Erection problems from PE (I think)

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Hey guys,
I have been having some real erection problems and it's really starting to piss me off. I haven't been able to get erect properly for about 2 months now. The most it gets is like 75% erect on its own. I started to so some more girth work and then my erections got weaker. This is the routine I was doing:
- Hot wrap
- 5 mins of manual stretching
- 10 mins of wet jelqing
- 10 x 40second ULIs
- Hot wrap

Before that I was just doing a jelqing routine or something. I really wanted some more girth so I started doing the routine above for a while and it was going fine until my erections started getting weaker. The routine isn't even intense, especially compared to some other guys, and I'd been Penis Enlargementing for quite a while so didn't see a problem doing this routine. I did it most days. When I started getting the erection problems I kept up the Penis Enlargement but not as much. Then when they didn't get back I stopped Penis Enlargement. I've stopped Penis Enlargement for a month now, apart from the odd wet jelqing session, and they still haven't come back properly! It's really annoying me now.

I know it can't be a mental thing because this has happened to me before when I started to do more girth work. I stopped Penis Enlargement and the erections came back after about 3-4 weeks. But that hasn't happened this time.

I also don't think it can be mental because it does get like 70% erect or whatever but just not full. It feels like theres just not enough blood going into it. I get girls and it still doesn't get fully hard. If I am masturbating or doing something with a girl it may get 85% erect max but if you leave it alone it will go back down to 50% or whatever after 20 seconds or something!!

I do my kegels and I do the odd wet jelqing session to try and promote blood flow. I even took ZMA for about a month to try and boost my testostrone and erections etc but it still didn't help. I've got down masturbation a lot too.

Theres no noticable difference in my cock just by looking at it so I don't know what it is. I can only think my cock is damaged some how and not enough blood is getting into it or something like that.

Please guys, don't advise me to take viagra or anything like that because I am 19 and shouldn't need that shit and I also can't afford it!

I am only 19 and I can do without this shit in my life. My girl is getting bored with it. My cocks small enough as it is and I can do without not being able to get fully erect so it's even smaller!

If you guys can help at all it would be much appreciated. I will asnwer all questions you have etc. Please help.

Cheers
 
You didn't mention if you get morning woodys.

I would really focus on the kegels, lay off the alcohol (you didn't say if you drank) and smoking.

Do you get more hard when viewing your favourite brand of adult entertainment?

Finally, there's always a trip to the doc or urologist if all else fails.

Good luck.
 
I sometimes get a morning woody but still it's only like 70% erect. It's not a full one!

I rarely drink. Just now and again at weekends if I go out to a club. I don't smoke either. I'm reasonably healthy. I drink loads of water, try to keep fit etc.

adult entertainment seems to do nothing for me anymore. Watching adult entertainment is like watching golf for me now.
 
Hey dude. I feel you.

Listen to me : There is one thing that you said that is very very true. A 19 y. shouldn't need viagra or anything else to get 100% excellent erections.
No viagra, No testosterone enhancers , no Penis Enlargement, no pc workouts. No nothing !

Let me give you an advice (I think it will be the best you will get on this entire Forum)

Go to a doctor immidiately (find a specialist a really good/modern one) and insist on a full duplex scan (its called "doppler sonographie" in german.
Don't let anyone fool you or shake you of with phrases like :Here take a viagra/ stop smoking/live with it or sum shit like that.
INSIST on a full duplex. Insist on getting your veins and arteries "extra" checked.

This scan allows the docs to see how much blood is going into the penis and how much is going out. They will also notice "blood leaks". Wich is the most important purpose of this scan. Blood leaks can be from damaged veins (venous leak) or damaged arteries and also directly from the spongy tissue. They all result in the same situation : You have more blood flowing out than in = INCOMPLETE ERECTION.

I'm going through similiar shit like you for 2 years now (and a member nicknamed "hope"). And today I had my dick examined by germanys best urologist. The leading specialist in that area. I made an appointment for tuesday next week and then I will be full duplex examined.

Just as you I tried to exclude all possible variables :
-low testosterone
-low sex drive
-masturbation
- too much Penis Enlargement / not enough Penis Enlargement / excersizes intensity/time
-to much kegels / not enough kegels
- tribulus in all doses and in combination with the others
-viagra in all doses "" ""
-arginine in all doses "" ""
-psychology ( yes I visited a therapist)
-urologist (forget cheap old bastards they want to sell/ you need a specialist urologist)

Yeah sure some of these "attempts @ fixing" did improove my situation. I even kept gaining with Penis Enlargement. But all in all its NEVER a real fix. None of these things brought me back what I used to have naturally before my injury : a THROBBING erection. An erection that was so hard by itself (without any viagra, pe or whatsoever shit) that it pulsated. Each day morning wood that doesn't go down while I shave my beard and brush my teeth EVENTHOUGH there are no sexual feeling/thoughts involved nor is the bladder full with piss. Thats it pure vitality. Youth my friend. I'm only a couple years older than you and I realized I will not live a happy life without my old dick back at full strength.

Oh well I talkin bout myself too much...back to you :

Don't believe those who say: "light jelquing couldn't have caused such a condition, look at me I gained while a jelqued at 120% erection level ! "

I say : They have no fuckin clue. And if they don't want to accept the fact that even the lightest form of jelquing is in reality completely unnatural and CAN be very dangerous to the penis.
The truth about jelquing is : Its not masturbation , its not like fucking, it a complete unique technique.
It is true that jelquing can will result in a bigger dick, however people must realize that it also can will damage dicks permanently. Dicks that wouldn't have been damaged by even exessive masturbation or hardcore sex. Dicks that belong to guys like "provider, hope , myself , and many many others"

My personal opinion is that there is too much instant increasing pressure on the penis and all its tissues because of the "ok sign upward milk technique" - you squeeze at the base after you kegeld even more blood inside than you force this blood and this huge pressure up your shaft (going the anti natural way) with auto-increasing pressure after each mm - this has serious "fuck a dick up" potential if you ask me ?!?!

In my opinion even the lightest form of jelquing is more dangerous than light horse sueezes, or light pumping or any other excersize where the pressure is spread " EVENLY". In truth jelquing is very very advanced and it shouldn't be something a completely unexperienced guys jumps into.

Well, fuck that I think you understand that I'm not a big fan of jelquing like I used to be 2 years ago.


Back to the topic and a REAL FIX for your situation.

As long as you are young and the blood inflow is good. ( wich I'm sure is the case in your case.)

There is a very very good chances of completely recovering.

First step is, finding a real specialist who REALLY understands your problem and doesn't give you "viagra advices"

Next step is the full duplex scan.

I believe in your case its some sort of leak too. The good news is if the leaks can be found the can be shut too.

Venous leaks can be shut by completly removing several veins, thus balancing out the in - outflow to a desired ratio.
Also you can get the veins tightened to lessen the amount of blood that passes through them.
Thats all microsurgery, minimal invasive, you recover really fast and there is potential of complete recoverage by this alone. Again only if the operation is done by a real specialists in cases where not enough or the wrong veins were removed the people developed the same condition a year or two later again after an initial recovery.

The new thing I heard from the german specialist today was that you can also have a blood leak from the erectile/spongy tissue itself. This was a complete surprise for me because I never suspected something / nor have I found some info on that in 2 years of extreme searching for information. Still even that can be fixed by a surgery (again microsurgery, probably stitches or some method to close the leak for good)

I think that I have a mixture of those problems because I had 2 traumas to the penis. 2 years ago I had the first that fucked up my left chamber (most probably due to jelquing and wrong sleeping position) but yet didn't fuck up my erection completely and the other one that fucked up my corpus spongiousum (slipped out duurin cow girl on top) a year ago and along that my throbbing erections.

That is actually the only reason why the specialist cared about helping me out that quick. Its a rare multiple trauma condition + I'm very young (22) and probably looked really upset and frustrated while explaining my situation to him.

When I made a call in order to make the appointment for the meeting the recption bitch said i'll get on the "wait list" and the next possible date is in 4 month. Well then I lied and said I have huge pain and I fear its falling off. then she said: come now then! and there I was. :)

As I said before insist, don't give up , don't let them shake you off, lie, steal, kill if you have to :) (jk)


I'll report back in a week.

Oh and btw. There should be a subforum on this forum with a different name than "booboos and band aids"

Thats like another slap in the face of the poor guy who fucked his dick up with light jelqs. Its not a boo boo its a damn disaster - permanent damage. Yes Penis Enlargement can do that despity of intensity or experience level involved.
 
