shavenasian u need help? If so let me know.

This new lube i got is great, maybe even better than the orginal. It's more watery and it's great for wanking too. Silicone friendly also.
 
shavenasian;475497 said:
Just spent some time experimenting with it and the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]. Its easy enough in theory but in practice I am finding it difficult to get my cock head into the device with a good enough vacuum to keep it there whilst stretching. Will play around with it more tonight and will get some hours in.

One thing I've noticed while playing with it the past 24 hours is that you have to be careful not to use too much of the comfort gel things get too slippery and you just slip right out. Also dont use too much vacuum or you just get pain and no real hold.

Try wiping everything down and using a really small drop of the gel just on the inside of the latex
 
shavenasian;475484 said:
Guys after reading this thread, I expected to wait weeks for my order to come in. I ordered the upgrade kit etc on 2nd March, and it literally turned up 5 minutes ago - 6th March!!! So fucking pumped, I am going to find some time and experiment with this thing.
WTF are you in the US?
 
totootot;475556 said:
One thing I've noticed while playing with it the past 24 hours is that you have to be careful not to use too much of the comfort gel things get too slippery and you just slip right out. Also dont use too much vacuum or you just get pain and no real hold.

Try wiping everything down and using a really small drop of the gel just on the inside of the latex

Will try this - thanks man
 
celttank;475544 said:
shavenasian u need help? If so let me know.

This new lube i got is great, maybe even better than the orginal. It's more watery and it's great for wanking too. Silicone friendly also.

Thank you my brother - I suspect I know what I was doing wrong. I will play with it shortly, if I can't get it right then i will come back to my fiends on this thread. I have to be honest, I am a real fan of the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words] but I am so pumped about the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]. The theory makes total sense, and as my friend Dickleaker has posted, coupled with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words], you will succeed.

Celtic - which lube are you using? I have lots of different ones as I am a professional wanker - ha ha - so I might try some of the others ones.
 
Shaven,

Did you take the split adapters off? I got mine the other day and tried for 2 hours to get in but it was because it came with the adapters on it. Once I took them off I got it on easy
 
N8dogg - I got it to work - have got it on right now. Took a few minutes and a different lube ( using id lube), went straight in. The adapters weren't fitted, the problem I had was getting used to the "valve" and how much vacuum to use. I plan to keep it on for a few hours straight and see how it goes. I have to say, it is very comfortable plus the stretch is different to the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]vlc[/words].
 
I just took the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] off after 90 mins - very comfortable, plus my head is pumped up - very nice. Very promising.

Is anyone sleeping in this through the night other than Dickleaker?
 
I have done it the last week or so.. But i eventually wake up after 4-5 hours.. When i wear it during the day i take it off every 3-4 hours anyways.. I have a bit of a problem.. I dont know if this only applys for uncut people, but i am having trouble getting a perfect fit every time.. Sometimes i dont get the glans inside the chamber enough, which hurts the edge of the glans. If i get too much inside the skin on the shaft Right under the glans gets sort of folded/layered inside the chamber. And this hurts like hell when you try to take it off after a couple of hours and creates a bit of FR.. Anyone experience this?
Also after a session of maybe 2 hours, the latex parts starts to come loose.. Not like i Can take it off, but i Can move the outer ring maybe 1 inch back and forth.. I cant do that in the beginning of a session.. Also the latex parts inside the chamber sorts of comes out of the chamber evetually, so i Can see the edge of the glans.. Something tells me i have a leak somewhere.. Sorry for the messy text im on the phone and its 1 am:)
 
I had some Id water based lube that says it's ok to use with latex. I really like this more then what came with it. It seems to make it a little more comfy unless it's just in my mind lol. I'll try the silicone based Id when I run out
 
Hey SQ,

You will master this device ,just keep trying different levels of vacuum and rereading the manual and maybe even this entire thread .

I am still fine tuning things after 2 months of use .
I find it is better to have more vacuum than not enough.

I have to pump the ball 1 1/2 times to get the proper amount of vacuum for all my glans to get sucked inside and stay there .
I find if the vacuum is too low then some of my glans eventually gets pulled out and that is when I get fluid retention not at a higher vacuum when everything stays inside .If you pull the latex back a bit you can check that the corona of ur glans is still inside.Thats how i know everything is still good and I haven't lost any pressure .

You could pump the ball twice ,get your glans and some of your shaft inside and then release a bit by opening the valve and then closing it quickly.

