Snake,

Thanks for the response man...didn't mean to hijack your great thread here. Your wrapping sound just like what I try to do, but my head gets real cold in only about a minute, scares the hell out of me. And when I wrap any looser, I just slip right the hell out (turtle). Anyways, thanks for the reply. Good luck to you.

Tom
 
I don't wrap. I also have never turtled, so that's never been a concern of mine.

I just want to say, though, that for true healing to occur, there can be no stress on the tissue. If, when you wrap, your head is getting bigger and gets cold after a while, that indicates that you are cutting off the blood supply. This will prevent the tissue from healing properly. Be sure to give your dick a rest. For a bodybuilding comparison, you wouldn't work out and then walk around flexing your muscles all day. That would be overtraining - resulting in poorer, not better, results. Don't let your fear of losing gains make you do things that will make progress slower. You have to let the tissue repair itself.
 
GettingTo9;470298 said:
I don't wrap. I also have never turtled, so that's never been a concern of mine.

I just want to say, though, that for true healing to occur, there can be no stress on the tissue. If, when you wrap, your head is getting bigger and gets cold after a while, that indicates that you are cutting off the blood supply. This will prevent the tissue from healing properly. Be sure to give your dick a rest. For a bodybuilding comparison, you wouldn't work out and then walk around flexing your muscles all day. That would be overtraining - resulting in poorer, not better, results. Don't let your fear of losing gains make you do things that will make progress slower. You have to let the tissue repair itself.

I am Very prone to turtling, I do wrap lightly while sleeping keeping me in a comfortable lengthend state - no coldness or Swell. It only swells during the day, so maybe i should wrap less tight during the day...
 
Hmm, we might mean different things by "turtling".

You've only been doing Penis Enlargement for a month, so you couldn't have experienced Penis Enlargement turtling yet. In Penis Enlargement, turtling happens when someone has reached a certain size while erect, then later, his erect size is smaller. (It is unclear what causes this, however, I think it's a result of pulling the ligament too far, and then it snaps back to size. I try to avoid any stretching of the ligament. Stretching ligaments in the body is never a good idea. Every urologist who is open to Penis Enlargement will tell you to stretch the tunica, but leave the ligament alone.)

Turtling is not simply the flaccid size sometimes being bigger and sometimes being smaller. That's completely normal and is a sign of health. The flaccid size varies as a result of changes in blood flow related to temperature, stress, etc. It's supposed to work that way. That's not the turtling people refer to in Penis Enlargement.

Personally, I always err on the side of caution. I would never wear anything to stretch my dick at night, when I'm not conscious to monitor it. I would rather be cautious and make slower gains than risk injury. However, that being said, if you can strap it in comfortably without affecting the blood supply and you don't notice any bad side effects, then keep doing it. If you start having problems with erectile dysfunction or chaffing or bruising, etc., then lay off. Until then, do your best to monitor it, and good luck!
 
GettingTo9;470302 said:
Hmm, we might mean different things by "turtling".

You've only been doing Penis Enlargement for a month, so you couldn't have experienced Penis Enlargement turtling yet. In Penis Enlargement, turtling happens when someone has reached a certain size while erect, then later, his erect size is smaller. (It is unclear what causes this, however, I think it's a result of pulling the ligament too far, and then it snaps back to size. I try to avoid any stretching of the ligament. Stretching ligaments in the body is never a good idea. Every urologist who is open to Penis Enlargement will tell you to stretch the tunica, but leave the ligament alone.)

Turtling is not simply the flaccid size sometimes being bigger and sometimes being smaller. That's completely normal and is a sign of health. The flaccid size varies as a result of changes in blood flow related to temperature, stress, etc. It's supposed to work that way. That's not the turtling people refer to in Penis Enlargement.

Personally, I always err on the side of caution. I would never wear anything to stretch my dick at night, when I'm not conscious to monitor it. I would rather be cautious and make slower gains than risk injury. However, that being said, if you can strap it in comfortably without affecting the blood supply and you don't notice any bad side effects, then keep doing it. If you start having problems with erectile dysfunction or chaffing or bruising, etc., then lay off. Until then, do your best to monitor it, and good luck!


