Results of 5 weeks of Clamping Everyday with minimal Rest

I reckon each persons dick is different and will handle the stress differently, just like when we hit the weights for our bodies. Some cant handle HIT but prefer the HVT methods .. each to his own. Clamping for me is the ultra method for gaining girth and if you combine that with other pe methods it becomes more powerful but newbies shouldnt jump right in and thats where I see allot of injuries comming from .. niave people not being careful enough.
 
Yeah, I think it's like bodybuilding as well, I've noticed if I stress my dick it shrinks/goes rubbery/flabby and then after maybe ~11 days or so, it bounces back bigger and stronger and harder than ever. I've found there's an 11 day cycle for muscles as well- if you do a hard workout, strength peaks at about 11 days. It's probably something to do with repair rates in both cases, although the details are probably different.

I think you (RedZulu) managed to find the balance where you were able to train so that your almost continuous (every other day) training didn't slow the recuperation too much; in other words you were training below maximum (which is not the same as training below the ideal training point.)

Anyway, the guy that was in that scientific paper did absolutely every fucking thing wrong, and still ended up with a usage dick (if rather ugly). Which is not to say that he wasn't lucky. And stupid.
 
Great input wolfkeeper,

If your interested their is a PDF file for download although you pay a small fee and its at the max contraction training site [Great training protocol by the way] and in the report it outlines a study done by the author on the BEST exercises and rest periods for better growth and it was something like 11-14 days rest between sessions for the best results as your body NEEDS time to heal, grow and get stronger. Most BBs out their wont listen to this and keep doing HVT [High volume training] with less intensity but if they did balls to the wall HIT than they NEED the recovery time and you SEE growth like never before.

I can lift and hurl guys that weigh 240-260lbs on the rugby field and I weigh 175-180lbs but I'm a very strong 175/180lbs. I thank HIT methods for this .. using HIT for 12 months now and getting best results of my life. HVT are the days Arnie trained and waste your time and your life.

I apply similer thoughts to Penis Enlargement now ... hit it HIT-way and watch the gains come.

Here's that link http://www.maxcontraction.com/study.htm and it isnt bullshit either, this protocol works!!!
 
Red, please tell me you don't buy into Mike Mentzer's methodology/Ayn Rand philosophy. There's very little to NO research done on single set "balls" to the wall training, at least none that would have shown up in a REAL human performance research journal. The information on HIT is extremely circumspect because most of it was gathered from anecdotal evidence. The "most successful" HIT story ever was Casey Viator, and years later Viator admitted to training with Mentzer and then going to the gym a few blocks from his house 5-6 hours later to train more.

Not to mention that the guy they chose in the photo is NOT MASSIVE and HE's NOT VERY STRONG. Red a "max contraction" as they are calling it is not even CLOSE. A maximal contraction is when a very large number of motor units is recruited at one time, which is usually caused by a very HEAVY load that can be moved 1-3 times. The other issue with this type of training is that research shows that a muscle needs EXPOSURE to a repetitive stress, not just over a single set, as that single set will quickly become insufficient for growth and increasing resistance will only be possible to a certain point. Another issue is the "recovery" pattern you're discussing is nowhere near accurate. The research shows that even after extremely intense bouts of exercise the body needs 24-72 hours recovery MAX. This ranges from heavy max. effort training all the way to your marathoners and cyclists. Your body is EXTREMELY efficient.

1 set at suBathmateaximal weight is not sufficient for growth or continued strength gains. Mentzer himself made most of his gains and progress from multiple sets and multiple movement patterns in the same session. Also, if you're training a body part with multiple movements in this program on the same day you're doing multiple sets so the point would be moot. You have to have sufficient exposure to grow new muscle tissue.

I've got to say that I'm a 600+lb squatter and as of Wednesday a 600+lb deadlifter. I didn't not get this way by training with 1 set. I too can throw just about anyone around, but I happen to be bigger than most.
 
millionman;304246 said:
Red, please tell me you don't buy into Mike Mentzer's methodology/Ayn Rand philosophy. There's very little to NO research done on single set "balls" to the wall training, at least none that would have shown up in a REAL human performance research journal. The information on HIT is extremely circumspect because most of it was gathered from anecdotal evidence. The "most successful" HIT story ever was Casey Viator, and years later Viator admitted to training with Mentzer and then going to the gym a few blocks from his house 5-6 hours later to train more.