Wow! u really talked bad about peing but u still continue to do it. If i hurt my penis so bad that it wouldnt' get 100percent erect Id be out of the program. I have had similar problems to you guys in that i couldn;t get 100 percent erect even when i was fucking or jackin off. SO i totally stopped the program and continued to have weak erections. I went back to the program and it went back to normal. In my opinion jelging is fairly safe if done correctly as well as pe. I know damage can be done, and iam like the most nervous person when it comes to it. I warm cloth like 10 minutes prior and take hot shower after wards to help reduce injury, but i dont think at all that doing a horse 440 squeeze is any safer for the dick it creates so much more pressure on the chambers than a jelg, plus jelging isn't meant to be done at 100 percent erection where the chambers get bigger up top as you jelg upward like u were saying, its too much pressure on them and your right, object is to just move blood to the head and fill the chambers and getting the right feeling of that took a while. Ive said it in other reply's better scientific study needs to be done before anybody can feel safe with peing, and there really arn't any reliable one's out there which sucks. I would just say don't overdue it Afterall Everyguy can have a huge dick but if it doesn't work than its worthless. The way i see it iam not pornoed dicked but it works so iam happy. Sorry bout your misfortunes guys hope yall get better.
 
I've always gotten horrible erectile dysfunction when I've Penis Enlargement'd intensely for a long period of time, particularily if I've tried to do focus heavily on both length AND girth. It worsens gradually up to the point where I can't get any girth work done, which is usually the time when I put Penis Enlargementing on hold to regain proper functioning.

The only thing I can say to console you is that it's only passing. I've been there many, many times, and always gotten my dick back in shape after a break. You should try it, too, and lay off the adult entertainment while you're at it. You can only look at pictures or video clips of naked women up to a certain point before you start to become jaded, and lose your arousal over those little details that would normally get you horny.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I am going to try the following for the next week or two.
- Cut out as much masturbation and sexual stuff as I can (this is fucking hard for me!)
- Cut down on looking at adult entertainment
- I'm gonna do something RED posted about hot/cold treatment and also do lots of hot wraps throughout the day
- I'm going to keep doing my kegels
- No Penis Enlargement
- I'll take an Iprobufen every second day

After doing this for a week or two if my erections still aren't back I'll have to go and see a doctor.
 
My quick take.
In the current world we live in, I dont think many males [healthy] get as solid erections as they should. STRESS in life and the workplace are main factors. I work LONG BUISY hours and I dont get many erections like I did. Alot of men are like this now. Also the food we eat and liquids we drink are full of alsorts of shit which wont help matters.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
My quick take.
In the current world we live in, I dont think many males [healthy] get as solid erections as they should.
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Totally agree i can remember when i was in highschool and i would get multiple bonners just from looking at girls in school. That is when my dick seemed to be the healthiest,
 
Im 20 y/o and I had a HORRIFIC case of impotence about 7 months ago before I did Penis Enlargement. It started when I took some dietary supplements called Ripped Fuel. They basically tell you to take them in addition to your workout regimen to get more "ripped."
Well I started taking them and about a month later I was having a really hard time maintaining, or getting, a 100% erection. In fact 5 minutes into it I was lucky to have 50%.
I immediately stopped taking the pills but it took a good 2 months to get back to regular. To add insult to injury, after the erection problem went away it even lead to a equally horrific case of premature ejaculation........*SIGH* Hard times, hard times

My advice is listen to tbird, go to the doctor, but try to remember to not let it get to you. Take it for what it is and do what you can about it. I realized that I was getting so worked up about the problem that the physical reasons why I got erectile dysfunction now became secondary to new psychological ones.

Do some research on WeBathmated to get a better understanding on whats goin on.

Hang in there!! It'll go away and you'll be shagging like a crazy bastard in no time :cool:
 
Its all right going to the doctor, but they wont just send you to a urologist like that, especially here in the UK. They are more in depth. Stress causes alot of erectile issues, and they will probably talk to the individual first and see how the lifestyle is.
Smokeing, caffeine etc etc. Will advise you to adjust certain things. If your lucky you might get some Viagra, but they dont really prescribe that easy in the UK, its not a cure...its a cover for erectile issues. If issues aint resolved after the chat and any corrections the person could do, than another trip would be due. Than, the doc will probably send you to a urologist.

The point for dragging this up is, that most doctors wont just send you to a urologist straight away....rightfully so to. Theres no need for that, like I keep saying most erectile issues are mental and caused by the hectic world we live in. Not many are actually biological/anatomical...and viagra certainly isnt a cure.
 
Mine aren't mental at all though, I know a lot of peoples are but my ain't. It's quite clearly due to the girth work I started doing. I don't even have a job, I don't have a stressful lifestyle, I don't smoke, hardly ever drink, I'm healthy etc.
 
"Theres no need for that, like I keep saying most erectile issues are mental and caused by the hectic world we live in."

Red get your facts straight. Truth is 70% of all erectile problems are organic .

I don't argue about stress. Yes its also a huge erection+libido killer. But nonetheless most often its a blood flow issue (either not enough flowing in or too much flowing out) or nerve damage. The older you get the more often its organic.

Jareth "Wow! u really talked bad about peing but u still continue to do it. If i hurt my penis so bad that it wouldnt' get 100percent erect Id be out of the program."

--Jareth man you really need to stfu and get off my dick man. What is your point in your post ? Pretend that I'm stupid and don't know howto jelq ? I was there at the very very first Penis Enlargement forums long time before [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] or thunders or zillion other Penis Enlargement sites. I know every Penis Enlargement excersize out there and each and every variation of them.

"In my opinion jelging is fairly safe if done correctly as well as pe." Well In my opinion its not. Member hope did a couple minutes of them , very very light and lost his throb forever. Wtf you think he is stupid too ? Do you you think he and I jumped into it ? Read again what posted and read between the lines.

"but i dont think at all that doing a horse 440 squeeze is any safer for the dick it creates so much more pressure on the chambers than a jelg,"

Oh really ? Actually there is no differnece in maximum pressure because the pressure changes with the intensity of the grip. The difference is however that with jelquing you always have increasing pressure and with horses you "CAN" have increasing pressure but you also can just squeeze lightly then stop and hold a constant pressure on all chambers wich is evenly spread. In my book thats much safer.

"I went back to the program and it went back to normal."

Good for you. When the dick is broke it doesn't matter how much you take off, it will never get back to normal.


"Wow! u really talked bad about peing but u still continue to do it. If i hurt my penis so bad that it wouldnt' get 100percent erect Id be out of the program."

Again think before you talk.
As I said before, even now the penis blood circulation isn't fully researched. Back then I didn't know about venous leaks, damaged valves or leaking erectile tissue. What I did know was that Penis Enlargement can give you a bigger dick. And after I fucked up my left chamber and got a frikkin 30° deviation to the left I WAS FUCKIN DESPenis EnlargementRATE to restore what I lost. Everyone knew back than that surgery is not an option and that it will fuck up the penis or shorten it.
Penis Enlargement did help me to completely fight of the deviation, its completly straight now. And Penis Enlargement helped me to rebuild the left chamber nearly as good as it was. Along the way I gained so why should I have stopped and "ran" away ? I'm not the man who runs away. I face the problem and try to find a solution.I even invented my own unique ("fix uneven chambers technique"- wich helped a couple guys here too) If i DID ran away I'd have a 7x5 crooked unevenly shaped dick WITH medium erectile disfunction right now. What I DO have is : 8 x 5,5 perfectly shaped monster with erectile disfunction (as in not as hard as it used to be without viagra) + a cs that doesn't fill up completly.
If thedoc restores bloodflow to my cs and fixes the blood leaks wich I'm sure he can do I will be 8 x 5.8 and sure as hell will stop atleast for 6 month - 1 year to let everything heal completely. Then I'll restart with a very very light pumping routine to get to slid 8.2 nbp and 6.2 erect girth and then retire forever.

I never talked bad about Penis Enlargement I always tried to show "naive" members that it has 2 sides to it and that you ONLY HAVE ONE DICK !

If a new member joins this forum (mostly a young guy) and talks about increasing his 7.5 x 5.5 and get to 10 x 7 overnight I will warn him and guide him to the "injury section" so he gets his mind up and fuckin reads and researches a couple of month before he starts with a very light routine. or better yet firstly learns the do's and don'ts of a given excersize and sees how his body reacts to it.

In fact the injury section should be on top of this forum AND THE FIRST MUST READ FOR ANY NEW MEMBER. Just to make sure that they don't repeat other peoples mistakes.

Oh and while I'm at it. I want to share my own theory on Penis Enlargement and who should Penis Enlargement and who shouldn't . Its based on personal experience and observation.

I will talk about girth workout only because. Stretching will work for each and every type of dick if done correctly.

The problem with girth is : You need to have the type of dick that is more likely to gain girth WITHOUT loosing erection hardness (while you are at it) or get erectile disfunction later once you quit your Penis Enlargement journy.

The only dick that has the best chances to get out large AND hard is the one with the least topical visible veins / small , tiny , thin topical veins (low amount), thin deep dorsal vein.
Also good is : Thick deep dorsal vein but no visble or thick veins anywhere else.

