Erection problems from PE (I think)
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Well considering the tests haven't shown anything its highly unlikeley that your problem is physical. Causes of ED are many and varied while studies on the subject are relatively few. What I'm saying is we don't know whats wrong and neither do the doctors so my suggestion to you is start taking pills. I'm serious tbirdy had a post about some 3 month study done with viagra which looked pretty promising. I think thats def worth a shot. So go back in this thread read it and consider trying it, you've really got nothing to lose and tbirdy really knows what he's talking about despite what some may say.
Another option is to ask your doctor for a Yohimbine prescription (not to be mistaken with Yohimbe) and try that, usually they'll give you a 3 month regiment of pills. Many people have had success with this.
Also mentally just relax, stop trying to force it, in a way just kind of accept it dont pay too much attention to it, even when your masterbating just ignore your dick concentrate on enjoying yourself. Most of all stop viewing this as a problem, try to leave it out of your day to day thoughts. Yeah this is hard but in time you can train yourself to do this.
I do not suggest magna rx, enzyte or any of that other crap you see on tv and the internet.
For now thats all I can come up with just remember you have many options that you haven't exhausted so don't worry. My suggestion is start with the yohimbine (only because it's the less extreme option), forget about your problem as best you can, dont think about it and in time without you even thinking about him your dick just might pop up and say hi with the same enthusiasm he had before your problems began.
Another option is to ask your doctor for a Yohimbine prescription (not to be mistaken with Yohimbe) and try that, usually they'll give you a 3 month regiment of pills. Many people have had success with this.
Also mentally just relax, stop trying to force it, in a way just kind of accept it dont pay too much attention to it, even when your masterbating just ignore your dick concentrate on enjoying yourself. Most of all stop viewing this as a problem, try to leave it out of your day to day thoughts. Yeah this is hard but in time you can train yourself to do this.
I do not suggest magna rx, enzyte or any of that other crap you see on tv and the internet.
For now thats all I can come up with just remember you have many options that you haven't exhausted so don't worry. My suggestion is start with the yohimbine (only because it's the less extreme option), forget about your problem as best you can, dont think about it and in time without you even thinking about him your dick just might pop up and say hi with the same enthusiasm he had before your problems began.
Here someone posted this a few days ago. More tests you can do that way you can eliminate the possible causes of your problem and be able to better search for a solution.
http://my.weBathmated.com/content/article/4/1680_50142
http://my.weBathmated.com/content/article/4/1680_50142
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What you need are some pharmacy grade fish oil tablets, and some Viagra.
I have problems like you do from time to time and for me its 10% physical 90% mental. You see, if I pop a tab of Viagra before fucking a broad.. just the thought that I just popped the viagra gets me rock hard and im ready to go. Keep in mind that half an hour later the viagra finally kicks in. Why would this be unless it was mental?
And the fish oil tabs make ya horny as hell for some reason. There is something in em like DHT or I dunno a 3 letter word though.
But ya if I was you id grab some Viagra just to prove to urself its mental. Then maybe pop blue skittles and tell yourself it is Viagra and watch it have the same effects.
I have problems like you do from time to time and for me its 10% physical 90% mental. You see, if I pop a tab of Viagra before fucking a broad.. just the thought that I just popped the viagra gets me rock hard and im ready to go. Keep in mind that half an hour later the viagra finally kicks in. Why would this be unless it was mental?
And the fish oil tabs make ya horny as hell for some reason. There is something in em like DHT or I dunno a 3 letter word though.
But ya if I was you id grab some Viagra just to prove to urself its mental. Then maybe pop blue skittles and tell yourself it is Viagra and watch it have the same effects.
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I don't have any mental problems. I have a gf and it gets hard loads when I'm with her and we have sex, it just doesn't get fully hard. I'm lucky she is on the pill because if I had to use condoms it would be a nightmare. I know the problem is definately physical. I am only 19, I don't want to be taking viagra or any shit like that. I shouldn't need it and I can't afford it
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Provider try the ROP, my erections are LOADZ better from it and it does work.
I cant say for the test increases because its early days but it helps your erections ten fold, and I recommend the guy matts22 whos a member here to make them.
I cant say for the test increases because its early days but it helps your erections ten fold, and I recommend the guy matts22 whos a member here to make them.
Hey Provider,
My dick is still messed up, too. I don't think you or I will get much better, unfortunately, but hopefully I'm wrong. However, I was reading an article that talked about ways to reverse fibrosis (scarring). Heres the article:
L-arginine and phosphodiesterase (PDE) inhibitors counteract fibrosis in the Peyronie's fibrotic plaque and related fibroblast cultures.
Valente EG, Vernet D, Ferrini MG, Qian A, Rajfer J, Gonzalez-Cadavid NF.
