My easy to follow yet powerful routine

Evilfox;579642 said:

Hello, you are posting in the newbies section, please if you can avoid using acronyms, Thanks!

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Sorry for the confusion. My current routine is based around the fibrosis theory so it's ideal for begginers and it's very simple unlike before.

First thing first the fibrosis issue with the urologists. They say if you do heavy girth work such as pumping and clamping or go too hard in general it can cause fibrosis in the penis. Basically the lighter work you could have gained from is thrown out by the excessive pe routine and your body fights the growth process. So it's best to start out as light as possible and preferably length before girth.

The urologist also mentions length should come before girth and to actually fullfill your length goal before doing any kind of girth work. With the exception of light work such as jelqing and edging.

I will post links of the articles but I believe one got deleted because the poster had too many comments.

After reading these articles I stopped pumping. That's when my routine was altered towards achieving my length goal of 9", my last measurement I was hitting well above the 7" mark and surprisingly almost 8" if I pressed the tape measure into my pubic bone and I was below 7" when I started with not much girth gain maybe going above 5" from a .2 inch girth gain. But all these gains were from my sporadic learning years.

Only now have I reached a point where I can continually do pe 24/7 with the products I have. I will make a items list tomorrow so you know exactly what I'm using. But I'm mainly using the size genetics extender with the penis master pro (air device), 2 foreskin restoration tools wich I will mention in the list. The xsleeves from autoextender, especially the soft xsleeve for sleeping. The fleshlite for edging. The fast mini Jelq method and long edging sessions in the fleshlite.

I will give a detailed list and how to use them but those are pretty much the key items. The 2 foreskin restoration products are the TLC-X tugger and the DRT (dual tension restorer). This routine will be especially good for people who want to regrow foreskin and length at the same time. I love how the foreskin glides it also gives me gains using the devices. Also hanging will be coming to increase length work in the future with the lg hanger but I'm going to save that for a little later.

Also the penimaster I haven't even opened yet that is supposed to be a Jelqing tool. I don't expect a better Jelq than my hands but I'm interested in the massaging aspect.

I will give a product list and details on using them soon.

Another quick note is I had to use wart freezer to heal warts caused by over pumping with the Bathmate and it took long too heal. At the time I was also healing from overdoing it in the extender so watch out and start out very very light because injuries even minor ones will take you out the game for a while so you want to stay steady.

The good thing is you don't need warm-ups cause your starting out so light and your body is adapting naturally.

A way to make things more intense would be to somehow wear the size genetics and penimaster all day and sleep with it on or another product you can use with the size genetics. Called phallosen I believe and it's similar to the penimaster in that it uses air but it's a bit more expensive. I'm going to have to do more research on the phallosen to get an idea.

PS: The jelqing tool I was referring to in the last post was the penilizer.

truant;580558 said:

Also the penimaster I haven't even opened yet that is supposed to be a Jelqing tool. I don't expect a better Jelq than my hands but I'm interested in the massaging aspect.

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Nothing is better than your hands for jelqing. Devices can not mimic the intensity and variation to size and shape that the hands can.

truant;580558 said:

Also the penimaster I haven't even opened yet that is supposed to be a Jelqing tool. I don't expect a better Jelq than my hands but I'm interested in the massaging aspect.

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Nothing is better than your hands for jelqing. Devices can not mimic the intensity and variation to size and shape that the hands can.

doublelongdaddy;580898 said:

Nothing is better than your hands for jelqing. Devices can not mimic the intensity and variation to size and shape that the hands can.

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Real talk DLD I need to do more manuals and Jelqs. Haven't been on here in a while the forums seemed to have been down but now they are back up and good to see you back DLD.

My journey has been interesting over the past few months with ups and downs and new tools such as the phallosan. I want to get in detail about the phallosan and the PMP and my progress with them so far like why you shouldn't use lube with silicone in it with the PMP cause it will dry out the skin really bad. Also the learning curve with the phallosan and the difference between the two devices. Will post again soon. Thanks

truant;594450 said:

Real talk DLD I need to do more manuals and Jelqs. Haven't been on here in a while the forums seemed to have been down but now they are back up and good to see you back DLD.

