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Good morning to you all,

I'm new to this forum but not in entirely new to PE. I know about the basics, like SRT - Suppressed-Restricted-Transposition Theory.
I have two questions about the girth-workout in general.

I ordered the MityVac - Wet and Dry Penis Vacuum Pump System just yesterday, I want to upgrade from doing the SSJ only to pumping and SSJ, if my EQ allows that.
The EQ I have is shit, but that's not my bodies fault, it's my brains that's messing with me. I'm pretty sure I had �naked people movies� addiction in the past and
that fucked with my brain, so �naked people movies� isn't doing shit for me. I really have to work hard and find the exact right clip to even get myself excited.
It works perfectly with viagra oder Cialis after a longer break, but even that gets harder and harder the longer I keep doing girth with �naked people movies�. Even Viagra only works if you are feeling sexual arousal and that's really hard for me with �naked people movies�, I just watched to many videos over the years.

I'm already doing a pretty tough Kegel-routine, that front is covered pretty well.

I would love to starte the Girth program (SRT 5x5x3) routine but I already know that it's not going to work for my. The longes I can stay fully erect during a SSJ is up to 2 minutes and that only works at the beginning of the girth-workout. Right now my routine was 30-40 minutes SSJ in total, at the end of the session I can only hold the jelly for max 30 seconds, the penis is just to tired.
The expansion is fine. At the end while wearing the cocking I'm almost 3/4 inch bigger with minimal fluid built-up.

Can I reduce the 5x5x3 to maybe 5x5x2 and split that up, doing one set of each in the morning and one during the evening?
Right now I wanted to focus on girth only, my BPEL is already at 7,6, so for right now my girth is lacking behind.

The second question is about the cocking that you put on after the workout. I know that you want to heal in an extended state, that concept is pretty straight forward.
Which extended state is the one we want. Right now I'm only wearing the ring for 30 min because it gets really annoying for me to watch �naked people movies� for that long while stroking my dick.
Doing this means I get the absolut maximum expansion for the healing but is that the state we want and need or is the way I do it overkill?
I could try and tighten the ring but I'm unsure about the safety of that. If the ring is so tight that you can do something else and the extended state keeps staying, that means the blood flow is completely stopped. I always thought that was considered clamping and that is very dangerous, at least that's what I read.

Cheers

Chris
 
Welcome my new brother! You do not pawn you can use much more innocent material to accomplish you needs. With viagra you should be 💯
 
Welcome to the brotherhood, or rather, welcome back to the PE brotherhood.

As DLD said, best not to rely on adult entertainment to get excited. PIED (PRN induced erectile dysfunction) can be reset, but you have to cut it out. It can be a few months to a few years, based on the mental strength of a person. Visual stimulation of the opposite sex can be done simply going to gym, the beach, the clubs, whatever you like. It just take time for your brain to reset back to observation and imagination modes. Chemical-base stimuli like Viagra and Cialis can help. I can't say how long it will be beneficial to you before your body adapts to it, but our brother DLD has been using it for so long that it still works for him. Everyone is definitely different.

Manjo said:
I would love to starte the 5x5x3 routine but I already know that it's not going to work for my. The longes I can stay fully erect during a SSJ is up to 2 minutes and that only works at the beginning of the girth-workout. Right now my routine was 30-40 minutes SSJ in total, at the end of the session I can only hold the jelly for max 30 seconds, the penis is just to tired.
The expansion is fine. At the end while wearing the cocking I'm almost 3/4 inch bigger with minimal fluid built-up.

Can I reduce the 5x5x3 to maybe 5x5x2 and split that up, doing one set of each in the morning and one during the evening?
Right now I wanted to focus on girth only, my BPEL is already at 7,6, so for right now my girth is lacking behind.
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Yes, you can break it down to 5x5x2 for two sessions. 5x5x3 is to promote single continuous sessions to max out the expansion capacity. But if you're planning on keeping a passive expansion throughout the day using cock ring(s) and erections to cycling in the blood, you can truly break it down to two times a day. You can even break it down to 3x3x2 twice a day to prevent extreme fatigue if you're going this route.

