Results of 5 weeks of Clamping Everyday with minimal Rest

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Vaseline_Knight

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Hey Everyone

As many of you know, 5 weeks ago, I decided to try for one month, to Clamp everyday, AM and PM, and take rests minimally.


The routine:


I averaged 65 minutes in the clamp, meaning some days more, some days less, but usually had 2-3 clamp sets in the morning, and 5-6 sets at night. I jelqed in between sets, and near the end of the month, tried clamping with a condom to minimize fluid buildup and maximize the strain on the Tunica, as I stated in a thread. Each clamp set lasted around 10-15 minutes.



I sat for 5 mins in the bath with HOT water as warm up. A MUST if u wanna clamp this intense. I followed this with 200 jelqs to 'prime' the penis for expansion, and I would do 100 jelqs at medium/high intensity (2 seconds each rep) between clamp sets.

How I clamp:

I wrap slightly above the base, and I put on the Air Clamp. Half of the wrap is under the Air Clamp, and half of it is above the clamp on my shaft. I get 100% errect, push the Air Clamp towards my pubic bone and then pump up.

I usually let this stay for the first set.

Second set, after 1-2 mins of being in the Air Clamp, I put a Cable Clamp on the wrap and tighten it a couple of clicks. The pressure is very intense and I've noticed if I don't progressively tighten I can get a little blood out of the urethra.

Third Set and up, I apply a second cable clamp. So in total one Air Clamp (mainly there for maintaining errection without need for adult entertainment) and 2 cable clamps (to provide intense pressure).


What My dick realized


Perhaps THE most interesting thing noted was that I rarely felt overworked or sore. Even after a very fatiguing set at night, I could easily train again in the morning with consitent post work out expansion of 0.5 to 1". My tunica wasn't getting overtrained in the sense that I wouldn't 'shrivel' up after workout and hung quite heavy throughout the day and woke up with great wood in the morning.

An unexpected Surprise (or as the chinese say SUPPLIES)

I was quite happy and convinced that such a consistant routine would lead to gains and that rest would only hinder gains. I had a 'special' night comming up so I decided to take one day, so that my errection doesn't suffer from the clamping (as it has once embaressed me with a dick that barely got to 5.5" EG cause i couldnt get fully hard.... I'd told her alot about my 'size' and earlier that day clamping had given me a 6.5" mid shaft girth, but when it got to it.. Mr. Willy was too tired to perform).

Anyhow, I took a day off, and the date got pushed back one day. So I had two days of no Penis Enlargement only to find out, on the date that my 'date' had JUST gotten her period.>:( ... the next day I went back to my Penis Enlargement with my pissed off penis and i did a good 10 minute warm up in the hot bath, did 200 warm up jelqs, and applied the air clamp the same way as I've explained above.

by the end of the first set, i noticed I had alot of little bruises / red spots all over my shaft and on my glans. ?:(?:( I applied the second set with an additional Cable Clamp. I could barely finish the set. I was feeling sooo much fatigue on the sides of my penis, exactly where the CC chambers are, and so much pressure right underneath the glans, around the CS chamber. All places where Tunica exists.

The next day, I tried to Penis Enlargement and found my penis to still be verryyy fatigued. It was as if I could feel little micro tears in the tunica.


Gains after 4 weeks on this routine

Next to none. My temporary post workout girth was getting more and more impressive, but my dry pre-Penis Enlargement girth hasn't changed much.




What I concluded

This got me thinking. How did this happen? I was never getting fatigued clamping INTENSLEY for around 65 mins on average, and yet 2 mild clamp sets exhausted my tunica more than all those days combined.

I realized, the 'Temp' Gains I was realizing everyday, wasnt necissarily fluid build up, but it wasn't 'Tunica break down and repaired as larger' either. What I realized was that my tunica was the same size as before, except it was now more flexible.

To the point that the internal pressure wasn't causing micro tears in the collegeneous tissue of the Tunica. The tissue had 'adjusted' to this routine everyday pressure and expanding accordingly to accomodate the internal pressure and prevent breakdown'.


Final Words

This was something I needed to do myself as I was always torn between the 'rest' school of thought, and the DLD/SWM 'no rest is needed' mind frame. Perhaps for some people this will work, but for me, I've definately come to the conclusion that the body adapts to this pressure with elasticity and though in the long run some gains might be made, its not optimal for girth.

While training length, this mentality might work, because as we train everyday, the Tunica gets more elastic and in turn better able to accomodate stress. Hangers can (and should) increase the weight needed to always keep the tunica in this increased elasticity state until platic deformation occurs and the tunica cannot go back to its original state.

With Girth, and Clamping, the pressure can only be increased to a certain degree, beyond which injury is inevitable. So I dont recomend training everyday if you wish to make Gains in girth.

It was OBVIOUS to me (after thinking about it quite a bit) that what happened to me was that my tunica had become too used to the pressure and was accomodating the pressure induced by clamping without losing elasticity and reaching plastic deformation.

What I believe will work, is if one Penis Enlargement's such that everytime we Penis Enlargement, that internal and Fascial (tunica) fatigue is felt. If we can train on this fine line, and Fatigue the Tunica just enough to break it down without letting it adapt to accomodate the internal pressure, then permanent girth gains will be realized.


I've been reading quite a bit on the IPR protocol today and yesterday, and found Xeno's findings to be in great agreement with what I went through this past month.

I'm gonna try and Penis Enlargement/Clamp 1 day on, 2 days off while ADC'ing those days to keep the penis in an expanded state for at least 4 hours a day, for a month, or something along those lines, and report back.

In the Penis Enlargement days, I will create an incremental increase in the tunica, and keep the penis slightly engorged to prevent the little tears to close up and from going back to their original state. (to heal in the extended state is what I'm shooting for)

Then I will create more micro tears. and so on.


I would appreciate any inputs on this or on the IPR protocol or any other rest theories out there.


Vkay
 
Interesting findings. I've noted similar changes in my penis' conditioning when I go everyday and when I go once every 2-3 days. The expansion is a bit less when I've rested more but my gains over the same time frame are greater. For me it's only been recently that I've started gaining in girth again, but I'm getting ever closer to 6" and that makes me happy. When I was working girth everyday for about a 6 month period, with the occasional missed day I gained about .25" and with this new 2-3 days in between sessions I'm close to gaining that in about 1/4 the time. Good experiment, and keep us posted on the IPR theory and what you experience.
 
millionman said:
Interesting findings. I've noted similar changes in my penis' conditioning when I go everyday and when I go once every 2-3 days. The expansion is a bit less when I've rested more but my gains over the same time frame are greater. For me it's only been recently that I've started gaining in girth again, but I'm getting ever closer to 6" and that makes me happy. When I was working girth everyday for about a 6 month period, with the occasional missed day I gained about .25" and with this new 2-3 days in between sessions I'm close to gaining that in about 1/4 the time. Good experiment, and keep us posted on the IPR theory and what you experience.
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I was actually interested and waiting for your input specifically.
Can you elaborate how you train? do you do anything on the 2-3 days off Penis Enlargement?
 
