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lonerj said:

LOL. Def Jam is a branch of a major label run by black people. Do you REALLY think that the white folks affect the way black artist are marketed?

Take P.Diddy and Cash Money for example (bad artists anyway) but they are at the top and so was the other major labels like rockafella and def jam and the black people were running the show.

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Here's the link read it yourself!

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Do you still have doubts?

WHO CARES?

Seriously, why does it matter? Apparently the artists don't have a problem with it or they wouldn't do business with the companies. I really don't see why we're still arguing about this. I'm done with it.

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Whats going on here? Am I at �other forum�? What happened to MOS?

Okay guys, look, this is the last post Im gonna make about this, because all the respones you guys make ive already answered. If you would take the time to really read what I write and think about it, Ive already addressed your responses.

1. I never said whites and asians could not be naturally smarter. I said it was just as possible as blacks being athletic and large penises due to regional conditioning or it was natural. I only said it was harder to measure b/c a lot of intelligence needs to be developed and is based on education (unless you are thomas edison or something like that) which costs money and is due to where you live, but if you are fast or can jump high with a high motabilism, its just naturally there in any setting.

2. Yeah I live in the suburbs, but I was not only talking about myself, I was speaking in terms of blacks as a whole. And the effects have slavery have still not been overcome. I am of a very lucky minority of current black 20 and 30 somethings where both parents were able to go to college. Its no coincidence that intercities and poorer areas are filled with blacks. The reason other minorities other than native-americans are commonly poor is because they are immigrants and have to start over, not because they were enslaved and then persecuted for 100s of years as opposed to maybe 20 or 30 with the irish, italians, and others in America, which in no way was anywhere near as bad as what blacks faced. This is why we get help from the government to accelerate the process to where it is a level playing field in terms of oppurtunities and education.

3. Speaking of Jews and other immigrants, most blacks arent immigrants!! The only reason were here is mostly b/c of slavery!! And anything that anyother demonination has faced in AMERICA, blacks have faced the most and harsh oppression for the longest period of time. There were laws set up to segregrate and hold us down until the 1960's for goodness sake!!!

Seriously, you guys let go of your bitterness for a second, and really look at this rationally and THINK. And lonerj, your reference to understanding the KKK, do you really think the KKK wants anything to do with any minority, including you? You guys shoud also know that there are more whites living well below their means in America, yet this isnt because their parents and grandparents were poor b/c of segregration or hate at the hands of the government, its simply b/c of bad circumstances. THATS WHY BLACKS GET HELP. Whites have every oppurtunity to succeed in America. orSlavery and its aftermath with segregation, lynchings, and the KKK and everything was longer and worse than the Holocaust, Manifest Destiny, early American discrimination between immigrants. The effects of it are also the longest lasting and severe. Racism and hate against blacks is still very real, ITS A FACT.

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LOL!!!

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z03 said:

Okay guys, look, this is the last post Im gonna make about this, because all the respones you guys make ive already answered.

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What fun is that? Conversation stimulates understanding.

I aint going to say much cos I already talked about race before and its a dead horse most the time, with VERY mixed and diverse opinions.
Heres a VERY small piece from me to add.

SOME Blacks play upon their race as an excuse in life, like it or not its a fact ya get some who abuse this and thats why theirs no real healing with some races these days cos of the few who abuse their colour as an excuse for summut they do or want.

I wonna also point out that these Blacks should look to the ASIAN cultures as motivation in life.
The Asians have had it just as hard as any Black culture IMHO, without going into URL links and endless worthless posting but they have, all the crap they have had ... the name calling cos of their apperance like Slitty Eyes, thats very offensive to the Asians as Nigga is to the Blacks.
Yet ya dont see them moaning about it, nor do they use their race as an excuse for their actions ..... they simply get their head down and get on with it, these Blacks should take a note out of the Asians books and act upon it than Bridges can be built in SOME societys especially like that of the UK where feelings are running high.

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Thats all I have to say on the subject, I have commented enough on this in the past and have had enough to a certain extent with it cos I wont be Prime Minister, so I cant ever change what goes in MY country.

This dialogue is Great! Unfortunately some of us Black and White have our minds made up on all issues at hand and our not open to change.

I have read alot of fueled statements and it is unfortunate that this is the time we live in. Change is only made through intelligent open minded discussions and actions.

I can only speak for myself and my life as a young Black man. I don't think White America owes me anything! Forget 40 acres and a mule! I'll get that on my own. Just like any other person out here Black, White, Red, Yellow, and Purple most people just want to be given a fair chance at success.