Division of Urology, Research and Education Institute, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, Torrance, CA, USA.
Inducible nitric oxide synthase (iNOS) is expressed in both the fibrotic plaque of Peyronie's disease (PD) in the human, and in the PD-like plaque elicited by injection of TGFbeta1 into the penile tunica albuginea (TA) of the rat. Long-term inhibition of iNOS activity, presumably by blocking nitric oxide (NO)- and cGMP-mediated effects triggered by iNOS expression, exacerbates tissue fibrosis through an increase in: (a) collagen synthesis,
levels of reactive oxygen species (ROS), and (c) the differentiation of fibroblasts into myofibroblasts. We have now investigated whether: (a) phosphodiesterase (PDE) isoforms, that regulate the interplay of cGMP and cAMP pathways, are expressed in both the human and rat TA; and L-arginine, that stimulates NOS activity and hence NO synthesis, and PDE inhibitors, that increase the levels of cGMP and/or cAMP, can inhibit collagen synthesis and induce fibroblast/myofibroblast apoptosis, thus acting as antifibrotic agents. We have found by immunohistochemistry, RT/PCR, and Western blot that PDE5A-3 and PDE4A, B, and D variants are indeed expressed in human and rat normal TA and PD plaque tissue, as well as in their respective fibroblast cultures. As expected, in the PD fibroblast cultures, pentoxifylline (non-specific cAMP-PDE inhibitor) increased cAMP levels without affecting cGMP levels, whereas sildenafil (PDE5A inhibitor) raised cGMP levels. Both agents and L-arginine reduced the expression of collagen I (but not collagen III) and the myofibroblast marker, alpha-smooth muscle actin, as determined by immunocytochemistry and quantitative image analysis. These effects were mimicked by incubation with 8-Br-cGMP, which in addition increased apoptosis, as measured by TUNEL. When L-arginine (2.25 g/kg/day), pentoxifylline (10 mg/kg/day), or sildenafil (10 mg/kg/day) was given individually in the drinking water for 45 days to rats with a PD-like plaque induced by TGF beta1, each treatment resulted in a 80-95% reduction in both plaque size and in the collagen/fibroblast ratio, as determined by Masson trichrome staining. Both sildenafil and pentoxiphylline stimulated fibroblast apoptosis within the TA. Our results support the hypothesis that the increase in NO and/or cGMP/cAMP levels by long-term administration of nitrergic agents or inhibitors of PDE, may be effective in reversing the fibrosis of PD, and more speculatively, other fibrotic conditions.
MeSH Terms:
• Animals
• Apoptosis/drug effects
• Apoptosis/physiology*
• Arginine/pharmacology*
• Blotting, Western
• Cyclic GMP/analogs & derivatives
• Cyclic GMP/pharmacology
• Enzyme Inhibitors/pharmacology
• Fibrosis/drug therapy
• Fibrosis/enzymology
• Fibrosis/pathology
• Humans
• Male
• Nitric Oxide/metabolism
• Nitric-Oxide Synthase/metabolism
• Penile Induration/drug therapy*
• Penile Induration/enzymology
• Penile Induration/pathology*
• Penis/drug effects
• Penis/enzymology
• Penis/pathology*
• Pentoxifylline/pharmacology
• Phosphodiesterase Inhibitors/pharmacology*
• Phosphoric Diester Hydrolases/genetics
• Phosphoric Diester Hydrolases/metabolism*
• Piperazines/pharmacology
• RNA, Messenger/chemistry
• RNA, Messenger/genetics
• Rats
• Rats, Inbred F344
• Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
• Research Support, U.S. Gov't, P.H.S.
• Reverse Transcriptase Polymerase Chain Reaction
Substances:
• Enzyme Inhibitors
• Phosphodiesterase Inhibitors
• Piperazines
• RNA, Messenger
• Nitric Oxide
• sildenafil
• 8-bromocyclic GMP
• Pentoxifylline
• Arginine
• Cyclic GMP
• Nitric-Oxide Synthase
• inducible nitric oxide synthase
• Phosphoric Diester Hydrolases
Grant Support:
• G12 RR 03026/RR/NCRR
• R01 DK 53069/DK/NIDDK
PMID: 14996430 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
The article difficult to understand, but some things that popped out at me include the dosaging required to reverse PD fibrosis in this study. I'm not suggesting you or I have PD, but perhaps we have fibrosis in our corpus cavernosa that is impeding inflatability and limiting veinous occlusion. L-arginine isn't too expensive, so maybe you could try that.
To all other readers, I'd like to express how terribly painful losing good functionality in my penis is for me. Some days I feel like I'll never be a viable lover again, and sometimes I wish I didn't exist so I wouldn't have to suffer with this. However, I did it to myself, and so it is no ones fault but my own. Still...
