Vaseline_Knight said:
np buddy. and don't appologize, I posted sparkx's after your post, but I never read your post to address you in my response.

Keep deconditioning, you'd be a great candidate to test the validity of this theory.

D'oh! Had a brainfart there. LMAO sorry.

So now I'm wondering how long my break is going to be...

And are golf weights suitable for ADS? I can't do that bungee cord tied to the leg thing. (I know there's a belt ADS where your penis is pulled to the side. I might try that, but I dont have money for it right now.)
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
Umm no I'd think using those would delay Conditioning, but you'd still condition. So ya you're right you could extend the Penis Enlargement period to more than 12 days... but once ur gains come to halt, then how can you quicken the recovery and deconditioning phase?

and other than potaba, i know nothing of the effects of other things you mentioned. IGF-1 is a hormone and aloe vera is a moisturizer
Well, if something delays conditioning, wouldn't you expect it to speed up deconditioning as well?? The mechanism of slowing down conditioning is somehow adding an element of deconditioning...it's just that the rate of conditioning (from Penis Enlargement) exceeds the rate of deconditioning (from potentiators). Reread that if you need to. Therefore, potentiators in absence of Penis Enlargement should accelerate deconditioning.

IGF-1 is a potentiator in the Penis Enlargement patent...so I assume it increases tunica elasticity somehow. Deconditioning is basically making the tissue less hard. This is accomplished by making the membrane more fluid. Aloe vera can do that. It might need help from DMSO to penetrate the deep tissue layers, but it could possibly do that.
 
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goldmember said:
Well, if something delays conditioning, wouldn't you expect it to speed up deconditioning as well?? The mechanism of slowing down conditioning is somehow adding an element of deconditioning...it's just that the rate of conditioning (from Penis Enlargement) exceeds the rate of deconditioning (from potentiators). Reread that if you need to. Therefore, potentiators in absence of Penis Enlargement should accelerate deconditioning.

IGF-1 is a potentiator in the Penis Enlargement patent...so I assume it increases tunica elasticity somehow. Deconditioning is basically making the tissue less hard. This is accomplished by making the membrane more fluid. Aloe vera can do that. It might need help from DMSO to penetrate the deep tissue layers, but it could possibly do that.

Ok I see what you mean. Very well put. now what's DMSO and is there anyway of getting a potentiator such as IGF-1 in there without injection? I'm not ready, and doubt will ever be ready to inject anything into my own penis (or anyone else's for that matter).
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
Ok I see what you mean. Very well put. now what's DMSO and is there anyway of getting a potentiator such as IGF-1 in there without injection? I'm not ready, and doubt will ever be ready to inject anything into my own penis (or anyone else's for that matter).

Very interesting read. I'm with you on not injecting things into my penis, the thought of it makes me turtle up.

DMSO is dimethyl sulfoxide, it is a solvent used for transdermal applications like drug delivery, etc. I would caution you to only use pharmaceutical grade DMSO if you do use it and to make every effort to minimize contamination. Whatever is dissolved in the DMSO will get into your body, its not uncommon for people to poison other people using DMSO.
 
magfloat said:
Very interesting read. I'm with you on not injecting things into my penis, the thought of it makes me turtle up.

DMSO is dimethyl sulfoxide, it is a solvent used for transdermal applications like drug delivery, etc. I would caution you to only use pharmaceutical grade DMSO if you do use it and to make every effort to minimize contamination. Whatever is dissolved in the DMSO will get into your body, its not uncommon for people to poison other people using DMSO.
DMSO is not some magical solvent that can act as a transdermal for any substance.

Consider two points:
1.)What can it solvate? DMSO can solvate ions mostly, and other small compounds. It is versatile, in that it has non-polar and polar characteristics, but not every compound is soluble in DMSO.

2.)How much can it solvate? Don't expect to saturate a tsp of DMSO and expect everything of what you dissolved to enter your bloodstream. Especially if it is an herb, because herbs have many components and most are likely insoluble in DMSO. DMSO is better at solvating cations, opposed to anionic species, and can also solvate small organic compounds. A steroid is questionable, and certainly not a large dose. Proteins are almost completely out of the question, as are prostaglandins and most peptides. It might be possible to solvate PABA, but since the conjugate base is anionic, I doubt that a large amount could be solvated.

When I suggested DMSO, I was trying to suggest it's use by itself, since the sulfur compound acts as a mini-vasodilator and tissue softener. I wouldn't discourage trying to use it as a transdermal (as I suggested it might act as a transdermal with aloe vera) but just be cautioned that its use as a transdermal is quite limited. That is why you see most transdermals as a blend of organic solvents such as isopropanol, benzyl alcohol, menthol, water, etc. After all, we still have injections don't we? If DMSO was a wonderful transdermal, we would have seen injections disappear long ago...