WHy `? Simple, because of the fact that veins mean blood outflow and the more veins you have and the larger they are the more and quicker the bloodoutflow.

My observation that got me thinking about this was that out of all adult entertainment vids or pictures I've seen (plenty of em) the guys with the least veins have the hardest looking erections, shiniest heads, roundest chambers, most pronounced CS chambers, and best erection angles.

So what has that to do with Penis Enlargement ?
Again , simple. Penis Enlargement and some excersizes (like the jelq, or constrictors, fuck it basically every girth excersize) will increase the size of the veins , and sometimes even make veins pop out where you couldn't see any before. (thas not because Penis Enlargement grows new ones , its because small , tiny veins become permanently enlarged, or defect .)
This is permanent after a given time !!!

Now I theorize that If you are lucky you ALSO increase the amount of blood that can pass through your arteries by enlarging the arteries through Penis Enlargement,thus keep a balanced inflow-outflow-ratio=hard dick. (The arteries are deep within the chambers and only 2 are on top, tiny ones though)

What I fear and what I observed is : The enlarging of these very arteries is NOT permanent. So once you are of Penis Enlargement , they return to normal size BUT you have fucked up, larger than life veins now and a newly found erectile disfunction wich hinders you from showing off your gains because your dick won't fill up completely. viagra for life !

For me this totally explains why some guys come here with low erection quality and once they get on a good routine they get much harder erections (better arteries). As long as they stay with Penis Enlargement they will continue to grow and keep the hardness (atleast for some time). Their best hardness days are "girth workout days" and off days. However once they quit they get floppy dicks again---> so hooked for life on Penis Enlargement, because Penis Enlargement didn't really FIX their obviously organic issue (inflow outflow) - it just masked them temporary

Ok enough bad case scenarios.

If you have no topical, visible veins , and don't develope these at your routine I think you have the best chances to get really thick AND remain hard forever without viagra.

Examples that come to mind are "the ugly ramon bang bus dude" if its not some secret brazilian surgery then it must be mother nature.
His dick ALWAYS looks mighty hard it fills up from top to bottom , has huge round chambers. He has like ONLY one really visble vein on top of his dick (probably the dorsal one) however no veins at all at the sides or bottom of his dick. (some really tiny brunched ones show up when he tries to squeeze his thick stick into tiny asses- but thats about it)
Naturally I believe he is exactly 8-8,5 x 6" and the amazing thing is the girth is like that from base to top pretty evenly.
He has a very tiny had , wich only adds to the illusion of him being longer than he really is (other people guess him at 9"-9,5 wich is bullshit) In fact he DOES have more dick than others shaft wise. YOu can compare another 8x6 dick with him with less width/more depth and a bigger (longer head) and ramon will look alot larger because he has more shaft.
Pumped , I put him @ 8.5 x 6.2-6.4. And he sure as hells pumps alot and often. Good thing is he still looks hard with his pumped dick because he has so few veins that the blood in flow is always enough to create enough pressure for a hard dick.

Another example is a dude (don't know his name ) from "all internal" he got huge girth and that 2 dicks weilded together look. Looks MONSTER and very very hard, very pronounced CS and no veins at all. Go figure.


Ok last but not least. So you all don't attack me:

I'm not saying that you should stop Penis Enlargement-girth if you happen to have alot of veins or that you shouldn't start with it in the first place.
I'm also very aware of the possible existence of they guy who has lots of big bulging veins and SO GOOD arterie inflow (due to big arteries or very very good circulation, or blood pressure or whatever) that he will keep his hardness no matter the amount of new veins he developes or destroys. I guess that rare though and You can't count on it.

Just keep that stuff in mind and keep a close look on your dick hardness.

I myself started with one single visible vein on top and not a single visble vein anywhere else, made huge fast girth gains and developed more and more veins along the journey. No I have veins that are big and don't go away no matter how much I take off, my best hardness days are when I do girthwork , wait 1 or 2 days and do it again and when I take viagra :(. The worst days are when I do alot of girthwork then pause...its really horrible once the good off days phase is gone ..then it slowly returns to a state where I have hard erections for sex as long as most of my body is higher than my dick (doggystyle, missionary) and its really shitty medium hard or less @ woman on top positions (wich is the main reason why my girl is never on top)
No spontanious erections, rare morning wood (mostly only when I took viagra the day before), dick needs constant stimulation to remain really hard , I have huge strength in my pc muscles because I'm like aways on the edge of cumming and holding off at the same time ( to remain very hard) I can brake off every orgasm and ejacualtion.
But that shit just upsets me.
I actually don't want to use my pc muscles at all duuring sex. And I want to do woman on top , and hell I want my throb back. Wish me luck yall in 4 days I'll get a needle in my dick with prostaglandine and a full duplex scan :( hopefully they can come up with a good solution !!!! I pray they do.
 
tbirdy said:
"Theres no need for that, like I keep saying most erectile issues are mental and caused by the hectic world we live in."

Red get your facts straight. Truth is 70% of all erectile problems are organic .

I don't argue about stress. Yes its also a huge erection+libido killer. But nonetheless most often its a blood flow issue (either not enough flowing in or too much flowing out) or nerve damage. The older you get the more often its organic.

Jareth "Wow! u really talked bad about peing but u still continue to do it. If i hurt my penis so bad that it wouldnt' get 100percent erect Id be out of the program."

--Jareth man you really need to stfu and get off my dick man. What is your point in your post ? Pretend that I'm stupid and don't know howto jelq ? I was there at the very very first Penis Enlargement forums long time before [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] or thunders or zillion other Penis Enlargement sites. I know every Penis Enlargement excersize out there and each and every variation of them.

"In my opinion jelging is fairly safe if done correctly as well as pe." Well In my opinion its not. Member hope did a couple minutes of them , very very light and lost his throb forever. Wtf you think he is stupid too ? Do you you think he and I jumped into it ? Read again what posted and read between the lines.

"but i dont think at all that doing a horse 440 squeeze is any safer for the dick it creates so much more pressure on the chambers than a jelg,"

Oh really ? Actually there is no differnece in maximum pressure because the pressure changes with the intensity of the grip. The difference is however that with jelquing you always have increasing pressure and with horses you "CAN" have increasing pressure but you also can just squeeze lightly then stop and hold a constant pressure on all chambers wich is evenly spread. In my book thats much safer.

"I went back to the program and it went back to normal."

Good for you. When the dick is broke it doesn't matter how much you take off, it will never get back to normal.


"Wow! u really talked bad about peing but u still continue to do it. If i hurt my penis so bad that it wouldnt' get 100percent erect Id be out of the program."

Again think before you talk.
As I said before, even now the penis blood circulation isn't fully researched. Back then I didn't know about venous leaks, damaged valves or leaking erectile tissue. What I did know was that Penis Enlargement can give you a bigger dick. And after I fucked up my left chamber and got a frikkin 30° deviation to the left I WAS FUCKIN DESPenis EnlargementRATE to restore what I lost. Everyone knew back than that surgery is not an option and that it will fuck up the penis or shorten it.
Penis Enlargement did help me to completely fight of the deviation, its completly straight now. And Penis Enlargement helped me to rebuild the left chamber nearly as good as it was. Along the way I gained so why should I have stopped and "ran" away ? I'm not the man who runs away. I face the problem and try to find a solution.I even invented my own unique ("fix uneven chambers technique"- wich helped a couple guys here too) If i DID ran away I'd have a 7x5 crooked unevenly shaped dick WITH medium erectile disfunction right now. What I DO have is : 8 x 5,5 perfectly shaped monster with erectile disfunction (as in not as hard as it used to be without viagra) + a cs that doesn't fill up completly.
If thedoc restores bloodflow to my cs and fixes the blood leaks wich I'm sure he can do I will be 8 x 5.8 and sure as hell will stop atleast for 6 month - 1 year to let everything heal completely. Then I'll restart with a very very light pumping routine to get to slid 8.2 nbp and 6.2 erect girth and then retire forever.

I never talked bad about Penis Enlargement I always tried to show "naive" members that it has 2 sides to it and that you ONLY HAVE ONE DICK !

If a new member joins this forum (mostly a young guy) and talks about increasing his 7.5 x 5.5 and get to 10 x 7 overnight I will warn him and guide him to the "injury section" so he gets his mind up and fuckin reads and researches a couple of month before he starts with a very light routine. or better yet firstly learns the do's and don'ts of a given excersize and sees how his body reacts to it.

In fact the injury section should be on top of this forum AND THE FIRST MUST READ FOR ANY NEW MEMBER. Just to make sure that they don't repeat other peoples mistakes.

Oh and while I'm at it. I want to share my own theory on Penis Enlargement and who should Penis Enlargement and who shouldn't . Its based on personal experience and observation.

