The Truth About Dick Size

[irspow]

Damn! Haha, I didn't know that I was turning in a paper in college...but you are all big boys. Take what I have said, and believe it or not. All of the information is out there in the world's Urological community. But if you don't know where to start, use these names and dates, to find the relevant studies. (Would have kept a bibliography if I thought that this was gonna' turn out to be a term paper )

Here are a few names of the authors and dates as these were the quickest for me to track back down at the moment.

Ponchietti, 2001
Awwad, 2005
Loeb, 1889
De Ros, 1994
Schneider, 2001
Bogaert, 1999
Shonfeld and Bebe, 1942

Note: I threw out the obvious and popular Kinsey, 1948 as absolute trash, because his "data" was reported by men and not medically verified or measured by doctors. Like most "studies" that are mentioned nowadays, like the "LifeStyles" type of garbage, that are either self-reported or clearly take a very skewed sample of men.

The names and dates above should get you to the "confirmation" that you seem to want, it's not like this stuff isn't out there for anyone to find, if you look. If you cannot find the actual studies, you should certainly be able to get a hold of the abstracts.

Tom


However, if you read their papers, you will see that my numbers are spot on, and that the numbers haven't changed over time in any significant manner.

Oh, as to the math that I used, well nothing fancy, I just took the "average" findings of each report, multiplied it my the sample size, (for proper weighting later on), to create a "sum" for that particular study. Did the same thing for each that I found, made a sum of sums, and then divided this by the total sample size of all the studies combined to arrive at the "average".

 

[REDZULU2003]

It's not I dont believe you, its just sometimes folk like to see these original studies. I personally dont care that much but others do.

 

[irspow]

Red,

No problem man, I wasn't offended, (well maybe a little ), but I forget that people around here don't know me personally. It is just my nature, that when an idea is presented to me or I simply get curious about something, I scrounge around to find out as much as I can from as many sources as I can to make sure, verify, or debunk, said idea. My natural curiosity has led me to learn many things that others don't seem to because they simply accept the "common" viewpoint or suggestion because it "appeals" to them somehow to be "common" themselves. I more or less don't believe in anything at all, unless I come up with my own reasons for doing so. (And then I still know it is a lie that I am choosing to believe) Oh, now that is a different thread which should be in the mental pe section, lol.

I am now more curious as to the seemingly "yeah right" attitude in general because my math doesn't add up to popular perception. That is far more interesting than average penis size to me. LOL

Tom

P.S. I see that I left out Wessells, 1996 (The Journal of Urology, Volume 156, Issue 3) from the author and date list above. One of several that I forgot to put up there. But the Wessells one was a really good study used by urologists to identify and "guide" them as to who is and who is not a potential candidate for penile surgery. (That study was specifically done to see what average was and to use that as guidance to urologists in the field to know what average really was.) Anyway...it's all out there, and please people, if you are like me and want to verify or contradict my findings, leave the garbage "condom" "studies" of drunk exhibitionists and Kinsey "tell me" "studies" in the garbage can where they belong.

 

[IchBinDerKaiser]

Interesting.

So it seems that only 2 in 5 guys have a longer penis than me, but only 1 in 1000 have a bigger girth.

 

[dculo]

Penis size has long been considered a gauge of virility, and having a larger than average penis is a valuable commodity among males. Whether this assumption has real physiological merit or is only a myth, a man's perception of his own penis size can make him feel confident, secure, even arrogant-- or, negatively, insecure, shy... even suicidal, in the most extreme cases.

The chart below is our current best data concerning penis size. The measurements were taken from the top center of the penis and are NON-BONEPRESSED. This data comes from a variety of internet sources and scientific publications, but mostly from the Lifestyles Condom Company survey and the survey conducted by The-penis.com during May / June 2003, which involved over 1500 men.

The Lifestyles company conducted research into the average length and circumference of the erect male member during Spring Break 2001 in Cancun. From March 11 to 17, a total 300 males over the age of 18 were measured, one at a time, by qualified medical staff (protected by Ansell Medi-Touch gloves) in private tents at the Dady Rock nightclub in Cancun, Mexico. Why? Apparently they wanted to design a better condom, to ensure that they are sized properly, are comfortable, and won't slip.

The measurements were done by a doctor and a team of four nurses, who attended each of the seven nights of this research. Length was measured from the point at the base of the erect penis where the top of the penile shaft meets the pubic area to the tip of the glans (NOTE FOR [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] MEMBERS: THIS WAS A NON-BONEPRESSED MEASUREMENT TECHNIQUE). For uncircumcised men the foreskin was retracted. The majority of participants were U.S. college men but it was not limited to this group. Volunteers were asked to enter a private area where they would gain an erection and then call for the two qualified nurses to measure their cock. To ensure the accuracy of the data, each man was measured by two of the nurses. A doctor supervised the nurses and all activity. Volunteers tended to be groups of friends, which helped ensure a wide range of penis sizes (big and small) and provided a more accurate average figure.

At 300 effective measurements, this study was twice the size of any previous study that used medical staff to measure penis size. This method is more accurate and reliable than studies where volunteers undertake self-measurement / reporting.

I think one more very important thing should also be noted: those surveyed were young, college age men who were willing to volunteer to be measured. This was not a random population sampling, and probably did not include very many older men, or those who are overweight, both of which would probably have smaller NBP measurements, and thus bring the average down. I'm also pretty sure that men who felt that they were "smaller" were not exactly knocking the door down to be measured either. I conclude from this that the true average penis size is probably a little bit lower than their 5.9" results, maybe in the 5 to 5.5" range... but this is the best set of numbers we have to go by now.

Please note that to realistically compare yourself to this average, you would have to measure your penis from the top center of the shaft, NON-bonepressed. Comparing any other numbers to these will give you a false comparison. Do not measure bonepressed. Do not measure from the side, the balls, the asshole or "with the curve", if you would like to compare your cock to the most reliable data on penis size.