Play around with it trying the things i suggested and something may occur to you that didn't before.

Check your latex pieces that is there is no small pinholes leaking air.

If you are getting fluid retention then remove the device after a couple of hours and and take a short break. [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]Penimaster[/words] is also coming out shortly with bigger latex diaphrams which may be more comfortable for guys with bigger glans like myself,celttank and a few others.

good luck ...pm me if you want and i can try to pinpoint ur problem and help you out.

Squashbuddie;475586 said:
I have done it the last week or so.. But i eventually wake up after 4-5 hours.. When i wear it during the day i take it off every 3-4 hours anyways.. I have a bit of a problem.. I dont know if this only applys for uncut people, but i am having trouble getting a perfect fit every time.. Sometimes i dont get the glans inside the chamber enough, which hurts the edge of the glans. If i get too much inside the skin on the shaft Right under the glans gets sort of folded/layered inside the chamber. And this hurts like hell when you try to take it off after a couple of hours and creates a bit of FR.. Anyone experience this?
Also after a session of maybe 2 hours, the latex parts starts to come loose.. Not like i Can take it off, but i Can move the outer ring maybe 1 inch back and forth.. I cant do that in the beginning of a session.. Also the latex parts inside the chamber sorts of comes out of the chamber evetually, so i Can see the edge of the glans.. Something tells me i have a leak somewhere.. Sorry for the messy text im on the phone and its 1 am:)
 
This is my 5th day with this thing at 8-10 hours a day. I'm using it just at the lowest line of tension On the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and after 2 hours my glans feel irritated by the vacuum. It is light years ahead of everythng else I've tried though. My glans may be just still getting used to this device but how long is everyone else going before having to take off and what tension you guys using?
 
n8dogg;475614 said:
I had some Id water based lube that says it's ok to use with latex. I really like this more then what came with it. It seems to make it a little more comfy unless it's just in my mind lol. I'll try the silicone based Id when I run out

Agreed - the stuff it comes with is a little to viscose and sticky for my liking. I used the silicone lube and it worked very well. ID also do a lube that warms up - which I use when I vacuum pump my cock - feels nice and tingly.
 
Dickleaker;475643 said:
Hey SQ,

I am still fine tuning things after 2 months of use .
I find it is better to have more vacuum than not enough.


Play around with it trying the things i suggested and something may occur to you that didn't before.
[words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]Penimaster[/words] is also coming out shortly with bigger latex diaphrams which may be more comfortable for guys with bigger glans like myself,celttank and a few others.

good luck ...pm me if you want and i can try to pinpoint ur problem and help you out.

Dickleaker - you are the master, and your words are wise. The key to all Penis Enlargement when using equipment/devices, is to keep trying and playing around, experiment. You will always contiunue to learn as you live in all fields - and this is very true with Penis Enlargement. Remember for most of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] brotherhood, the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] is a relatively new device, the more we use it, the more tips and tweaks we will find.

And thats good news re the bigger chamber, as my glans are not on the small side.
 
n8dogg;475651 said:
This is my 5th day with this thing at 8-10 hours a day. I'm using it just at the lowest line of tension On the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and after 2 hours my glans feel irritated by the vacuum. It is light years ahead of everythng else I've tried though. My glans may be just still getting used to this device but how long is everyone else going before having to take off and what tension you guys using?

N8dogg - I always use max tension and max stretch - I did 90 mins yesterday as an experiment after 4 hours in the [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words]/SG combo. I have a bad day today, so will only be able to Penis Enlargement for a few hours. I will try to get in 3-4 hours in the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] and then try to sleep for a few hours with it on. I suspect that the glans will take some time to adjust. I do alot of vacuum pumping, so perhaps my glans will be less sensitive to the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]. Not sure if you vacuum pump or not man, I dont mean [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], dry air vacuum pumping. However, I know you will keep at it, and I am sure it will get better in time for you. Good luck
 
Dude you are a rock star at those hours!
I think you are just starting out with this so give your body som time to adjust to being inside a vacuum
for 10 hours.

Try for a slightly higher vacuum so more penis is inside.I find that helps for me...alot less FR,better pull from the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words],no slipping and less irritation...make sure you coat ur glans and behind it with lube for more comfort.