I will talk about girth workout only because. Stretching will work for each and every type of dick if done correctly.

The problem with girth is : You need to have the type of dick that is more likely to gain girth WITHOUT loosing erection hardness (while you are at it) or get erectile disfunction later once you quit your Penis Enlargement journy.

The only dick that has the best chances to get out large AND hard is the one with the least topical visible veins / small , tiny , thin topical veins (low amount), thin deep dorsal vein.
Also good is : Thick deep dorsal vein but no visble or thick veins anywhere else.
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Wow dude relax. I didn't mean to offend u at all. When i started this program and any other program that i have looked at the main exercise was the basic wet jelg, and from what i have read it seemed to be the safest exercise out there for penis enlargement. The reason i said horses caused more pressure on the dong was because of personal experience. When i did horses i would get red dots and actually beable to feel my dick expanding, unlike when i do jelgs. Believe me i know i only have ONE DICK thats exactly why i don't wanna hurt myself, no hanging, pumping, clamping etc just because to me they seem to risky. I told u i was nervous as hell and don't ever wanna hurt myself, I dont know why u would attack me and think i was critiscizing u or calling u dumb but again i apologize. U have had a serious injury and that again sucks. Id like to know a little more about the routine you are on as it seems to me u hurt your self, and rehabed it as u have said. Well id like to skip a step which is hurting myself and move right to the point of gaining without worrying or getting a injury. If this includes quitting jelging than so be it. When u said u hurt your right chamber and got a 30 deviation what exactly did u mean it hung to the side than or u got a gap in your dick? I have noticed when flaccid my dick hangs to the right now, but when i am errect it is strait as an arrow and up could this hang be from jelging? Any recommendations, or thoughts would be highly appreciated because i only got one dick and I aint trying to lose it. Oh ya i didn't mean to come off saying you didn't know how to jelg was just stating that alout of peps do 100 percent jelgs and i don't think its the proper way to do it thats all bro.
 
Look Birdy, I'm just looking into other areas here and from actual facts.
It isnt all organic, alot is mental to.
I aint saying anyone is mental or weak etc etc but alot of erection issues come from that. Provider, I hope you dont take what I said the wrong way. I'm merely trying to explain other avenues, it isnt all doom and gloom with injurys from actual pe.
Your injury probably is a pe related one, your statement in your last post would suggest that. Do what you were going to do, if it carrys on than see the doctor...I dont think he will send you to a urologist right away. They aint always the answer, just fill your head with more questions than answers and most aint much use. Only some are like really good, so if your in a private sceem such as BUPA than go into that and see one. I hope it works well for you man, goodluck and keep us informed.
 
@Jareth

The deviation was to the left side, and it was the left chamber that broke somehow.
Best way to describe it is , compare it to a bike tire. When a bike tire is fully pumped , its perfectly round and thats exactly what a perfect chamber looks like (side).
After the first injury the left chamber looked deflated and somehow inverted insted of this being my chambers :

() this were my chambers from then on: )).

The right one was still intact and together with the CS it was the backbone of my erections. The harder the right side got the better it straightened out the left chamber. logic.

I did alot of V-Stretching to the right with the middle weakest point of the left chamber being the fulcrum point for the v-stretch.

After month this brought me back to something like this :

|)

The shortening of the left chamber was cured and they were equal sized now. At 100% erection the dick was perfectly straight now. (though the chambers weren't equal girthwize)
Because of the chamber girth difference (remember I lost lots of girth in the left chamber from the injury)

The dick would still bend to the left when semi erect and also tilt a little to the left when flaccid. To cure this condition, I did only left chamber girth workouts , like BENDS against the left side. Wich helped alot. And lastly I developed
cure uneven chambers technique


Somehwere inbetween I had the 2 injury wich fucked my 3 chamber the CS and fucked my throb and natural hardness completely. Still I didn't stop got loads of viagra and continued the girth workouts for the left chamber.

wich finally brought me back to ().

I get all crazy and sour and bitter and mad when I think about where I would be by now if my dick didn't get messed up. I think it would be atleast 8.5 x 6.5. I was and still am such a good gainer. Damn its a damn shame and bad luck :(

Lately I bought an expensive pump and did a simple short routine like every other day and started gaining again. Lenght exploded and so did girth , however only duuring workouts I could see the gains (on viagra and shit) without the pump and viagra I simply couldn't build up enough internal pressure to fill out my real girth size.

Again at the same time I researched alot and found useful information on veins, arteries , penis ligation surgery, revascularisation surgery and so on.

I decided it makes no fuckin sense to gain more and more length + girth without the ability to fill it out with nuff blood.

That is why I got through to the specialist and I PRAY TO HEAVEN AND ABOVE that its really vein leakage or some sort of fixable closeable leakage.
Incase its torn or scarred erectile muscle cell ( erectile tissue , then there is no hope of completely recovering. Then I'll just ask them to cut/remove/ligate/narrow as many veins as they can so the balance of flow is in my favour as much as possible.
Besides there is lots of risk involved with surgery and even the examination but I'm willing to take it, I know I will not live a happy life if I don't take that chance.

Oh and look Jareth. I understand your point and that you didn't want to attack me. You choice of words probably appealed bad to me and when you spoke about my injury it got to my heart really quick. I think you can understand that too.

I never looked for beef on this forum nor flame wars its all a waste of time and energy, like that retarted olympic running joke. We still retarted even if we win , right ? :)
I call it quits.
btw I do like your view on "safe dick enlarging" if you want to go for safe to the fullest , let me share another conclusion that comes from experience.

Remember I tried each and every girth/length excersize out there on myself and must admit some excersize have the potential to deliver very quick results. Like horse squeezes, or slow squash jelqs ,bends, constrictors and so on. At the same time they have a high injury potential all because the pressure isn't equally spread and the way you grip isn't constant. There is no way to measure your grip on a horse squeeze , its always a matter of "feeling it" and findin what works for you. Thats why Penis Enlargement is so individual to everybody and so are the gains and the injurys.

If you don't care about time like I don't anymore and your main focus is just gaining no matter how long it takes then I can only advise the safest method and routine , wich is pumping.

Yes horses and bends deliver results quicker. YOu probably could add 1" girth in 6 month with the right routine and no injurys.

Pumping delivers results too , only much much slower. I guess you would need 1.5-2 years of a constant pumping routine to add 1" girth. Pumping is very very safe though. Its the only excersize with most even pressure force on all parts of the dick. Its absolutely even.

ALl you need is an expensive 100$ and above pump WITH A PRESSURE GAUGE. Thats most important, it must have that gauge so you can SEE what you do to your dick and not just feel it. At that price they mostly have quality tubes too.

All you ever have to do is 10 minutes of constant pumping at 4-6 gh every other day @ 80-90% constant erection, lubed up and warmed up prior to the work out. THATS IT! with a time frame of 2 years and a constant dedication to the above mentioned routine YOU WILL GAIN lots of length and girth while keeping it safe at the same time.
With the above mentioned routine there is hardly any fluid build up involved , no excessive stress on the tissues, always enough time to heal (48hours!), yet always maximum expansion and as an added extra bonus you quickly get the pumped look = big temporary gains. These will be permanent after month and years.

Ok Thats all I got to say right now. Wish me luck.
 
I understand Tbirdy my words attacked you and i just wanted to clear things up. The advice is very intresting. I have a pump but never use it because i thought it was bad for the dick. To i guess make may situation more understanding, I say this iam not givin a shit if i get a 10 inch dick in 10 days if its unsafe. Iam not nearly as large as you about 6.5 length but iam happy because my dick works, I started at under 6 so i have gained but i wouldnt' mind being around 8 inches. I take it slow just stretches front left and right, 10 minute light wet jelg, some horrizontal movement and usually will try some horses but they don't feel right sometimes so i stop, when i used to use my cock ring with these they worked the best. The fact of the matter is Eversince i have started pe i have noticed differences to my dick, groin, balls, etc. Most good but sometimes i get that dam problem where i can't get hard, or aint really feeling horney, Now i don't know if its from pe, havin the same girlfriend, stress or lookin at too much adult entertainment. But the fact is I always think its from pe and that makes me nervous. I can get hard 100 percent strait (My flaccid hangs to the right though but i dont think its a injury) but i still every now and than have about a week or so where iam not horney, and no bonners. Iam goin through it now but I think its because I quit my job and got a new one and iam havin 2nd thoughts about it now Stress related i figure. When iam flaccid i also notice that my right chamber i guess sometimes looks like it has a indent on it, but when iam hard its even so i think its ok. Iam gonna look at your chamber restore, When u get some more time fill me in on different shit and Advice. THANKS MAN
 
WOW!