Let us know how your MRI goes man. I have a feeling that the test won't show anything wrong, and you'll be told that nothing is wrong with your penis.
My dick is still messed up, too. I don't think you or I will get much better, unfortunately, but hopefully I'm wrong. However, I was reading an article that talked about ways to reverse fibrosis (scarring). Heres the article:
L-arginine and phosphodiesterase (PDE) inhibitors counteract fibrosis in the Peyronie's fibrotic plaque and related fibroblast cultures.
Valente EG, Vernet D, Ferrini MG, Qian A, Rajfer J, Gonzalez-Cadavid NF.
Division of Urology, Research and Education Institute, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, Torrance, CA, USA.
Inducible nitric oxide synthase (iNOS) is expressed in both the fibrotic plaque of Peyronie's disease (PD) in the human, and in the PD-like plaque elicited by injection of TGFbeta1 into the penile tunica albuginea (TA) of the rat. Long-term inhibition of iNOS activity, presumably by blocking nitric oxide (NO)- and cGMP-mediated effects triggered by iNOS expression, exacerbates tissue fibrosis through an increase in: (a) collagen synthesis,
levels of reactive oxygen species (ROS), and (c) the differentiation of fibroblasts into myofibroblasts. We have now investigated whether: (a) phosphodiesterase (PDE) isoforms, that regulate the interplay of cGMP and cAMP pathways, are expressed in both the human and rat TA; and L-arginine, that stimulates NOS activity and hence NO synthesis, and PDE inhibitors, that increase the levels of cGMP and/or cAMP, can inhibit collagen synthesis and induce fibroblast/myofibroblast apoptosis, thus acting as antifibrotic agents. We have found by immunohistochemistry, RT/PCR, and Western blot that PDE5A-3 and PDE4A, B, and D variants are indeed expressed in human and rat normal TA and PD plaque tissue, as well as in their respective fibroblast cultures. As expected, in the PD fibroblast cultures, pentoxifylline (non-specific cAMP-PDE inhibitor) increased cAMP levels without affecting cGMP levels, whereas sildenafil (PDE5A inhibitor) raised cGMP levels. Both agents and L-arginine reduced the expression of collagen I (but not collagen III) and the myofibroblast marker, alpha-smooth muscle actin, as determined by immunocytochemistry and quantitative image analysis. These effects were mimicked by incubation with 8-Br-cGMP, which in addition increased apoptosis, as measured by TUNEL. When L-arginine (2.25 g/kg/day), pentoxifylline (10 mg/kg/day), or sildenafil (10 mg/kg/day) was given individually in the drinking water for 45 days to rats with a PD-like plaque induced by TGF beta1, each treatment resulted in a 80-95% reduction in both plaque size and in the collagen/fibroblast ratio, as determined by Masson trichrome staining. Both sildenafil and pentoxiphylline stimulated fibroblast apoptosis within the TA. Our results support the hypothesis that the increase in NO and/or cGMP/cAMP levels by long-term administration of nitrergic agents or inhibitors of PDE, may be effective in reversing the fibrosis of PD, and more speculatively, other fibrotic conditions.MeSH Terms:
• Animals
• Apoptosis/drug effects
• Apoptosis/physiology*
• Arginine/pharmacology*
• Blotting, Western
• Cyclic GMP/analogs & derivatives
• Cyclic GMP/pharmacology
• Enzyme Inhibitors/pharmacology
• Fibrosis/drug therapy
• Fibrosis/enzymology
• Fibrosis/pathology
• Humans
• Male
• Nitric Oxide/metabolism
• Nitric-Oxide Synthase/metabolism
• Penile Induration/drug therapy*
• Penile Induration/enzymology
• Penile Induration/pathology*
• Penis/drug effects
• Penis/enzymology
• Penis/pathology*
• Pentoxifylline/pharmacology
• Phosphodiesterase Inhibitors/pharmacology*
• Phosphoric Diester Hydrolases/genetics
• Phosphoric Diester Hydrolases/metabolism*
• Piperazines/pharmacology
• RNA, Messenger/chemistry
• RNA, Messenger/genetics
• Rats
• Rats, Inbred F344
• Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
• Research Support, U.S. Gov't, P.H.S.
• Reverse Transcriptase Polymerase Chain Reaction
Substances:
• Enzyme Inhibitors
• Phosphodiesterase Inhibitors
• Piperazines
• RNA, Messenger
• Nitric Oxide
• sildenafil
• 8-bromocyclic GMP
• Pentoxifylline
• Arginine
• Cyclic GMP
• Nitric-Oxide Synthase
• inducible nitric oxide synthase
• Phosphoric Diester Hydrolases
Grant Support:
• G12 RR 03026/RR/NCRR
• R01 DK 53069/DK/NIDDK
PMID: 14996430 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
The article difficult to understand, but some things that popped out at me include the dosaging required to reverse PD fibrosis in this study. I'm not suggesting you or I have PD, but perhaps we have fibrosis in our corpus cavernosa that is impeding inflatability and limiting veinous occlusion. L-arginine isn't too expensive, so maybe you could try that.