Good luck brother!





n8dogg;475651 said:
This is my 5th day with this thing at 8-10 hours a day. I'm using it just at the lowest line of tension On the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and after 2 hours my glans feel irritated by the vacuum. It is light years ahead of everythng else I've tried though. My glans may be just still getting used to this device but how long is everyone else going before having to take off and what tension you guys using?
 
I don't know how you can do max tension with this. I figured people were just using the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] to get a light stretch. I tried as much vacuum as the pump ball could do (eventually it stays compressed and doesn't go back to its original shape) but I couldn't do anywhere next max tension without it coming off. I tried the adaptor rings too, but the same thing happens.

And if you're waiting a long time for your order it's possible that it was seized by customs. I'm in the US and I got my last order from them in 8 business days.
 
Baba_Booey;475705 said:
I don't know how you can do max tension with this. I figured people were just using the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] to get a light stretch. I tried as much vacuum as the pump ball could do (eventually it stays compressed and doesn't go back to its original shape) but I couldn't do anywhere next max tension without it coming off. I tried the adaptor rings too, but the same thing happens.

And if you're waiting a long time for your order it's possible that it was seized by customs. I'm in the US and I got my last order from them in 8 business days.

How would it get seized? I just emailed them and they apologized for the wait and said they are checking into it
 
I had a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] seized by customs because they labeled it as a medical device, but not the correct level of medical device. If customs is holding it, they'll probably contact you through the mail.

My [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] box was labeled something like device for correcting and extending, but it might be considered a medical device. With [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], not all orders were seized, but some of them were.

If it's not customs, then they forgot to send your order or it got lost in shipping.

Still interested to hear from anyone that can use this with max tension.
 
I get max tension no problem. What i do first is half squeeze the ball and release it. The tip is barely inside. Then i take the ball off squeeze and reattach it. i do this twice. So i get 2 and a half sucks with the pump ball. Even my foreskin gets sucked all the way in. try this and see what happens.
 
I do it on max tension - in fact I have it on right now at max tension. I do something similar to celttank - but I end up doing 3-4 sucks of the pump ball. Today is my second day with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] - it took one attempt to get it on.
 
I use the pump ball multiple times, and eventually the ball stays compressed when it's on, like it can't suck anymore air out. My glans are fully in the chamber, but it's not a strong enough hold to use much tension.
 
Have you tried using lesser lube then? I can go max tension with no problem like the others.. I barely use any lube though, just enough to cover the glans with a thin layer..
 
I'm able to get a better hold without the split adapter, I guess I can't fully get in the chamber with it in. I'm using it at max tension now, but it doesn't feel like I'm stretching as hard as with a strap [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. Part of that could be the different base and springs, but I'll see how it goes.
 
Lube is not the problem, i use a shitload of lube!
You must be loseing suction somewhere and i'm guessing it's coming from the initital pump. When you pump first does any of ur glans get sucked in? You might be taking the ball off too quick. Leave the ball attached for about 15 seconds. Sometimes when i release the ball nothing happens but i wait 10 seconds and then it sucks the glans in.
 
I don't think I was doing anything incorrectly. I used the pump ball a couple times and got fully sucked into the chamber. I'd have a seal, but it can slowly pull away at high tension. I could probably use less bars and keep the seal, but as it is I don't get as good of a stretch as I do with my strap x4.

At least for me, a strap [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] with my nail mod works better. A glans filled with blood and a strap is a much better attachment method than latex attached via vacuum.
 
Baba_Booey;475739 said:
I don't think I was doing anything incorrectly. I used the pump ball a couple times and got fully sucked into the chamber. I'd have a seal, but it can slowly pull away at high tension. I could probably use less bars and keep the seal, but as it is I don't get as good of a stretch as I do with my strap x4.

At least for me, a strap [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] with my nail mod works better. A glans filled with blood and a strap is a much better attachment method than latex attached via vacuum.

you could have a defective head piece. Check for cracks. also check the valve cap and the valve to make sure there are no cracks. I cracked mines. I once maxed out tension ( didnt homd it long, maybe 15 minutes) just to see if it would hold and it held fine.
 
Check for cracks and make sure the latex pieces are on properly. I find that it doesn't matter how much lube I use, I get a good seal. Perhaps you should try a different lube.
 