If you're not doing the all day cock ring and blood cycling, twice a day for the 5x5x2 is enough, as long as you perform the post 60 to 90 minutes expansion routine. Remember, do not let your blood pool more than 10 minutes. In my book, nothing more than 5 minutes. This is blood clot territory. More new blood, the penis will receive fresh essential building blocks to get the cells to produce and fill in the gaps.

Manjo said:
The second question is about the cocking that you put on after the workout. I know that you want to heal in an extended state, that concept is pretty straight forward.
Which extended state is the one we want. Right now I'm only wearing the ring for 30 min because it gets really annoying for me to watch ���� for that long while stroking my dick.
Doing this means I get the absolut maximum expansion for the healing but is that the state we want and need or is the way I do it overkill?
I could try and tighten the ring but I'm unsure about the safety of that. If the ring is so tight that you can do something else and the extended state keeps staying, that means the blood flow is completely stopped. I always thought that was considered clamping and that is very dangerous, at least that's what I read.
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Wear the ring as long as you can. Get an erection, let it sits for 5 to 10 minutes, push the old blood out, and get new blood in. Ease up and get out of watching the videos. Get into the habit of using your mind to visualize the lady of choice that you desire to have. This is more healthy. When you stroke, why not using a toy to stimulate, either be the electronic strokers, a silicone type female anatomical model, or just warm sensational massages?

The truth behind blood trapping is you only need to be at 80% erected That is more than sufficient amount of gap maintenance for the cells to replicate and fill in the gaps. If you can get 100% to 105% erection volume (not sexual exited erection) within that 5 to 10 minutes, even better. That means you can get your blood to cycle at a phenomenal rate. I can only maintain at 100% erection volume for around 40 minutes before my penis get fatigue. I have to reduce down to 80% there after. But that's still where the magic lies. Your body already know that there are gaps to be filled and will respond accordingly within the first 45 minutes.
 
Manjo said:
Good morning to you all,

I'm new to this forum but not in entirely new to PE. I know about the basics, like SRT.
I have two questions about the girth-workout in general.

I ordered the MityVac just yesterday, I want to upgrade from doing the SSJ only to pumping and SSJ, if my EQ allows that.
The EQ I have is shit, but that's not my bodies fault, it's my brains that's messing with me. I'm pretty sure I had ���� addiction in the past and
that fucked with my brain, so ���� isn't doing shit for me. I really have to work hard and find the exact right clip to even get myself excited.
It works perfectly with viagra oder Cialis after a longer break, but even that gets harder and harder the longer I keep doing girth with ����. Even Viagra only works if you are feeling sexual arousal and that's really hard for me with ����, I just watched to many videos over the years.

I'm already doing a pretty tough Kegel-routine, that front is covered pretty well.

I would love to starte the 5x5x3 routine but I already know that it's not going to work for my. The longes I can stay fully erect during a SSJ is up to 2 minutes and that only works at the beginning of the girth-workout. Right now my routine was 30-40 minutes SSJ in total, at the end of the session I can only hold the jelly for max 30 seconds, the penis is just to tired.
The expansion is fine. At the end while wearing the cocking I'm almost 3/4 inch bigger with minimal fluid built-up.

Can I reduce the 5x5x3 to maybe 5x5x2 and split that up, doing one set of each in the morning and one during the evening?
Right now I wanted to focus on girth only, my BPEL is already at 7,6, so for right now my girth is lacking behind.

The second question is about the cocking that you put on after the workout. I know that you want to heal in an extended state, that concept is pretty straight forward.
Which extended state is the one we want. Right now I'm only wearing the ring for 30 min because it gets really annoying for me to watch ���� for that long while stroking my dick.
Doing this means I get the absolut maximum expansion for the healing but is that the state we want and need or is the way I do it overkill?
I could try and tighten the ring but I'm unsure about the safety of that. If the ring is so tight that you can do something else and the extended state keeps staying, that means the blood flow is completely stopped. I always thought that was considered clamping and that is very dangerous, at least that's what I read.