Xenolith said:
IPR Theory based Penis Enlargement training protocol:​



Inflammation, Proliferation, Remodeling. All three phases are equally important. Although in the conventional context of IPR Theory, a single injury occurs and then goes through this cycle over the course of many months, in my experience, the concept can be applied in the context of Penis Enlargement effectively at (at least two) different temporal scales: micro-scale (2-3 day cycle) and macro-scale (2-3 months) protocols, during which, the I and P phases are manipulated to a high degree.

Inflammation: can presumably be done with any of the conventional Penis Enlargement training methods: hanging, stretching, jelqing, clamping, pumping. I’ve used it successfully with hanging, jelqing and clamping. The goal is to cause tissue strain in the direction of desired growth. In my experience, which admittedly has been largely length focused, IPR concepts have appeared to be somewhat more conducive to length growth than girth growth, but I use IPR protocols irrespective of the type of gains I’m seeking and have had it work well for girth focused gains campaigns also. For the most part, I’ve employed hanging coupled with wet jelqing as my general IPR based training. In that context, I’ve focused much of my attention on how to most effectively and safely inflame my penile tissues. At this point, I think moderate weight hanging is the most effective and safest means. What constitutes “moderate” will depend on the conditioning level of your tissues.

Proliferation: is done with the aid of an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] device in the case of length focused work or a cock ring, Thera-P wristband, etc. in the case of girth focused work. The goal of the P phase is to keep the tissues that were strained during the I phase aligned in as close as possible to the same direction that the I phase stressor was aligned. This facilitates cellular growth (mitosis) along the same vectors (of initial strain) by means of distraction histogenesis, a term which basically means preferentially directed mitosis. Therefore, in the case of [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] wearing, one should orient it in the as close to the direction of their I phase stressor as possible.

Remodeling: is rest. Simple. Leave it alone.

Micro-scale IPR: Inflame in the morning (for instance). Proliferate, micro-P phase, with [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for support of length focused training, or with a cock ring, Thera-P wristband, etc., for support of girth focused training, for the rest of the day. Remodeling, micro-R phase begins at the end of the training day, at which point I rest my tissues for either 36 hrs (overnight + 1 full day) or 60 hrs (overnight + 2 full days). Repeat. Of course, training methods other than hanging can be used.

Macro-scale IPR: can be done in or out of the context of micro-scale IPR. When done in the context of micro-scale IPR, one considers all of their micro-scale work to be the I phase of their macro-scale IPR training, and therefore terminates their micro-scale training cycle after ~2 weeks and initiates the macro-scale P phase, which initially consists of [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] or cock ring use for as much of every day as possible and tapers down in daily usage until an additional 4 weeks of time has elapsed. At which point the macro-scale P phase is terminated and the macro-scale R phase is initiated, with rest for at least 2 months.

In formulating the magnitude of “work”, where work = frequency x volume (or load), of my training within individual gains campaigns, I consider the form of my “characteristic (gains) function”, which is to say, I fit a trendline to my (typically length, although I’ve used girth and volume as well) gains vs. time curve and then, in accordance with concepts described by Fibonacci number sequence theory, I plot the inverse of the reciprocal of that curve, which I then scale to a 3 week time interval, the interval that I’ve empirically determined yields the greatest positive feedback/least negative feedback, and, is consistent with concepts described by IPR tissue healing systematics. By solving for the nth derivative of the nth degree polynomial that defines the work vs. time curve explicitly for the day being considered, one can determine the theoretical optimum work amount for that day.

Of course the scales of the characteristic gains function and the work function are different, but, as described by fractal theory, the shapes can be thought to be manifestations of each other, and therefore, in accordance with cybernetic biofeedback concepts, the use of the (scaled to IPR appropriate scale version of the) inverse of the reciprocal (or, if you prefer, inverse of the mirror image) of the characteristic curve, is well justified. Indeed, when the individual gains campaign curve is plotted on the same axes as the work curve, they almost always form a closed loop, which serves to confirm the veracity and applicability of the method.

In all of my modeling, the point of maximum inflection of the work vs. time curve is located very near the 14 day mark (actually, its almost always at day 12) as is ultimately, of course, defined by the point of maximum inflection of my characteristic gains curve. Therefore, in practice, I generally consider the ~2 week point to be the point where my body’s physiology is beginning to most significantly change from one of positive feedback (i.e. gains) to one of negative feedback (i.e. conditioning, which is really a whole other subject that demands consideration of collagen speciation and fibrosis systematics, but the characteristic gains function incorporates these). As such, its at ~ 2 weeks that I should stop my I phase work. Experience has shown that I typically achieve ~ 75% of the possible gains that I can make in any given gains campaign within the first 2 weeks. Use of a millimeter scale/ruler is a good idea). Sympathetically, it would follow that ~ 25% of the possible conditioning has occurred to that point as well. As such, 2 weeks has shown itself to be something of a break point, beyond which one’s return on investment falls precipitously. Also, as predicted by Fibonacci number theory, one can reasonably expect that the “take off point” with respect to conditioning, of each succeeding gains campaign will be incrementally greater than that of the one before. By pursuing the “expensive” last ~25% of gains, we are deflecting up in conditioning space the “landing point” of our current gains campaign as well as deflecting into higher conditioning space the “take off point” of our subsequent gains campaign. Therefore, IMO, its foolish to chase that last 25% of available gains at the expense of 75% of the available conditioning. Beyond the fact that doing so buys you less and less gains with more and more investment, it also raises the cost of your next “cheap” gains in our next gains campaign.

To do this method rigorously requires that one identify their characteristic gains function, which requires that one has kept track of their gains as a function of time and can plot them. If that can be done, one need not use calculus, one can simply superimpose the two plots graphically, and then re-label the ordinate (y-axis) in simple dimensionless integer units (1,2,3) which represent work multiplier coefficients, by which the starting value of work will be multiplied during the course of the gains campaign. In my experience of solving for work multiplier coefficients quantitatively, the 2 week point typically plots at a work multiplier coefficient of ~1.5, with the 3 week point typically correlating to a work multiplier coefficient of ~2.5.

One can multiply their Penis Enlargement work by increasing frequency and/or load. In the simplest case of jelqing, it makes most sense to simply increase the frequency, which in this context means # of jelq strokes, not duration of time between jelq strokes or duration of time between sessions. I’ll get to a discussion of the latter of these types of frequency in a moment. So what this means is that on day 1 of gains campaign A, one does, say X1 jelqs, then wears [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for the rest of the day, then rests for the next 2 days and then on day 4, does X1 x (day 4 work multiplier coefficient) jelqs (call it X2), wears [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for the rest of the day, then rests for the next 2 days and then on day 7, does X2 x (day 7 work multiplier coefficient) jelqs (call it X3), etc, until day 13, upon which (unless one can’t fight the urge to go after those “expensive” 25% gains), one transitions to macro P phase work and wears [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for ~4weeks, transitioning (linearly) over this time from high wearing time (P-phase) to high not wearing time (R-phase), ultimately transitioning to pure rest (R-phase) after the 4th week of [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] wearing and continues with pure rest for 2 months before initiating gains campaign B. 3 months is recommended in the case of having pushed one’s I-phase work into a third week. Which in and of itself is a good reason to not push one’s gains campaigns into a third week, not to mention those that I’ve mentioned already.

