps/wounds I created with my workouts open to stimulate cell divison, filling in the gaps which will accumilate into new raw tissue mass. The tb4 will help keep the tissue flexable and imflamation down. Not to mention TB4 accelerates wound healing and also enduces promotion of cell migration and angiogenesis. With the IGF-DES also causing angiogenesis and enhanced cell proliferation in the smooth muscles, my penis will be getting hit with a double dose of cell growth producing peptides.
Add in some heavy tension from hanging, heavy stress from chemical erections and light tension from an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] system for 4 to 8 hours a day in between sessions and you have a recipe for growth.
Heres what I've been donig so far since I received my new chems to start my new chem cycle.
December 10 through December 18, 2012
Morning: 20 TO 30 minute DMSO/PABA treatment/ 20 minutes of manual stretching/ Injected 20 mcgs of IGF-DES and 100 mcgs of TB4 in the left or right chamber with a cockring on to keep chems local in the shaft for 30 minutes.
December 14 to December 18, 2012
Morning: 20 TO 30 minute DMSO/PABA treatment/ 20 minutes of manual stretching/ Injected 10 mcgs of PGE1, 20 mcgs of IGF-DES and 100 mcgs of TB4 in the left or right chamber with a cockring on to keep chems local in the shaft for 30 minutes.
Erection times have been averaging from 75% to 80% for 2 to 3 hours.
Im taking tomorrow off. Hopefully I'll get my vac hanger in the mail no later then tomorrow so I can commense with my protocal on Thursday.
Once I start back on Thursday I'll write my workouts in better detail on each Penis Enlargement day like I use too.
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You get your DHT from Allsaints, kingsnake?
Hey MikeShlort. Yep. Once I save up enough money Im getting my DHT from Allsaints. Fellas, for those that plan on taking DHT cream becareful and treat it as a steriod cycle because that's exactly what it is. It's best to take dht in 1 month cycles. 1 month on, 1 month off. You don't want to be severly shutting down your on dht production by staying on this stuff to long. I plan on using DHT strictly for gains then Im getting the fuck off the stuff. I think for those that are going to go down the dht cream route, it's a good idea to get some novadex or clomid on hand as a post cycle therapy treatment to get your testicles producing natural dht again as you cycle off the DHT cream.