Cheers

Chris
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my friend i am like 10 time worst than you - i cant EVEN have more than 80% erection. I cant even maintain my 80% erection more than 5 seconds!! No bullshit its true! I have my psychological problems too!! But SSJ is the trick here: The moment you erect, that moment you kegel and you do clamp-like with your hands and thats it! for me its so difficult that after each session i feel i have lost KG like going to gym LOL and trust me I am very depressed with many many psycho problems but I try my friend. I have understood here that the trick is to be consistent with your routine (which is the most difficult part)
 
oldandlively said:
Welcome to the brotherhood, or rather, welcome back to the PE brotherhood.

As DLD said, best not to rely on adult entertainment to get excited. PIED (PRN induced erectile dysfunction) can be reset, but you have to cut it out. It can be a few months to a few years, based on the mental strength of a person. Visual stimulation of the opposite sex can be done simply going to gym, the beach, the clubs, whatever you like. It just take time for your brain to reset back to observation and imagination modes. Chemical-base stimuli like Viagra and Cialis can help. I can't say how long it will be beneficial to you before your body adapts to it, but our brother DLD has been using it for so long that it still works for him. Everyone is definitely different.



Yes, you can break it down to 5x5x2 for two sessions. 5x5x3 is to promote single continuous sessions to max out the expansion capacity. But if you're planning on keeping a passive expansion throughout the day using cock ring(s) and erections to cycling in the blood, you can truly break it down to two times a day. You can even break it down to 3x3x2 twice a day to prevent extreme fatigue if you're going this route.

If you're not doing the all day cock ring and blood cycling, twice a day for the 5x5x2 is enough, as long as you perform the post 60 to 90 minutes expansion routine. Remember, do not let your blood pool more than 10 minutes. In my book, nothing more than 5 minutes. This is blood clot territory. More new blood, the penis will receive fresh essential building blocks to get the cells to produce and fill in the gaps.


Wear the ring as long as you can. Get an erection, let it sits for 5 to 10 minutes, push the old blood out, and get new blood in. Ease up and get out of watching the videos. Get into the habit of using your mind to visualize the lady of choice that you desire to have. This is more healthy. When you stroke, why not using a toy to stimulate, either be the electronic strokers, a silicone type female anatomical model, or just warm sensational massages?

The truth behind blood trapping is you only need to be at 80% erected That is more than sufficient amount of gap maintenance for the cells to replicate and fill in the gaps. If you can get 100% to 105% erection volume (not sexual exited erection) within that 5 to 10 minutes, even better. That means you can get your blood to cycle at a phenomenal rate. I can only maintain at 100% erection volume for around 40 minutes before my penis get fatigue. I have to reduce down to 80% there after. But that's still where the magic lies. Your body already know that there are gaps to be filled and will respond accordingly within the first 45 minutes.
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So, we must put the cockring as much as we can?
 
kriskros said:
So, we must put the cockring as much as we can?
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Cock ring is used as a promotor for blood volume restrictive work throughout the day. Do you need it on constantly? No. Should you? Yes, to the best that you can, comfortably. If you can't handle it, limit the use time. Just like the all day stretcher, if you can do a little bit, you get little gain. If you put time into it, you get more gains. Cock ring simply the flip side of the ADS. The more you can wear to get more fresh cycled blood into the penis, the more the penis have the necessary building blocks to aid the growth. Can't have growth without the essential build blocks, and limited building blocks (from just 60 to 90 minutes post pumping) may not be enough for some. This is where your observation is needed.
 