My journey has been interesting over the past few months with ups and downs and new tools such as the phallosan. I want to get in detail about the phallosan and the PMP and my progress with them so far like why you shouldn't use lube with silicone in it with the PMP cause it will dry out the skin really bad. Also the learning curve with the phallosan and the difference between the two devices. Will post again soon. Thanks

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The hands have the ability to squeeze with accuracy and to loosen or tighten a grip at will, something that is just not available in a device yet. I have a particular interest in the Phallosan for it's ability to stretch at night but I need a lot more experience. Is yours the newest Phallosan or the old model?

doublelongdaddy;594467 said:

The hands have the ability to squeeze with accuracy and to loosen or tighten a grip at will, something that is just not available in a device yet. I have a particular interest in the Phallosan for it's ability to stretch at night but I need a lot more experience. Is yours the newest Phallosan or the old model?

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I ordered the phallosan 2 months ago so I believe it's the new version unless they came out with a new version more recently. Yeah DLD I've actually saw a noticable difference when I was doing manuals with the devices compared to when I wasn't. The gains looked like they were coming a long a lot faster with the manuals incorporated and also when I was doing a daily 30 min. Edging session to ���� as an exercise aswell as kegels. The erect manual work was just supplementing the devices very well.

Now what happened with the penis master pro was that I was using silicone based lube with the device as reccomended and a couple weeks later it would reak havoc on the skin of my glans. Even when I upgraded to a organic silicone lube. So now I bought a bottle of sliquid gel which is just a thick water based lube and that's really the only option I have unless someone else has an idea. My skin is healing so havnt tried the PMP with the water based lube but I've used worse like oil products and it worked just fine it just degraded the latex parts so that's why I got the thicker water base lube.

The penis master pro with size genetics extender setup has been a more reliable tool than the phallosan SO FAR. The penis master pro will grip your head and not let go and it will let you take your glans out of the chamber half way or more until it only grips the very tip of glans which is great cause it gets cramped in the chamber and you can spent hours in the penis master pro like that with glans out of the chamber but still getting stretched it's wonderful.

The phallosan is a little bit awkward in that it uses a belt to give you a stretch and not the extender like the PMP. I found out I had to use the smallest suction cup size so it wouldn't lose suction like the med and large size was. I have to slip into it using my creams but the good thing is I can slide in easy with the cream and it doesn't lose suction with smallest size. I can and have worn the phallosan to work and to bed without issues. It's just the condom sleeves they give you are expensive and the smallest one broke in the shower already with soap.

I would suggest using rubbing alcohol to clean the latex sleeve condoms the phallosan comes with. Also using the medium condom sleeve with the small bell for most people because the small condom sleeve can break easy and the medium may work just as well and be more comfortable than just take it out of the alcohol rinse extra good and powder and your good to go.

Also if you use silicone sleeves make sure you clean those with alcohol as well and not soap because it will leave a smell. But if you don't rinse the sleeves well you can get a rash from the alcohol. So what I've done is wrap my penis with plastic wrap then the sleeves which is actually healthy method for skin you just change the plastic wrap and good to go.

A lot of things I noticed is stuff about cleaning the tools properly and it also helped me to learn and respect them.

As for the penis master pro and phallosan. I use both, the PMP for heavy duty stretching when I'm home and the phallosan for a light stretch at work and sleeping. Both devices really compliment each other I have nothing bad to say about them except the phallosan has a steeper learning curve.

Can you wear the phallson comfortably walking around at work?

8incyclops;594569 said:

Can you wear the phallson comfortably walking around at work?

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Yes, the phallosan is very comfortable to the point where you forget you have it on. I had a pep in my step because I knew I was killing two birds with one stone. It seems it's easier to keep the tension with the belt while standing and walking opposed to sleeping and you wake up and your getting 0 stretch. After coming home from work I noticed I was still in the green zone of tension and took it off to find a noticeably stretched flaccid. That was only in the green tension zone and there is a learning curve because I haven't fiqured out how to keep the tension in yellow because the belt tensioner stops while your in green so it's tricky. I still have no idea how I'm going to get higher tensions with the phallosan belt I need to call them or something.

