The __________ Complex

lonerj · Apr 24, 2004

AncientChina said:
James A, look at your first and second post above mine. Do you not see a contradiction in your argument? In your second post you say that many asians have the sterotype of being smaller in penis size due to media exageration and "bullshit" by hatred....You thus blame part of it on the media. Then yo make your contradiction, and you deny the fact that asians on average have the small penises, but you have no problem figuring that must blacks are of "lower" intelligence by which you have seen on TV, Also known as the media. That's a bit of a contradiction my friend.

Most of this should be about truth without any bias reasoning, it should not be driven by hate. You are half asian as you have stated so you take the possibility of asians being smaller more to heart of course. So why would a black not take what you had to say to heart more? I still believe that many culture issues surround us, I think in Asian cultures that kids do indeed study, you can't have the sweetness without the bitterness if you suggest that asians are naturally smart, or if you "hint" towards that without "saying it" you are then up for the bitter part of the smaller penis issue.

I'm half jamaican (carribean black) and half irish, if it was a actual fact that Blacks naturally had a lower IQ I would accept that if it was not smeared in hypocriscy, socialism and other such issues. Everyone is human and everyone can relate, we are talking about differences which are only marginal, and IQ penis size mean nothing, but if whe want to get technical there will be those who may feel hurt some way or another.

By the way I have watched a lot of Japanese �� and the men in it are very, very small in penis size. I am speaking about the Japanese and not all asians as there are ethnic variances. I'm well versed in that area, and it doesn't matter in the end. As supra said a lot of this debating gets no where its about what you are carrying between your legs. I doubt debates like this have an ending. I still agree with how bigbutnottoo thinks, if only more people had the balls and realism to think that way, its very rare, and is as close to equality as possible in this chaotic shithole world.

Maybe you missed my point. The point is I try to focus on the concepts of individualism. You can say asian people are smart because they study but many of them are naturally smart, you can say black people have low IQs but as I said I see all these children blowing me away. I am trying to get rid of those trying to rationalize that one person of a race is better because they belong to a race with such comments as "I believe asians are small because the survey says so" or "black people are naturally dumber because of some scientific research". I am aware of Japanese �� and even though I am half Korean, I can't say speak about it because I am not part Japanese and because I have brown hair/green eyes and I cannot really relate on my physical make up to every extent as the Japanese.

Bigbutnotoo sorry if you think thinking asians are the smallest is being a "realist". I'm betting you still didn't read the post about asian people. I have been as a real as a realist can get. I've been to locker rooms and I've seen different penises from different races and I think that as real as you can get. Asians make up the biggest populations in the world and putting a stigma on every single asian male is laughable. Again groups of asians (based on nationality) have different genetics and physical traits. Your "individualistic" philosophy is clearly flawed and you should take a look at it before you start tossing it around as individualism.

lonerj · Apr 24, 2004

jclark246 said:
All white races of peoples throughout history have not created anything. They simply went to Africa, where the world's first universities were, studied there and took credit for ideas that were already being used (ie Greeks and Romans). Or whites went to Asia and learned things over there, and used them for their advantage. Or maybe a better exaple is how whites came to America, a land that was already discovered, stole it, and then took credit for its discovery. I am not trying to be racist here but a good bit of you who think blacks have low IQs need to realize that blacks have been opressed for a while and some of has become self inflicted. if given the oppurtunity, black people have the abilty to completely dominate any are we wish-not just sports. If you are up on your reading, you would know that most of the modern medical, engineering, and technoological breakthroughs were pioneered by black people (and other peoples of color). We can't be denied and we won't be denied if you have any doubts about the things that I am saying, just take some time, research these events and maybe you all we be enlightened.
By the way, If a race was reallysuperior, then that race would not need to constantly remind itself of its superiority.

The whole white people stole everything comment is really ignorant. Every groups of people learn something from each other and the people who inhabited here and made this country just happened to be white. Whites just happened to be on a conquest of imperialism and there are other non whites who did the same. Slavery existed everywhere from Rome, Egypt, Greece, Asia, Africa (selling their own black race). You just can't start pointing fingers on a race for the things that happened in the past because there was no code of universal ethics and morality back then.

bigbutnottoo · Apr 24, 2004

JamesA said:
Bigbutnotoo sorry if you think thinking asians are the smallest is being a "realist". I'm betting you still didn't read the post about asian people. I have been as a real as a realist can get. I've been to locker rooms and I've seen different penises from different races and I think that as real as you can get. Asians make up the biggest populations in the world and putting a stigma on every single asian male is laughable. Again groups of asians (based on nationality) have different genetics and physical traits. Your "individualistic" philosophy is clearly flawed and you should take a look at it before you start tossing it around as individualism.