To all other readers, I'd like to express how terribly painful losing good functionality in my penis is for me. Some days I feel like I'll never be a viable lover again, and sometimes I wish I didn't exist so I wouldn't have to suffer with this. However, I did it to myself, and so it is no ones fault but my own. Still...
Let us know how your MRI goes man. I have a feeling that the test won't show anything wrong, and you'll be told that nothing is wrong with your penis.
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Hey,
I had the MRI scan done. It was the worst thing ever. I hated every second of it. They said they will pass on the results to my specialist and I should get the results back in a couple of weeks. I'm doubtful they will find anything with it though.
I've tried using L-arginine before and also ZMA and I am currently using penis pills and have been for the last month and a half. The penis pills contain L-arginine and ginko and tribulus and lots of other stuff. I didn't notice any difference from these products at all. Not even more frequent erections or increased horniness. Let me know how you get on with it though. I guess it works for some and not for others.
I am quite lucky because I have been in a long term relationship when I damaged it and I am still with her. Shes been on the pill which is good cause I doubt I would have much luck using a condom when I can't get good erections. I feel scared to leave her though because I doubt I would find someone as understanding straight off and because I couldnt use a condom. I really hope this gets sorted because I don't see how my life will be the same if it's not. I am only 19.
I had the MRI scan done. It was the worst thing ever. I hated every second of it. They said they will pass on the results to my specialist and I should get the results back in a couple of weeks. I'm doubtful they will find anything with it though.
I've tried using L-arginine before and also ZMA and I am currently using penis pills and have been for the last month and a half. The penis pills contain L-arginine and ginko and tribulus and lots of other stuff. I didn't notice any difference from these products at all. Not even more frequent erections or increased horniness. Let me know how you get on with it though. I guess it works for some and not for others.
I am quite lucky because I have been in a long term relationship when I damaged it and I am still with her. Shes been on the pill which is good cause I doubt I would have much luck using a condom when I can't get good erections. I feel scared to leave her though because I doubt I would find someone as understanding straight off and because I couldnt use a condom. I really hope this gets sorted because I don't see how my life will be the same if it's not. I am only 19.
Yeah dude. I had a strong feeling your results would return as normal. Whats good is the results probably indicate there aren't any obviously serious structural problems with your penis. Have you considered a doppler sonography or something to measure blood flow? I'm truly sorry to say this, because I'm in the same boat, but you're probably gonna have to live with it. You can keep trying other doctors though. Sometimes problems go undetected by professionals for a long time.
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It might be good to get a doppler test done, but it is my hunch that will also show up normal. I had both an MRI and a doppler and they showed up as normal. And I think you said your penis is not visibly different. Mine totally is. You can see and feel the difference in my flaccid. It`s like a totally different dick. It has no bulk or elasticity in the flaccid state. It`s just a weak piece of rubber that feels like the tissue has totally been blown out of it. But it still looks normal in the tests, which is really messed up.
I think people on these forums have a hard time believing a lot of this stuff. Especially the fact that we didn`t necessarily overdo it compared to a lot of people. I know I was too erect for some of my jelqs each session, but I tried to avoid it and let my erection subside as I neared 100%. I wasn`t purposely doing erect jelqs, I just would get erect from the stimultion. I think that`s a common problem that many guys would say they`ve experienced. But somehow my unit got completely fucked up. The last time I tried, I could get almost a full erection with oral sex before penetration, but I only get half erections at night and spontaneously, and they are very weak and rubbery because my dick has somehow been deformed inside. The head is often cold, and I have discoloration. Yet the urologist can`t pinpoint any particular problem that could be addressed.
I keep wondering how this happened to me when I know there are thousands of other guys who do much more dangerous stuff, even though I am sure many people read my posts and think I must have been doing something totally out of whack much more dangerous than what they do.
This is totally fucking up my life. I had an awesome life before I got into Penis Enlargement, but now I feel like I am on the brink of suicide all day because I have a gorgeous girlfriend who I thought I might possibly marry. We could have had a wonderful life potentially. I know our relationship won`t last much longer and I don`t know how I am going to be able to get on with my life knowing that I may likely be effectively impotent for the rest of my life. Viagra doesn`t even really make a difference for me. This whole situation has devastated me, and I`m sure you guys can relate. I contacted a guy on another forum who said his gradaully got better by abstaining from sex and masturbation for a long period of time (and stopping Penis Enlargement of course). So you might want to consider that. Good luck to you.