I must say one thing , boy was I totally wrong about modifing my insert. I got injured again around the corona and right behind it. As the day went on the wearing of it rubbed me rawwwwwww , so bad it still healing after 4 dfays. Dickleaker is correct about the amount of vaccuum one is better off with to much than not enough , i feel that is the reason my injury happened.
The lube question that has been floating around, The [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] stuff is thick so that it helps increase adhession . I noticed that if I dont wash the glans chamber after a couple of applications there ends up being to much in there and thats when slipping occurs( at least w/ me). So that being said I am not so sured about using a lube that is mlor slippery , I would think you would have to incfreazse tyhe vacuum level to compensate for slippage. That is just my opinion . Good luck to all.
 
what does adhesion have to do with anything? Your dick is being held in by a vaccum, not adhesion. The lube is for comfort and to create a seal. Slippery lube is great.
 
I would think that you would want something with a high viscosity just so that it created a good seal for the partial vacuum which is trying to be applied to an irregular surface. Like a "liquid gasket" :D I really should spend some money on one of these crazy devices that all of the kids are using LOL
 
In the manual they explain why the lube has to be thick for that reason...better adhesion to distribute the pulling forces.
So guys if you are going to use a different lube go with the thicker silicone ones.

Tom...wish I had an extra one to send you for gratitude on how you have helped me!
You are a great addition to this forum and I wish you best in everything brother!
irspow;475811 said:
I would think that you would want something with a high viscosity just so that it created a good seal for the partial vacuum which is trying to be applied to an irregular surface. Like a "liquid gasket" :D I really should spend some money on one of these crazy devices that all of the kids are using LOL
 
Sorry .... I was trying to be helpful, although it did not seem to be recieved that way. I usually pay attention to odd details like that one , if someone would like to see a video on why this is supposed to work , her is the link
http://www.penimaster.com/Penis-Expander/PROMaster-Comfort-Care-Videos-Adhesion.html.
On a different note I have been using Hardboy Stackables to stretch my sack but, also pull the penile scrotal webbing down more towards or on the sack itself. I hope this helps w/ some of the fluid retention at the frenulum.
Squashbuddie mention that this was happening to him also . Good luck all and thanks for the help you have provided for myself in the past.
 
Yeah sucks I think they should throw the whole package in now for my troubles haha but its worst than my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] experience when the Agust guy accused me of possible trying scammed them when I received wrinkle cream from amazon instead of my bathemate lol
 
lol no I didn't file a complaint I just dont like to be accused of things and he just flat out told the forums that it was probably a scam which a sales rep shouldn't do but it was a mix up on amazons part Im assuming some grandmother received my first [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and I got her wrinkle cream lol but the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]penimaster[/words] kit i ordered I don't know where there deal is been 3 weeks and still in Germany I don't like the idea of that waiting for them to get back to me
 
Sounds like they are on drugs over there...sorry you are not having good experience so far.
When you do get it ,this will fade first time you get it on properly :)


tparker84;475884 said:
lol no I didn't file a complaint I just dont like to be accused of things and he just flat out told the forums that it was probably a scam which a sales rep shouldn't do but it was a mix up on amazons part Im assuming some grandmother received my first [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and I got her wrinkle cream lol but the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]penimaster[/words] kit i ordered I don't know where there deal is been 3 weeks and still in Germany I don't like the idea of that waiting for them to get back to me
 
tparker84;475884 said:
lol no I didn't file a complaint I just dont like to be accused of things and he just flat out told the forums that it was probably a scam which a sales rep shouldn't do but it was a mix up on amazons part Im assuming some grandmother received my first [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and I got her wrinkle cream lol but the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]penimaster[/words] kit i ordered I don't know where there deal is been 3 weeks and still in Germany I don't like the idea of that waiting for them to get back to me


Ya i remember him saying that. It was an off the wall rude comment. Customer satisfaction is a lost business these days. You must be in the Bramuda (spelling?)triangle of shipping addresses.
 
WHAT WAS SENT TO ME THIS MORNING

Thank you very much for your message.
We received your request regarding the whereabouts of your delivery/order and we would like to apologize for any inconvenience you may have incurred in this context.

In order to provide a response to your request, comprehensive inquiries are required both on national and international level.
We initiated the inquiry regarding your delivery.
Please note that, in accordance with the terms and conditions of the Universal Postal Convention, the foreign postal administration is allowed to take up to 8 weeks to provide a final response regarding the inquiry. In these cases, the sphere of influence of the German postal company always ends at the time of transfer to the postal administration of your country. Therefore, we would like to kindly ask you to abstain from any requests before the period of eight weeks has expired, because we are not able to provide you with an answer.