This thread really freaked me out.. I haven't really been doing too much girthwork during my Penis Enlargement career, just now and again because of all the fuss about it. But this week i decided to start proper, because a lot of people said i would loose girth when streching. I've done 3 so far this week, but after reading this I wonder if I should quit and just focus on stretching?

I also notice that i fall under the "veiny" penis category, and have been noticing lately the vein getting a little thicker.. If it were up to me i would quit the girthwork all together, seeing as i was happy with my starting girth, but that's where I don't know what to do.

I know people say that you loose girth by just soing streching, but does that apply to your starting girth aswell? Cause i've gained quite a bit in length, doing minimal girthwork, and the measuringtape still says 16cm (6,3").

Anyone have any opinons on how doing just streching will affect my starting girth? I kinda wanna quit jelqing while my dick still works fine...
 
There's alout of big dicks that are veiny as hell. If u gained almost an inch and a half and havent lost any girth just stayed the same it makes sense to me your actually gaining girth as well. If u stopped stretching and just stuck to girth bet u would gain. THe whole veiny dick thing is confusing to me I like veins and when they get bigger and pumped it means better blood flow. Besides they work as a sex stimulant to woman.
 
Now if the veins aren't topical....they are still there underneath the skin...and they should still be enlarging...correct?

Or am I wrong?

If anyone could shed further light on this, it would be greatly appreciated.
 
Cockolution said:
Now if the veins aren't topical....they are still there underneath the skin...and they should still be enlarging...correct?

Or am I wrong?

If anyone could shed further light on this, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Yes they are enlarging. All internal structures are effected by Penis Enlargement is different ways. When you are stretching veins, arteries and capillaries are elongating but during girth work, where maximum expansion is achieved, these same structures are becoming thicker.
 
doublelongdaddy said:
Yes they are enlarging. All internal structures are effected by Penis Enlargement is different ways. When you are stretching veins, arteries and capillaries are elongating but during girth work, where maximum expansion is achieved, these same structures are becoming thicker.
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So is it good to get bigger veins and show more of them or is it bad, b/c i like the veins i get from peing cant see it bein bad??? don't know though
 
My erections still haven't come back properly. I think it is definately damaged. I have made a doctors appointment and I see him on Friday. Wish me luck!
 
Goodluck mate, I hope it goes alright.
Dont tell him you done Penis Enlargement, just say you have rough sex etc.
I think it might heal by itself with time, dont think its permanent...dont worry man.
 
So...I saw the doctor earlier this afternoon and he looked at it and he couldn't really do much about it so he's referring me to a urologist at the hospital so I'll have to wait to hear about an appointment. I hope I get it soon cause this is really starting to piss me off now.
 
Provider said:
So...I saw the doctor earlier this afternoon and he looked at it and he couldn't really do much about it so he's referring me to a urologist at the hospital so I'll have to wait to hear about an appointment. I hope I get it soon cause this is really starting to piss me off now.
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So what did u tell the doctor? Did u tell him it was from peing, if not you should ask the urologist and tell him honestly how you hurt it and let us know his thoughts on pe and the injury
 
LOL, nah I couldn't say it to the doctor man, would just sound too weird. I just kinda played it dumb. I'll think about telling the urologist, depends on the mood and the moment.
 
Provider said:
LOL, nah I couldn't say it to the doctor man, would just sound too weird. I just kinda played it dumb. I'll think about telling the urologist, depends on the mood and the moment.
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yep don't think many people have the balls to ask i don't really either but one time i did ask the doc what he thought and he didnt even understand what i was talkin bout not much help.
 
Hi Provider, how are things? Have your erections improved, did the doctor prescribe you something? I'm really interested in this because my erections aren't as good as they used to be as well.

I've been taking a Penis Enlargement break since 18th april and things havent improved much yet. I'm really concerned now and skeptical about the whole Penis Enlargement thing (fucking up veins and stuff).
 
Hey irv!
Well the doctor said he'd be refering me to a urologist at the hospital but I haven't heard anything from anyone about it yet which is annoying. Wish they would hurry up!

My erections are still pretty damn shit and thats been over 2 months now! Reading tbirdy's stuff has got me worried. I hope to god it's nothing like that.
 
Over 2 months already ... that's not looking all too good. I agree, tbirdy's posts were quite disturbing and this vein enlarging thing sounds very plausible to me. Keep us updated and good luck!
 
I got a letter today from the hospital and I have an appointment with the urologist but guess when it is!!! 2nd of August!

So looks like I'm going to have to wait another 3 months before I even get seen. I think I'll phone the appointment line and see if I can get the date brought forward because that is a hell of a time to wait with my dick like this.
 
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Over 2 months already ... that's not looking all too good. I agree, tbirdy's posts were quite disturbing and this vein enlarging thing sounds very plausible to me. Keep us updated and good luck!
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I read alout of that also and didn't understand a dam thing. I asked him a question about the whole chamber fixing thing and he gave me his thread, i read it and asked him a question again and he never got back to me. I noticed in his thread he said something like he had been exercising for like three months and the night he hurt himself he was doing a total of one hour 100 percent erect jelging, from how i understand it pe should be done a max of 35-40 minutes including stretching, jelging etc thats alout of jelging an hour so maybe thats why he hurt himself. Ive never even jelged at 100 percent for me my dick is too hard and i can't move the blood but i bet it creates alout of pressure on the dick if done that way probly not the best way to jelg. Anyways I dont know much about veins and all that stuff he was talkin bout but i thought increase in veins was a good thing, when u build muscle veins increase maybe its bad on the dick i don't know. Hope he checks in again to give us laymans terms on the whole vein thing.
 
I phoned the hospital to try and get seen sooner. They said they can't move me forward and thats how long the waiting list is. I'm pretty pissed off
 
Wow man, i'm very sorry to hear that... Just within the last 2 1/2 months or so I have had trouble with my erection I guess, sometimes it would just not get hard right when I needed it to. Now that I have been doing Penis Enlargement for the last 3 weeks very religiously, it feels like they have been getting very stronger. I guess its because of all the stress i've been having lately though. I'm on probation, I HAVE to find a new job or I go back to jail, I have a $26,000 fine to pay, my gf has really been stressin me out with all our fighting and problems lately, my brother keeps going to the hospital for overdosing on drugs, my mom and her bf are constantly yelling and fighting, all this and im only 20.... I think it was probablly just really bad stress and I drank quite a bit.

I really dont know exactly what the more advanced Penis Enlargement stuff is that you guys have been talking about, all I do is streches, wet / dry jelqs, this little thing I got off thunders called sadsac slinky thats suppossed to do great on your girth, kegels, and I use an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] for around 6-8 hours a day. Now that I have read this I dont think i'm going to get into anything else other then what its gonna take to get more length. i'm already 5.5 in girth and all I want is an 8x6 anyways, so hopefully I dont have to get into the shit you guys are doing, it doesnt sound worth it, having to take viagra and not getting good erections the rest of my life.

Really though, that sucks man, I feel for ya. For the past 3 weeks though I have been getting really great erections so i'm happy, but good luck to you man, and if anything you should just call other places or I think they have places where you can just go in and see someone about it. You should look around, cuz august is way too damn far away. Theres all your summer sex bye bye. Sorry to hear that man. <:(
 
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Wow man, i'm very sorry to hear that... Just within the last 2 1/2 months or so I have had trouble with my erection I guess, sometimes it would just not get hard right when I needed it to. Now that I have been doing Penis Enlargement for the last 3 weeks very religiously, it feels like they have been getting very stronger. I guess its because of all the stress i've been having lately though. I'm on probation, I HAVE to find a new job or I go back to jail, I have a $26,000 fine to pay, my gf has really been stressin me out with all our fighting and problems lately, my brother keeps going to the hospital for overdosing on drugs, my mom and her bf are constantly yelling and fighting, all this and im only 20.... I think it was probablly just really bad stress and I drank quite a bit.

I really dont know exactly what the more advanced Penis Enlargement stuff is that you guys have been talking about, all I do is streches, wet / dry jelqs, this little thing I got off thunders called sadsac slinky thats suppossed to do great on your girth, kegels, and I use an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] for around 6-8 hours a day. Now that I have read this I dont think i'm going to get into anything else other then what its gonna take to get more length. i'm already 5.5 in girth and all I want is an 8x6 anyways, so hopefully I dont have to get into the shit you guys are doing, it doesnt sound worth it, having to take viagra and not getting good erections the rest of my life.

Really though, that sucks man, I feel for ya. For the past 3 weeks though I have been getting really great erections so i'm happy, but good luck to you man, and if anything you should just call other places or I think they have places where you can just go in and see someone about it. You should look around, cuz august is way too damn far away. Theres all your summer sex bye bye. Sorry to hear that man. <:(
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iam sure you have had erection problems from the stress and drinkin. When i was finishin school i had plenty of stress and couldn't get a bonner. I drink alout still and smoke chronic and if i quite those my gains and bonners would be way up, different drugs will effect your erections especially stimulants like cocaine. Keep doin what your doin all i do is stretch jelg and little girth exercises and kegels and ive made decent gains, what exercise did u get from thunders how do u do it?? Sory to hear bout your family man.
 