Erect Length

Length Inches... Cumulative.....Bigger than you.... Smaller than you
3.75 or less.......0.6................994/1000................6/1000
4.00................1.6%..............984/1000................16/1000
4.25................3.0%..............970/1000................30/1000
4.50.................3.8%..............962/1000................38/1000
4.75.................8.0%..............920/1000................80/1000
5.00.................12.5%.............875/1000 ...............125/1000
5.25..................20.0%.............800/1000 ...............200/1000
5.50..................27.7%..............723/1000................277/1000
5.75..................44.6%..............554/1000.................446/1000
6.00..................60.2%..............398/1000 ..................602/1000
6.25..................69.9%...............301/1000.................699/1000
6.50..................81.0%...............190/1000.................810/1000
6.75..................90.5% ...............95/1000..................905/1000
7.00..................92.5%................75/1000...................925/1000
7.25...................94.3%................57/1000...................943/1000
7.50...................97.0%.................30/1000...................970/1000
7.75...................97.8%..................22/1000...................978/1000
8.00....................98.8%.................12/1000....................988/1000 8.25....................99.1%..................9/1000......................991/1000
8.50....................99.4%..................6/1000......................994/1000
8.75....................99.5%..................5/1000......................995/1000
9.00 or more.........100.0% ................0/1000.....................999/1000

My penis currently measures around 6.5" non-bonepressed, give or take a little. This puts me in the 81 cumulative percentile, which is pretty damn good, I think. It means, basically, that only 19 of 100 men would actually have a larger penis than I would [remember what I said about male competitiveness! ] Feel free to measure your penis in this same method and report your size. You can lie if you want, but you're only going to be hurting yourself further down the line in your Penis Enlargement endeavors!

Alot of fuss has been made lately about penis measurements here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. Instead of ranting in a negative fashion about liars and cheaters and men living in a Penis Enlargement fantasy world, I thought I would make a thread that was realistic, but above all positive, about average NBP penis measurements. I think the average is much smaller than we all believe, and our perception of what is truly a large cock unrealistic in the extreme.

To be honest, I never really believed my wife when she told me I'm the biggest she's ever had. I'm something of a adult entertainment junkie and spend way too much time here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and I believe it has really skewed my perceptions on penis size. After studying this data, I now realize that, statistically, it's probably true. I have also decided to lower my Penis Enlargement goal to a more realistic 7.00" NBP, which would place my penis in the 92% in length. I'm weird. 20 guys bigger than me is too much. I would feel better if only about 7 or 8 of a hundred were the same size or bigger!

excellent post. wish there was something on girth too

 

[dculo]

Hello Fellow Noobs,

I have looked at all of the largest studies, excluding all that were not carried out by the medical community, that I could find. From the earliest to the latest large-scale studies that I can find in the medical journals and papers from the medical community, there has not been any significant change in the reality of penis size over the last century or so. Taking all of the data that I could find from the large-scale studies, a static average, is quite evident over time regarding penis size. From my somewhat rigorous study of mathematics in my lifetime and all of the data I can find regarding penis size, what is often referred to as "optimal" or even desirable is strictly statistically at least 2.5 to 3 deviation points from reality for the vast majority of most human beings. (Hopefully, wide-spread acceptance, practice, and study of Penis Enlargement will change this in the future )

The results from this study by me of the data available about the reality of human penises regarding size:

Averages population wide (all measurements bone-pressed along top of penis and erections are full naturally or chemically induced)

flaccid length = 9.25cm or 3.64"
flaccid stretched length = 14.75cm or 5.81"
flaccid girth = 10.25cm or 4.03"
erect length = 13.65cm or 5.37"
erect girth = 12.25cm or 4.82"

And no, this data was not skewed by any significant population deviation from one area or another. Perceptions and beliefs aside, there are no significant cultural, regional, or ethnic deviations placing abnormal "weights" into the averages. These numbers apply to all male human beings on this earth. There are studies for example that show that say people closer to equatorial areas have a slight tendency to have longer relaxed flaccid lengths, generally attributed to both the climate and general skin elasticity over their lifetime, but again, it is not anything outside of normal deviation, and certainly not significant. Everything that people have "heard" about certain "traits" of one people or another is more or less just urban legend and not medically backed or substantiated in any way. Humans are humans. Penises are penises. And the averages above are what they are. Representative of the average male penis, "optimal" or not.

Tom

Average Erect Penis Length

The average erect penis length was 5.877 inches (14.928 cm). Standard deviation was 0.825 inches (2.096 cm) with 54 percent of the effective sample measuring between 5.5 inches (14 cm) and 6.3 inches (16 cm).



Average Erect Penis Girth

The average erect penis girth was 4.972 inches (12.63 cm). Standard deviation was 0.508 inches (1.29 cm) or with 53.33 percent of the effective sample measuring between 4.525 inches (11.5 cm) and 5.118 inches (13 cm).



Study behind the above data.

LifeStyles Condoms conducted research into the average length and circumference of the erect penis during Spring Break in Cancun and found that the average penis length is 5.877 inches, with the majority ranging between 5.5 inches and 6.3 inches. The average girth is 4.972 inches, with the majority ranging between 4.7 inches and 5.1 inches.

From March 11 to 17, a total 401 males over the age of 18 were measured, one at a time, by qualified medical staff (protected by gloves) in private tents at the Dady Rock nightclub in Cancun, Mexico. Of the 401 men, 300 were able to gain an erection for measurement — a success rate of only 75%.

Measurement methodology

The following criteria were enforced by a doctor and a team of four nurses, who attended each of the seven nights of the penis size research. Measuring of length was from the point at the base of the erect penis where the top of the penile shaft meets the pubic area to the tip of the glans ("head").

For uncircumcised men, the foreskin was retracted. Measuring of girth was at mid-shaft around the circumference of the penis when the penis was erect. Failure to gain an effective erection for measurement disqualified the volunteer from being included in the data for the calculation of average erect penis length and girth.