Not to mention that the guy they chose in the photo is NOT MASSIVE and HE's NOT VERY STRONG. Red a "max contraction" as they are calling it is not even CLOSE. A maximal contraction is when a very large number of motor units is recruited at one time, which is usually caused by a very HEAVY load that can be moved 1-3 times. The other issue with this type of training is that research shows that a muscle needs EXPOSURE to a repetitive stress, not just over a single set, as that single set will quickly become insufficient for growth and increasing resistance will only be possible to a certain point. Another issue is the "recovery" pattern you're discussing is nowhere near accurate. The research shows that even after extremely intense bouts of exercise the body needs 24-72 hours recovery MAX. This ranges from heavy max. effort training all the way to your marathoners and cyclists. Your body is EXTREMELY efficient.

1 set at suBathmateaximal weight is not sufficient for growth or continued strength gains. Mentzer himself made most of his gains and progress from multiple sets and multiple movement patterns in the same session. Also, if you're training a body part with multiple movements in this program on the same day you're doing multiple sets so the point would be moot. You have to have sufficient exposure to grow new muscle tissue.

I've got to say that I'm a 600+lb squatter and as of Wednesday a 600+lb deadlifter. I didn't not get this way by training with 1 set. I too can throw just about anyone around, but I happen to be bigger than most.
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got any pics millionman?
 
millionman do you have any books you recommend. I'm just now getting into powerlifting after wasting years training like a BB with little results. I started training heavy and my strength and muscle density has exploded. I haven't gained that much weight though. I think I might be a hard gainer and no matter how hard I try I probably don't eat enough as well.
 
Millionman as I have stated, each to his own :)

Works great for me and I'm in the best shape and strength of my life.

No studies have been done to show that full range training is anybetter than partials or holds either .... many types of training will work, infact they all work ... some better for CERTAIN people than others ... I have found HIT works for me .. it didnt for you.

People will ALWAYS go on and on against such methods as HOT, Max contraction, superslow etc etc as it isnt the norm and people dont want to tax themselves like those methods do ... I couldnt give a shit what certain research suggests as I have the results to show from these training methods AND all this crap about static holds not going to full range strength hahaha is bollocks. I can squat 435lbs full range for 16 reps and I use 650lbs partials ... before I started I was at 200lbs full range and around 350lbs partials ... in 10 months I have LEAPenis EnlargementD through the roof on my strength thanks to HIT training principles.

As I have stated you either love or hate this type of training ... weight training needn't be complicated with Pyramiding, wave loading, pre exhaustion etc etc at the end of the day you stick with what WORKS for you.

Millionman, I aint being funny or anything dude .. you know your stuff but I also know my stuff too and we both use diffferent methods of training ... you see results and I do aswell regardless of scientific data which is scarce. No scientific data exists saying full range is better than static holds or partials ... or that HVT is better than HOT or vice versa.
 
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millionman do you have any books you recommend. I'm just now getting into powerlifting after wasting years training like a BB with little results. I started training heavy and my strength and muscle density has exploded. I haven't gained that much weight though. I think I might be a hard gainer and no matter how hard I try I probably don't eat enough as well.
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Buy this guys book http://www.istvanjavorek.com/index.html

Champion from Romania ... he has TRAINED champions
 
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Penis EnlargementPenis EnlargementPenis Enlargement, Pics of what?

Resources: Elitefts.com, Supertraining, Siff and Verkhoshansky, The Complete Keys to Progress, Dr. Strossen; T-nation.com, Westside Barbell articles, books videos, Louie Simmons. I can keep going.

Research Resources: Generally I use Pub-Med as well as my universities Medical Library via the internets.

Red, Again I am going to disagree with you. Siff and Verkhoshansky spent a majority of their lives working on research that attempted to delineate the different training effects of different training methodology, such as Isometric, Isotonic, Full Range, EMS on specific fiber types, reactive training methods, and just about any other technique you could imagine. This is data that was collected during their years of working with the USSR over approximately 25 years. There's still a tremendous of research on going in the Exercise Physiology field, as well as in Kinesiology.