I have read every post and contributed to many discussions. STHU and stop context dropping. You dont understand anything about philosophy and its relation to factual reality. I never said anything about Asians being small. I said I tend to believe that if scientific studies were done on a racial basis, statistically, Asians would probably be the smallest ( which could mean nothing more than a fraction of an inch). IF, and only if, this were proven; it would be reality. You have a sorry disconnect from reality and your emotional feelings

You are not a rational person, you are getting your feelings hurt for no reason and going all EMo on an internet message board. Somehow you think any statement about Asians somehow applies to you. I am about ~2" above average depending on study and my IQ is ~50% higher than average for a white male. If someone told me an average penis was 6" and average IQ 100, I wouldnt get all bent out of shape just because that does not apply to me. I would not say, I am 8" therefore the average must be 8"

I believe you are an emotional racist. And a FACT is not a stigma. It may even be a blessing. If one race is bigger or smaller, why pretend it is not the case? It just makes things worse. You reject all possibility of statistics that you may not like.

You reject my individualist philosophy because you proscribe to a racialist viewpoint. i.e. your entire thought process is based on defending or propping up a race of people. If average white guy was 3", I would not care because I am an individualist. You are the antithesis. You care more about imagined stigmas.

Fortunately both intelligence and penis size can be improved.

As I said, science is not moral and not racist. Only the behaviors irrationally applied to such studies are what create racism. Lets assume now that we have a cientific study that concludes the average size by race is 6.5 black, 6.0 white, 5.5 Asian. If I were to state that the average Asian is slightly shorter than the average white, this would be simply stating the results of a study. It would not be attaching a "stigma" or anything else. If I said " All Asian guys have tiny dicks under 6"- that would be a different story. The same has been done and used for racist reasons with IQs. If a study says the average IQ is lower for blacks, then that is only a finding, not a value judgment. But some people like to use these statistics to "prove" some kind of collective superiority ( which is a faslehood). These people are idiots and that's why you have white retards claiming they are superior to black geniuses. Ancient CHina already called you out on your self-contradictions. You are a pseudo-individualist cloaked in collectivist propaganda.

lonerj · Apr 24, 2004

AncientChina said:
James A, look at your first and second post above mine. Do you not see a contradiction in your argument? In your second post you say that many asians have the sterotype of being smaller in penis size due to media exageration and "bullshit" by hatred....You thus blame part of it on the media. Then yo make your contradiction, and you deny the fact that asians on average have the small penises, but you have no problem figuring that must blacks are of "lower" intelligence by which you have seen on TV, Also known as the media. That's a bit of a contradiction my friend.

I brought up my reply from a different perspective. I didn't read all the posts in order and I read somebody saying something about black people's IQs being lower. I've also read some scientific study about black people having less developed brains (don't know if it's legit). My point about bringing up african-americans was to disprove it to other people not disprove myself from subconciously thinking black people are intelligently inferior because I never thought that way in the first place.

lonerj · Apr 24, 2004

bigbutnottoo said:
I have read every post and contributed to many discussions. STHU and stop context dropping. You dont understand anything about philosophy and its relation to factual reality. I never said anything about Asians being small. I said I tend to believe that if scientific studies were done on a racial basis, statistically, Asians would probably be the smallest ( which could mean nothing more than a fraction of an inch). IF, and only if, this were proven; it would be reality. You have a sorry disconnect from reality and your emotional feelings

You are not a rational person, you are getting your feelings hurt for no reason and going all EMo on an internet message board. Somehow you think any statement about Asians somehow applies to you. I am about ~2" above average depending on study and my IQ is ~50% higher than average for a white male. If someone told me an average penis was 6" and average IQ 100, I wouldnt get all bent out of shape just because that does not apply to me. I would not say, I am 8" therefore the average must be 8"

I believe you are an emotional racist. And a FACT is not a stigma. It may even be a blessing. If one race is bigger or smaller, why pretend it is not the case? It just makes things worse. You reject all possibility of statistics that you may not like.

You reject my individualist philosophy because you proscribe to a racialist viewpoint. i.e. your entire thought process is based on defending or propping up a race of people. If average white guy was 3", I would not care because I am an individualist. You are the antithesis. You care more about imagined stigmas.

Fortunately both intelligence and penis size can be improved.