oldandlively said:
Cock ring is used as a promotor for blood volume restrictive work throughout the day. Do you need it on constantly? No. Should you? Yes, to the best that you can, comfortably. If you can't handle it, limit the use time. Just like the all day stretcher, if you can do a little bit, you get little gain. If you put time into it, you get more gains. Cock ring simply the flip side of the ADS. The more you can wear to get more fresh cycled blood into the penis, the more the penis have the necessary building blocks to aid the growth. Can't have growth without the essential build blocks, and limited building blocks (from just 60 to 90 minutes post pumping) may not be enough for some. This is where your observation is needed.
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How does it gets fresh cycled blood to penis? With cockring you literally almost cut the blood. At least that's what happens to me and each 30 mins I need a refresh massage before usage. The question is, wearing it more will it give gains faster ? Shall someone wear it for hours even though his penis gets numbed ?
 
kriskros said:
my friend i am like 10 time worst than you - i cant EVEN have more than 80% erection. I cant even maintain my 80% erection more than 5 seconds!! No bullshit its true! I have my psychological problems too!! But SSJ is the trick here: The moment you erect, that moment you kegel and you do clamp-like with your hands and thats it! for me its so difficult that after each session i feel i have lost KG like going to gym LOL and trust me I am very depressed with many many psycho problems but I try my friend. I have understood here that the trick is to be consistent with your routine (which is the most difficult part)
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Have you considered viagra or cialis? It was a game changer for me
 
DLD said:
Have you considered viagra or cialis? It was a game changer for me
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It is a libido problem. I try to fix it. I am on hormone replacement therapy and on medications. It's really hard and I am afraid if this lack of erection power will make my routine to not work...really I am so afraid of that.
 
What is your highest erection level? Is 80% it is enough to gain girth. Why does your doctor not giving you viagra or cialis? Even with a lack in libido you will benefit.
 
kriskros said:
How does it gets fresh cycled blood to penis? With cockring you literally almost cut the blood. At least that's what happens to me and each 30 mins I need a refresh massage before usage. The question is, wearing it more will it give gains faster ? Shall someone wear it for hours even though his penis gets numbed ?
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Fresh blood cycling is through either removal of the cock ring, or those with normal erection, they can compress the old restricted blood and add in new blood through another erection. 5 minutes recommended, with 10 minutes safety limit warning. The 30 minutes is the total time to wear, not to let the blood pooled without new blood.

Cock ring is not meant to constrict the blood flow entirely. It only means to reduce the blood flow out. If you cut off the blood flow completely, that is a constriction and not restricting. This is where blood clotting issue happens, just exactly like clamping.
 
oldandlively said:
Fresh blood cycling is through either removal of the cock ring, or those with normal erection, they can compress the old restricted blood and add in new blood through another erection. 5 minutes recommended, with 10 minutes safety limit warning. The 30 minutes is the total time to wear, not to let the blood pooled without new blood.

Cock ring is not meant to constrict the blood flow entirely. It only means to reduce the blood flow out. If you cut off the blood flow completely, that is a constriction and not restricting. This is where blood clotting issue happens, just exactly like clamping.
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Very good points.
This relates to other devices as well.
 
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squirt_inducer_man said:
Very good points.
This relates to other devices as well.
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Indeed it relates to most equipment
 
DLD said:
What is your highest erection level? Is 80% it is enough to gain girth. Why does your doctor not giving you viagra or cialis? Even with a lack in libido you will benefit.
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If I am alone - no 5x5x3 - I can reach 85%. If I do just once the ssj and pump, the maximum is 60%-70%. My doctor gave me many cialis and viagra! They are not working as they were supposed to - at least on me.
The question is, why you need to be erected when entering the pump taking into account the fact that pump makes you erect - you just use more HG
 
kriskros said:
If I am alone - no 5x5x3 - I can reach 85%. If I do just once the ssj and pump, the maximum is 60%-70%. My doctor gave me many cialis and viagra! They are not working as they were supposed to - at least on me.
The question is, why you need to be erected when entering the pump taking into account the fact that pump makes you erect - you just use more HG
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No. You don't have to be erected when entering into the pump. It does help more, but not needed. However, once in the pump, do your very best to get more blood into the penis through light and moderate kegel exercises. This is the purpose of the pump in training your penis to get the penis out of the ED predicament. The pump itself does not provide the necessary means to draw the blood into the penis without your assistance to get the blood in. If you don't help to get the blood into the penis, the vacuum pressure will cause a fluid buildup instead.
 