There are too many studies that I've read that indicate the NECESSITY to train with a full range over the course of a series of sets. At least in regards to hypertrophy. If you break it down to specific structural requirements then to reach a MAXIMAL strength capacity then volume would need to be low, as the CNS would be the failing point. If you make progress using this method then great, but the question I have for you is how much more would you be getting out of your training were you to follow a MAX Effort plan with accessory work for your weak points. It's just like saying I can partial press 455 for 3 reps, but my full range I struggle to press up 315. Sure it's an impressive number, but it's just an EGO number and it's not REAL. It will help your full range bench and you will get stronger from it, but it's not the FULL answer you're looking for. We're looking to be stronger in the REAL world, not just in the weight room, and full range training and multiple sets improves recruitment patterns and neural efficiency not to mention that you will have the work capacity to throw ANYONE around as many times as they choose to get back up. I'd hate to be in a dangerous situation and not be able to generate enough ATP to keep fighting some stupid shit who decided to mix it up with me.
 
T-nation is the shit. What do you guys think about Max-Ot? I've made pretty good gains on that. I'll have to check out those other guys. I've read conflicting evidence on one set vs. multiple sets and now I do multiple sets without reaching fatigue to keep your workout progressing and the learning curve from dropping.
 
Its too seldom noted that when a BB embraces the volume approach, not a ripple is stirred along the surface of the waters in the BB world. On the other hand, when a BB embraces the harder or HIT approach, the waters churn with alarm [like now]. We are told that such an approach doesnt work and cant build bigger muscles [Laugh my fucking arse off]. Individuals such as the Mentzer brothers, Casey Viator and Dorian Yates who all employed the HIT approach and built huge strength and mass .. we are told these guys are 'exceptions' or 'genetic freaks' and even more populer 'steroid users' and that the training [HIT] only worked for them because of these factors. Why the discrepency??? certainly ALL BB champions are genetic freaks and fast majority abuse steroids and peptides. So how can anyone justify labelling an advocate of the High volume approach or full range approach as 'right' and the advocate of HIT [Low set] and sometimes partials or static holds as 'wrong'??. This position is less substantial given that science has no vested interest one way or the other and more and more studies are pilling up in favour of INTENSE, BRIEF and INFREQUENTLY performed workouts.

A study I have copied is below.

December 2004 edition of 'Journal of exercise physiology' online published an article indicating that supports the position that one set per exercise is optimal for stimulating gains in mass and strength. In the article Physiologist D.Smith and S.Bruce-Low attested ''those interested in improving their muscluer strength, size, power and/or endurance shiould perform ONE SET of each exericise to MUSCLUER FAILIRE [Volitional fatigue]

Look up studies by the following aswell ...

E.A. Muller of Germany
Dr Ralph N. Carpinelli
R.M Otto
Dr R.A. Berger
K.J. Ostrowski

Even than you will still call out HIT .. mate, just accept that everyone reacts different to different stimuli ... you and me being fine examples.

Many Rugby teams here in the UK use HIT methods and the South African rugby union team use variations of Max Contractions in movements alongwith the scrum .. they have a system which they use to make their scrum more powerful .. I cant reveal this as I have trained with some South African internationals and cant reveal the secret to their killer scrums but what I can say, already have .. is that HIT has allot to do with it .. so its that worhless, champions use it .. champion teams use it!!!!
 
longstretch;304341 said:
T-nation is the shit. What do you guys think about Max-Ot? I've made pretty good gains on that. I'll have to check out those other guys. I've read conflicting evidence on one set vs. multiple sets and now I do multiple sets without reaching fatigue to keep your workout progressing and the learning curve from dropping.
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Its all personnal prefrence ... nothing is right or wrong with BB.

The body will adjust itself to the training but some people react better to different types of training and can make better gains as a result.

You prefer multiple sets VS one or a few sets ... thats your choice.

Thats my whole point in this thread which might need splitting now.
 