So there is a steep learning curve with this thing. I'm just glad I can fit in that small bell or it would never stay on. You have to be a monster just for the medium size bell not to lose suction and slip off. The small is perfect and really does hold like glue only cause my glans exceed the size of the small bell I just need to use my creams to slide in but it fits like a glove. You just need the condom sleeves they give you cause it will lose suction immediately without them but they can be half assed with the small bell because you really get good grip in that.

truant;594575 said:

Yes, the phallosan is very comfortable to the point where you forget you have it on. I had a pep in my step because I knew I was killing two birds with one stone. It seems it's easier to keep the tension with the belt while standing and walking opposed to sleeping and you wake up and your getting 0 stretch. After coming home from work I noticed I was still in the green zone of tension and took it off to find a noticeably stretched flaccid. That was only in the green tension zone and there is a learning curve because I haven't fiqured out how to keep the tension in yellow because the belt tensioner stops while your in green so it's tricky. I still have no idea how I'm going to get higher tensions with the phallosan belt I need to call them or something.

So there is a steep learning curve with this thing. I'm just glad I can fit in that small bell or it would never stay on. You have to be a monster just for the medium size bell not to lose suction and slip off. The small is perfect and really does hold like glue only cause my glans exceed the size of the small bell I just need to use my creams to slide in but it fits like a glove. You just need the condom sleeves they give you cause it will lose suction immediately without them but they can be half assed with the small bell because you really get good grip in that.

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what is the longest you've worn it for? I am very interested in this product. Is it safe to say you believe it is worth the money??

truant;594575 said:

So there is a steep learning curve with this thing. I'm just glad I can fit in that small bell or it would never stay on. You have to be a monster just for the medium size bell not to lose suction and slip off. The small is perfect and really does hold like glue only cause my glans exceed the size of the small bell I just need to use my creams to slide in but it fits like a glove. You just need the condom sleeves they give you cause it will lose suction immediately without them but they can be half assed with the small bell because you really get good grip in that.

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You can use the silicone sleeves from abs or xsleeve to replace the condoms if they have suction issues. It seems like the protector cap may be helping w/ the suction also while using the small bell. Since it barely fits in there. The condom sleeves replace the need for needing new condoms

There is an adjustment video for the belt on their youtube page that might help you get out of the green. You should try removing some slack in the belt and seeing if that helps. As long as the pump/attachment point is not resting on your hip, holding the springs back from reaching the yellow. You might try researching the use of the TLC belt + phallosan, as some users are doing this. Seems most are doing this for base pain reasons, but you might check if it helps w/ increasing spring tensions to get higher on the color markers.


What are you using the "creams" on? The protector cap?

You might try the medium w/ a cream substance inside near the base of the condom (where it rolls), so that it can help create a seal. Never heard of anyone doing this, but it could possibly help for suction issues. Kind of like how people use vaseline w/ the BM.

smerc;594625 said:

You can use the silicone sleeves from abs or xsleeve to replace the condoms if they have suction issues. It seems like the protector cap may be helping w/ the suction also while using the small bell. Since it barely fits in there. The condom sleeves replace the need for needing new condoms

There is an adjustment video for the belt on their youtube page that might help you get out of the green. You should try removing some slack in the belt and seeing if that helps. As long as the pump/attachment point is not resting on your hip, holding the springs back from reaching the yellow. You might try researching the use of the TLC belt + phallosan, as some users are doing this. Seems most are doing this for base pain reasons, but you might check if it helps w/ increasing spring tensions to get higher on the color markers.


What are you using the "creams" on? The protector cap?

You might try the medium w/ a cream substance inside near the base of the condom (where it rolls), so that it can help create a seal. Never heard of anyone doing this, but it could possibly help for suction issues. Kind of like how people use vaseline w/ the BM.

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http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...cial-Delivery***-8x6-***-����-STAR-PACKAGE***

Truant, If you go to post #17 in that thread you can see pics of a guy who used sleeves from autoextender sleeves to modify and improve his phallosan. They are great pics!! This is what Smerc was saying you could do. Check out that thread

smerc;594625 said:

You can use the silicone sleeves from abs or xsleeve to replace the condoms if they have suction issues. It seems like the protector cap may be helping w/ the suction also while using the small bell. Since it barely fits in there. The condom sleeves replace the need for needing new condoms

There is an adjustment video for the belt on their youtube page that might help you get out of the green. You should try removing some slack in the belt and seeing if that helps. As long as the pump/attachment point is not resting on your hip, holding the springs back from reaching the yellow. You might try researching the use of the TLC belt + phallosan, as some users are doing this. Seems most are doing this for base pain reasons, but you might check if it helps w/ increasing spring tensions to get higher on the color markers.