I am originally from Yonkers, NY and moved to North Carolina at a young age. That is where I really started to notice racism. The town was rather small and still to this day has the KKK in the phone book 919-492-7000.

I lived in this town with no Indians, Jamaicans, Latinos, Asians, or anybody except Black Americans and White Americans. NO VARIETY! A town where a little boy no older than 5 yrs looked at me and said "hey mommy look a nigger!"

No I don't have any complaints about being Forced to study Candian history all of my 5th grade year, Spanish history all of 7 and 8th, along with US and European history from the second - 11th grade. I also don't have any complaints about my world history teacher that failed me because I voiced my opinion. European history was World history to her! I asked her could we talk about African history for 1 week during OUR special month. She said yes and began this speech about slavery! Yes little black boy your history starts as a damn slave in the US. Forget your ancestors! Why because she probably doesn't know a damn thing about me or my ancestors. That's when everything changed for me! I stopped looking for other people to teach me about myself.

When you know where you come from and have a sense of pride everything else falls into place. A person of another race can't call me a racial slur and get me bent out of shape! It won't happen. I have a good 70-100 yrs to live if I take good care of myself and it just seems like yesterday I was playing on the swing set, now I'm almost 30. I don't have time to fuck with simple people. I got to make this money and enjoy the time I have here.

On another note I think we should all really practice tolerance and try to get out more. I know damn well you can't really think all white people are racist and black people think they are better than you. My business partner has got to be the coolest white guy in history. The "Son of Sam" was my neighbor. A white cop killed my cousin who was a Navy officer who I could never get to drink a beer or smoke a joint. Measure the Man! You can't hold a whole race accountable for ones actions.

Alright I'm tired! Guess I'll attend today's Black panther march or the klan meeting.

"the name calling cos of their apperance like Slitty Eyes, thats very offensive to the Asians as Nigga is to the Blacks."

come on man, being called "slitty eyes" is nothing compared to being called a nigger and half of it only deals with appearance. nigger goes back to slavery meaning that you are piece of machinery, a second class human being b/c you are black. saying slitty eyes is like calling scandinavian people blondie and is mean but is really only superficial and not as bad.

"The Asians have had it just as hard as any Black culture IMHO"

i really dont agree with that.

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"the name calling cos of their apperance like Slitty Eyes, thats very offensive to the Asians as Nigga is to the Blacks."

come on man, being called "slitty eyes" is nothing compared to being called a nigger and half of it only deals with appearance. nigger goes back to slavery meaning that you are piece of machinery, a second class human being b/c you are black. saying slitty eyes is like calling scandinavian people blondie and is mean but is really only superficial and not as bad.

"The Asians have had it just as hard as any Black culture IMHO"

i really dont agree with that.

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Oh my gosh, that is so typical of Americans (no matter what race) to trivialize the plight of less visible minorities. You need to realize that the issue of race and racism in America is less and less 'black and white'. In fact, hispanics have supplanted blacks as the largest minority group just last year, and this will continue to sway in their direction.


Asians *do* find it very hurtful when they are taunted about their eyes or other things that they cannot change - just as black people are hurt when people make fun of their flat, large noses and big lips and nappy hair. And surely, you've hear of words such as "Chink" and "Gook" and "Zipperhead" - they are EXACTLY in the same vein as "Nigger" and "Spic", but most people pay no heed because Asians and Asian-Americans aren't as visible a group as African Americans, most proably due to their immigrant status (like Mexican people).


I have a personal interest in Asian American issues because I have many friends and extended family members that are Asian. They get the shaft while black people are busy complaining about racism and white peoplare busy denying things or accusing of reverse-racism, and it SO isn't right. In fact, it makes me angry to see the kind of "brush-off" Asian people get. > When anyone ever mentions Asians or Asian-Americans, it's usually about Asian women are de-humanized pieces of meat/whores for the White Man, or about Asian men as little turds with no redeeming qualities as men. People - blacks AND whites - need to wake up to the reality that the world (and consequently the U.S.) is a rapidly changing place.



Oh yeah - I think the overall maturity level of people on this board is just amazing.... totally commendable. Excellent thread.