Red, Yates was the first bodybuilder to take the HEAVY for HEAVY's sake approach. He and Ronnie Coleman stand alone as two of the strongest BBers in the sport's short history. Many felt that Yates' constant "intensity" was too radical for other people to follow. He used multiple sets for his movements. This is not about what's right and wrong with your training, or that it bothers me in some way, it's the fact that you are proclaiming it, as ALL HIT jedis do, to be THE TRAINING SYSTEM. Which I assure you it is not. I have trained with a HIT protocol in the past and after about 4 weeks of training nothing had changed. Past that first week of a hellacious increase in blood flow there was no notable increase in muscle mass and no increase in strength.

Also, let it be noted that there are studies that show 30 minutes of walking increases HR enough to elicit certain hormone reactions that increase fat loss. Does this make walking the optimal method for reaching a new level of fitness or a better appearance? No it does not. If you take an untrained individual and put them on ANY type of resistance training they will make progress. To what degree they progress is entirely determined by their nutrition and genetics, and essentially this stands for both methods. However, taking someone who has a training life of more than 2 years and studying their reactions to this particular method of training are VERY different.

There are all sorts of methods to skin a cat, and generally they are all successful. The only difference is which is most EFFICIENT. Red at the end of this discussion I hope that you understand that it's not about which way is right or wrong, but that it's not necessary to look down our noses at people who do things a bit differently than us. You seem to have an attitude about this style of training as if it's some sort of secret that the rest of the BB world does not know. Mike Mentzer was CRAZY as a bat in a bell house. He never got over losing to Arnold in the '80 Olympia and now for the better part of 20 years this HIT Nautilus method, which was created by Arthur Jones in the early 70s, has plagued the BB world ever since. For a book recently released by Dr. Ellington Darden, again one of the founders of the method, you might find some new and interesting training programs in your preferred style. You can pick up a copy from t-nation.com in the store under the books and DVDs section.

I don't train as a BBer, and I don't train like a powerlifter either. I have my own way of doing things as I am finishing a degree in Exercise Physiology I feel it is imperative that I do things a bit differently. I work hard at what I do, and I train extremely hard. I lift weights for me, not to belong to a club or a certain author's methods or even to make new friends. I train for ME. Right now you're doing well training this way, but as you develop over the next 10-20 years you might break away from it and find new ways of doing things. You might find that a 50 rep set gives you the best results, or you might find that 5 ME singles give you the best results. It doesn't matter. Iron is iron and it can do great things for us, but in the end it's still up to us to find our way.
 
Well I've been clamping for 5 weeks,and I have had no gains. Just temp ones in the clamp and slight gains after clamping like you. It's Funny lately my flacid girth is increased by only 1/4 after clamping where as before id get a temp .75' at the base and .5 midshaft temp gain after clamping.

I'll keep clamping for another couple of months.
 
REDZULU2003;304413 said:
Its all personnal prefrence ... nothing is right or wrong with BB.

The body will adjust itself to the training but some people react better to different types of training and can make better gains as a result.

You prefer multiple sets VS one or a few sets ... thats your choice.

Thats my whole point in this thread which might need splitting now.
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Whatever works for you and helps you get to your goals. Mine as of right now are for strength, explosiveness, with hypertrophy as a consequence of heavy lifting. A lot of strength comes from repeatedly lifting a heavy weight because it gets that mind muscle connection. I stop before fatigue because I'm going for maximal weight with maximal form and fatigue prevents lifting both and I've come to find it unneccessary with muscle growth. Not to say that you can't gain from always going to fatigue but that there are different and sometimes better ways. Train don't strain. If you isolate a muscle integrate it into your compound lifts. Etc
 
I'm with RED, HIT training is the best. Slam the weights as heavy and as fast as you can while maintaining form. I'm 5.7 and was down to 119 lbs thanks to stress from school and not making time to eat. I never looked skinnier. After 5 weeks of HIT training and eating I jumped to 140 and look bigger (muscle wise) than I ever have and I used to train all the time before grad school.

Also millionman, my penis looks darker and I've only been on phase one for 3 weeks. Should I cut down my training days? Are you saying this darker appearance is from overworking?
 
My apologies for posting this on your thread but your inbox was full............


Was just reading your post on the science behind clamping....I just started a heavy clamping routine in hopes of gaining lots of girth and you may have stopped me from wasting time and injury so THANK YOU!! I love your scientific outlook and as a student of science myself I have to say everything that you said makes perfect sense and I have been at this (Penis Enlargement) for almost 4 years now with very minimal gains and lately I've been killing my penis in hopes of changing that. If you could explain how the fluid build up actaully works that'd be great, not strong in bio so I don't follow how blood can diffuse out of the viens.