As I said, science is not moral and not racist. Only the behaviors irrationally applied to such studies are what create racism. Lets assume now that we have a cientific study that concludes the average size by race is 6.5 black, 6.0 white, 5.5 Asian. If I were to state that the average Asian is slightly shorter than the average white, this would be simply stating the results of a study. It would not be attaching a "stigma" or anything else. If I said " All Asian guys have tiny dicks under 6"- that would be a different story. The same has been done and used for racist reasons with IQs. If a study says the average IQ is lower for blacks, then that is only a finding, not a value judgment. But some people like to use these statistics to "prove" some kind of collective superiority ( which is a faslehood). These people are idiots and that's why you have white retards claiming they are superior to black geniuses. Ancient CHina already called you out on your self-contradictions. You are a pseudo-individualist cloaked in collectivist propaganda.

I understand your point about studies and stats. Like I stated before, I want to get rid of people who feel they think they can get away with implied or subsconcious racism by using stats as rationalization. I think that's what you wanted to bring out but I missed what you were saying.

I am not some pseudo-intellectual or never claimed to be a damn genius. I have read books on the political meaning of race through sociology and understand the unimplied, subconcious acts of racism and sometimes the world reeks of it. There is also nothing wrong with being emotionally charged because I am a passionate person. I don't care if this is just a message board - I say what I want to say the way I want to say it.

I have to say that whenever the whole race topic is brought up, everyone sees from a different perspective and there is no solid way to get your point across. You're also free to think whichever way you think but I'm just bringing out my opinions. As I said before, stats are stats but Asians (depending on nationality) are of different genetic/physical make-up and there are other factors. Plus, people (not you) can just run off and slap out a stereotype to you just b/c you're asian or part-asian etc. To me it's about challenging things like that and proving people can exist as individuals. I also mentioned before about somebody saying I was a certain size bc I was half white so I could've been talking through that if I seemed too emotional for you

Jclark246, I know supra is right on his whole take on race from the beginning but since this thread was resurrected by somebody, I'd thought I'd chime in and get my points out.

bigbutnottoo · Apr 24, 2004

JamesA said:
I understand your point about studies and stats. Like I stated before, I want to get rid of people who feel they think they can get away with implied or subsconcious racism by using stats as rationalization. I think that's what you wanted to bring out but I missed what you were saying.

OK, we have an understanding then.

bigbedu · Apr 27, 2004

First off, I think it is possible to say blacks have larger penises etc. I am not saying this is true, but certain ethnic groups have similar features etc. because of similar genetics, so i don't think it is an unreasonable claim.

This thread basically has become all about racism, so I will put my two cents. I am arab-american, and i know first hand that racism is still common in the US. I have been called sand-nigger, spic, desert spic, names like this. I have also seen racism against many of my friends, black and arab. I think that most modern racism stems from lack of knowledge however. People will naturally feel more comfortable with people like themselves, while feeling on-gaurd around people they are not familiar with. If someone grew up in an all white neighborhood and did not know any black people, he might feel scared or intimidated around one of he ran into him. Because people are not familiar with other cultures races etc, they label them with stereotypes in order to try to classify them. People hardly ever have the whole story when it comes to creating stereotypes or labeling people based on race, but i know every person of every race, classifies people based on race stereotypes in their head. Some more than others. My black friends will see someone white and say, look, a crazy white boy, or a white friend will say look, another asian who can't drive. The only way to eliminate this is to completely diversify your surroundings, but this is not really possible.

Lastly, a lot of white people talk about how they are sick of black blaming problems on slavery and things from the past. These people do not understand because they themselves have not experienced it. Blacks will no matter what have a harder time succeding in America because of things that have happened in the past, which the aftermath of these things still affect them today.

When my father came to the US, he was not allowed by the US gov. to get a job because he was an Iranian, so he lived with 20 others in a small apartment working numerous illegal alien jobs putting himself through college. He could say that racism or ignorance makes it harder for all people coming to this country, but a person who has never experienced things like this will just say its another minority using racism as an excuse, which is not the case.