Haha, dude i thought turtling was when your flaccid penis gets squashed into a small postion from sitting e.c.t Therefor keeping it longer position while flaccid helps heals in that position!??? So is that wrong??
 
lol No, that's normal. That's how the dick is supposed to work. When I wake up in the morning, my dick has been in a warm environment all night and hangs really low. After I've done cardio, all the blood has rushed to my muscles and lungs to pump oxygen, and my dick hangs at half its regular size. That's just the body doing what it's supposed to do.

Based on what I've read on various threads, it seems that some guys wrap hoping that it will keep their dicks longer while flaccid, not necessarily to help increase the erect length. I have no idea if that will work long term. It may very well end up stretching the skin more, so you'd hang lower at regular hang. Even with a lower hang, they'd still shrink a bit in cold water, etc., but it's regular hang that they're concerned about. If that's important to you, then go for it!

I just want to add, though. Be careful. Penis Enlargement takes a lot of time and commitment. Don't let it become an obsession. There's more to life than dick size. Take a clinical approach. Do what you need to do, then put the equipment away. Enjoy the results, but enjoy all the other aspects of your life, too.
 
i'm just taking it from DLD's [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] theory that after each workout we want to keep the penis in a lengthend position using the UJSM. Basically I do a hard workout then sit and my penis becomes squashed (a reason why some people don't gain in the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] theory)- The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] theory says that we want to keep our penis in a lengthend position for as LONG as possible hence why some people don't wear underwear. When i wear my wrap all night and take it off in the morning - my flaccid is really big, where as normal i would lie on my side and my penis would be squashed all night - now i sleep on my back with a wrap and my flaccid is the best it's ever been.

I guess it's logical - you do a hard Penis Enlargement workout - you sleep on your side in a squashed position for 8 hours -but if your were to lie on your back with the UJSM keep your flaccid nice and long for 8 hours - it must be better? Your flaccid is gonna hang better for longer.
 
Yes, I understand the theory. The test of whether a particular technique works to permanently enlarge the penis, though, is what happens when you stop using that technique. In other words, does the gain require maintenance or is it truly permanent? If you are willing to experiment with it, by all means, go for it! I'd be curious to see how it works out for you. Good luck!

As I've said before, with your dedication and commitment, you're going to do very well with Penis Enlargement.
 
GettingTo9;470314 said:
Yes, I understand the theory. The test of whether a particular technique works to permanently enlarge the penis, though, is what happens when you stop using that technique. In other words, does the gain require maintenance or is it truly permanent? If you are willing to experiment with it, by all means, go for it! I'd be curious to see how it works out for you. Good luck!

As I've said before, with your dedication and commitment, you're going to do very well with Penis Enlargement.

You to my friend! You've gained and inch so far! Very impressive! I'll be keeping an eye on your progress. Good luck man!
 
Ditto on the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] theory Snake,

That is why I am trying to figure out how to maintain the wrap as well. The theory makes perfect sense to me. As we make micro tears and the body attempts to replicate cells, it would seem logical that having these "gaps"? in the structure would be like a neon sign for the body to send its nutrients and focus it's repair. :D

It would be very similar to muscle building in an analogous way, but not like continuing to work out all day. Rather, it would be more akin to the way that you maximize gains by extended and strenuous stretching after an intense workout whereby you lengthen and intensify tears created during the workout. Ask any body builder and you will learn that they all know that intense stretching after intense workouts speed up recovery and growth. While we are not talking about building muscle while using Penis Enlargement we are indeed trying to destroy cells and have the body multiply the number of cells in that area.

Sadly, repairing the cells in the biceps or something mostly just needs water to increase its volume while repairing, I am not sure what the penis structure actually uses to increase its volume of structure. (Not talking about the blood that increases its apparent size, but its actual structure) I would imagine that it is still mostly comprised of water though.

For example, androstene, made my weight lifting experience and muscle growth exponentially faster after having overloaded my system with it for a significant time. (Apart from all of the supposed effects of androstene, I simply used it because of its known characteristics of water retention) Muscle tissue being comprised of over 80% water, and water retention, seemed the most logical way to go for muscle growth to me. Maybe I should look to overloading on androstene again during the Penis Enlargement journey. If the penis tissue is roughly comprised of the same elemental makeup, it may be beneficial....