I think people on these forums have a hard time believing a lot of this stuff. Especially the fact that we didn`t necessarily overdo it compared to a lot of people. I know I was too erect for some of my jelqs each session, but I tried to avoid it and let my erection subside as I neared 100%. I wasn`t purposely doing erect jelqs, I just would get erect from the stimultion. I think that`s a common problem that many guys would say they`ve experienced. But somehow my unit got completely fucked up. The last time I tried, I could get almost a full erection with oral sex before penetration, but I only get half erections at night and spontaneously, and they are very weak and rubbery because my dick has somehow been deformed inside. The head is often cold, and I have discoloration. Yet the urologist can`t pinpoint any particular problem that could be addressed.
I keep wondering how this happened to me when I know there are thousands of other guys who do much more dangerous stuff, even though I am sure many people read my posts and think I must have been doing something totally out of whack much more dangerous than what they do.
This is totally fucking up my life. I had an awesome life before I got into Penis Enlargement, but now I feel like I am on the brink of suicide all day because I have a gorgeous girlfriend who I thought I might possibly marry. We could have had a wonderful life potentially. I know our relationship won`t last much longer and I don`t know how I am going to be able to get on with my life knowing that I may likely be effectively impotent for the rest of my life. Viagra doesn`t even really make a difference for me. This whole situation has devastated me, and I`m sure you guys can relate. I contacted a guy on another forum who said his gradaully got better by abstaining from sex and masturbation for a long period of time (and stopping Penis Enlargement of course). So you might want to consider that. Good luck to you.
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Yo dude u might want to try upping ur routine working even harder try hanging make sure u do btb jelqing and jelqing and kegels and do an insane work out but it must only be length not girth.
Buy a Power assist if u dont have one this will make ur erections harder.
hey orbital , that is a truly amazing article that you've posted.
Despite the fact that it works for mice only , so far....
Untill now fibrosis and scarring of the corpus cavernosum was totally irreversible, if such a fibrosis was pinpointed to be the cause of your erectile dysfunction, than your only remaining option would be a "penile implant".
That article sparks some hope to reverse it AND it also totally corelates with the studys i posted: Those where hundreds of guys were given viagra daily for 3 - 6 month and after that their erections (tumescence + bloodflow) considerably improoved - most importantly , Penis EnlargementRMANENTLY, they did not have to take viagra any longer to keep the effects after the test duration..
@jtmorgan10
""""This is totally fucking up my life. I had an awesome life before I got into Penis Enlargement, but now I feel like I am on the brink of suicide all day because I have a gorgeous girlfriend who I thought I might possibly marry. We could have had a wonderful life potentially. I know our relationship won`t last much longer and I don`t know how I am going to be able to get on with my life knowing that I may likely be effectively impotent for the rest of my life. Viagra doesn`t even really make a difference for me. This whole situation has devastated me, and I`m sure you guys can relate."""""
---> Man, listen. I totally feel what you are saying there, I've been there, with exactly the same mindset, thoughts, also in a long term relationship, I can totally relate to everyting you say. Now since, alot of time passed since then let me tell you one thing...eventhough it may SEEM to you as the END of the WORLD and your life for you - ITS NOT..its just a phase and you will eventually get through it, the sooner, the better...infact I really stress the word SEEMS...it only appears to be so bad because you think about this and only this ED problem of yours ALL the day AND whats even worse you are relating your relationship problems and most probably EVERY problem that you have or MIGHT get in the future to ED. (You worry about things you cannot control like the past or the future)
Do not dwell on it. I understand its hard for you because you are probably young and your mind hasn't matured enough to cope with stress like that. Thats why this this problem takes up all your universe...
..lemme give you some simple advice to get you started feeling good again AND get you on the right track to recover.
1. Accept the fact that you have ED. Stop thinking about it as your BIGGEST and only problem and the missing puzzle to a succesfull life. Only YOU can effectively hinder yourself from achieving those "goals/ dreams" in life that you mentioned <<<"We could have had a wonderful life potentially. I know our relationship won`t last much longer and I don`t know how I am going to be able to get on with my life knowing">>> Notice how you keep mentioning yourself and her or both of you ? Thats because IT IS UP TO YOU AND HER to make it last. Your dick is probably the least important factor in a possible future marriage or the current relationship. You just allow it to get to you, and once it gets you down it reflects on everything else...but only because YOU let it happen !!! Every second marriage gets cancelled after 1 year of marriage. Do you think its because all those guys had ED ? Hell no , its due to cummunication problems/inabilitys/weak charakters/lack of personality/commitment/ WORK !!!!!! and so on.