Environment

The majority of participants were U.S. college men, but it was not limited to this group. Volunteers were asked to enter a private area, where they would gain an erection and then call for the two nurses to measure their erect penis. To ensure the accuracy of the data, each erect penis was measured by two of the nurses. A doctor supervised the nurses and all activity.
Volunteers tended to be groups of friends, which helped ensure a wide range of penis sizes (big and small) and provide a more accurate average figure.

Sample size

The sample included 401 male volunteers, of which only 300 were "effective" male volunteers (75 percent), because 101 volunteers (25 percent) could not gain an erection for measurement. At 300 effective measurements, the study was twice the size of any previous study that used medical staff to measure penis size. This method is more accurate and reliable than studies in which volunteers undertake self-measurement/reporting.

Source

From the same survey data, this is a chart on penile girth. The girth on this was measured mid-shaft. If you would like to compare to this chart, you would have to measure your own penis mid-shaft, or the comparison would not be valid.


Girth Inches... Cumulative.....Bigger than you.... Smaller than you
3.50 or below.....0.9%.............991/1000...............9/1000
3.75.................1.6%.............984/1000...............16/1000
4.00................ 4.7%.............953/1000...............47/1000
4.25................ 8.8%.............912/1000...............88/1000
4.50.................14.6%............854/1000..............146/1000
4.75.................27.7%............723/1000..............277/1000
5.00.................50.0%............500/1000 .............500/1000
5.25.................83.0%............170/1000 ..............830/1000
5.50.................93.0%.............70/1000................930/1000
5.75.................95.6%.............44/1000................956/1000
6.00.................100%..............1/1000 .................999/1000

My mid-shaft girth is 5.75". That puts me waaaay at the top of the chart. 95.6% is nothing to sniff at. No wonder I always have to wiggle that sucker in! Just kidding... The main jump here seems to be about 5.25" girth. That or anything bigger means you got a fat cock. Be proud.

fuck!!! most guys are bigger than me girthwise

 

[Medicating]

So in every 1000 people, one guy is guaranteed to have a 9 incher or more?

 

[tbone77]

no guarantees, just probability.

 

[DLD]

So in every 1000 people, one guy is guaranteed to have a 9 incher or more?

I highly doubt that, more like every 100,000.

 

[dickerschwanz]

You have to think that statisticly from the really big ones not every dick is out there in the "market". Some have wifes and some are not sexualy active or dont screw girls.
Every woman I was with and talked about it said I had the biggest cock and I'm not that huge but It helps that Im very lean. Even a prostitute I was with said she only had 1-2 guys with a bigger cock.
It tells you much about the distribution of really big cocks that fuck out there. The largest chunk is average. Some are long and some are fat but I dont think that there are many 8x6 dicks out there screwing around.

 

[MikeShlort]

You have to think that statisticly from the really big ones not every dick is out there in the "market". Some have wifes and some are not sexualy active or dont screw girls.
Every woman I was with and talked about it said I had the biggest cock and I'm not that huge but It helps that Im very lean. Even a prostitute I was with said she only had 1-2 guys with a bigger cock.
It tells you much about the distribution of really big cocks that fuck out there. The largest chunk is average. Some are long and some are fat but I dont think that there are many 8x6 dicks out there screwing around.

Wish I lived where you did. Seems like all the dudes I know have at least 8 inches and all the sluts are cock whores. All the more motivation to yank my winkle though.

 

[longrodten]

Wish I lived where you did. Seems like all the dudes I know have at least 8 inches and all the sluts are cock whores. All the more motivation to yank my winkle though.

Where the hell do you live?

 

[twins172_up]

I miss kong, that guy was alright.

 

[DLD]

I miss kong, that guy was alright.

me too

 

[MikeShlort]

Where the hell do you live?

North America.

 

[dickerschwanz]

Wish I lived where you did. Seems like all the dudes I know have at least 8 inches and all the sluts are cock whores. All the more motivation to yank my winkle though.

Did you see them errect? The sluts do talk usualy shit.

 

[Dapper Dan]

Girls don't know shit about size. Guys exaggerate.
Nothing wrong with cock sluts though

 

[DLD]

Girls don't know shit about size. Guys exaggerate.
Nothing wrong with cock sluts though

Between the two no one knows what big or small is anymore If a girl is mad at you she will deduct 2" off the cock, if she is loving you she will add 2" Men just automatically add two inches for good measure

 

[MikeShlort]

Did you see them errect? The sluts do talk usualy shit.

No my friends themselves told me. They have no reason to lie about it. I don't know why everyone here is in denial that a lot of people have big penises from birth. Isn't this the reason we are here in the first place?

 

[dickerschwanz]

No my friends themselves told me. They have no reason to lie about it. I don't know why everyone here is in denial that a lot of people have big penises from birth. Isn't this the reason we are here in the first place?

lol. not sure if serious. If so then let me give you a wake up call.

Big Penises are out there but you have a distorted view of it. You are seeing a big dick in every pants passing you by. (How many 8 inch + dicks did you see in your life with your own eyes in front of you?(
Its cause you feel insecure about your size so it must be that everyone has a bigger one then you. You believe in it so it must be. Tough this is not true.

Did you ever go to a sauna club? Naked beach? Amateur gangbang? These are the guys who have no problems showing their dick and most of them dont have a 8x6 cock.

Your friends have every reason to lie about it.. and they do. No one wants to be the one with the small dick. No one wants to be the poorest, no one wants to be the shortest, no one wants to be the dumbest. Thats how human ego works.
And even if they themselves think that they really all have 8 inch dicks then chances are they dont have a clue how to measure the same way as in the scientific studies.
Yeah I have a 10 inch dick you know. No reason for me to lie. I believe in it cause I measure from my ass.