I'm not saying I agree with this, but I just thought I'd chime in on the reason why some racism is more ( I'm halfway asleep and cant think of the right word) talked about or regarded than others. And that is the Racism as a Tool of Power and Oppression theory. Immigrants, Asian in particular, are generally more "economically advantaged" than black Americans, among other things. A lot of people really think only people in disadvantaged positions can really be full victims of racism, and historically black Americans have been treated as second class citizens ( if citizens at all, to put it lightly). An analogy I could use, though not very well at this time, is that of (sexual) harassment. Its a lot more threatening if a person in a power position such as a male boss, makes sexual advances towards a female subordinate than just a female flirting around with a male co-worker. I mean Ive been sexually harrassed many times, but as a strong male I never felt threatened by it. Again my minds not 100% right now and I'm grasping at words and concepts, but I hope you at least get the drift of what I mean to say.

look, it all comes down to what has the U.S. govt. conciously done to impede the economic and social progress of asians, latinos, or whites as a whole in America, almost nothing. for blacks and native americans it is the complete opposite.

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look, it all comes down to what has the U.S. govt. conciously done to impede the economic and social progress of asians, latinos, or whites as a whole in America, almost nothing. for blacks and native americans it is the complete opposite.

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conciously and specifically.

In my area, we are about 40 miles from the beaches and almost every kid loves the water. In addition, we have many urban areas with many minorities. Almost every white male in my area has been stereotyped as "Surfer-dude, Jackass, Steve-O, Fratboy." by African Americans. Some guys are like this, but most caucasian males aren't. However, some people have played into this role and begin to act like a jackass. The whole point of this little statement is that if a myth holds on long enough, then people will begin to believe it as truth: as African American males tend to believe they have superior penises. There is a great quotation from the Scarlet Letter when Dimmesdale says something to the effect of, "One can only wear a mask for so long, until one becomes confused with which mask is one's real self."

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"the name calling cos of their apperance like Slitty Eyes, thats very offensive to the Asians as Nigga is to the Blacks."

come on man, being called "slitty eyes" is nothing compared to being called a nigger and half of it only deals with appearance. nigger goes back to slavery meaning that you are piece of machinery, a second class human being b/c you are black. saying slitty eyes is like calling scandinavian people blondie and is mean but is really only superficial and not as bad.

"The Asians have had it just as hard as any Black culture IMHO"

i really dont agree with that.

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*warning* I like to use the f word and that's how I normally talk.

Look, I don't see the point in inadvertently showing off that your race went through more shit than any others. That's just dumb especially if YOU haven't went through it.

Every background has a fucking history of hate. How about the civil war in Korea N. vs S. in which the N. tried to be a communist nation. It was like George Orwell's 1984 but worse where if you spoke a word of your opinion you'd get shot. Everybody was brainwashed and controlled and many died for their faiths in religion as well. Do you know my fucking history? I don't think so.

My blood lived through those times as well as the Japanese war. The japanese also had their women raped, beat, etc. by the white settlers. You probably also know that mexicans get treated like shit in the US as well and more people are more racist to mexicans than they are toward blacks.

First of all, I'd like to say that I don't have slitty eyes and have round ones.

Secondly, a racial slur is a fucking racial slur. Don't give me your bullshit saying it's more okay to use a racial slur but using the n word is more offensive. You sir, deserve a kick in the balls.

I bet you barely know anything about your history and you're just a product of the black leaders' propaganda.


Abd bigbutnottoo, asians are not more "economically fucking advantaged". You think they came to this fucking country with a shitload of money? Most asians used their brain, perseverance and hardwork to get to the top. The majority of asians are poor (if you didn't know). Asians are working their way up towards the middle class through hardwork not through generations of wealth passed down to them. I don't care if asians are doing better than any other race because they fucking worked for it - period. Don't you dare use that as some lame excuse saying that asians have it better.

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Seriously, you guys let go of your bitterness for a second, and really look at this rationally and THINK. And lonerj, your reference to understanding the KKK, do you really think the KKK wants anything to do with any minority, including you? You guys shoud also know that there are more whites living well below their means in America, yet this isnt because their parents and grandparents were poor b/c of segregration or hate at the hands of the government, its simply b/c of bad circumstances. THATS WHY BLACKS GET HELP. Whites have every oppurtunity to succeed in America. orSlavery and its aftermath with segregation, lynchings, and the KKK and everything was longer and worse than the Holocaust, Manifest Destiny, early American discrimination between immigrants. The effects of it are also the longest lasting and severe. Racism and hate against blacks is still very real, ITS A FACT.

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I apologize for bringing the KKK thing into play. My point was to enter their minds to why they are like that and how I agree with one of their ideals (which is no reason to rationalize for their racism). I also tried to prove that they are brainwashed mindless racists. I should point out that it was pathetic of me to mention anything worthy of the KKK. I apologize.

I have personally stopped looking at the world in terms of colour, as colour does not define a person. Personality defines a person.