2. GAIN KNOWLEDGE. Know your enemy ! Pinpoint the reason behind your ED. Don't obsess, inform yourself !
You are obviously lacking alot of knowledge when it comes to ED, you need to do much better research - I promise, the more you know, the less you will have to worry about things (you didn't know before and still feared them).
Hint: The knowledge and all possible reasons and also all up-to-date cures were already researched by me and others on this forum , you can find the information in my posts (clicking on profile and clicking on "view all posts or threads by tbirdy).
If you did so you wouldn't say things like :
" I may likely be effectively impotent for the rest of my life." Well did you know that you could get an instant cure by a modern undetectable penle implant that totally simulates a real erection and your orgasms and sensivity remains the same , so ? What do you fear.
That above is highly unlikely and definetly not neccessary for you right now, but its still a possible fix to a possible condition in the future wich you wouldn't worry about if you knew about the cure.
another example ?
"Viagra doesn`t even really make a difference for me."
Well DID you even try that 3 - 6 month daily 50 mg before sleep routine as mentioned in the study done in 2005 that effectivly cured many many men with medium erectile dysfunction ( exactly what you have) ???
Besides, I have a feeling that you are either unconciously shitting yourself or me :
You say viagra doesn't really make a difference AND that your dick is oh so fucked up but then last time you tried :
"The last time I tried, I could get almost a full erection with oral sex before penetration, but I only get half erections at night and spontaneously, and they are very weak and rubbery because my dick has somehow been deformed inside. The head is often cold, and I have discoloration."
You fucking got it up had sex , had nighttime and spontanious erections...WTF ? Seems like light to medium ED to me and that eventhough it doesn't work 100% like it used to , it still works !!!!
So how can you be devasted ? Pls totally shut the fuck up bout even mentioning suicide ??? What the hell ??? What for ?
You do know that viagra at any dosing STILL needs a sexual stimuls ( you need to feel the urge and get turned on) in order to work ??? So do yourself a favour : Don't touch your dick for a week (as in no mastuarbation ejaculation) then plan a romantic day with your girl , nice dinner and shit , take 100 mg viagra 2 hours before (the 2 of you prbably get down) get a blowjob from here , and THEN come back telling me viagra didn't make a difference...
Well ok now , I don't want to be to harsh, just trying to get your head straight again...you should have nuff inout and ideas to get you started in the right directions...
BACK TO THE ARTICLE :
"When L-arginine (2.25 g/kg/day), pentoxifylline (10 mg/kg/day), or sildenafil (10 mg/kg/day) was given individually in the drinking water for 45 days to rats with a PD-like plaque induced by TGF beta1, each treatment resulted in a 80-95% reduction in both plaque size and in the collagen/fibroblast ratio, as determined by Masson trichrome staining. Both sildenafil and pentoxiphylline stimulated fibroblast apoptosis within the TA. Our results support the hypothesis that the increase in NO and/or cGMP/cAMP levels by long-term administration of nitrergic agents or inhibitors of PDE, may be effective in reversing the fibrosis of PD, and more speculatively, other fibrotic conditions."
Jeeez,
L-arginine (2.25 g/kg/day), pentoxifylline (10 mg/kg/day), or sildenafil (10 mg/kg/day) was given individually in the drinking water for 45
In humans =
I would need 191,25 g Argnine , 850 mg of pentoxifylline,
and or 850 mg Viagra....
Ok obviously it doesn't translated from mice to humans without killing the human with the above combo...
so I think what would do the trick is taking the highest allowed/confirmed non poison dosing of each drug daily.
Viagra = Confirmed 100 max , but probably 150 spread throughout the day will be possible.
l-arginine 6-15 grams per day.
and only the pentoxifylline is no problem because an adult can take up to 1200 mg in 3 dosings spread though the day...
Well since all of these drugs do fuck with your blood pressure and heart beat (lowering one and upping the other) its probably safest to try this routine with 10 g arginine and 1200 mg pentoxifylline daily and see what it does for you after a month or 2...
This totally looks like the next step in the right direction:
The studys I mentioned used only viagra for 3-6 month and got great results,
its also proven that l-arginine helps with erections if taken in dosing above 3 grams for a long enough time..so both of them combined would probably have a synergetic great effect. This wasn't tried yet and I can#t tell if its safe to try in the future because each of these drugs do lower your blood pressure significantly and if combined , you could drop dead...
so take care if your willing to try...i wouldn't do this without daily control by a trustworthy doctor that monitors all your body functions especially your heart....
besides , who says you couldn't get the same "mice" effect on humans with 50 mg viagra and 3 grams l-arginine daily...hasn*t been tried yet...
ok, last but not least
IXL and PANDORA
I guess you are trying to help the guys in this thread but what you are doing is equally to: Telling an alcolholic who got in all of his problems BECAUSE OF THE ALCOHOLE , to drink even more , and , better , and harder liquier to solve his problems...
that will not do it
~ peace tbirdy
Despite the fact that it works for mice only , so far....