Sorry Snake, hijacking your thread again. Just thought that I could throw a few nuggets of insanity your way to mull over. Keep going workout madan, you are an inspiration!

Tom

P.S. It seems the noobs have been corrected on the term turtling. Cool! I will now refer to it as "post workout shrinkage" or pws :D
 
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l4rgec0ck;470351 said:
Is there a starting picture anywhere? are you going to post pics of progress to go with the blog?

Hey man - check the attachments on the picture proof page, next to this thread.My starting pics were taking on day 14 or something - a few pages back. Yes I will be posting pics every 3 - 6 months. Measurements every 4-6 months.
 
irspow;470376 said:
Ditto on the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] theory Snake,

That is why I am trying to figure out how to maintain the wrap as well. The theory makes perfect sense to me. As we make micro tears and the body attempts to replicate cells, it would seem logical that having these "gaps"? in the structure would be like a neon sign for the body to send its nutrients and focus it's repair. :D

It would be very similar to muscle building in an analogous way, but not like continuing to work out all day. Rather, it would be more akin to the way that you maximize gains by extended and strenuous stretching after an intense workout whereby you lengthen and intensify tears created during the workout. Ask any body builder and you will learn that they all know that intense stretching after intense workouts speed up recovery and growth. While we are not talking about building muscle while using Penis Enlargement we are indeed trying to destroy cells and have the body multiply the number of cells in that area.

Sadly, repairing the cells in the biceps or something mostly just needs water to increase its volume while repairing, I am not sure what the penis structure actually uses to increase its volume of structure. (Not talking about the blood that increases its apparent size, but its actual structure) I would imagine that it is still mostly comprised of water though.

For example, androstene, made my weight lifting experience and muscle growth exponentially faster after having overloaded my system with it for a significant time. (Apart from all of the supposed effects of androstene, I simply used it because of its known characteristics of water retention) Muscle tissue being comprised of over 80% water, and water retention, seemed the most logical way to go for muscle growth to me. Maybe I should look to overloading on androstene again during the Penis Enlargement journey. If the penis tissue is roughly comprised of the same elemental makeup, it may be beneficial....

Sorry Snake, hijacking your thread again. Just thought that I could throw a few nuggets of insanity your way to mull over. Keep going workout madan, you are an inspiration!

Tom

P.S. It seems the noobs have been corrected on the term turtling. Cool! I will now refer to it as "post workout shrinkage" or pws :D

Very interesting read man. If you find any info on your androstene theory please let me know! You sound like you know about fitness/BB how long have you been doing it?
 
Snake,

Androstene has been around for a long time. I think way back when I was using it, the "claims" were that it increased testosterone or something. Or maybe they said it was a precursor to testosterone production. Anyway I remember the people thinking that it was some sort of legal way to get testosterone into their system because it was a precursor rather than the final product, if you know what I mean. I never really believed at the time those claims, but I had read that it did cause the body to retain water in cells. Thus when breaking down those cells and during repair and reproduction, water would be retained in the repaired and newly created cells increasing the overall volume of the cells, and making the muscles which are mostly water anyway increase in volume as well. It truly did work wonders for me back when I worked out. Actually, it was the only supplement that I used during most of those years. (Aside from weight gains shakes, because I am naturally very skinny.)

I worked out very consistently for about fifteen years, I don't do it anymore, because I now get hernias (inguinal) if I lift up a paper bag. :D (No, I don't know why and neither do my doctors, but I have already had 4 inguinal hernia surgeries that were very large.) I was very skinny but still managed to put on about 25 pounds of pure muscle mass. It doesn't sound like much, but you have to remember that even then I was only 165 pounds. I looked huge for my size. I couldn't even fit into jeans for a couple of years. My thighs simply would not fit into jeans with my tiny 28" waist. I had to wear sweatpants all of the time. But I don't work out anymore. I am back down to a skinny 135 lbs. I have only about 6-8% body fat. Which stinks because my BPenis EnlargementL and EL are almost identical :D

I am serious about looking into finding androstene again. It used to be available at any healthstore back in the day, but I heard that there were some issues raised later that it actually did produce testosterone in certain studies. I know that it was pulled from the shelves at least once. I will look to see if it is back out there again and perhaps loading with it again to see if it helps with Penis Enlargement. I remember it was really cheap and effective for what I was using it for, so hopefully it is still out there, maybe "hidden" in another product or whatever. But you used to be able to get it in pure form before like it was nothing because it wasn't even evaluated by the FDA at that point, it was just a "supplement".