oldandlively said:
No. You don't have to be erected when entering into the pump. It does help more, but not needed. However, once in the pump, do your very best to get more blood into the penis through light and moderate kegel exercises. This is the purpose of the pump in training your penis to get the penis out of the ED predicament. The pump itself does not provide the necessary means to draw the blood into the penis without your assistance to get the blood in. If you don't help to get the blood into the penis, the vacuum pressure will cause a fluid buildup instead.
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I think this is what I am getting. Fluid buildup. When 5x5x3, I do kegel for the whole time of the pump. 5 mins pump? Then 5 mins kegel non-stop. But While I am taking air and water out (I am using bathmate hydroextreme) I could swear that my penis is getting erected.
I need to understand the difference between expansion and fluid buildup. Do you have any photos on this?
 
kriskros said:
I think this is what I am getting. Fluid buildup. When 5x5x3, I do kegel for the whole time of the pump. 5 mins pump? Then 5 mins kegel non-stop. But While I am taking air and water out (I am using bathmate hydroextreme) I could swear that my penis is getting erected.
I need to understand the difference between expansion and fluid buildup. Do you have any photos on this?
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Brother @squirt_inducer_man you got some photos in the pump to share from your media for penis in the pump at full erection under pressure without fluid? I'm away from my media server right now.

Below is an example of fluid retention around the base of the glans to the very bottom of shaft. See how much the skin swells up with fluid? The glans on the other hand has good expansion. I would say it has around 15% expansion over the original normal erection. Looks like the person pumped at high pressure for over 30 minutes.

Swelling-erection.jpeg
 
oldandlively said:
Brother @squirt_inducer_man you got some photos in the pump to share from your media for penis in the pump at full erection under pressure without fluid? I'm away from my media server right now.

Below is an example of fluid retention around the base of the glans to the very bottom of shaft. See how much the skin swells up with fluid? The glans on the other hand has good expansion. I would say it has around 15% expansion over the original normal erection. Looks like the person pumped at high pressure for over 30 minutes.

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I have no pictures, something went terribly wrong.
 
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Damn......it's still very difficult to understand. I see the skin under the glans but I can do this to my skin even without water if I just use SSJ and put my hands on the skin of the glans. The glans then will be bigger in the pump because my SSJ used force on the skin.
About the shaft...can't see clearly.
Can we find another picture ? Shall i picture myself after ssj and pumping ?
The thing is, how to prevent fluid retention?
 
If you can't figure the different between a normal penis and fluid-filles penis with the attached photo, I don't know what to offer more as photo.

I hope I can capture some extreme photos of erected vs fluid filled penis from my sessions. Ooofffph..I'm going to feel this later. Take a photo before and after your pumping so we can provide evaluation as well. This way, it will be easier.

Fluid filled up under the skin of the penis tissue, just above the corpus cavernosa and spongiosum. The in-between tissue layer is your protective layer for your outer skin and your inner soft tissues. Any accidental cut or skin damages will be protected by this thick barrier where anticoagulants and antiinflammatory responses can act freely without having to send large volume of blood to the penis. Like I mentioned in many other posts, the penis is the location where the body pays the least attention to after maturity.

To prevent fluid retention, there are many ways. SSJ, reverse SSJ where you squeeze the fluid back into the body with reverse OK grip, force pressure around the penis shaft using your palms (literally choking method), or just allow the body to remove the fluid on its own by a day or two. This might be something for us brother to take photos and post as examples.
 
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