Untill now fibrosis and scarring of the corpus cavernosum was totally irreversible, if such a fibrosis was pinpointed to be the cause of your erectile dysfunction, than your only remaining option would be a "penile implant".
That article sparks some hope to reverse it AND it also totally corelates with the studys i posted: Those where hundreds of guys were given viagra daily for 3 - 6 month and after that their erections (tumescence + bloodflow) considerably improoved - most importantly , Penis EnlargementRMANENTLY, they did not have to take viagra any longer to keep the effects after the test duration..
@jtmorgan10
""""This is totally fucking up my life. I had an awesome life before I got into Penis Enlargement, but now I feel like I am on the brink of suicide all day because I have a gorgeous girlfriend who I thought I might possibly marry. We could have had a wonderful life potentially. I know our relationship won`t last much longer and I don`t know how I am going to be able to get on with my life knowing that I may likely be effectively impotent for the rest of my life. Viagra doesn`t even really make a difference for me. This whole situation has devastated me, and I`m sure you guys can relate."""""
---> Man, listen. I totally feel what you are saying there, I've been there, with exactly the same mindset, thoughts, also in a long term relationship, I can totally relate to everyting you say. Now since, alot of time passed since then let me tell you one thing...eventhough it may SEEM to you as the END of the WORLD and your life for you - ITS NOT..its just a phase and you will eventually get through it, the sooner, the better...infact I really stress the word SEEMS...it only appears to be so bad because you think about this and only this ED problem of yours ALL the day AND whats even worse you are relating your relationship problems and most probably EVERY problem that you have or MIGHT get in the future to ED. (You worry about things you cannot control like the past or the future)
Do not dwell on it. I understand its hard for you because you are probably young and your mind hasn't matured enough to cope with stress like that. Thats why this this problem takes up all your universe...
..lemme give you some simple advice to get you started feeling good again AND get you on the right track to recover.
1. Accept the fact that you have ED. Stop thinking about it as your BIGGEST and only problem and the missing puzzle to a succesfull life. Only YOU can effectively hinder yourself from achieving those "goals/ dreams" in life that you mentioned <<<"We could have had a wonderful life potentially. I know our relationship won`t last much longer and I don`t know how I am going to be able to get on with my life knowing">>> Notice how you keep mentioning yourself and her or both of you ? Thats because IT IS UP TO YOU AND HER to make it last. Your dick is probably the least important factor in a possible future marriage or the current relationship. You just allow it to get to you, and once it gets you down it reflects on everything else...but only because YOU let it happen !!! Every second marriage gets cancelled after 1 year of marriage. Do you think its because all those guys had ED ? Hell no , its due to cummunication problems/inabilitys/weak charakters/lack of personality/commitment/ WORK !!!!!! and so on.
2. GAIN KNOWLEDGE. Know your enemy ! Pinpoint the reason behind your ED. Don't obsess, inform yourself !
You are obviously lacking alot of knowledge when it comes to ED, you need to do much better research - I promise, the more you know, the less you will have to worry about things (you didn't know before and still feared them).
Hint: The knowledge and all possible reasons and also all up-to-date cures were already researched by me and others on this forum , you can find the information in my posts (clicking on profile and clicking on "view all posts or threads by tbirdy).
If you did so you wouldn't say things like :
" I may likely be effectively impotent for the rest of my life." Well did you know that you could get an instant cure by a modern undetectable penle implant that totally simulates a real erection and your orgasms and sensivity remains the same , so ? What do you fear.
That above is highly unlikely and definetly not neccessary for you right now, but its still a possible fix to a possible condition in the future wich you wouldn't worry about if you knew about the cure.
another example ?
"Viagra doesn`t even really make a difference for me."
Well DID you even try that 3 - 6 month daily 50 mg before sleep routine as mentioned in the study done in 2005 that effectivly cured many many men with medium erectile dysfunction ( exactly what you have) ???
Besides, I have a feeling that you are either unconciously shitting yourself or me :
You say viagra doesn't really make a difference AND that your dick is oh so fucked up but then last time you tried :
"The last time I tried, I could get almost a full erection with oral sex before penetration, but I only get half erections at night and spontaneously, and they are very weak and rubbery because my dick has somehow been deformed inside. The head is often cold, and I have discoloration."
You fucking got it up had sex , had nighttime and spontanious erections...WTF ? Seems like light to medium ED to me and that eventhough it doesn't work 100% like it used to , it still works !!!!
So how can you be devasted ? Pls totally shut the fuck up bout even mentioning suicide ??? What the hell ??? What for ?