I've been reading a lot of Tbirdy's stuff, and I'm kicking some ideas and theories around in my head.

First of all, in some of the sights I've read, including this one, references to other parts of the body that can be manually enlarged through consistent stretching are sometimes made. DLD references ear lobes, another site references women from south-east asia (I think) who stack rings on their neck and lengthen their necks to outrageous proportions. I take immediate logical issue with both of these.

The earlobe example is a poor analogy because of the nature of earlobed tissue compared to the tissue in the penis. I only know some of the details of both, but the function and complexity of the earlobe is nowhere near the function and complexity of the penis. The earlobes are soft tissue that don't naturally dilate via a complex process. The penis, of course, has a wide variety of tissues and structures. Also, more simply speaking, just because one part of the body can be enlarged (but who wants to have massive, hanging earlobes?) doesn't mean all parts can be.

The myanmar women who lengthen their neck with rings is a horrible analogy because the rings cause extensive muscular and skeletal deformities. I'll post directly from a website:

A Padaung woman from Loikaw, eastern Myanmar (formerly Burma). The Padaung people number only about 7,000 but have become widely known for their custom of neck-stretching. The neck rings confer status and respect on the wearer’s family, and must be worn for life. Their removal as a punisHydromaxent for adultery is particularly cruel, as the skeletal and muscular deformities that have resulted from years of wearing them mean that the woman has to spend the rest of her life lying down, or try to find some other support for her neck.

I doubt many people are interested in lengthening their penis to the point of causing massive deformities, so this analogy is also poor.

I'm thinking now that the same alterations to tissues that can increase penis size are the same that can cause erectile dysfunction or deformities. None of us really know how the tissues in our penises respond to jelquing or stretching. Instead of rebuilding after being damaged, perhaps the tissues are replaced with scar tissue that doesn't function like undamaged tissue does. I think penis enlargement is extremely risky and perhaps outright destructive.
 
orbital,

I have been on three different Penis Enlargement boards for over seven years. I have read the Penis Enlargement experiences of thousands of guys. The vast majority are successful, with better erection quality after Penis Enlargement. There are very few cases of poor erection quality after Penis Enlargement.

In those few cases, it seems the causes of the problems are found in three areas. Either the guys were using ill designed equipment which was directly responsible for their problems. Or they did not educate themselves, and used techniques which were ill advised, or that they were not conditioned for. Or they used amounts of stress which were greater than simple tissue deformation, and lead to injury. But once again, these cases are few and far between.

For example, many guys have tried loop type hangers, placing pressure on the nerve bundles behind the top of the head. They loose erection quality. This has been documented many times. However, many guys still try loop type hangers from time to time.

Having said all of that, Penis Enlargement is a risk, and everyone should know the risks before they start. If they wish to encounter the risks, they should learn as much as possible to decrease the risk of injury.

Bigger
 
Forgot to say: The use of stresses upon tissues to be enlarged or grown is well known, and the evidence great. Further, injury (tearing) produces scar tissue. In Penis Enlargement, the goal is controlled damage, not tearing.

Bigger
 
Well, I'm glad most people are succeeding with their routines. Maybe my problem can be fixed after all!

Bib, recognize your name. I definitely respect your years of experience and familiarity with the subject. I'm pessimistic right now. I have an appointment with a (good, hopefully) urologist on the 13th. Maybe its just some veinous leakage. Wish me luck!
 
I can't believe I never wrote anything in this thread before now. Here goes...

tbirdy said:
The only dick that has the best chances to get out large AND hard is the one with the least topical visible veins / small , tiny , thin topical veins (low amount), thin deep dorsal vein.
Also good is : Thick deep dorsal vein but no visble or thick veins anywhere else.
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tbirdy, I think you're getting mixed up between the definitions of "veins" and "arteries". Veins carry blood away from appendages and to the heart. Arteries carry blood to appendages and from the heart. Both are equally important in creating and sustaining healthy erections.

tbirdy said:
WHy `? Simple, because of the fact that veins mean blood outflow and the more veins you have and the larger they are the more and quicker the bloodoutflow.
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Okay, but what if the penile arteries are larger than the corresponding veins?

tbirdy said:
My observation that got me thinking about this was that out of all adult entertainment vids or pictures I've seen (plenty of em) the guys with the least veins have the hardest looking erections, shiniest heads, roundest chambers, most pronounced CS chambers, and best erection angles.
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Well, I've also seen a lot of adult entertainment and I completely disagree. There are tons of guys out there with veiny cocks who can get diamond-cutting hard. I've seen more black cocks than white cocks with all those veins, but they all seem to be able to get very hard. Plus, all of our observations are probably being severely distorted by all that Viagra everyone takes.

tbirdy said:
So what has that to do with Penis Enlargement ?
Again , simple. Penis Enlargement and some excersizes (like the jelq, or constrictors, fuck it basically every girth excersize) will increase the size of the veins , and sometimes even make veins pop out where you couldn't see any before. (thas not because Penis Enlargement grows new ones , its because small , tiny veins become permanently enlarged, or defect .)
This is permanent after a given time !!!
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So what? A healthy erection benefits from larger veins because they can more efficiently cycle out "old" blood- the blood that's been depleted of oxygen and nutrients. The arteries will then bring in new blood. Circulation is the name of the game, after all.

tbirdy said:
Now I theorize that If you are lucky you ALSO increase the amount of blood that can pass through your arteries by enlarging the arteries through Penis Enlargement,thus keep a balanced inflow-outflow-ratio=hard dick. (The arteries are deep within the chambers and only 2 are on top, tiny ones though)
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I'm sorry, but you're way off on this one. Then again, it's not your fault, since almost all medical diagrams of the penis circulatory system make the veins much larger than the arteries. But I assume that you're talking about the two dorsal arteries when you say "The arteries are deep within the chambers and only 2 are on top, tiny ones though". Well, my two dorsal arteries are the largest vessels in my cock. Both are more than a quarter-inch thick. My erections have gotten harder and harder as my circulatory system has been built up through years of inconsistent Penis Enlargement. The hardness and engorgement right now beats anything I could manage during the peak of my teens. Kinda turns your entire argument upside down and inside out, eh? ;)

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What I fear and what I observed is : The enlarging of these very arteries is NOT permanent. So once you are of Penis Enlargement , they return to normal size BUT you have fucked up, larger than life veins now and a newly found erectile disfunction wich hinders you from showing off your gains because your dick won't fill up completely. viagra for life !
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If this is true, then how come my two dorsal arteries have never decreased in size over the years, despite my sometimes avoiding Penis Enlargement completely for months at a time? And I guess I have to wait until I've reached the "Viagra for Life" stage, since I've yet to even try the drug.

tbirdy said:
For me this totally explains why some guys come here with low erection quality and once they get on a good routine they get much harder erections (better arteries). As long as they stay with Penis Enlargement they will continue to grow and keep the hardness (atleast for some time). Their best hardness days are "girth workout days" and off days. However once they quit they get floppy dicks again---> so hooked for life on Penis Enlargement, because Penis Enlargement didn't really FIX their obviously organic issue (inflow outflow) - it just masked them temporary
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Just remember that your entire argument is based on suppositions, hypothesis and speculation, backed by anecdotal evidence. My arguments are backed by my own experience, along with the experience of thousands of others on this board who've gone through successful Penis Enlargement, without the loss of erectile hardness.

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Ok enough bad case scenarios.

If you have no topical, visible veins , and don't develope these at your routine I think you have the best chances to get really thick AND remain hard forever without viagra.

Examples that come to mind are "the ugly ramon bang bus dude" if its not some secret brazilian surgery then it must be mother nature.
His dick ALWAYS looks mighty hard it fills up from top to bottom , has huge round chambers. He has like ONLY one really visble vein on top of his dick (probably the dorsal one) however no veins at all at the sides or bottom of his dick. (some really tiny brunched ones show up when he tries to squeeze his thick stick into tiny asses- but thats about it)
Naturally I believe he is exactly 8-8,5 x 6" and the amazing thing is the girth is like that from base to top pretty evenly.
He has a very tiny had , wich only adds to the illusion of him being longer than he really is (other people guess him at 9"-9,5 wich is bullshit) In fact he DOES have more dick than others shaft wise. YOu can compare another 8x6 dick with him with less width/more depth and a bigger (longer head) and ramon will look alot larger because he has more shaft.
Pumped , I put him @ 8.5 x 6.2-6.4. And he sure as hells pumps alot and often. Good thing is he still looks hard with his pumped dick because he has so few veins that the blood in flow is always enough to create enough pressure for a hard dick.