For this (low erection, i.e. length targeting) jelqing example we’ll start with, say 200 jelqs and a work multiplier coefficient of 1.1, which when coupled with a 1 day, 2 days off session frequency to approximate what looks like the “sweetspot” of work progression for the first 2 weeks. So, the first 2 weeks of our example would look like this:

Day 1: 200 jelqs, Day 4: 200 x 1.1 = 220 jelqs, Day 7: 220 jelqs x 1.1 = 242 jelqs, Day 10: 242 jelqs x 1.1 = 266 jelqs, Day 13: 266 jelqs x 1.1 = 293 jelqs.

Notice that at the ~2 week point, our work has increased relative to our starting point, by a factor of ~ 1.5. Because this corresponds well with the work multiplier coefficients that I’ve calculated for and solved for graphically, I think a work multiplier coefficient of 1.1 in the context of a 1 day on/2 days off session frequency is about the sweetspot for the IPR protocol (as based on MY physiological response systematics). So, on Day 14, we would begin our macro-P phase work, using, for this case of a length targeting gains campaign, our [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for as much time per day as we can muster (at the start of the phase, tapering off usage a little each day until we reach zero usage 4 weeks later). There are two very important aspects of P-phase work. The first applies to all P-phase work: The P-phase work, whether it’s length supporting, as in [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] or girth supporting, as in cock ring, should be done at a relatively low level. The one thing we don’t want to do is have the P-phase work appear to our body as I phase work. That is an extremely counterproductive occurrence. So keep the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] tension low and the cock ring not too tight. With respect to macro-P phase work, it’s very important that we taper the usage from high-P phase/low R phase at the beginning of the macro-P phase to low-P phase/high-R phase at the end of the macro-P phase. The idea is to have a smooth handoff to the macro-R phase.

If we are to continue to chase gains during this gains campaign (which I don’t recommend) we will have to accelerate the velocity of our work, which means that we’ll have to increase the rate of our increase in work. Again, the magnitude of this increase can be solved for explicitly by means of calculus or graphically, but it requires that one has plotted their gains vs. time. For those that haven’t, using a work multiplier coefficient of 1.15 and increasing the frequency of sessions to every other day will approximate the indicated rate increase that I’ve computed in most of my analyses. So, in this example, the 3rd week’s training would consist of:

Day 15: 293 jelqs x 1.15 = 337 jelqs, Day 17: 337 jelqs x 1.15 = 387 jelqs, Day 19: 387 jelqs x 1.15 = 445 jelqs, Day 21: 445 jelqs x 1.15 = 512 jelqs.

Notice that at the ~3 week point, our work has increased relative to our starting point, by a factor of ~ 2.5. So this regimen corresponds well with the regimens that I’ve calculated (again, based on MY physiological response systematics).

The most fundamental difference that this Penis Enlargement training philosophy has with that of many others that one may find on the Forum is that its truly cybernetic, as the form of one’s training is prescribed by the form of one’s physiological response to one’s training. Another important aspect of this training protocol that is in sharp contrast to many others is the importance of tissue healing. It’s the most important part of the protocol.

I’ll be on Big Dick Island. I wish you all good luck in your efforts to navigate to it. If you’d like to have more than luck on your side, I suggest that you find, formulate or adopt a strategy. Feel free to adopt mine.

I’ll keep an eye out for sails on the horizon. There’s almost always an offshore wind, but if you’re an able sailor with a sound strategy, you’ll find the lee shore.

Godspeed.
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that theory is interesting, altough i simply could not imagine peing 5 times every 3 months (not including p phase) and seeing awesome results. has anyone used this theory (to the word) and gained big?
 
EVO said:
that theory is interesting, altough i simply could not imagine peing 5 times every 3 months (not including p phase) and seeing awesome results. has anyone used this theory (to the word) and gained big?
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Apparently alot of people over at thunder's swear by it.
In Body Building Terms, it makes no sense, but then again, this isn't skeletal muscle we're dealing with.

I'm gonna somewhat try this for the first two weeks, and see how I respond to it. Decemeber is Exam month, followed by Partying, so It'd be a good 4-5 weeks to allow rest.
 
Good information man... I have a question for anyone, if your penis is still sore is it ok to still work it out the next day or two? or should it be fully healed in order to start up agian???
 
StretchForReal said:
Good information man... I have a question for anyone, if your penis is still sore is it ok to still work it out the next day or two? or should it be fully healed in order to start up agian???
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Well according to this theory, NO. you should give it rest.

They say that when we stress our penises with Penis Enlargement, the increased volume and spaces are filled with Type III collegen (which is easy to break down). If were were to overtrain our penises, however, Type I collegen (which apparently is much tougher and harder to break down) is secreted, and in turn this will halt our gains to a stop.
 
so before starting something like this would it be necessary to take a decon break?
i hardly ever see any gains from 2 weeks of any training, not even as a newbie. >:(
 
Very interesting thread. I to have been using the no rest approach for 5-6 weeks also... but I seem to have gained! I took fri, sat, sun off (adventure trip, so cold and wet) then measured today, I've gained .2" in midshaft girth.
I'm also a hard gainer as girth is concerned so I'm over the moon with this gain.
Also, as I'm pumped pretty much 24/7 I'm usally .3-.4 up in girth.

I work at least twice a day with adc at night. The focus in these sessions is expansion, so I always have the tape handy.
I use a mix of Dash wraps (cloth) with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] and Wall Presses then Dash wrap with rope for final girth measurement... aim at .5 increase.

I'll try this IPR theory if I stop gaining and see how it goes.

Chi's tunica finding is VERY interesting also and needs looking into.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
Well according to this theory, NO. you should give it rest.

They say that when we stress our penises with Penis Enlargement, the increased volume and spaces are filled with Type III collegen (which is easy to break down). If were were to overtrain our penises, however, Type I collegen (which apparently is much tougher and harder to break down) is secreted, and in turn this will halt our gains to a stop.
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right on, thank vaseline, good information about the science too, much appreciated. make sure to keep the vitamin C flowing, it good for building collegen.
 