You do know that viagra at any dosing STILL needs a sexual stimuls ( you need to feel the urge and get turned on) in order to work ??? So do yourself a favour : Don't touch your dick for a week (as in no mastuarbation ejaculation) then plan a romantic day with your girl , nice dinner and shit , take 100 mg viagra 2 hours before (the 2 of you prbably get down) get a blowjob from here , and THEN come back telling me viagra didn't make a difference...
Well ok now , I don't want to be to harsh, just trying to get your head straight again...you should have nuff inout and ideas to get you started in the right directions...
BACK TO THE ARTICLE :
"When L-arginine (2.25 g/kg/day), pentoxifylline (10 mg/kg/day), or sildenafil (10 mg/kg/day) was given individually in the drinking water for 45 days to rats with a PD-like plaque induced by TGF beta1, each treatment resulted in a 80-95% reduction in both plaque size and in the collagen/fibroblast ratio, as determined by Masson trichrome staining. Both sildenafil and pentoxiphylline stimulated fibroblast apoptosis within the TA. Our results support the hypothesis that the increase in NO and/or cGMP/cAMP levels by long-term administration of nitrergic agents or inhibitors of PDE, may be effective in reversing the fibrosis of PD, and more speculatively, other fibrotic conditions."
Jeeez,
L-arginine (2.25 g/kg/day), pentoxifylline (10 mg/kg/day), or sildenafil (10 mg/kg/day) was given individually in the drinking water for 45
In humans =
I would need 191,25 g Argnine , 850 mg of pentoxifylline,
and or 850 mg Viagra....
Ok obviously it doesn't translated from mice to humans without killing the human with the above combo...
so I think what would do the trick is taking the highest allowed/confirmed non poison dosing of each drug daily.
Viagra = Confirmed 100 max , but probably 150 spread throughout the day will be possible.
l-arginine 6-15 grams per day.
and only the pentoxifylline is no problem because an adult can take up to 1200 mg in 3 dosings spread though the day...
Well since all of these drugs do fuck with your blood pressure and heart beat (lowering one and upping the other) its probably safest to try this routine with 10 g arginine and 1200 mg pentoxifylline daily and see what it does for you after a month or 2...
This totally looks like the next step in the right direction:
The studys I mentioned used only viagra for 3-6 month and got great results,
its also proven that l-arginine helps with erections if taken in dosing above 3 grams for a long enough time..so both of them combined would probably have a synergetic great effect. This wasn't tried yet and I can#t tell if its safe to try in the future because each of these drugs do lower your blood pressure significantly and if combined , you could drop dead...
so take care if your willing to try...i wouldn't do this without daily control by a trustworthy doctor that monitors all your body functions especially your heart....
besides , who says you couldn't get the same "mice" effect on humans with 50 mg viagra and 3 grams l-arginine daily...hasn*t been tried yet...
ok, last but not least
IXL and PANDORA
I guess you are trying to help the guys in this thread but what you are doing is equally to: Telling an alcolholic who got in all of his problems BECAUSE OF THE ALCOHOLE , to drink even more , and , better , and harder liquier to solve his problems...
that will not do it
~ peace tbirdy
ba-ba-ba BUMP !!!!!!!
Combine my last post in this thread with
10INCHADVANTAGE's thread on CHEMICAL ADS
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30863
and all you people suffering from any type of ED or damage have something
worth trying out !
Basically, u either use 50mg V before sleep daily for 6 month
or do the same with cialis 10-15 mg every 4 days for 6 month
in an attempt to reverse fibrosis and clean up your arteries, improove your blood flow.
And last but not least, take bib's "jelquing behind the balls to free up possible plaque" advice in consideration. (Though its risky I think, plaque in system = possible heart/lung/brain arterie obstructions)
The First advice by me is backed up by studys , it worked for many men, so try it out. The second is probably a even better way with less side effects...
and the last one has to be discussed to the fullest yet.
p.s. What happened to the guys and their problems in this thread ???
Combine my last post in this thread with
10INCHADVANTAGE's thread on CHEMICAL ADS
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30863
and all you people suffering from any type of ED or damage have something
worth trying out !
Basically, u either use 50mg V before sleep daily for 6 month
or do the same with cialis 10-15 mg every 4 days for 6 month
in an attempt to reverse fibrosis and clean up your arteries, improove your blood flow.
And last but not least, take bib's "jelquing behind the balls to free up possible plaque" advice in consideration. (Though its risky I think, plaque in system = possible heart/lung/brain arterie obstructions)
The First advice by me is backed up by studys , it worked for many men, so try it out. The second is probably a even better way with less side effects...
and the last one has to be discussed to the fullest yet.
p.s. What happened to the guys and their problems in this thread ???