Then some bitch talk about how she had that big dick that must have been 8 inches and the other bitch says she had a bigger dick who must have been 9 inches. In truth it were probably 6-7 inches.
You know thats what bitches do - exegerate.
Then the other bitch who just pretends having big dicks to be cool with her bitch friends, but is to insecure to really bitch around has all that 8 inch dicks in her mind.
She also looks up some big dick adult entertainment were all the super secure guys who have larger then average dicks fuck with viagra, pumped up dicks and raging erections tiny whores who repeat:"uh how big"(+ all the camera fakery).
Then she decides to go out and get some of these big dicks who must be all over the place.
She mets mister average and is deeply dissapointed that he doesnt destroy her uterus. She lets him feel it that he is too small. Maybe the poor bitch even tells him in his face.
He is gutted, looks up adult entertainment and sees only dicks bigger then him so he must have one of the smallest dicks on earth. He thinks he is worthless and will never satisfy any woman.
Desperate he looks up how he can have a bigger dick.
Worst he ends up buying worthless pills and best he ends up in a penis enlargment forum that tells him the truth about penis size and how to healthy increase size and function.
Welcome.

 

[DLD]

lol. not sure if serious. If so then let me give you a wake up call.

Big Penises are out there but you have a distorted view of it. You are seeing a big dick in every pants passing you by. (How many 8 inch + dicks did you see in your life with your own eyes in front of you?(
Its cause you feel insecure about your size so it must be that everyone has a bigger one then you. You believe in it so it must be. Tough this is not true.

Did you ever go to a sauna club? Naked beach? Amateur gangbang? These are the guys who have no problems showing their dick and most of them dont have a 8x6 cock.

Your friends have every reason to lie about it.. and they do. No one wants to be the one with the small dick. No one wants to be the poorest, no one wants to be the shortest, no one wants to be the dumbest. Thats how human ego works.
And even if they themselves think that they really all have 8 inch dicks then chances are they dont have a clue how to measure the same way as in the scientific studies.
Yeah I have a 10 inch dick you know. No reason for me to lie. I believe in it cause I measure from my ass.

Then some bitch talk about how she had that big dick that must have been 8 inches and the other bitch says she had a bigger dick who must have been 9 inches. In truth it were probably 6-7 inches.
You know thats what bitches do - exegerate.
Then the other bitch who just pretends having big dicks to be cool with her bitch friends, but is to insecure to really bitch around has all that 8 inch dicks in her mind.
She also looks up some big dick adult entertainment were all the super secure guys who have larger then average dicks fuck with viagra, pumped up dicks and raging erections tiny whores who repeat:"uh how big"(+ all the camera fakery).
Then she decides to go out and get some of these big dicks who must be all over the place.
She mets mister average and is deeply dissapointed that he doesnt destroy her uterus. She lets him feel it that he is too small. Maybe the poor bitch even tells him in his face.
He is gutted, looks up adult entertainment and sees only dicks bigger then him so he must have one of the smallest dicks on earth. He thinks he is worthless and will never satisfy any woman.
Desperate he looks up how he can have a bigger dick.
Worst he ends up buying worthless pills and best he ends up in a penis enlargment forum that tells him the truth about penis size and how to healthy increase size and function.
Welcome.

Excellent post. You are right on every level and with every point. I like the way you nailed the male psyche with the line:"Its cause you feel insecure about your size so it must be that everyone has a bigger one then you."

The


The strange thing is men will toucher themselves with this way of thinking and it is usually, always based out of reality. Perhaps a girlfriend made a comment about how big an ex was, or maybe friends lied to you about their size, there are many possible reasons and men can easily attach themselves to this obsession. No matter how much anyone obsesses the truth is still that an average, human penis, measured bone-pressed is right in the area of 5.5" x 4.75"....there are not many 8" dudes walking the streets.

 

[MikeShlort]

lol. not sure if serious. If so then let me give you a wake up call.

Big Penises are out there but you have a distorted view of it. You are seeing a big dick in every pants passing you by. (How many 8 inch + dicks did you see in your life with your own eyes in front of you?(
Its cause you feel insecure about your size so it must be that everyone has a bigger one then you. You believe in it so it must be. Tough this is not true.

Did you ever go to a sauna club? Naked beach? Amateur gangbang? These are the guys who have no problems showing their dick and most of them dont have a 8x6 cock.

Your friends have every reason to lie about it.. and they do. No one wants to be the one with the small dick. No one wants to be the poorest, no one wants to be the shortest, no one wants to be the dumbest. Thats how human ego works.
And even if they themselves think that they really all have 8 inch dicks then chances are they dont have a clue how to measure the same way as in the scientific studies.
Yeah I have a 10 inch dick you know. No reason for me to lie. I believe in it cause I measure from my ass.

Then some bitch talk about how she had that big dick that must have been 8 inches and the other bitch says she had a bigger dick who must have been 9 inches. In truth it were probably 6-7 inches.
You know thats what bitches do - exegerate.
Then the other bitch who just pretends having big dicks to be cool with her bitch friends, but is to insecure to really bitch around has all that 8 inch dicks in her mind.
She also looks up some big dick adult entertainment were all the super secure guys who have larger then average dicks fuck with viagra, pumped up dicks and raging erections tiny whores who repeat:"uh how big"(+ all the camera fakery).
Then she decides to go out and get some of these big dicks who must be all over the place.
She mets mister average and is deeply dissapointed that he doesnt destroy her uterus. She lets him feel it that he is too small. Maybe the poor bitch even tells him in his face.
He is gutted, looks up adult entertainment and sees only dicks bigger then him so he must have one of the smallest dicks on earth. He thinks he is worthless and will never satisfy any woman.
Desperate he looks up how he can have a bigger dick.
Worst he ends up buying worthless pills and best he ends up in a penis enlargment forum that tells him the truth about penis size and how to healthy increase size and function.
Welcome.