Thanks to you I have decided to practice what I knew all along...you need to work smarter not harder. I've been at clamping for the last 2 months and have worked up to 2- 20 minute sessions everyother day. My stretching routine consists of the phase one routine but with 5 or each instead of 3 and a couple 1 minute bundled a-stretches.

If you could give me some advice and let me know what your recent experiences have showed you that would just make my day. I'm wondering should I take some time off to decon? And how do you approach manual stretches and girth exercises now? I think I can understand why short squeezes are good for girth but why not pull as hard as possible when doing manual stretches?

Looking forward to hearing from you. Your words have truely reshaped my pe carreer! THANKS again!
 
goin4length;307684 said:
My apologies for posting this on your thread but your inbox was full............


Was just reading your post on the science behind clamping....I just started a heavy clamping routine in hopes of gaining lots of girth and you may have stopped me from wasting time and injury so THANK YOU!! I love your scientific outlook and as a student of science myself I have to say everything that you said makes perfect sense and I have been at this (Penis Enlargement) for almost 4 years now with very minimal gains and lately I've been killing my penis in hopes of changing that. If you could explain how the fluid build up actaully works that'd be great, not strong in bio so I don't follow how blood can diffuse out of the viens.

Thanks to you I have decided to practice what I knew all along...you need to work smarter not harder. I've been at clamping for the last 2 months and have worked up to 2- 20 minute sessions everyother day. My stretching routine consists of the phase one routine but with 5 or each instead of 3 and a couple 1 minute bundled a-stretches.

If you could give me some advice and let me know what your recent experiences have showed you that would just make my day. I'm wondering should I take some time off to decon? And how do you approach manual stretches and girth exercises now? I think I can understand why short squeezes are good for girth but why not pull as hard as possible when doing manual stretches?

Looking forward to hearing from you. Your words have truely reshaped my pe carreer! THANKS again!
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Well if this comment is directed towards me, (and I assume it is based on the fact that you have chosen to look at Clamping from the scientific stand point, rather than the dogmatic point of view of 'no pain no gain' (which is backed by the gains of some lucky members on these boards... and some not so honest ones that are trying to make a financial profit from the general ignorance clouding this matter)), thank you.


Unfortunately, I don't actively participate on these forums anymore, unless I feel there's something worth saying.


In any discussion, you put forth, for yourself and others alike, the pros and cons of a situation, and the why's and if's of which stand to take regarding the matter.

I believe that you should be honest, at the very least with yourself. Listen to your body. The process of growth is a natural one, and naturally, an easy, effortless route, if you have the patience for it.


In Zen, there's a story about a hard working young man and his lazy brother, who right at sun down would run home to enjoy his life while the hard working brother would stay ever longer hours to work. unfortunately, the hard worker got only slightly better results than his lazy counterpart.. So out of frustration, he refused to go home at night. 'i want to help the plants grow' he said... and worked all night long.

The next morning, every plant in his farm was dead, cause he had pulled each one up a little.


I feel there is a very interesting parallel between this story and Penis Enlargement, and bodybuilding, and life in general. The ones with the best gains, are never the ones that stick to it 100%. They're the ones that put effortless effort and have the patience of appreciating the process of growth rather than waiting for the end result.


Now science has proven to us, that once you try to stress an already inflamed biological entity, you get no growth from it... only resistance to growth, and this is done in our bodies through proliferation of scar tissue.



There is quite a bit of information out there, all you need to do, is ask the right questions, and don't listen to idiotic claims that others make intending to give you the illusion that there is a short cut to growth. There isn't. Don't confuse quality, rigid, LEAN, girth with fluid build up, spongy clamped penis.

They are not created equal under God. One however, requires more patience (and intelligence), than the other. ;)... you pick which path you wish to go. I chose the wrong one in the beginning, that's why I started this thread, to help people see what I had to find out after many injuries, and no results.