5 times in 3 months...if that, or EVER sounds like about how often MOST of the "men" on Thundersplace actually Penis Enlargement. Totally makes sense that it would be such a popular theory over there!rofl rofl rofl rofl
 
Well, personally my routine usually falls in line with what my schedule will allow. This usually means that I Penis Enlargement 3-4 days a week with 3-4 rest days. This last week I got in 3 sessions back to back to back and then I took off 2 days in a row. I fluctuate, but I make sure that I get AT LEAST 2 days, and I prefer to get 3-4 days off. I notice that my erection quality is much better when I take 2-3 days off back to back, and this usually means that I'm able to get to a full erection and get a nice solid fluid-less measurement. As of last measurement I came in at a bit under 5.75".

My routine has been primarily length and girth over the last month or two, but the last few weeks my hands were feeling pretty torn up from lifting and Penis Enlargement so I gave the manual stretches a break, but I've gone to a double clamp session in the late evening and I've been seeing improvements already. Tonight and last night I went into the pump for the first time in months, and I got to about a 5.9" girth after my second set in the clamps. I'll be starting back with my manual work this week, and I honestly think with length you CAN and probably should do some everyday, at least [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], but then again length for me has been really stubborn and this has been the only thing to get it moving again.

Basically the IPR theory can be used as is or it can and probably should be modified. Xeno was very meticulous in his routines and details kept. However, I think too many off days can be counterproductive. For me the sweet spot seems to be 2-3 days off with 1-2 days of Penis Enlargement back to back. If my expansion isn't as good one night compared to the night before then I back off and take some time to let things return to normal. Usually my erections start to lose some of the hardness gained from Penis Enlargement after 3 sessions in a row. As long as you know when to rest and when to work then rest days WILL be beneficial.
 
goldmember said:
Basing the effectiveness of a routine off 5 weeks results? Especially as a long-time Penis Enlargement'er?
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Well, no. You know me well enough to know I take quite a bit of time researching and thinking things over before making a statement.

The 5 week routine wasn't what showed me the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of this routine. As I said, what rang a bell was the amount of fatigue I felt after a 2 day break, compared to all the much more intense routines I was doing.

I was also thinking about the history of my gains.
I've always been trying to reproduce what gave me my post newbie gains.
I gained .25" of length initially in 2 weeks which boosted me to slightly over 6 inches. I was around 16 at the time around november. I wasn't really motivated at that time in my life cause i didnt have much exposure to girls, and the ones that I did have exposure too where 14-15, and had barely ever seen a penis.

when I pe'd again, it was summer, and did it again for 2 weeks (without ejaculation) and gained another .25". again around 6 months of no Penis Enlargement, and a one month period of no ejaculation and with a 5 day on , 2 day off routine of just jelqing, I gained yet another .25 inches. I was around 6 3/4" and i remember i did Penis Enlargement inconsistantly for some days, but never enough and didnt gain. the summer I was turning 19 (summer of 2002), I did another 30 day period when I went on vacation with family. My bpfsl went from 6 3/4 to slightly over 7 inches. I stopped Penis Enlargement'ing around mid july and didn't Penis Enlargement till october, when I did another 30 day routine and gained another .25".

After my last 0.25" gain, having moved out on my own, and feeling the NEED for size more and more, I started to do Penis Enlargement on and off in hopes of gaining an inch in 2-3 months of consistent Penis Enlargement as it seemed natural to me with my consisten rate of .25" every 2-3 weeks. I kept Penis Enlargement'ing almost 5 days a week but I didnt have the dicipline to not ejaculate, and i made no gains what so ever. I was also inconsistent as in I was Penis Enlargement'ing sometimes 5 days in a row, sometimes 10 days in a row.

Frustrated, I was convinced that in order to gain i must decipline myself and not ejaculate for 30 days. It was tough but doable, cause at this time (fall of 2003) i was consistantly having sex. But I did it, with a strict Penis Enlargement regimen, and no ejaculation, and guess what... NO GAINS.

I never really understood why I didn't gain from that routine as I had from all the other ones. But university pressure and girls made me forget all about Penis Enlargement very quickly.

I didn't Penis Enlargement until the following summer, summer of 2004, I had to go to vacation with my family, and I decided to go on a Penis Enlargement regimen for 30 days and not ejaculate. I remember I didn't gain at all for the first 2 weeks. I was jelqing and using a sock hanger doing 3 sets at 5 lbs, one SD and one to each side, Penis Enlargement'ing for 5 days on and 2 days in a row off. I remember measuring the day before my second week's rest. no gains. after the 2 days of rest, I couldnt believe my eyes. My fsl went from around 7.2" to 7 5/8th.

Happy that I had found the KEY to Penis Enlargement (not ejacualting) and ignoring that one time that I didnt gain even though I refrained from ejaculation, I went ahead with a consistent Penis Enlargement routine, never really resting, but never really into it enough to do 30 day regimens. until spring of 2005, I did another 30 day thing, with no gains. kept Penis Enlargement'ing harder, still no gains. July of 2005 until today I have Penis Enlargement'd non stop. Some of you guys know of my consistent presence on these forums. but again, Aside from some minor gains in girth, over the last year and 4 months, I have nothing to show for all my efforts.



until this recent clamping routing of 5 weeks, which was also non ejaculatory. I realized, the true COMMON factor IN ALL MY GAINS wasn't the fact that I wasn't ejaculating. I'm sure that enhanced my gains, I have no doubt about that. What was the true common factor in all my gains was that my penis had deconditioned for a good couple of months before starting the routine. my most recent gain of 7.2 to 7 5/8 was the steepest gain I have ever realized and if it wasn't for that gain I would have thrown in the towel by now thinking that my other gains were newbie gains and that I have maxed out.

It happened after 2 weeks. And Xeno's IPR confirms this.


I'm not trying to convince anyone to Penis Enlargement less or to Penis Enlargement more. This is just my observation and my understanding so far of how Penis Enlargement truely works. Fortunately I have my own gains to guide me through. Perhaps some people can consistantly gain from Penis Enlargement without decon breaks. It truely hasn't been the case for me as I have had the presistance, the dicipline and the patience to stick to Penis Enlargement even though I haven't gained much the past 2 years and four months.

I have been Penis Enlargement'ing for 7 years. My only effort in making these threads is that IF i do something that leads to gains, for it to be transparent, and for others with similar physiology to mine to understand that they're not the only ones who are not seeing gains and that sometimes LESS is MORE.







again university started and I forgot all about Penis Enlargement. During the Winter, around february, I did another 30 day of no ejaculation which got me to 7.2" bpfsl.

I didn't Penis Enlargement anymore untill the summer of 2004.
 
10inchadvantage said:
I don't think I could stop for even two weeks of doing Penis Enlargement, unless I was on a trip to Europe or somewhere.
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I'm the same way. Addicted. but wait for 2 years with no gains, and you'll be willing to try anything for gains... well, almost anything :P
 
gimmegirth said:
Very interesting thread. I to have been using the no rest approach for 5-6 weeks also... but I seem to have gained! I took fri, sat, sun off (adventure trip, so cold and wet) then measured today, I've gained .2" in midshaft girth.
I'm also a hard gainer as girth is concerned so I'm over the moon with this gain.
Also, as I'm pumped pretty much 24/7 I'm usally .3-.4 up in girth.