Not at all. That's why lots of guys never get laid and other guys have sex all the time. The world is a small place. Especially a town of 400,000. Especially a University town. Girls love to talk about having sex with guys with big penises, also they like to talk about which guys are inadequate. I've seen girls show their friends pictures of some guys dick that they have been with, it being huge, and then bragging about how they got on top of it and loved it. A woman's self worth is measured in inches.
I have to compete with those around me. I don't give a fuck about any of the guys smaller than me. They are not in contention. They do no exist. It just so happens that my small group of 7-8 friends, they all happened to be 8+. That's just the way the odds are for me. But of those guys, all are very sexually active and always able to keep girlfriends. They are able to even treat women like garbage and put things like drinking and being a dickhead above their relationship because they know that their girlfriend will put up with it rather than trying to settle with a lesser penis. This is not what I want to do to women, but I don't want to be that cliche guy with the average penis who is nice because I have to be. I'm here to compete. I'm sick of Billy the washed up college athlete and Cube Van Tommy being able to please a woman better than me.
No woman wants to be in a room full of couples and be with the smallest guy there. I would not do that to a woman. It's embarrassing for both of us.
Think of high school. The guys who got laid a lot were either popular or had big dicks, or both. Their sexual prowess gave them popularity. Welcome to North America. Turn on your TV, look at a billboard. Life is High School Part 2. Either compete or lie down.
I Penis Enlargement daily, since late September 2011. I need this mentality to keep motivated. I'm not here to accept, deny, or compromise. I'm here to get a big cock that I would be proud to show to a woman. A cock that all the others will hear about. One that will make her stick around without me having to pay her way.
Maybe I'm unlucky that all my close friends in my life happen to be well endowed. Maybe the bar is set very high for me. These are the facts and that's the way it is. It took me a long time to realize the harsh, shallow truth about life and I'm not about to go back to putting my head in the sand because it makes me sad. I'm here to become a real man. And having a big cock is a large part of it.
Maybe my view on what a real man is might be skewed. But I do know that all I know about the subject is truth. Women are to a big cock that flies are to a steaming pile of shit.
If I wanted to make myself feel better about Mike Shlort, I'd read all those bullshit "average is good" articles in Maxim or another mainstream publication whose marketing strategy is to appeal to the biggest demographic possible.
Instead, I searched for a solution and was lucky enough to find this place. Now I'm putting it into practice. I guess my views offend you and others, but that's the way it is. Sometimes life is tough for a series of years or decades.

 

[pUNKY]

Not at all. That's why lots of guys never get laid and other guys have sex all the time. The world is a small place. Especially a town of 400,000. Especially a University town. Girls love to talk about having sex with guys with big penises, also they like to talk about which guys are inadequate. I've seen girls show their friends pictures of some guys dick that they have been with, it being huge, and then bragging about how they got on top of it and loved it. A woman's self worth is measured in inches.
I have to compete with those around me. I don't give a fuck about any of the guys smaller than me. They are not in contention. They do no exist. It just so happens that my small group of 7-8 friends, they all happened to be 8+. That's just the way the odds are for me. But of those guys, all are very sexually active and always able to keep girlfriends. They are able to even treat women like garbage and put things like drinking and being a dickhead above their relationship because they know that their girlfriend will put up with it rather than trying to settle with a lesser penis. This is not what I want to do to women, but I don't want to be that cliche guy with the average penis who is nice because I have to be. I'm here to compete. I'm sick of Billy the washed up college athlete and Cube Van Tommy being able to please a woman better than me.
No woman wants to be in a room full of couples and be with the smallest guy there. I would not do that to a woman. It's embarrassing for both of us.
Think of high school. The guys who got laid a lot were either popular or had big dicks, or both. Their sexual prowess gave them popularity. Welcome to North America. Turn on your TV, look at a billboard. Life is High School Part 2. Either compete or lie down.
I Penis Enlargement daily, since late September 2011. I need this mentality to keep motivated. I'm not here to accept, deny, or compromise. I'm here to get a big cock that I would be proud to show to a woman. A cock that all the others will hear about. One that will make her stick around without me having to pay her way.
Maybe I'm unlucky that all my close friends in my life happen to be well endowed. Maybe the bar is set very high for me. These are the facts and that's the way it is. It took me a long time to realize the harsh, shallow truth about life and I'm not about to go back to putting my head in the sand because it makes me sad. I'm here to become a real man. And having a big cock is a large part of it.
Maybe my view on what a real man is might be skewed. But I do know that all I know about the subject is truth. Women are to a big cock that flies are to a steaming pile of shit.
If I wanted to make myself feel better about Mike Shlort, I'd read all those bullshit "average is good" articles in Maxim or another mainstream publication whose marketing strategy is to appeal to the biggest demographic possible.
Instead, I searched for a solution and was lucky enough to find this place. Now I'm putting it into practice. I guess my views offend you and others, but that's the way it is. Sometimes life is tough for a series of years or decades.

Hey mate, I understand a lot about what your saying, but that college bullshit will pass, I'm not being blunt but in a proper relationship, penis size wouldn't be the main or even top 5 things that will make her stick around. Yes there will be extremes but a girl who is only with you because you have a big dick is not a keeper.

 

[MikeShlort]

Hey mate, I understand a lot about what your saying, but that college bullshit will pass, I'm not being blunt but in a proper relationship, penis size wouldn't be the main or even top 5 things that will make her stick around. Yes there will be extremes but a girl who is only with you because you have a big dick is not a keeper.

Don't get me started on the truth about women and their sex drives. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
All I will say is no, their libidos do not fade as they get older. And guess what: they get looser. Kids, lots of sex etc. Why do you think divorce rates are so high and nobody is happy? Everyone is selfish and it's time that we as men start realizing what is going on instead of sticking our heads in the sand because we don't want our feelings hurt. Guess how many women will marry an average dude for financial security and be fucking, say, the black neighbour and his pals on the side. It's like an unspoken truth. So we as white men will secretly hate black guys instead of addressing the real issue. Shit, I even see threads here "White cocks just as big or bigger than black cocks".
It's time to wake up and deal with the fucking problem.
Guys like me who choose to compete will make it so in the next 20-30 years penis enlargement will be practiced as routinely as a nose job with injections, devices, real medical research and no longer will we be getting fucked in the ass by women and anyone born with a big cock.
You can look at my views as childish, cave man like, not progressive etc. But to me, someone who is "progressive" and "politically correct" is just a pussy in denial or is endowed so they don't have to worry about it.
We will all want great sex until we are dead, and kill me tomorrow if that's not the case.
Sorry for being a man.