I'm white, and i have met arsehole black people... but then i have also met arsehole white people. the same as i heave met awesome black people and awesome white people. Racism is stupid. If someone who is black starts shit, i don't tell them they are a fuckwit/loser/whatever cause they are black, i tell them they are a fuckwit/loser/whatever because that's what they are. Somehow though, other races automatically assume that one says these things because you are of a different race... I don't get it. Colour/race should not be an issue for ANY reason. We should all grow up and see past the small things such as skin colour.

I am aware that most of this post made limited sence, but i need sleep... sorry.

Xulf said:

Definitely a good read, thanks DLD

But "I" want to be the one to satisfy her and I would feel inadequate if she had to use a device.

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My wife does use dildos and I am inadequate too. <

Knuckle

lonerj said:

*warning* I like to use the f word and that's how I normally talk.

Look, I don't see the point in inadvertently showing off that your race went through more shit than any others. That's just dumb especially if YOU haven't went through it.

Every background has a fucking history of hate. How about the civil war in Korea N. vs S. in which the N. tried to be a communist nation. It was like George Orwell's 1984 but worse where if you spoke a word of your opinion you'd get shot. Everybody was brainwashed and controlled and many died for their faiths in religion as well. Do you know my fucking history? I don't think so.

My blood lived through those times as well as the Japanese war. The japanese also had their women raped, beat, etc. by the white settlers. You probably also know that mexicans get treated like shit in the US as well and more people are more racist to mexicans than they are toward blacks.

First of all, I'd like to say that I don't have slitty eyes and have round ones.

Secondly, a racial slur is a fucking racial slur. Don't give me your bullshit saying it's more okay to use a racial slur but using the n word is more offensive. You sir, deserve a kick in the balls.

I bet you barely know anything about your history and you're just a product of the black leaders' propaganda.


Abd bigbutnottoo, asians are not more "economically fucking advantaged". You think they came to this fucking country with a shitload of money? Most asians used their brain, perseverance and hardwork to get to the top. The majority of asians are poor (if you didn't know). Asians are working their way up towards the middle class through hardwork not through generations of wealth passed down to them. I don't care if asians are doing better than any other race because they fucking worked for it - period. Don't you dare use that as some lame excuse saying that asians have it better.

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first, how do u know if im black or white or something else? ive never said i was either or.

second, im not showing off on anyone's behalf, i just think people like to undermine blacks suffering for the sake of seeming more intellectual or counterculture, but rationally the u.s. govt, not just ignorant people and localized racism, supported racism and hate across the nation persecuting blacks and native americans throughout the twentieth century which has had lasting effects up unitl today.

third, i was talking about america, not the whole world. and if asians are persecuting asians its really not the kind of racism were discussing.

fourth, how do u know latinos get treated worse than blacks? what do you base that on? and dont give me a localized respone like "where i grew up...," i want national trends and occurences that is common knowledge, like blacks not getting loans even though they meet all qualifications and the decision is basically founded in a negative stigma perpeuated by the aftermath of slavery.

fifth, i didnt say using any racial slur was okay, i only said that nigger is more offensive because it goes deeper than superficial characteristics. and the kick in the balls comment was really stupid.

sixth, what you said about me not knowing black history and being a product of black leader's "propaganda" is totally unfounded since ive made two posts in this topic and one was opinion and the other was based on facts, and again you dont know what race i am.

seventh, asians did come over as immigrants and build themselves up, but they were given a decent starting point. a lot of asian immigrants come to america with something and some sort of financial security carrying over from asia as with most immigrants. after slavery blacks had nothing and segregration going on until the 60s and the subsequent racism and negative stigmas forced on blacks in terms of intelligence and morality afterwards has slowed blacks progress even more. just recently have things begun to even out.

eigth, "blacks eat a lot of fast food and do drugs", um, most people who live in poor areas do that no matter what race.

ninth, i really think you are ignoring what people are saying and are just resonding as quick as possible with personal horror stories that any minority living in poverty stricken areas has without considering the nation as a whole and looking at things rationally and comparing the severity of slavery and segregation and hate against blacks compared to the other forms of racism that other minorities have experienced in america and how it has affected their economic development in comparison to whites.

tenth, in terms of general racism what stereotypes do the major races have?
blacks: ignorant, immoral, violent, athletic, big dick, rytHydromaxic and soulful
whites: smart, moral, not especially athletic, average dick, boring/uptight
latinos: ignorant, poor, large families, good at soccer, close to heritage
asians: really smart, good work ethic, short, small dick, competitive, not especially athletic, close to heritage

tenth, youre a spaz and after reading your posts i think you just dont like black people, and are the only racist, hate fueled person posting in this topic.