I would suggest, as the last guy said, to wash your hands before applying it if you choose to do so. You never know what chemicals could find their way into your body...also, try to find 100% pure DMSO.
 
I've been thinking of something over the last few days. One of the big knocks against pumping is that the gains aren't permanent. What if with low Hg pumping and jelqing you're not causing huge amounts of trauma to the penis but progressively increasing the amount of blood and tissue of the penis on the whole. This is something that could be done everyday, almost as an ADC but for 20-30 minutes a day on non-training days according to the IPR theory and progressively taper down to none at all. At the same time the guys who have gained 1" in length and in girth usually worked on an everyday schedule or a 1-on-1-off schedule.
 
millionman said:
I've been thinking of something over the last few days. One of the big knocks against pumping is that the gains aren't permanent. What if with low Hg pumping and jelqing you're not causing huge amounts of trauma to the penis but progressively increasing the amount of blood and tissue of the penis on the whole. This is something that could be done everyday, almost as an ADC but for 20-30 minutes a day on non-training days according to the IPR theory and progressively taper down to none at all. At the same time the guys who have gained 1" in length and in girth usually worked on an everyday schedule or a 1-on-1-off schedule.

Ya but how low is low to you? I still get pretty fatigued at 3-4 Hg, and anything less than 3, I can't keep the Tube on.
 
Well, low Hg is defined usually by anything less than 10 and normally in a range between 3 and 5. That's not too much for fatigue, but would serve as a nice way to ease out of an intense phase with some light jelqs for 25-50 reps a set. Your pump sets wouldn't need to be too terribly long, maybe 5 minutes.
 
Has Vaseline Knight posted a follow up on how the IPR worked for him since it's been about 6 months now?
 
i have read through this post carefully and due to language problemos i can not understand what am i supposed to do after the first two weeks of hard Penis Enlargementing? What does the next 4 weeks contain? Easy training? The weeks for decon i understand anyway....:blush:
 
when i have an erection its extremely hard like a brick. but if i put a clamp on and tighten it down decently tight then it blows up probably over a 1/4 of an inch. why is that? is it normal? if i had the girth that i get after having a clamp on for 10 seconds, then i would be approximately 6 1/4. without a clamp it doesnt really even give when you squeeze on it. but after the expansion from having 10 seconds in the clamp it is somewhat flexible. but as soon as i take it off it goes back to a thinner brick again<:( i see that alot of ��������� always have that "look", kinda like a bloated snake i guess lol.
 
fergman;289252 said:
when i have an erection its extremely hard like a brick. but if i put a clamp on and tighten it down decently tight then it blows up probably over a 1/4 of an inch. why is that? is it normal? if i had the girth that i get after having a clamp on for 10 seconds, then i would be approximately 6 1/4. without a clamp it doesnt really even give when you squeeze on it. but after the expansion from having 10 seconds in the clamp it is somewhat flexible. but as soon as i take it off it goes back to a thinner brick again<:( i see that alot of ��������� always have that "look", kinda like a bloated snake i guess lol.

When you're hard, your veno occlusive system has kicked in, effectively trapping the blood inside the cavernosa chambers. When an external force is applied, the veins are further constricted and the added pressure causes much fluid to 'leak' out of the veins (because the induced venous pressure much exceeds the hydrostatic pressure, which in turn will also exceed the osmotic pressure).

This fluid, will start to collect between the skin and the tunica, and since the volume of the blood inside the veins has decreased, the CC chambers will become slightly more flexible. After a while, this fluid will act as a positive pressure back onto the Tunica, collapsing it down, and causing engorgement to decrease.

This is a dangerous pitfall as it causes the illusions of 'gains', when in fact the internal pressure inside the CC chambers has decreased and hence the collagen fibers which run circumferentially around the Tunica (the maximum extent of which yields our 'dry girth' measurements) are no longer stretched.

This means that though you 'feel' an internal stretch, it is decaying exponentially with time as you apply the clamp.

Right as soon as you apply the clamp the pressure inside the chambers will increase and JUMP through the roof (much like an impulse), but will only peek for a moment, and will then exponentially decrease as the fluid seeps out of the veins, builds up between the skin and the Tunica, and causes the Tunica to collapse.

Some self acclaimed Penis Enlargement gurus on these boards with no understanding of the penile anatomy, and the complex systems inherent in the penis are advocating vaso-constrictors, pumps, and any intense exercise that cause fluid 'Faux Girth Expansion' to be a foreshadow of future girth to come.