-bigbedu

flyer0002 · Apr 28, 2004

come on guys, i think everybody needs to drop the egos and really look at things rationally. no race is naturally superior to another or preordained by God for a specific purpose. if you just simply look the ancestoral living areas and specific individual cultures before modern mobilization and mixing of cultures. these things most likely typed the genetics of races after the tower of babylon when all humans were split up by language and their skintone and what not adapted to their environments leading to what we naturally have today.
- asians are the smartest = asian culture has always prescribed to an excellent work ethic that has carried on until today.
- asians are unathletic = like jamesa said the avalibility of food condusive to this trait was not available.
- whites are smarter = basically the genesis of all mankind and its development tookplace in around europe and leading to the renaissance and so on, plus they were effectively introduced to christianity and had a rational sense of the world.
- blacks are the most athletic = consider the climate, terrain, and lifestyle that people had in the middle, eastern, western, and southern africa, extremely primitive running around hunting, gathering, so on (you get the idea right) not in a racist tone (im black) but like a monkey
(just as a side note ive noticed the same traits in vietmenese people ive known who historically i think had similar tropical lifestyles)
- blacks have the longest penises = well, along with the above statement, to be condusive to that lifestyle they had long legs and arms, shorter torsos, and longer extremeties tend to have a direct correlation to penis size, (it really does, not shoe size, but the length and girth of fingers, toes, you get the idea)
this is just some of the stuff that comes to mind offhand and is kinda obvious, but im sure if we looked at traits of all races we could research their original locations and lifestyles and find an explanation, the only people were naturally different from the beginning were men and women.
i hope you guys get what im trying to say, i know some of the stuff seems sili but if you really think about it makes sense.

flyer0002 · Apr 28, 2004

oh and im not saying we arent all only groomed to only one vocation and not every single person in a race exhibits these charecterstics at the same level but for the majority you know, i mean i just think there is a genetic typing from adaptation in races that is present today and will last forever, not that blacks are dumb or anything like that but they can pick up new things and learn individually just like everyone else just like asians can get stronger and what not, kinda scatterbrained but i think you get it.

bigbutnottoo · Apr 28, 2004

flyer0002 said:
they were effectively introduced to christianity and had a rational sense of the world.

Many would say this is a contradiction.

REDZULU2003 · Apr 28, 2004

I gunna just add this.
From all my experiences of being near and seeing a naked man in the flesh i.e at the baths,gym,work etc etc I BELIVE in my heart hands across chest that on average the Black man packs more meat than the other races, thats what I HAVE SEEN.
The only race to come as close on average is the Pacific Islanders who are HUGE cock sized, and example is the Maui people of New Zealand, they are the tribal natives of that land and the surrounding islands.
Also from what I seen its a toss between Asians and Whites who has the smallest average sized meat.
This is WHAT I HAVE SEEN in my YEARS of going to the Gym, swimming baths, and work changeing rooms such as police, fire service.
Blacks and Pacific males are LARGER on average FLACCID, wether they carry this onto erect status I dunno.

Thats it.

DLD · Apr 28, 2004

Yeah, I hear everyone but I still can't wait for the day that someone does an article called the DLD Complex:D

flyer0002 · Apr 28, 2004

bigbutnottoo said:
Many would say this is a contradiction.

i know, i didnt wanna get real deep in philosophy just kinda give the general idea ya know maybe that wasnt the best way to express the thought but oh well.

DLD · Apr 29, 2004

flyer0002 said:
i know, i didnt wanna get real deep in philosophy

Please do

I love the philosophic posts.

sssg · Apr 30, 2004

This Universal Question Has Been Asked Forever....do Black Men Really Have Larger Cocks Than Men Of Other Races???what Do You Think??? How Do You Know???

BeBobBox · Apr 30, 2004

I think they do. All my friends tell me they do and every single time Ive seen a black one its been big. Ive never heard of a small black dick b4, but heard of alot of huge ones. Maybe im wrong, but seriously this is more than an overrated rumor

Ulcasterdropout · Apr 30, 2004

I've heard that black flaccid dicks are bigger, but that black and white erect
sizes are about the same.

kong1971 · Apr 30, 2004

I used to work as an orderly and had to give bedbaths and help dress patients in the mens ward. There were black men as well as white men there. The answer, as far as I'm concerned, is no. I saw no difference except for the obvious differences from guy to guy.

REDZULU2003 · Apr 30, 2004

From all the naked men I have seen, either in gym,showers,work showers, etc etc I seen many races and the Black man seems to be larger when it comes to penis size in average that is, not as a whole.
Only the Pacific islander males I seen, i.e Samao are larger.
I know cos I have alot of Maui freinds [Maui is the native tribe to New Zealand the outer islands].
Both races, black and Pacific are big builds in body too on the average.
I came to these conclusions from my own eyes, asians and whites dont compare on average to the other two ... but its not a huge difference, mainly thats in the Asians and whites, with the whites being a toss for smallest over the asians....I seen some well hung asians.
Cant say on the whole if this channels over into erect sizes .... I dunno?? but I have had groupies a few times, with black males and once with a samoan freind .... and I would say YES they were large bastards...with the Samoan being larger than the black, so I guess this thread could be ''Are the Pacific men the BIGGEST and the blacks take 2nd place''

ctmwm · Apr 30, 2004

On the average they are bigger by all reports, but its not carried through all black guys. Same as all other races. Its the luck of the draw I guess.

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