 

[gigel]

I agree with you,either you compete to be best man you can be,or be sorry for yourself all the time and stay in your comfort zone.

 

[DLD]

there will be extremes but a girl who is only with you because you have a big dick is not a keeper.

I worry that a girl won't date me because my dick is too big

 

[MikeShlort]

I worry that a girl won't date me because my dick is too big

I don't think in the history of the world has a woman refused to date a man because his penis is too big. Unless she is unable to secrete moisture.

 

[DLD]

I don't think in the history of the world has a woman refused to date a man because his penis is too big. Unless she is unable to secrete moisture.

I guess so, I guess so!

 

[pUNKY]

Don't get me started on the truth about women and their sex drives. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
All I will say is no, their libidos do not fade as they get older. And guess what: they get looser. Kids, lots of sex etc. Why do you think divorce rates are so high and nobody is happy? Everyone is selfish and it's time that we as men start realizing what is going on instead of sticking our heads in the sand because we don't want our feelings hurt. Guess how many women will marry an average dude for financial security and be fucking, say, the black neighbour and his pals on the side. It's like an unspoken truth. So we as white men will secretly hate black guys instead of addressing the real issue. Shit, I even see threads here "White cocks just as big or bigger than black cocks".
It's time to wake up and deal with the fucking problem.
Guys like me who choose to compete will make it so in the next 20-30 years penis enlargement will be practiced as routinely as a nose job with injections, devices, real medical research and no longer will we be getting fucked in the ass by women and anyone born with a big cock.
You can look at my views as childish, cave man like, not progressive etc. But to me, someone who is "progressive" and "politically correct" is just a pussy in denial or is endowed so they don't have to worry about it.
We will all want great sex until we are dead, and kill me tomorrow if that's not the case.
Sorry for being a man.

"Don't get me started on the truth about women and their sex drives. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
All I will say is no, their libidos do not fade as they get older. And guess what: they get looser. Kids, lots of sex etc. Why do you think divorce rates are so high and nobody is happy? Everyone is selfish and it's time that we as men start realizing what is going on instead of sticking our heads in the sand because we don't want our feelings hurt. Guess how many women will marry an average dude for financial security and be fucking, say, the black neighbour and his pals on the side"

I'm not trying to be rude here mate, I do agree with some of what your saying but I have to say that the outlook on life and relationships to me is very morbid. Yes we all know of the elusive size queen out there that is all about big throbbing cock and nothing more, lets put them aside for now because whores like that are not worth our time. The hard part here is to speculate what women you are talking about, if it were a college girl who is just experiencing sex and is maybe more immature then yes I agree with you. However if we are talking more mature women or just women as a whole I have to disagree. If all women built relationships on the fact that they wanted big dicks and big dicks only then 99% of the male population is screwed. It's like me saying that every time I see I women with bigger boobs and a tighter pussy then I will go cheat because I'M MAN and that's bullshit. There any many characteristics that women find sexy, confidence, humor, independence etc etc and if you have such a hang up on cock size then you destroy a lot of these. I have an average size cock, am I ashamed of it, fuck no and I won't feel any less of a man because of it. Does that mean that I'm under any illusion that women will be more curious or turned on with a bigger one, nope. The be and end all is you should not let the size of your junk consume your world otherwise whats the point in living? If you go through life believing that all that matters to a female is big dick and you have to compete with all these dudes to stop her cheating with the 'black neighbor (again another HUGE stereotype) then be prepared for a lonely and untrusting life, there will always be someone bigger and better (except for maybe DLD).

For me being someone who is confident within themselves and will not let what a women thinks affect him or his confidence is the true definition of a man, someone who's drive to get a bigger dick is to keep a women is far from being manly. I'm here because I want to increase the size of my dick for me, same as why I go to the gym, I am confident in what I have but as a man yes I want to push to be the best I can be, but fuck no I don't do it to just to please a women, I do it for me alone.

"Guys like me who choose to compete will make it so in the next 20-30 years penis enlargement will be practiced as routinely as a nose job with injections, devices, real medical research and no longer will we be getting fucked in the ass by women and anyone born with a big cock.
You can look at my views as childish, cave man like, not progressive etc. But to me, someone who is "progressive" and "politically correct" is just a pussy in denial or is endowed so they don't have to worry about it.
We will all want great sex until we are dead, and kill me tomorrow if that's not the case.
Sorry for being a man."

Again I respect your opinion but for me natural penis enlargement will never become main stream. Your forgetting this stuff has been around since the dawn of time, yes the internet has now made it more accessible but still, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] has been here for over 10 years, before that we had numerous other forums and it still has yet to be something the majority of the male public try. One the medical industry won't let it, medical professional and won't every admit this stuff works, it will destroy their business. Two, Penis Enlargement takes time and dedication and we live in a lazy society. Going to the gym and working out has been around for god knows how long, we all know most women find a guy with a good figure sexy, yet does that mean we all go to the gym? nope, less than 10% of the human population actively exercise and Penis Enlargement is the same.

Like I say I don't mean any offense by this but it's a debate and I'm just posting my opinion.

 

[DLD]

Like I say I don't mean any offense by this but it's a debate and I'm just posting my opinion.

This is why we have come so far, if a friendly debate was not allowed a lot of bullshit would be floating around the forums. We are a mature enough forum to allow open debates that actually benefit us.

 

[MikeShlort]

Well I wasn't really debating, I was just stating the facts how I see them and the fuel I use to motivate myself. It's not like I get a kick out of spending 6-8 hours of my day in a physically limiting stretching device, then coming home from work and the gym to do Penis Enlargement.
I guess whatever motivation works for you is good. I choose to look at things worst case scenario because it forces me to take action and stay vigilant.
Also, I am a negative asshole, so I can see how the things I say can offend others. It's not like the stuff I'm saying is bullshit, it's just most people choose not to think about it because it's horrible stuff to be constantly consumed with.
I have real trouble compromising and telling any lies to myself, and I believe this trait is what makes a man, but everyone is different.
If everyone was the same the world would be boring. I'm glad I'm a negative prick, just as much as I'm glad there are wide eyed optimists roaming about the earth. Both types of people have changed the world for the better throughout history.