I would like to point out, the the only thing that this interstitial fluid, lymphatic fluid build up, as well as the minerals that will leak out of the veins due to the pressure (such as iron, and possibly calcium and etc.) will only cause fibrotic tissue formation, which is mainly made of Type I collagen and Fibrin, which make gains come to a dead halt. Not to mention the ugly dark discolorations that the leaked iron causes. (most people on these boards thought I was black since my penis was so damn dark. I'm now almost fully rid of the discoloration)

You will need at least several months of deconditioning to undo these formations.


Anyways, My appologies for my absence. I have been quite active in Penis Enlargement and have had quite a bit of gains, but am waiting for the right moment to announce them.

hope this reply helped
Best of luck
 
so when i put the clamp on it needs to be tight from the start soon enough so that only the cc chambers is filled tight and the outside doesnt get immediately swollen?.then ill have to watch for a very SLOW expansion then right? ive been clamping for over a year and thought i was doing it right. but since you just informed me with things i didnt know ill have to do what you sayLMAO. my dick is very dark too:blush:. oh well, if she likes it she dont gotta look at it i guess:).
 
fergman;289335 said:
so when i put the clamp on it needs to be tight from the start soon enough so that only the cc chambers is filled tight and the outside doesnt get immediately swollen?.then ill have to watch for a very SLOW expansion then right? ive been clamping for over a year and thought i was doing it right. but since you just informed me with things i didnt know ill have to do what you sayLMAO. my dick is very dark too:blush:. oh well, if she likes it she dont gotta look at it i guess:).

Yeah I used to clamp pretty hard when I used to do it. I have learned now to clamp easy (2 clicks only). The expansion is very good, and I'm not getting any discoloration.
 
fergman;289335 said:
so when i put the clamp on it needs to be tight from the start soon enough so that only the cc chambers is filled tight and the outside doesnt get immediately swollen?.then ill have to watch for a very SLOW expansion then right? ive been clamping for over a year and thought i was doing it right. but since you just informed me with things i didnt know ill have to do what you sayLMAO. my dick is very dark too:blush:. oh well, if she likes it she dont gotta look at it i guess:).

Hey friend

sorry I couldn't understand what you meant by your post. If you chose to clamp (which I advise against, there are much more effective ways of gaining girth such as slow jelqs, Uli's and squeezes), I would highly suggest that you apply a very mild constriction, like tightening the clamp only a couple of notches (as 10inch already pointed out).
 
Vaseline_Knight;289450 said:
Hey friend

sorry I couldn't understand what you meant by your post. If you chose to clamp (which I advise against, there are much more effective ways of gaining girth such as slow jelqs, Uli's and squeezes), I would highly suggest that you apply a very mild constriction, like tightening the clamp only a couple of notches (as 10inch already pointed out).

oh ok, i see what your saying now. only reason for the clamp is to just give a small amount of extra pressure in the cc's without building up all that fluid on the outside of the cc's which actually hinders the expansion of the cc's. but it sounds as if it might be best to just basically forget about the clamping because it can hurt the true growth of the cc's. i have been slowly realizing that it seemed as if something needed to be changed somehow but i didnt have a clue what to do. cause it never mattered if i clamped for sets of 20 minutes with a 1 minute break in between, do that for 3 and 4 hours straight. the expansion and discoloration would be massive but 8 hours later i would have sex and it was a hard brick again and still the exact same size in girth. i really dont care about length personally because im in the neighbourhood of 8 inches and ive always bottomed out in any girl that ive ever been with so i just dont see why me having more length would be better except for my egoLMAO? when i do uli's and things similar to that then thats when i can take my fingers of the free hand and squeeze and feel that the pressure in the cc's is ALOT greater then if i was clamped. thanks alot guys:) its a really nice thing to know that when someone is eager to learn and needs help that there is people out there that will share there hard earned knowledge. i truly do appreciate it. i just feel bad about it because you all have helped me and there doesnt seem like theres anyway that i can return the favor. thanks
 
Hey Vaseline Knight, why are you against clamping now..I mean I thought it is the most effective girth exercise?What about the big gainers like stillwantmore and redzulu and countless others who have had success with it,I'm just confused why you are now opposed to the clamping method?I am looking forward to doing it eventually once I get conditioned.Please respond.Thank you very much.
 
Clamping is definitely an effective way to gain girth. I'm not about to sit here and argue that it's "THE" most effective way to gain, even though it has been for me personally. It is definitely something a guy should ease his way into, and at the same time, it's not for everyone. Similar to hanging weights.
 
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