If you received the delivery/order in the meantime, we would appreciate a short notice from you.

Thank you very much for your patience.
 
tparker84;475955 said:
WHAT WAS SENT TO ME THIS MORNING

Thank you very much for your message.
We received your request regarding the whereabouts of your delivery/order and we would like to apologize for any inconvenience you may have incurred in this context.

In order to provide a response to your request, comprehensive inquiries are required both on national and international level.
We initiated the inquiry regarding your delivery.
Please note that, in accordance with the terms and conditions of the Universal Postal Convention, the foreign postal administration is allowed to take up to 8 weeks to provide a final response regarding the inquiry. In these cases, the sphere of influence of the German postal company always ends at the time of transfer to the postal administration of your country. Therefore, we would like to kindly ask you to abstain from any requests before the period of eight weeks has expired, because we are not able to provide you with an answer.

If you received the delivery/order in the meantime, we would appreciate a short notice from you.

Thank you very much for your patience.

Lol they told you to shut the F up and wait, but in a nice way lol. They really need to up their game, their shipping is way too long.
 
Thanks to donjelqer76 for this one:

Just wanted to do an update post now that I have more time with the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]Penimaster Pro[/words].
Last week I extended 86 hours with it (over 12 hour per day on average!). Here are a few thoughts:

- The instruction manual mentions that before putting the glans chamber on, you need to squeeze a little extra air out of the ball pump and inflate the diaphragm outwards - this is why it recommends a 3/4 initial pump, to leave room to squeeze a little extra air out of the ball into the chamber. I found out the hard way just how important this step is. If you skip this step, there will be an air space between the diaphragm and the forward edge of the sluice. When you evacuate the glans chamber with the ball pump, a tremendous vacuum will build up in this small void and create some very nasty looking vacuum blisters if you skip this very important step. By pushing a little air into the glans chamber before putting it on, the diaphragm will bow outwards and push all the air out between the diaphragm and sluice - this is exactly what you want. No air picket means there is no area for a dangerous vacuum to accumulate, and the adhesion qualities of the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]Penimaster Pro[/words] are truly amazing if you take care to follow this very important step.

- I still find that the sluice is a bit tight for my liking. I did a test where I unrolled a new sluice over a "D" cell battery and let it sit for a couple of days to pre-stretch it a bit. It definitely has helped and the sluice doesn't feel as tight anymore.

- A few people that I have talked to have mentioned that one pump isn't always enough to get the glans fully into the chamber. I have had this problem from time to time also. The problem is, the more pumps you have to use, the higher the vacuum and the more uncomfortable it is. After a lot of experimentation, I have found what works best for me. I have found that I can reduce the amount of vacuum needed by "pushing through" the sluice instead of waiting for enough vacuum to be generated to suck the glans into the chamber. What I have been doing now is making an "OK" grip about an inch below the glans and squeezing - this makes the glans and the shaft just behind the glans very rigid and engorged. I then actively push my penis through the sluice while the vacuum is trying to pull things in. I have found that I now use about half the vacuum as before, and the adhesion is absolutely incredible.
That was posted by Dangler at Penis EnlargementGYM Forum but , the quote was Donjelqer76 . This Bowing of the diaghram I glossed over but, do remember . It makes complete sense though there should always be a small amount of air between the sluice and the diaphram if done the way I always do it and I surely dont do the bowing . Well I hope that helps someone else besides me.
 
Yeah if not here by next week I'm getting a refund wait another 8 weeks is not what I have in mind
9inchtail;476020 said:
Lol they told you to shut the F up and wait, but in a nice way lol. They really need to up their game, their shipping is way too long.
 
Thanks Ronan for posting that ...great bit of important info that I have not paid attention to.

They need a "penimaster for Dummies " for this device cause its more complicated than first appears.I have always told guys there is a learning curve and to reread the manual even after you think you got it .

Glad you solved your problem and shared the solution with us .Thanks!!
ronan69;476022 said:
That was posted by Dangler at Penis EnlargementGYM Forum but , the quote was Donjelqer76 . This Bowing of the diaghram I glossed over but, do remember . It makes complete sense though there should always be a small amount of air between the sluice and the diaphram if done the way I always do it and I surely dont do the bowing . Well I hope that helps someone else besides me.
 
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