Anyway, I will let you know.

Tom
 
Day 27 (26/01/2012)

Edge: 2 hours
Wrap All Night

REST/WORK!?!

TOTAL TIME EXTENDED: 89 Hours


Days without out POP: FAILED...Again :P

Yo guys, it's the end of the month and work has been crazy, never know it so busy. I didn't want to go in my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] this tired cause i will fall asleep and kill my penis. Must hit tomorrow up - wanna hit that 100 hours this month.

I'm also getting some new Penis Enlargement gear soon. Getting my Wench kit in the next few days and ordering the SS in early February :)

Must pick up some new [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]Ace[/words] bandages tomorrow too.

I have to say i'm suprised I don't see a lot of below average guys like me on here. I've been talking to irspow (Check out his progress thread) and he's roughly the same size as me.
I'd expect to see the forum packed with the 4.5-6 inch length range but it seems quite a few guys starting with 6-7+Inches length?! Lucky!

I really do hate having a below average length dick :/ I went out to a bar and me and the barmaid were laughing and joking around in a flirty way and I SO could have taken it further! I was just panicing about my size for like the first time. I'm not a virgin. I havan't had sex in like 3-4 months, I have a friend with benefits so hopefully she'll notice some growth :P AHHH i just can't wait to get that huge dick lol :P
 
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Day 28 (27/01/2012)

Time in [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extender[/words]: 2 hours
Edge: 30 mins
Wrap: All night

TOTAL HOURS EXTENDED: 91 Hours


I'm really Pissed off with my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]. It been fustrating day... The assembling and preperation is consuming and VERY tedious. - Taking it out the box - Assembling it - Wrapping up - Wrapping Base - putting the noose on - then i do all that - finish turing the screws to a good tension to find the noose or wrap isn't right and causes slippage - then i have to RE-DO all i've just done... rotate the screws back down and start again!

Wrench kit is coming Monday and should be ordering the SS in early FEB. Can't wait! Looks sooo much more comfy than the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words].

I honestly wouldn't mind putting the hours in if the device was comfy, easy to assemble and don't have to worry about circualtion every 15mins!!

MoreGains123 if you read this please get back to me I PM you! Thanks
 
I would suggest the Velcro Mod for the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]. It is great, and I never get any slippage from the very beginning, just make sure you make it very tight from the start and you should be fine.

Good work on the time in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] though. You have the same amount of time as me in one month that I've had for 10 months!
 
Yo guy, a quick update. So the last few days I've been pissed off with my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and comfort.

This morning i noticed a velcro strap attatched to my laptop...:P

I cut it off and wrapped it into my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]... All i can say is WOW!!!!! Honestly guys if your using the noose or straps - get on velcro NOW! I'm in my right [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] now... Approaching my 1st hour and can't feel anything! Got a nice Stretch going!

Time goes soooo much faster when your penis isn't screaming in pain!

So i should be back to the 5-6 hours a night now!! WOOO pumped for Penis Enlargement again!!! :)

Update tonight!
 
Day 29 (28/01/2012)

Time in [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extender[/words]: 6 Hours
Jelq/Girth: 20 mins
Wrap: 24/7

TOTAL TIME EXTENDED: 97 Hours

So as I said in the previous post I made a Velcro Mod for my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] :) the thing is amazing - get on it!

A good 6 hours in today - Mixed it up started with some intense sessions then backed off a bit in the later sessions. I split today up: 3 hours 30mins this morning and 2 hours and 30mins at night.I can't really do more than 3 hours in straight sets (1hourx3) my penis just gets fatigued.

Did 20 mins of hard jelqs - awesome feeling and finished with masterbation - 30mins

Now going to wrap for the night and go to bed!

Night [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] ;)
 
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