Vkay
 
Hiya VK, sorry to hear you dont visit here often anymore but like me time is spent everywhere else. I understand what you say and like the way of thinking. What you say with the whole patience and that the body cant be forced into the biological change is exact and proven Science. With regards to fitness is the same, but many men will never train properly in a million years as the 'More is better' attitude and being at the gym 5 times a week for several hours a sitting is the common misconception .. we know better and I salute you sir for seeing that. I hope your not reffering to the dogmatic lucky gainers as ones like me as I'm not dogmatic with this whole clamping-thing but rather believe in its merit and workings for me, and just wanted to try to get that out to the mass here. I do accept others views and respect them, it didnt work well for you and sadly that is something that happens with many ventures in this lifetime .. it aint going to work for eveyone, like hanging weights from the penis doesnt work for everyone ... but you TRIED and thats all that matters plus the fact you have information from that experience to share now with others and this is VALUED .. dont be afraid of those who flame! Well, sure as you we're saying, its patience and is exactly along those lines I preach which is intense sessions done on a irreguler basis such as every 4-7 days and more when your advanced. The body NEEDS time to repair itself with stores of energy thats reserved when such emergencies occur and than and only than will growth occur. Allot of folk who see gains especially in girth over a few days are merely looking at fluid and a swollen penis from the exercise, the bodies way of fighting what just occured to it and the initial shock placed to the body i.e. we know what a overzelous pumping session does!

Hope all goes well in your ventures and travels in this lifetime.

Red'
 
no bud, you weren't the one I was referring to, although your methods are quite extreme, you are far from dogmatic, and from what I know you've never tried making a profit from preaching your ways.


As I said, I have nothing against any of the members here. Just stating in this forum some of my findings, and my personal take on Extreme clamping. For some it might work just fine. ;)


How are things with you these days? did you finally reach your length goal?
 
Cool my freind. I havent been doing any pe for awhile but I sense my length has grown slightly, maybe 1/4 inch or slightly less. Seems to me its longer erect than it was in the ''old'' days and thats from now Penis Enlargement!! I would love to be around 9 inches erect length .. that would be the iceing on the cake for me .. than sort my bollocks out and get them hanging lower to rid that turkey neck I have .. sorted.
 
That sucks . I would love to start clamping again , but im to scared i will get injured , if you change your mind pm me? I dont mind paying you to make me a video :)
 
Remii, after your serious injury and the catheter being inserted inside you I do not think you should ever try clamping again.
 
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Alright, so if less can be more, perhaps what is needed is a push-pull strategy. Alternate days between intense clamping and intense stretching, including twisted/bundled/whatever you call them stretches to target the tunica.
 
NSB503;335795 said:
Alright, so if less can be more, perhaps what is needed is a push-pull strategy. Alternate days between intense clamping and intense stretching, including twisted/bundled/whatever you call them stretches to target the tunica.
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That in no way represents the 'less is more' concept. To the body, both of those are actions which merit an inflammatory response. In short, you will quickly get overtrained.


My 2 cents anyways.


VKay
 
I want to comment on what an important thread this is. Training girth most of us have wavered from one end to the other and here we sit still. I recently re-read BigGirthas posts on Thunder's (who achieved 2 inches of girth increase) who advocated sub maximum clamping for longer periods throughout the day, every day. This type of training for me is far less tiring than 100% clamping even for only a few sets in one day. I have done the routine for 3 weeks and my girth is going in the right direction. the problem is I cannot comment on what has actually been gained as I am constantly experiencing temporary gains as well from the work.

It makes sense to me that if EQ is strong, more tunica expanding would provide more gains than less. That means both in time and in tension. The way to gauge this in my eyes is to lessen the tension enough to produce more time.

... But then again, that is what this topic is trying to answer. What is really best. To me, whatever is gaining people the most girth is best.
 
Penis Enlargement is not only a psychological addiction, it's a physical addiction. I keep thinking about it all the time, feeling weak over my body, and other things, when I am not stretching my cock(hanging/ADS) or working it with my hands or a pump.

I don't know if I could honestly "quit" for a month, oh, the horror!
 
Great try but most probably not enough in time and intensity.
5 weeks daily clamping and never sore means not enough intensity.
5 weeks is good but not enough. I did several 2-6 weeks campaigns and did gain only minimally from them.

Have to go towards some fatigue and soreness either via intensity, frequency or duration.
 
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