Another example is a dude (don't know his name ) from "all internal" he got huge girth and that 2 dicks weilded together look. Looks MONSTER and very very hard, very pronounced CS and no veins at all. Go figure.
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Take a look at Mark Ashley, Brandon Iron, Nacho, Phil Gash, Brian Pumper and Mandingo sometime. All have big veins/arteries and all seem to be able to get spectacularly hard. Go figure.

tbirdy said:
Ok last but not least. So you all don't attack me:

I'm not saying that you should stop Penis Enlargement-girth if you happen to have alot of veins or that you shouldn't start with it in the first place.
I'm also very aware of the possible existence of they guy who has lots of big bulging veins and SO GOOD arterie inflow (due to big arteries or very very good circulation, or blood pressure or whatever) that he will keep his hardness no matter the amount of new veins he developes or destroys. I guess that rare though and You can't count on it.

Just keep that stuff in mind and keep a close look on your dick hardness.
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After all good Penis Enlargement sessions, I lose a lot of hardness and that's to be expected. This is because the circulatory system and erectile tissue have been under a great amount of stress. A rest is needed. After a few hours- or days- if I really overdid it, I'm back to 110% hardness again.

tbirdy said:
I myself started with one single visible vein on top and not a single visble vein anywhere else, made huge fast girth gains and developed more and more veins along the journey. No I have veins that are big and don't go away no matter how much I take off, my best hardness days are when I do girthwork , wait 1 or 2 days and do it again and when I take viagra :(. The worst days are when I do alot of girthwork then pause...its really horrible once the good off days phase is gone ..then it slowly returns to a state where I have hard erections for sex as long as most of my body is higher than my dick (doggystyle, missionary) and its really shitty medium hard or less @ woman on top positions (wich is the main reason why my girl is never on top)
No spontanious erections, rare morning wood (mostly only when I took viagra the day before), dick needs constant stimulation to remain really hard , I have huge strength in my pc muscles because I'm like aways on the edge of cumming and holding off at the same time ( to remain very hard) I can brake off every orgasm and ejacualtion.
But that shit just upsets me.
I actually don't want to use my pc muscles at all duuring sex. And I want to do woman on top , and hell I want my throb back. Wish me luck yall in 4 days I'll get a needle in my dick with prostaglandine and a full duplex scan :( hopefully they can come up with a good solution !!!! I pray they do.
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Okay, I understand where you're coming from, but why jump to the conclusion that bigger veins are the cause of your problems? Have you been to a urologist? If so, what did they have to say about it? Something else may very well be responsible for your difficulties.

Look, your argument is similar to the "argument" that weight training is very dangerous because, at times, the tissue surrounding the muscles being trained- ligaments, tendons, connective tissue, etc.- won't match the muscle growth. The result is torn ligaments, tendons, or whatever. Therefore, weight training BAD!!! And you know what, this is even partially true. The odd person will have uneven growth in their muscles, compared to the supporting tissue and the result is an extremely painful injury. But does this deter anyone from weight training? Obviously not! Penis Enlargement is no different.

Please see my article on veins and bloodflow for more information on how all this stuff comes together.
 
Ridiculous fearmongering! I'm sorry, but it's shit like this which ends up getting the government to ban things unnecessarily. Everything I've seen from Penis Enlargement detractors so far has been based on groundless speculation. Everyone, please make your decisions on facts and trial, rather than on fear, uncertainty and doubt.
orbital said:
I've been reading a lot of Tbirdy's stuff, and I'm kicking some ideas and theories around in my head.

First of all, in some of the sights I've read, including this one, references to other parts of the body that can be manually enlarged through consistent stretching are sometimes made. DLD references ear lobes, another site references women from south-east asia (I think) who stack rings on their neck and lengthen their necks to outrageous proportions. I take immediate logical issue with both of these.

The earlobe example is a poor analogy because of the nature of earlobed tissue compared to the tissue in the penis. I only know some of the details of both, but the function and complexity of the earlobe is nowhere near the function and complexity of the penis. The earlobes are soft tissue that don't naturally dilate via a complex process. The penis, of course, has a wide variety of tissues and structures. Also, more simply speaking, just because one part of the body can be enlarged (but who wants to have massive, hanging earlobes?) doesn't mean all parts can be.

The myanmar women who lengthen their neck with rings is a horrible analogy because the rings cause extensive muscular and skeletal deformities. I'll post directly from a website:

A Padaung woman from Loikaw, eastern Myanmar (formerly Burma). The Padaung people number only about 7,000 but have become widely known for their custom of neck-stretching. The neck rings confer status and respect on the wearer’s family, and must be worn for life. Their removal as a punisHydromaxent for adultery is particularly cruel, as the skeletal and muscular deformities that have resulted from years of wearing them mean that the woman has to spend the rest of her life lying down, or try to find some other support for her neck.

I doubt many people are interested in lengthening their penis to the point of causing massive deformities, so this analogy is also poor.

I'm thinking now that the same alterations to tissues that can increase penis size are the same that can cause erectile dysfunction or deformities. None of us really know how the tissues in our penises respond to jelquing or stretching. Instead of rebuilding after being damaged, perhaps the tissues are replaced with scar tissue that doesn't function like undamaged tissue does. I think penis enlargement is extremely risky and perhaps outright destructive.
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You're right, I am afraid. My dick doesn't work very well anymore, maybe 60-70% of its original capacity to get hard. Mine and Tbirdy's posts are our perspectives. They are part of the total Penis Enlargement experience, and so researchers deserve to know. I understand that people who are happy with their Penis Enlargement program would disagree with some of my and Tbird's assesments, and thats fine. Fearmongering? Thats a little hyperbolic, isn't it?
 
"tbirdy, I think you're getting mixed up between the definitions of "veins" and "arteries". Veins carry blood away from appendages and to the heart. Arteries carry blood to appendages and from the heart. Both are equally important in creating and sustaining healthy erections."

-You are thinking wrong, I was well aware of the difference between veins and arteries when I wrote that.

"Okay, but what if the penile arteries are larger than the corresponding veins? "

-Well, what if not ??? Can you look inside your dick ? You have 4 main arteries..thats about it. The veins greatly outnumber the arteries..the sizes of the arteries increases and allows for more blood-in-flow when the smooth muscle cells circularily surrounding the arteries begin to relax.

-Well, I've also seen a lot of adult entertainment and I completely disagree. There are tons of guys out there with veiny cocks who can get diamond-cutting hard. I've seen more black cocks than white cocks with all those veins, but they all seem to be able to get very hard. Plus, all of our observations are probably being severely distorted by all that Viagra everyone takes.

-I never said that a very veiny dick can't be a very hard dick. It can, as long as the corpus cavernosum and spongiousum expand to their max and thus shut down all the veins more or less completely. If this is not the case, due to bad compliance within the chambers. Bad collagen ratio through fibrosis or a venous leak ..even if its very very little fibrosis..with alot of veins you are pretty much fucked for life...

"So what? A healthy erection benefits from larger veins because they can more efficiently cycle out "old" blood- the blood that's been depleted of oxygen and nutrients. The arteries will then bring in new blood. Circulation is the name of the game, after all."

-Erection hardness is not about nutrients my friend. If you have more blood flowing out than in you will have slow, weak, soft erections. its that simple. Circulation is not the name of the game. In fact at full erection there is almost no blood going out of the cavernous bodys. Thats why you get throbbing erections and can remain hard, after you got hard, even without any kind of stimulation...its common sense really , that you definetly need some circulation going on , or else your dick would turn blue and cold...the ratio is important though.

"I'm sorry, but you're way off on this one. Then again, it's not your fault, since almost all medical diagrams of the penis circulatory system make the veins much larger than the arteries. But I assume that you're talking about the two dorsal arteries when you say "The arteries are deep within the chambers and only 2 are on top, tiny ones though". Well, my two dorsal arteries are the largest vessels in my cock. Both are more than a quarter-inch thick. My erections have gotten harder and harder as my circulatory system has been built up through years of inconsistent Penis Enlargement. The hardness and engorgement right now beats anything I could manage during the peak of my teens. Kinda turns your entire argument upside down and inside out, eh?"

-I'm sorry too. But I'm not way off. I have yet to see pictures of your dick and the oh so prominent arteries you speak about. Infact Show me any picture from the internet where you can clearly see the dorsal arteries. I can't see mine. And I didn't see any on other guys dicks before...I sure as hell enlarged my veins to stupid sizes..at the same time I don't think I enlarged my arteries at all....

"If this is true, then how come my two dorsal arteries have never decreased in size over the years, despite my sometimes avoiding Penis Enlargement completely for months at a time? And I guess I have to wait until I've reached the "Viagra for Life" stage, since I've yet to even try the drug."