I work at least twice a day with adc at night. The focus in these sessions is expansion, so I always have the tape handy.
I use a mix of Dash wraps (cloth) with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] and Wall Presses then Dash wrap with rope for final girth measurement... aim at .5 increase.

I'll try this IPR theory if I stop gaining and see how it goes.

Chi's tunica finding is VERY interesting also and needs looking into.
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Can you post a link?
Chi is another one of those very well informed members at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. Would love to know what he thinks about this.
 
I'm still pretty new at Penis Enlargement but this is the first that I am hearing regarding the buildup of collagen being negative and as a result of Penis Enlargement. I thought it was true that the very actions of Penis Enlargement were what caused gains and don't remember hearing anything about the body trying to combat it.

I'm really confused by this post as it relates to all of the routines I have seen to date.

Currently I wet jelq 2x a day 400 each session with DLD A stretches - pretty much following phase 2 as best I can. The time committment is pretty steep but I have been forcing myself to comply - trying to gain as much as I can as quickly as possible.

What are the vets opinions on this post? - it is very scientific which leads me to believe that it is valid (as a non-math guy I have trouble following it).
 
You seem to have made all your gains during 30-day hardcore, avoid ejaculation periods...following a decon break. On average, how long were the decon breaks before you jumped beack into it? Also, did you do any maintenance routines following the 30-day hardcore period?

The reason I ask is that I might be needing a decon pretty soon. I haven't had as much as one month off since april, and the longest period I've had off since then has been one day here and there. I am not sure how long to decon, or if any maintenance is needed while I decon. Would you say something like 3-6 months of Penis Enlargement followed by 1-2 months off is a good idea?
 
GM, I wouldn't over think this issue. The best way I can tell you is to decon for a month or so, if you feel like you need a longer break go for it. If you feel like you need 203 days off go for it. Sometimes it's the mental aspect of Penis Enlargement that can get to us, and with IPR that kind of eleminates the mental grind, as well as the idea of I MUST Penis Enlargement, BECAUSE I MUST Penis Enlargement. I notice that after 2-3 days of no Penis Enlargement that I want to Penis Enlargement but also the my penis is ready to Penis Enlargement again.

With things like tissue hardening and too frequent sessions, then a decon break really is a must. Tissue hardening is usually pretty apparent when your skin gets to feeling sort of tough and beat up as well as the penis not being as reactive to the exercises you perform. For me it's most noticeable in erection quality and how my penis reacts to manual stretching. If I'm really loose and pliable during my stretching sessions it's a good day but if there's little to no bounce back and my penis is kind of "dead" then I know I need a few days rest for things to return to normal.
 
goldmember said:
You seem to have made all your gains during 30-day hardcore, avoid ejaculation periods...following a decon break. On average, how long were the decon breaks before you jumped beack into it? Also, did you do any maintenance routines following the 30-day hardcore period?

The reason I ask is that I might be needing a decon pretty soon. I haven't had as much as one month off since april, and the longest period I've had off since then has been one day here and there. I am not sure how long to decon, or if any maintenance is needed while I decon. Would you say something like 3-6 months of Penis Enlargement followed by 1-2 months off is a good idea?
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well my gains were 30 days on, and then completely off usually... i'd get too gain happy.

The IPR theory basically says Inflamation, Proliferation and Remodelling.

so inflamation is when you Penis Enlargement, and you cause micro tears, proliferation is when your dick fills these micro tears with new tissue, and remodelling is when the gains become permanent, and the tissue deconditions from the stress..


supposedly, you can gain for the first 2 weeks, up to 0.5 inches in length adn 0.125 in girth or more if ur routine is girth based... but if u keep Penis Enlargement'ing you can only gain 25% more before ur gains come to stop... but Xeno's experiments shwoed that if you go more than 2 weeks of Penis Enlargement then you need at least 3-4 months off Penis Enlargement to decondition and turn you're delaying ur next cycles gains.


so the IPR says, Penis Enlargement for 2 weeks, one day ON, damage your penis for X amount of time. so X amount of jelqs or like X number of minutes clamping.

then wear an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for the rest of the day if your working length, or a cock ring ADC/ANC if ur working girth, and let the proliferation which means making new meat happen in an extended state or the whole 'healing in an extended state' that BIB used to talk about. then Rest for 2 days. When you Penis Enlargement again on the 4th day, do 10% more work than the previous time, so either increase the number of jelqs, or increase the amount of time in the clamp by 10%. and keep doing this... by the 12th day, you should be doing everything 1.5 times the original time you started.



So this was the MICRO PHASE IPR. the Macro phase is like this. All you did the past two weeks, counts as the I stage, or Inflamation.

so now you let your cock proliferate, and you [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] or ADC/ANC for 4 weeks. But it has to be light enough to just barely keep your penis in an extended state and not cause anymore Inflamation.

This will make sure you cement the gains and don't lose anything when you rest.

Also, he recommends [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and ADC'ing alot at first and tapering it down to very little gradually by the end of the 4 week period so you ease into the rest period. If you were to compeletly rest all of a sudden you'd definately lose gains.


you then go to the R (Remodelling or Rest) stage, and you basically do NOTHING, and let your penis get deconditioned.


and you repeat.



I'm thinking, if i gain 0.5" EL and 0.125" EG every cycle, then after 2 cycles,
I'll be at 8 1/4 EL and 6.5+ EG. which is very good size. 2 more cycles, will put me in the 9+ EL and 6.75 EG range.


but since this routine is so easy and carefree, 4 cycles is a breeze.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
supposedly, you can gain for the first 2 weeks, up to 0.5 inches in length adn 0.125 in girth or more if ur routine is girth based... but if u keep Penis Enlargement'ing you can only gain 25% more before ur gains come to stop... but Xeno's experiments shwoed that if you go more than 2 weeks of Penis Enlargement then you need at least 3-4 months off Penis Enlargement to decondition and turn you're delaying ur next cycles gains.
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But what if you don't gain in those first 2 weeks? You seem to get incredibly quick gains, what if two weeks is never enough to produce those quick gains? Recently I have been Penis Enlargement'ing basically one week on one week off. I just started again tonight after two weeks off. I work hard everyday for one week, sometimes twice a day, keep a cockring on day and night. Then I break for a week. Anyone else do one week on one week off?
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The Mason said:
Vaseline_Knight said:
supposedly, you can gain for the first 2 weeks, up to 0.5 inches in length adn 0.125 in girth or more if ur routine is girth based... but if u keep Penis Enlargement'ing you can only gain 25% more before ur gains come to stop... but Xeno's experiments shwoed that if you go more than 2 weeks of Penis Enlargement then you need at least 3-4 months off Penis Enlargement to decondition and turn you're delaying ur next cycles gains.
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But what if you don't gain in those first 2 weeks? You seem to get incredibly quick gains, what if two weeks is never enough to produce those quick gains? Recently I have been Penis Enlargement'ing basically one week on one week off. I just started again tonight after two weeks off. I work hard everyday for one week, sometimes twice a day, keep a cockring on day and night. Then I break for a week. Anyone else do one week on one week off?
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well if you don't gain quick during that intial 2 week period, it means that you've not deconditioned enough. doing one week on and one week off doesn't at all allow for deconditioning to happen. Also, working at it everyday, apparently overtrains you. There's a very narrow region of operation to be working in to gain. 1 day on, and 2 days off seems to be it.