 

[MikeShlort]

I do think you're wrong about enlargement never becoming mainstream. Look at Viagra. It's only a matter of time.

 

[petersouth]

Some good points in this thread.

The reason I'm doing this is I realize average just isn't good enough. Women only want top 20% and leave the rest alone, it's the truth. Unless you want to be the guy that pays and gets cheated on the side there better be something special about you.

But any ugly ass bitch can get laid or get a boyfriend, that's the shitty part. I see so many couples around my apartment complex where the guy looks normal and decent looking and his GF/wife is a fat ass.

The truth of that situation is the guy can't do any better.

 

[DLD]

Some good points in this thread.

The reason I'm doing this is I realize average just isn't good enough. Women only want top 20% and leave the rest alone, it's the truth. Unless you want to be the guy that pays and gets cheated on the side there better be something special about you.

But any ugly ass bitch can get laid or get a boyfriend, that's the shitty part. I see so many couples around my apartment complex where the guy looks normal and decent looking and his GF/wife is a fat ass.

The truth of that situation is the guy can't do any better.

That is the truth about women, they will always be able to get laid, men have it much harder.

 

[MikeShlort]

Some good points in this thread.

The reason I'm doing this is I realize average just isn't good enough. Women only want top 20% and leave the rest alone, it's the truth. Unless you want to be the guy that pays and gets cheated on the side there better be something special about you.

But any ugly ass bitch can get laid or get a boyfriend, that's the shitty part. I see so many couples around my apartment complex where the guy looks normal and decent looking and his GF/wife is a fat ass.

The truth of that situation is the guy can't do any better.

You pretty much summed it up dude.
Average is far from good enough, women want it all, the prettier they are, the more penises they have had, the more likely they know what good sex is etc. etc. etc.
Even the fat ugly ones want a bigger cock than the one they're stuck with. They just can't do any better themselves. The cruelty of nature is that if a person has good genetics, they most likely are superior in most fields - intelligence, looks, physique, penis size, [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words], strength.
I've read plenty of threads about this topic where woman are being candid because their identities aren't revealed. Most of the ones who aren't full of shit say plain and simple: I want at least 8 inches. There are plenty of guys that have this, so I'll just go find another one if I'm not satisfied.
This is exactly my point about the small percentage of guys who get to fuck all the time.

I wish everyone here luck, as well as myself. I know if we ever get to that goal, our lives will be exponentially better.

 

[Deleted member 119539]

But true 8 inches is supposedly so rare, how many of these size queens have really had true 8 inches?

 

[petersouth]

But true 8 inches is supposedly so rare, how many of these size queens have really had true 8 inches?

It's probably more like a fat 6.5 to 7.5 inches they are referring to since they can't measure for shit.

I have 6.5nbp x 5.25 when pumped up from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and I'm getting too big for the asian pros, last girl was a tall korean girl and she had some pain from it bottoming out and stretching.

I have to try on this other full figured south american escort I haven't seen for 6 months, I'm pretty sure she will say wtf because I was about an inch less and much thinner last time.

 

[DLD]

I have to try on this other full figured south american escort I haven't seen for 6 months, I'm pretty sure she will say wtf because I was about an inch less and much thinner last time.

Huge confidence builder! I can't wait to hear her reaction!

 

[Deleted member 119539]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/peggy/the-authentic-womens-penis-size-preference-chart

I don't think I've seen this chart discussed here before or I must of missed it. But this is saying chicks love the approximate 8x6.5. Would be nice to know regarding this chart would be the numbers of course.

 

[DLD]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/peggy/the-authentic-womens-penis-size-preference-chart

I don't think I've seen this chart discussed here before or I must of missed it. But this is saying chicks love the approximate 8x6.5. Would be nice to know regarding this chart would be the numbers of course.

One of the first charts I saw. It is very unrealistic.

 

[longrodten]

don't get me started on the truth about women and their sex drives. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
All i will say is no, their libidos do not fade as they get older. And guess what: They get looser. Kids, lots of sex etc. Why do you think divorce rates are so high and nobody is happy? Everyone is selfish and it's time that we as men start realizing what is going on instead of sticking our heads in the sand because we don't want our feelings hurt. Guess how many women will marry an average dude for financial security and be fucking, say, the black neighbour and his pals on the side. It's like an unspoken truth. So we as white men will secretly hate black guys instead of addressing the real issue. Shit, i even see threads here "white cocks just as big or bigger than black cocks".
It's time to wake up and deal with the fucking problem.
Guys like me who choose to compete will make it so in the next 20-30 years penis enlargement will be practiced as routinely as a nose job with injections, devices, real medical research and no longer will we be getting fucked in the ass by women and anyone born with a big cock.
You can look at my views as childish, cave man like, not progressive etc. But to me, someone who is "progressive" and "politically correct" is just a pussy in denial or is endowed so they don't have to worry about it.
We will all want great sex until we are dead, and kill me tomorrow if that's not the case.
Sorry for being a man.

yes fucking sir!

 

[MikeShlort]

I've seen this chart before and it has been dismissed. Mainly on the grounds that women don't know what the hell they're talking about.

I actually agree with the chart, but I would probably say 9x7 would be ideal, as in time, an 8 inch would stretch the vagina leaving room for more cock (that is if the woman is small enough for 8 to be her limit).

 

[MikeShlort]

yes fucking sir!

Long rod ten.. Do you have a 10 inch?
If so, then you must know first hand the truth I am speaking.
Thank you for acknowledging.

 

[longrodten]

Long rod ten.. Do you have a 10 inch?
If so, then you must know first hand the truth I am speaking.
Thank you for acknowledging.