Yes Great. Fucking great. I want to puke. Its always superb and uplifting to see someone hijack a thread, where people suffering from ED try to help each other, just to fucking brag about how lucky he is to have SUCH a good erection and how he is NOT dependent on viagra (like I and many others here). I hope you enjoyed yourself when you wrote this half-witted shit, you lucky lucky individual with the never-decreasing arteries....yuk !

"Just remember that your entire argument is based on suppositions, hypothesis and speculation, backed by anecdotal evidence. My arguments are backed by my own experience, along with the experience of thousands of others on this board who've gone through successful Penis Enlargement, without the loss of erectile hardness."

-I remember that you don't have any case of ED, never had one, you don't have any experience in that field. In fact, my arguements are REALLY backed by my own experience, because I used to have erection like you have now, 2 years ago. Besides that I have scientific articles, specialists from universitys and also members from this board who DON'T fool themselves, and also those who suffer from Penis Enlargement related injuries or ED. In other words..feel free to shut the fuck up , unless you can contribute something that is a solution to my problem or the problem of other guys here.


"Take a look at Mark Ashley, Brandon Iron, Nacho, Phil Gash, Brian Pumper and Mandingo sometime. All have big veins/arteries and all seem to be able to get spectacularly hard. Go figure."

-Yup go figure. I figured it out. Thx to another guy from this board. The secret of all these ramons,mandingos, nachos, and so on is exactly this :
Alo-Derm Phalloplasty +

"Okay, I understand where you're coming from, but why jump to the conclusion that bigger veins are the cause of your problems? Have you been to a urologist? If so, what did they have to say about it? Something else may very well be responsible for your difficulties."

-At the time when I wrote this, I visited several urologists wich, like you , did not have the slightest idea what they were talking about (just take these blue pills and u will be alrigh , or as long as it doesn't fall of its ok)
wich led me to even more research and finally I went to specialists at universitys , who confirmed what I researched myself and admitted that most urologists have no real clue when it comes to ED. They mostly deal with bladder infections and prescribe viagra.thats it.

"Okay, I understand where you're coming from, but why jump to the conclusion that bigger veins are the cause of your problems? Have you been to a urologist? If so, what did they have to say about it? Something else may very well be responsible for your difficulties."
"Look, your argument is similar to the "argument" that weight training is very dangerous because, at times, the tissue surrounding the muscles being trained- ligaments, tendons, connective tissue, etc.- won't match the muscle growth. The result is torn ligaments, tendons, or whatever. Therefore, weight training BAD!!! And you know what, this is even partially true. The odd person will have uneven growth in their muscles, compared to the supporting tissue and the result is an extremely painful injury. But does this deter anyone from weight training? Obviously not! Penis Enlargement is no different."

"but why jump to the conclusion that bigger veins are the cause of your problems?"

-Why ? BECAUSE THEY ARE ! And besides that At that time I decided to systematically search for the reason behind the ED. The veins were a symptom AND just maybe the only cause. In fact, it could be the veins it could be also the tissue of the cavernous bodys surrounding these veins, that malfunctions and doesn't squeeze of these veins upon erection. Understand ? It could have also been the arteries, the nerves, the hormones, food, diabetis , multiple sklerosis, cancer, psychological problems...I systematically visited specialists to adress and exclude each of those possible causes for the ED. What did you do to build your opinion ? Read the hype of the dumb masses on alot of these boards that lie to themselves and lie to you ? Did you investigate their dicks ? NO ? Well I talked to people who DID investigate thousands of dicks with full duplex sonographie, cavernosographie , and angiology.

"Please see my article on veins and bloodflow for more information on how all this stuff comes together."

I read it and I'm sorry to inform you and others that its complete NONSENSE. Its just self glorifying NONSENSE.

Especially your conclusion :

"Put another way, someone with an average-sized penis wanting to grow it to the aforementioned "big" proportions of 7.5" long by 6" around, would have to nearly double their bloodflow. Personally, I have increased my own volume by nearly 60% and have less than 50% to go in order to reach my goal of 30 cubic inches. I understand that bigger veins come with a bigger dick and hopefully readers of this article will come away with the same conclusions. Good luck with your enlargement."

What you really did is : You increased the size of the spongy cells and their capaity to expand and hold blood. You have the same bloodinflow (at the most there is a minimal increase)
The only thing that increases bloodflow to the genitals is upper leg work , like jogging , especially skipping, squats and so on...And only if you follow a special workout routine when doing the mentioned excersizes. That and viagra ! Thats it ! Its like that because the arterie that supplies the penis branches of the BIG arteries that supplie the legs.

Get in your head , that an increase in volume always equals an increase of the cells within the chamber and their capcity to hold blood. It remains the same blood flow AND to show of the NEW GAINS you gotta be lucky and KEEP a healthy and functioning and expanding spongy tissue..because only when it squeezes of the veins you will have a hard erection, no matter the volume of your penis.
Arteries don't play such a big role as you may believe. I was told by specialists who talked about other patients and different case scenarios , that even if you had only one single arterie, it would be enough to fill the penis and remain erect as long as everything else functions normal.
You should investigate revacularisation surgery and the rare success of such a procedere...they take arteries and hook them to veins, thus turn the vein into a sort of an arterie. Doesn't have any success if you have venous leaks or a injured spongy tissue, degenrated muscle cells. Understand ?

I understand you are a Penis Enlargement believer and you probably DO have the crazy hard penis you talk about , but u have absolutely no idea what you were alking about when you wrote your last post. Please contribute somewhere else and only add your 0.2 cents here if you have a solution or useful piece of information.
 
Man. oh man. Dude as a former lurker I know you from day one ! ok. Bib. Look !

You have my respect in the field of creating hanging equipment and doing buisness with it by selling it to all the masses. its good profit eh ?
But you have absolutely no credibility when you talk about
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I have been on three different Penis Enlargement boards for over seven years. I have read the Penis Enlargement experiences of thousands of guys. The vast majority are successful, with better erection quality after Penis Enlargement. There are very few cases of poor erection quality after Penis Enlargement."

Truth is, you have financial interests and sure as hell you will always support Penis Enlargement to protect your interests. You also admitted that a small tiny itty bitty fraction of the Penis Enlargement world ends up injured. Because ? AAAh because they used loop devices and didn#t buy your hangers. Talk about advertizing. TRUTH is , there are hundrets and thousands of guys like me. Guys who had bad luck and NOT due to bad equipment or too much stress or wrong techniques. NO. I'm sure everyone followed common sense and did the Penis Enlargement the same way the others did. As you DO know Penis Enlargement is always risky gambling and u don't know if your dick is made for it or not. You know it was not made for pe when its too late. And you know it was made for it ONLY when you stop Penis Enlargement, keep your gains and DON'T develope ED a year or 2 later.

With How many documented cases of people, who did pe gained something worth mentioning (=above 0.,5") and kept a healthy erection years after Penis Enlargement can you come up with... post the links here.
I wonder if you can come up with the thousands you mentioned in your post. I highly doubt that.

Ok I think we can stop here.

I understand that your hanger will not cure my dick.

I understand that whenever you read how someone says something against Penis Enlargement you feel attacked and protect your financial interests.

Please understand that this is the "injury" section of the forum and how to recover from impotence. I think I know alot more in this field than you do. Just like I would never argue with you about bib hangers.
So don't see this as an attack ! I also wrote good things about Penis Enlargement. All I'm doing is cutting through the lies and the fog and researching for myself and others WHAT REALLY is going on inside the penis. Its still a long hard way to go...
truth is Penis Enlargement is potentialy ALOT more dangerous than naive people are made to belive it is. You can be following the beginner routine of the biggest pe guru and do everything 1000% correct and still end up with injury and ED.
 
"Just remember that your entire argument is based on suppositions, hypothesis and speculation, backed by anecdotal evidence. My arguments are backed by my own experience, along with the experience of thousands of others on this board who've gone through successful Penis Enlargement, without the loss of erectile hardness."

I think this statement is shoddy. Your arguments are also anecdotal, as written by you. "...backed by my own experience." Your own experience is necessarily anecdotal. Thats the definition of the word.

Anyways, I'm glad you have benefited and have no problems. Some people do, and everyone acknowledges that there is some danger to Penis Enlargement.

Baraka, how long have you been Penis Enlargementing, and what does your routine look like? I'm still trying to figure out what I did wrong.
 
Man Im bout to stop Penis Enlargementing. I had been thinking about it for some time. If it is worth my erections. I havnt been gaining for shit lately, and I am just wondering if its really worth me walking around half the time with limp dick. When I do get rock hard, my CS and head don't fill up so my dick looks flat and shorter than it could be. I havnt had actuall morning wood in forever, and usually when i get random erections, its just like 50-75% full. I really hope i didnt perma fuck my penis.
 
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