I haven't tried IPR myself as suggest, but I have gained very simliar to the theory suggests.
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VK that was a very solid breakdown of IPR, and I haven't seen it done so thuroughly on either board. Good work. I have to say that the IPR theory is interesting, but like other Penis Enlargement theories it has it's detractors and it's supporters.

Personally, I like the idea of rest and IPR explains the reasons for rest, but I enjoy Penis Enlargement and have gained doing what I am currently doing which is to Penis Enlargement for 1-2 days and rest for 2-3 days. This keeps me from going crazy with too much Penis Enlargement and not enough so that I feel like I'm accomplishing something and not just being a lazy bastard. Decon breaks are necessary for most of the guys here on the board who have been at it a while and not gained. The IPR idea is sound, but as far as total implementation I highly doubt that I'll ever follow it exactly.

VK, do you know anything about ADC??? I've tried this once or twice before but I can never seem to get a good setup. I like [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for both length and girth because if you're at a higher angle the tension is still on the tunica making it more elastic.
 
millionman said:
VK that was a very solid breakdown of IPR, and I haven't seen it done so thuroughly on either board. Good work. I have to say that the IPR theory is interesting, but like other Penis Enlargement theories it has it's detractors and it's supporters.

Personally, I like the idea of rest and IPR explains the reasons for rest, but I enjoy Penis Enlargement and have gained doing what I am currently doing which is to Penis Enlargement for 1-2 days and rest for 2-3 days. This keeps me from going crazy with too much Penis Enlargement and not enough so that I feel like I'm accomplishing something and not just being a lazy bastard. Decon breaks are necessary for most of the guys here on the board who have been at it a while and not gained. The IPR idea is sound, but as far as total implementation I highly doubt that I'll ever follow it exactly.

VK, do you know anything about ADC??? I've tried this once or twice before but I can never seem to get a good setup. I like [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for both length and girth because if you're at a higher angle the tension is still on the tunica making it more elastic.
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Thanks for the compliment buddy. Xenolith is an engineer, like myself, and his reasoning and thought patterns almost exactly match mine. When I was searching his threads I was surprised to find so many things that I have hypothesized about Penis Enlargement being mentioned in almost the exact same way by him. But his way of explaining his thoughts is too complex, and at times very mathematical. I'm sure anyone with 2-3 years of university calculus would be able to follow what he's saying to the point, but most people don't have the patience to read a 30+ page thread for the sake of one 'Theory'.

Your routine seems fine to me.. and if you're gaining, that's all you need to decide if you should keep doing it or not. Perhaps you did decondition from your hardcore Penis Enlargement routine and now you're successfully keeping in the 'Gain Zone' with this plan.


About your question. Yes, I have quite the background with [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] (meaning I own both an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extender[/words] and the Autoextender flexible silicone [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] with leg strap). There was a period of time that I tried wearing the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] but I didn't gain from it, probably because I could only wear it an hour at a time, and it didn't match my lifestyle... very uncomfortable.


ADC, and ANC, I haven't actually tried it with the cable clamps as some suggest. I have purchased the Stallion Cock Cushion Set from CTC, and am very impressed with them. I bought the whole set of 5 cushions, that vary in tensile strength, and hence the amount of constriction they provide. The model E is the only one I find I can wear comfortably all day. It gives an amazing flacid hang, and keeps you from 'retracting' and getting thin while not Penis Enlargement'ing.

ANC, I can only keep it on at night for 2 hours or so and I wake up and am forced to take it off.

One Note about ADC: The instruction set for the silicone rings says you have to use a non petroleum based lube and to either buy their lube or use a water based one. I recommend not using a lube at all. but take a piece of paper towel and fold it till its 2 inches wide, and wrap with it, then put the cushion on top of that. You wont even feel the cushion there.
 
Will you marry me, VK?

rofl

I don't buy into IPR 100%, but see a lot of merit in the theory. I think my clamping twice per day, seven days per week, with ANC is a bit over the top now that I get your perspective on it. At least for longer than 30 days at a time. I don't know if once every three days is enough however, and certainly not five times every four to six months! That's going a little extreme, don't you think?

Say if I were to go two weeks of very hardcore Penis Enlargement...doing 30 minutes of clamping in the morning, 100 wet jelqs every hour for ten hours during the day, then another 30 minutes of clamping before bedtime, then ANC for half the night; repeat for two weeks every single day. Then, the next four weeks of ADC and ANC as the sole means of training, slowly tapering down on the ADC/ANC. Take a few months totally off, and then repeat.

First of all, do you think the two-week hardcore session is "too much"? It is only for two weeks, but you might think that is too much, I dunno...overall, do you think it could work, not taking the two days rest as recommended?

REGARDS
 
GM, are you serious about 100 jelqs every hour for 10 hours? If you are, how in the world can you manage that?

I don't know but honestly the whole routine sounds a bit much, of course that's from someone who doesn't really like to go more than an hour sitting in one place. When I went hardcore, I had Red put together a routine, and I was so bruised and beat up that I could barely get into my jeans without screaming. There's a really fine line between Penis Enlargementing in a healthy way and being completely unhealthy. I say that a good routine utilizing a one-on-one off routine would look something like 1 1- minute set in pump, and then 1 ten minute set in clamp and repeat for another set, and on your 'off' day you could possibly do 200-300 wet jelqs. I believe that jelqing is a healing exercise that promotes proper blood flow and for me it really helps to clear fluid buildup quickly, while also promoting overall penile health. I think that's a much better approach to gaining in the long term. When it comes to off days I usually do take completely off, but I've been considering an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and jelq only day and seeing how that goes. We shall see.
 
goldmember said:
Will you marry me, VK?

rofl

I don't buy into IPR 100%, but see a lot of merit in the theory. I think my clamping twice per day, seven days per week, with ANC is a bit over the top now that I get your perspective on it. At least for longer than 30 days at a time. I don't know if once every three days is enough however, and certainly not five times every four to six months! That's going a little extreme, don't you think?

Say if I were to go two weeks of very hardcore Penis Enlargement...doing 30 minutes of clamping in the morning, 100 wet jelqs every hour for ten hours during the day, then another 30 minutes of clamping before bedtime, then ANC for half the night; repeat for two weeks every single day. Then, the next four weeks of ADC and ANC as the sole means of training, slowly tapering down on the ADC/ANC. Take a few months totally off, and then repeat.