MikeShlort,

My maximum ever bpel was 8.75" and standard is around 8.50", the login name was chosen because it was catchy.

This long into it, I realize a woman who wants you just for this is going to be leaving you lacking in several other areas.

However, as a man providing and supporting for his family, I really have a terrible view of a single male interloper who is often a very self centered individual coming in and fucking the "MILF". I realize that men need to do what they have to do, and like you said. If a man that wants to hold a woman down is going to need to up the dick size to make sure that he's going to be ok, then he needs to pull his head out the sand and do just that.

Any males on this board who get cheated on for dick size or money or whatever it is best policy to dump her and never look back. I will make an acception in someone who was drunk and did it one or two times and woke up and came to the hard reality that what they have at home is so much better and they fell weak, and they make it up... It's not common though.

 

[MikeShlort]

MikeShlort,

My maximum ever bpel was 8.75" and standard is around 8.50", the login name was chosen because it was catchy.

This long into it, I realize a woman who wants you just for this is going to be leaving you lacking in several other areas.

However, as a man providing and supporting for his family, I really have a terrible view of a single male interloper who is often a very self centered individual coming in and fucking the "MILF". I realize that men need to do what they have to do, and like you said. If a man that wants to hold a woman down is going to need to up the dick size to make sure that he's going to be ok, then he needs to pull his head out the sand and do just that.

Any males on this board who get cheated on for dick size or money or whatever it is best policy to dump her and never look back. I will make an acception in someone who was drunk and did it one or two times and woke up and came to the hard reality that what they have at home is so much better and they fell weak, and they make it up... It's not common though.

Ya i can imagine how tough it would be to maintain a relationship in this day and age.
To me penis size is just something that should be - it's not the reason for getting with a woman. It shouldn't be her motivation to want to be with you because she thinks you may have a big dick. Women who have this mentality are good for one thing - taking cocks. But I believe any relationship falls apart starting with the sex. So it's just pretty much a necessary requirement in my mind if I want to be with a woman. There are plenty of guys who are shallow and childish, they happen to have a big penis so they are able to get women. But I wager that the women get tired of their vapid partners quick enough. I don't want to be the guy who is only good for a "good time" just as much as I don't want to be a cuckold.
I don't bother getting into the other qualities that make a real man because this is a penis enlargement site and I think looking at matters like this in black and white makes things so much simpler. Looking at it like "I don't deserve to touch a woman until my penis is large" helps me stick to the goal, not letting any grey areas cause me to become complacent and accepting.

 

[petersouth]

I think escorts and AMP girls see a much more representative sample. From what I've gathered talking to them very candidly the average guy is not much in the penis department and comes quite fast. Also fat, out of shape, is all hairy down there (they hate this) and does not smell great.

The big penis is mainly for advertisement and confidence, that's what I think. And as said earlier the guys with the bigger dicks are more prolific so the average woman out there is biased somewhat.

But most guys who say they have 8 inches are lying their asses off and the women don't have a clue - like any woman knows what 5 inches around would look like. That alone tells you the chart above is bullshit. If her ex told her he was 8 when he is really 6, imagine what she'll think if you tell her you are 6. That's tiny! She's picturing 6 minus 2.

When I went to high school back in the late 80s/early 90s, every 15 year old kid had an 8 inch cock if asked and of course no one ever masturbated. We were all getting more ass than a toilet seat and didn't need to, that was the story. If anyone caught you masturbating, you would be hounded until you took your own life.

When I was 16 working some crappy job with some 30 something men this one black dude asked me if I was "gettin my share". I was like "uh yeah" but I was thinking "ok pal I'm 16 have no car, zits everwhere, scrawny, girls won't even look at me. what is it about me that would lead you to believe I'm getting anything". lol

But that's just what people do, they like their asses off 24/7 and they expect you to lie as well so nobody feels bad. I can't imagine what it must be like growing up in the internet generation where guys openly admit that maybe, just maybe they don't have an 8 inch dick or a harem of girls at their beck and call. It's great in a way.

 

[Junglefever]

Average is 12 inches,

 

[MikeShlort]

Here's what women behind a computer have to say about it:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/sex/TKIMSOHP674QJQUCB

 

[MikeShlort]

I think escorts and AMP girls see a much more representative sample. From what I've gathered talking to them very candidly the average guy is not much in the penis department and comes quite fast. Also fat, out of shape, is all hairy down there (they hate this) and does not smell great.

The big penis is mainly for advertisement and confidence, that's what I think. And as said earlier the guys with the bigger dicks are more prolific so the average woman out there is biased somewhat.

But most guys who say they have 8 inches are lying their asses off and the women don't have a clue - like any woman knows what 5 inches around would look like. That alone tells you the chart above is bullshit. If her ex told her he was 8 when he is really 6, imagine what she'll think if you tell her you are 6. That's tiny! She's picturing 6 minus 2.

When I went to high school back in the late 80s/early 90s, every 15 year old kid had an 8 inch cock if asked and of course no one ever masturbated. We were all getting more ass than a toilet seat and didn't need to, that was the story. If anyone caught you masturbating, you would be hounded until you took your own life.

When I was 16 working some crappy job with some 30 something men this one black dude asked me if I was "gettin my share". I was like "uh yeah" but I was thinking "ok pal I'm 16 have no car, zits everwhere, scrawny, girls won't even look at me. what is it about me that would lead you to believe I'm getting anything". lol

But that's just what people do, they like their asses off 24/7 and they expect you to lie as well so nobody feels bad. I can't imagine what it must be like growing up in the internet generation where guys openly admit that maybe, just maybe they don't have an 8 inch dick or a harem of girls at their beck and call. It's great in a way.

Prostitutes see mostly guys with small penises..... That's why they have to pay for sex, because they have small dicks.
Kinda like asking people at a penis enlargement forum what the average size is..... Kinda gotta think about the source and their biases......

 

[FATmeat]

Here's what women behind a computer have to say about it:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/sex/TKIMSOHP674QJQUCB

lol read that shit women have no idea of what size is its crazy