What are you using the "creams" on? The protector cap?

You might try the medium w/ a cream substance inside near the base of the condom (where it rolls), so that it can help create a seal. Never heard of anyone doing this, but it could possibly help for suction issues. Kind of like how people use vaseline w/ the BM.

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^This. You have answered pretty much all my questions about the phallosan. Thank you for telling me about the xsleeves because I really like those sleeves and I was trying to find a use for them again and that's a huge advantage because they are way cheaper than the condoms from phallosan I'm glad I didn't order them that's a very nifty trick I need to try. As for the TLC mod I heard of people using the TLC belt from other forums when I googled it but not the sleeves was going to get the belt but now I def am to try the TLC belt with the phallosan. The creams I use are non petroleum jelly like aquafur and waxalene and I apply it on the glans so I can slide in the small bell. If I used the protector cap I wouldn't beable to fit in the small bell but maybe the medium. When wearing the small bell I can pull hard on it and it won't come off so I think it would great with just the xsleeves and small bell alone for a clean and simple mod a long with the TLC belt. This is great news. Do you know which xsleeves he gets? Right now I have a half of a soft and hard sleeve left over.

That's interesting what you say about how to tension the belt and mess with the slack I knew there was a trick to the belt lol that's crazy. I will get the TLC belt I wonder what the difference will be and it's always good to have another belt they are pretty cheap too. Thanks so much for the good info.

youknowme123321;594631 said:

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...cial-Delivery***-8x6-***-����-STAR-PACKAGE***

Truant, If you go to post #17 in that thread you can see pics of a guy who used sleeves from autoextender sleeves to modify and improve his phallosan. They are great pics!! This is what Smerc was saying you could do. Check out that thread

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I think it's well worth it for what it does and especially after what smerc said about using it with the xsleeves and TLC belt that's going to make a really cool and simple mod. Thanks for the link that helps add to the info about the phallosan on this page.

smerc;594625 said:

You can use the silicone sleeves from abs or xsleeve to replace the condoms if they have suction issues. The condom sleeves replace the need for needing new condoms

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Meant to say, the silicone sleeves (referring to abs/xleeve) replace the need to keep replacing the condoms (also saving $$$) every 2-3 months.

You could also use a balloon. You roll the end where you blow on, onto the bell. Then cut w/ scissors somewhere in the middle of the balloon, depending on your flaccid stretched girth. This is just a text example for the 12" balloons. You can't use the opening of the balloon the opposite way as this will act as a cockring, which is what you don't want.

You can also use the medium bell + medium condom and cut a 1/2" out of the middle of a balloon, then stretch that part over the bottom of the condom where it's losing suction. This will establish pressure @ the condom base making sure no air is let out.

Most people just get the TLC/VLC belt due to base pain from the phallosan foam ring. There could be other reasons though, but I have yet to see them.

[from another forum] Here is another example of another sleeve and which to get. It shouldn't matter as long as suction/seal is kept.
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smerc;594806 said:

Meant to say, the silicone sleeves (referring to abs/xleeve) replace the need to keep replacing the condoms (also saving $$$) every 2-3 months.

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I prefer the xsleeves over absilicone.

Hmmm the sleeve shown in the pic looks like a xsleeve (soft) attached to the bell which makes sense because the soft sleeves are the easiest and most comfortable to work with very interesting you have peeked my interest.

You can use balloons too that's crazy I would have never guessed you can use silicone sleeves that changes everything because your saving so much money not having to buy the condoms from phallosan and plus it's easier to put the silicone sleeves on the bell! The condoms were cumbersome and annoying and broke easy.

Also it's true that foam ring was uncomfortable I didn't know the TLC mod enabled you to use the phallosan without the without the foam ring that's awesome.

I have to say these changes make a huge difference I can actually wear this thing and make gains along with my PMP I can't wait to get back into it thank you mos brothers for the tips I'm going to order more soft xsleeves and TLC belts in all 3 colors lol.

PS: didn't know there was a phallosan forte section now lol is mos giving discounts on that now?

I'm also curious to see how the TLC belt differs in tensioning compared the the belt the phallosan came with. I haven't tried that method with the phallosan belt yet I can only stay low green as of now.

truant;594823 said:

PS: didn't know there was a phallosan forte section now lol is mos giving discounts on that now?

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You get free condom sleeves w/ purchases. That's the deal offer it seems.