First of all, do you think the two-week hardcore session is "too much"? It is only for two weeks, but you might think that is too much, I dunno...overall, do you think it could work, not taking the two days rest as recommended?

REGARDS
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Well here's the thing. While Penis Enlargement'ing, we're causing damage to our penile tissue. We don't wanna go after a fly with a bazooka here. I believe that an 'optimal' amount of damage sends the signal for the body to repair it bigger. we dont wanna overload the body. This principle applies to anything biological. A certain amount of something can be good while too much of it will possibly kill you. The principles of homeopathic remedies is just that.

Same principle holds in bodybuilding. While training in the 8-12 rep region for under 47 mins leads to gains, anything more than that not only stops gains but sends you to a catabolic stage where you lose the muscle you already have as well and you will be prone to injury.


I think the beauty of IPR is that you have to do a routine, then increase it by 10% everytime to keep your body guessing.

You can try both and see which works better for you. I would think that is way too much for me. And I'm a very seasoned Clamper.






And regarding your marriage proposal.... We already talked about this.... not until you reach 9x8.>:(
 
EVO said:
that theory is interesting, altough i simply could not imagine peing 5 times every 3 months (not including p phase) and seeing awesome results. has anyone used this theory (to the word) and gained big?
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i cant see that being true. i worked with rest days early in my Penis Enlargement and never noticed any gains. once i picked up intensity and the 2 a day routine, only then i started gaining. with me, i recover VERY QUICKLY and rarely get sore. im bout to hit the 2 month mark, and im lookin at almost an inch in lenght.
 
ithiel said:
i cant see that being true. i worked with rest days early in my Penis Enlargement and never noticed any gains. once i picked up intensity and the 2 a day routine, only then i started gaining. with me, i recover VERY QUICKLY and rarely get sore. im bout to hit the 2 month mark, and im lookin at almost an inch in lenght.
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That's some amazing gains.
 
ithiel said:
i cant see that being true. i worked with rest days early in my Penis Enlargement and never noticed any gains. once i picked up intensity and the 2 a day routine, only then i started gaining. with me, i recover VERY QUICKLY and rarely get sore. im bout to hit the 2 month mark, and im lookin at almost an inch in lenght.
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it may be different for everyone based on their healing ability. i think i recover slowly and that for me an intense session every other day would be beneficial. i can also see merit in the deconditioning phase for 1-2 months, because when we are newbies we gain quick then our penis gets conditioned so we stop gaining, a solution to some (certainly mine) is to increase intensity and workout frequency. but now i think that leads to overtraining. ive just started clamping, when i finish a month i will try this ipr method :)
 
ithiel said:
i cant see that being true. i worked with rest days early in my Penis Enlargement and never noticed any gains. once i picked up intensity and the 2 a day routine, only then i started gaining. with me, i recover VERY QUICKLY and rarely get sore. im bout to hit the 2 month mark, and im lookin at almost an inch in lenght.
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You're still new at this, and your gains are newbie gains. Enjoy them as your penis will soon get conditioned to the applied stress, and your gains will hit a brick wall. Then, after a good while of trying every routine out there and not gaining, if your still Penis Enlargement'ing and havent given up, you might see a point in deconditioning.

I should also add, I HATE not Penis Enlargement'ing. I'm ADC/ANC'ing right now as the only form of Penis Enlargement and even so I feel like a junkie with no drugs. I truely see merit in the deconditioning theory and that's why I'm willing to torture myself with not Penis Enlargement'ing.


Hopefully, when you see a thread "Results of 3 Months of IPR by Vaseline_Knight", I'll have some solid gains to report :blush: .

If not, I'm gonna have to take Goldmember's Hand in marriage. <:(
 
millionman said:
GM, are you serious about 100 jelqs every hour for 10 hours? If you are, how in the world can you manage that?

I don't know but honestly the whole routine sounds a bit much, of course that's from someone who doesn't really like to go more than an hour sitting in one place. When I went hardcore, I had Red put together a routine, and I was so bruised and beat up that I could barely get into my jeans without screaming. There's a really fine line between Penis Enlargementing in a healthy way and being completely unhealthy. I say that a good routine utilizing a one-on-one off routine would look something like 1 1- minute set in pump, and then 1 ten minute set in clamp and repeat for another set, and on your 'off' day you could possibly do 200-300 wet jelqs. I believe that jelqing is a healing exercise that promotes proper blood flow and for me it really helps to clear fluid buildup quickly, while also promoting overall penile health. I think that's a much better approach to gaining in the long term. When it comes to off days I usually do take completely off, but I've been considering an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and jelq only day and seeing how that goes. We shall see.
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If you do that, and then take a complete off day, you're basically doing the IPR. So one day, hardcore Penis Enlargement, then [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]/ADC, then rest.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
You're still new at this, and your gains are newbie gains. Enjoy them as your penis will soon get conditioned to the applied stress, and your gains will hit a brick wall. Then, after a good while of trying every routine out there and not gaining, if your still Penis Enlargement'ing and havent given up, you might see a point in deconditioning.

I should also add, I HATE not Penis Enlargement'ing. I'm ADC/ANC'ing right now as the only form of Penis Enlargement and even so I feel like a junkie with no drugs. I truely see merit in the deconditioning theory and that's why I'm willing to torture myself with not Penis Enlargement'ing.


Hopefully, when you see a thread "Results of 3 Months of IPR by Vaseline_Knight", I'll have some solid gains to report :blush: .

If not, I'm gonna have to take Goldmember's Hand in marriage. <:(
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Penis Enlargement is not only a psychological addiction, it's a physical addiction. I keep thinking about it all the time, feeling weak over my body, and other things, when I am not stretching my cock(hanging/ADS) or working it with my hands or a pump.

I don't know if I could honestly "quit" for a month, oh, the horror!
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
If you do that, and then take a complete off day, you're basically doing the IPR. So one day, hardcore Penis Enlargement, then [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]/ADC, then rest.
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But only for two weeks? Then one month of ADC/ANC, then three to four months of complete rest?
 
VK - great thread. Your outline of your gain cycles may be the best evidence I've seen (across many web sites) of the merit of the IRP approach and importance of deconditioning - great job. Xeno would probably really enjoy your history....

A question for you - what differences do you feel in your dick as it deconditions? Does it become more elastic? Do you loose length or girth? Many seem to have a very tough and thick tunica after a year or so of Penis Enlargement. Does that dissipate? I'm interested in trying to figure out a way to measure deconditioning progress and when it should be complete.

Good luck with the next cycle - I look forward to your findings

Thanks
 
kayaker said:
VK - great thread. Your outline of your gain cycles may be the best evidence I've seen (across many web sites) of the merit of the IRP approach and importance of deconditioning - great job. Xeno would probably really enjoy your history....

A question for you - what differences do you feel in your dick as it deconditions? Does it become more elastic? Do you loose length or girth? Many seem to have a very tough and thick tunica after a year or so of Penis Enlargement. Does that dissipate? I'm interested in trying to figure out a way to measure deconditioning progress and when it should be complete.

Good luck with the next cycle - I look forward to your findings

Thanks
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Yes, this is the main reason why I haven't entertained the idea of deconditioning, as I am afraid that I will loose a substantial amount of size. If we do lose size, what's the point of deconditioning? I could have been gaining and at least keeping my size instead of deconditioning. It's not like we'll get newbie gains again.
 
VK- Thank you for starting this thread!!!!! I've at p.e. for years and years, and have practically gained nothing.

What happens is, I could have a couple of weeks of successful p.e., then everything goes to shit. Poor erections, loss of size, loss of night erections, fatigue, pain. (Negative Physiologic Indicators; as explained by sparkyx at a thread over at Thunders)

The IPR protocol maybe the solution to my problems. At this point I have nothing to lose.
 
VK, that's correct but I'm looking at it a bit differently because so FAR I'm not having to take huge blocks of time off. I have in the past, but for me when I take a week off or two weeks off everything goes back to normal and I usually get a bit bigger than the last time I measured.

Today for instance is my third day with no Penis Enlargement and my dick feels bigger in my hand than it has every felt. There's absoutely no fluid buildup and it's fantastic. One of the primary concerns about losing gains is valid, but remember it's not going to happen in 2-3 days or even 2-3 months. I've read several threads where someone has taken 6+ months off and only lost .25" combined in girth and length. If you think about that over the whole time span it's not that much and it seems that once things calmed down enough he lost that in a short time frame and stabilized there. I know that with me on day 2 I show some rebound signs, meaning that after I've caused my penis size to shrink a bit because of healing it then rebounds to a slightly larger more full size.
 
10inchadvantage said:
Penis Enlargement is not only a psychological addiction, it's a physical addiction. I keep thinking about it all the time, feeling weak over my body, and other things, when I am not stretching my cock(hanging/ADS) or working it with my hands or a pump.

I don't know if I could honestly "quit" for a month, oh, the horror!
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To me, all that seems like THE psychological aspect of Penis Enlargement. The only physical addiction is when you're hanging low and heavy and when you're not Penis Enlargement'ing... well, you're not that 'hung'... but ADC changes that:s
 
goldmember said:
But only for two weeks? Then one month of ADC/ANC, then three to four months of complete rest?
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Well, that's the thing. Xeno picked the two weeks as 'optimal' because of his own physiology and he stressed that you should know your body well enough (through experimenting and SMART Penis Enlargement) to know when your gains come to a crawl and eventually, to a halt. It was consistent for him and several others that around the 12 day mark their gains slowed down. But I guess you have to know your own body. Here's a post by Sparky and one by Modestoman that I find are quite helpful, specially in addressing your question:


ModestoMan said:
By the way, I'm not really saying that I didn't gain, just that I didn't gain enough to make up for what I lost during the decon break that preceded this last round of Penis Enlargement. If I continue with strict IPR for one or two more iterations I could find the ruler moving in a favorable direction.

One point I wanted to make is that I based my decision to stop I-phase work on the concensus of members here that 2 weeks was adequate. Perhaps it wasn't. I think Xeno based his 2 week determination on actual measurements. He tried to find the point where his gains started to slow and decided to stop his I-phase work there.

I never did that. I never saw any gains during I-phase (at least, I don't think I did). Perhaps I should have kept going, or worked out more each day.

In other words, maybe the take-home message is that the same intensity and timing isn't optimal for everybody. We're all different and should adjust our routines accordingly.

I think IPR is a relatively sound basis for tissue generation, and I'm not ready to throw the protocol out the window yet.
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The following is, in my opinion, is a very impressive response to ModestoMan by Sparkyx and should exactly answer what 10inchadvantage just said about not stopping Penis Enlargement'ing.




sparkyx said:
MM,

I think there are a few key missing points here that I would have loved Xeno to answer, but he felt like we all took to long to come around...

Anyway, I think the 2 weeks is about right growth before it dramatically slows, but the real question is...what is the starting point?

If you aren't GETTING growth, then the 2 week period is really a useless cutoff point.

He had first found the amount of wt and time that was working for him, THEN found the optimum progression of time and was able to chart when it dramatically slowed down.

So, the real trick is you have to FIRST find a force/time and mode that is getting progress for you, then you can begin to experiment with the IPR thing.

The other question I had for him (which he wouldn't answer, because I had asked too late) was, how do you determine when decon is completed?

That's pretty critical in my opinion, and I have yet to find a satisfactory answer.

I would also like to know how he determined the length of time for the P phase, and what are the objective signs.

I doubt he is ever going to come back and answer these questions, so we are left to our own resources...which aren't too bad.

We have had a bunch of our guys that achieved similar growth in comparable times. Monty is one of those...and his approach had many similar features. As a matter of fact most of those who had good gains had many similar features in their workouts. In distilling those common features, we can get some very good guidance.

One of the things I find interesting is most guys growth slows greatly or stops at about 2 inches length gains...some go past, but damn few. I think those that go beyond should be studied closely.

My conclusions are that the 2 week time frame is a reasonable one, and should only be extended if your growth is continuing at the same rate at the end of that period...but you should be ready to shut 'er down when it slows or stops.

I personally think that when you combine this approach (in its general form) with the PI approach, you have a pretty good blueprint for sustained gains, its just a matter of finding that initial growth starting point. I think that can be best achieved by starting at a very low force/time baseline, and slowly ramping up until gains start.

I think hardgainers should start ridiculously low force/time levels, and of course, PIs should be watched very carefully to make sure you aren't overtraining.

With this approach, it may take time to find the growth point, but you WILL find it.

I think a lot of guys get into way overtraining immediately, and then never "reset" their tissues with a decon break, so find it almost impossible to find the level that works for them.

I think that if you have been experimenting with high force levels, and nothing is working, its critical to take a month or two off, then start with very minimal levels and slowly ramp up while watching PIs.

If low force/time levels are what will work for you, yet you have caused major tissue toughening from high force/time...you could drop down to the optimum force/time levels and get no results because you tissues are still toughened from the high forces used previously.

To me this explains why a lot of guys can't seem to get any success. They usually end up increasing their forces to the point of injury, not aware that they long passed by their proper force/time levels.

If they drop down to the proper levels, it won't work either, until they take a long decon break to let their tissues reverse some of the toughening.

How many times have we heard stories of guys that end up with huge force/time levels...get hurt, then after finally recovered, start with a gentle [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words], start to get gains, then ramp it all up and everything comes to a shreeching halt! Or, get smarter and find they get much better results with much less.
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Hope that helps.


[QUOTE goldmember]Don't act like you wouldn't like it.[/QUOTE]

I will deny everything.>:(
 
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