Hangoff, Summer 07

[stillwantmore]

Yea, I tried out the 'fulcrum' thing with this pipe, and I don't like it. I'll just stick to what I'm doing.

 

[Dick Builder]

Hello everyone,

I ordered and received my bib starter hardcore at the end of May and started hanging at the beginning of June. So, I joined your hang-off sort of unofficially. Anyways, I decided to post my routine. I rigged a device to my desk that places the pulley about 13” above it and pulls my penis as close to my erection angle as possible while sitting. This focuses the stretch on my entire shaft. I hang three twenty minute sets in the morning. The rest of the day I do piss pulls in the bathroom, focusing mainly on the septum with V stretches, generally one minute per hand, sometimes more. I do somewhere between six and ten piss pull sessions per day. I am cut really tight so I have also been doing some work on reducing my turkey neck and the hair that is on my shaft when erect by doing ‘Reverse erect skin stretches’ after my hanging sessions and before and after the piss pulls throughout the day (they actually help warm up). I do these in a flaccid state by grabbing below the head with one hand and at the hair line with the other and pulling. By the end of June I have grown quite a bit of penile shaft skin which has improved my turkey neck, kept the hair back where it belongs and realized a 1/8” growth in erect length. I plan on measuring every month so I will stay in touch.

Happy hanging

 

[stillwantmore]

Oh man, I'm progressing quite nicely, and more quickly than I expected after such a long lay-off. Moving back up in weight that is. Todays numbers:
(In Respective Order)

17.5lbs x2
15lbs x3
12.5lbs x1

The goal for me being to increase the number of sets with higher weight levels, and decrease the number of sets with the lower weight. In other words, I start now with 17.5lbs. My goal before moving up again in weight (to 20lbs) is to hang all of my sets for the day with 17.5lbs. I anticipate being able to do this by beginning of next month. BTW, all sets are 20 minutes.

 

[Pandora]

I just got back from Penis Enlargement Depot (Home Depot ). Bought myself a piece of 18" long 3" diameter PVC pipe. Had some morbidly obese bull-dogga who works there (lesbian she was wearing a ring with a tell tail rainbow on it) help me cut it. I washed it well with some dish soap, and am going to start using it as a fulcrum while I do my SD hanging starting today.

Hey Still,

How come you have not built the rice sock yet much much better, you can use it for SD fulcrum hanging as well?

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forumnew/hanging-around/21406-great-technique-rice-sock-duct-tape.html

 

[stillwantmore]

Hey Still,

How come you have not built the rice sock yet much much better, you can use it for SD fulcrum hanging as well?

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forumnew/hanging-around/21406-great-technique-rice-sock-duct-tape.html

I do not like how my penis looks when it gets pulled in the odd directions by 'fulcrums'. PLUS, what I'm doing is working for me.

 

[Pandora]

I do not like how my penis looks when it gets pulled in the odd directions by 'fulcrums'. PLUS, what I'm doing is working for me.

The rice sock is way different than the old way, but I guess if you don't like the way you don't like the way

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Of course this will be a little different for SD hanging tho, the same thing would still happen tho.

 

[airshy]

cool i am kindof all over the board with my sets as far as angles, but i am being consistant in reaching fatigue and in putting in 120-180 minutes a day...

i took 9 days off from the BIB and this is something I would not recommend!!! wow it was like starting over as far as my penis adapting to it and the stresses.

 

[alwaystrying]

Hey all, just to make sure. Is fatigue basically when your penis can't be stretched very hard at all anymore cuz so little makes it hurt like a bitch due to you stressing it out already? I wanna stretch harder but get to a point where I can't.

 

[stillwantmore]

The rice sock is way different than the old way, but I guess if you don't like the way you don't like the way

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Of course this will be a little different for SD hanging tho, the same thing would still happen tho.

Oh, you bastard! I'm going to try this out tomorrow. I have a chair I can use, and everything but the rice. Might as well try it.

 

[stillwantmore]

Hey all, just to make sure. Is fatigue basically when your penis can't be stretched very hard at all anymore cuz so little makes it hurt like a bitch due to you stressing it out already? I wanna stretch harder but get to a point where I can't.

I'm not sure how it relates to stretching....never held much belief in that stuff. If you're talking about hanging though, fatigue is when you can no longer hang with the given amount of weight you used for the last set, and have to back down on weight to hang another set.

 

[alwaystrying]

K guys, still been at it. Something happened to me tonight though....didn't have time to hang earlier, did some manual stretches at work, nuthin too big, 2 good 10 minute sessions yankin as hard as I could in combo with [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for about 2 or 3 hours only, get home tonight and go to hang and can't hang near what I had been??? I mean, like I could hang 30 to 35 lbs OTS and I start with my 25 lb set and I can't take it, seriously, like no way in hell. If I hadn't known better it seemed like 15 lbs felt heavier than the 30 lbs does on my other days, and I could only last on the 15 lbs for like 11 minutes, not even a full set!!!~! :O

I'm wondering what happened? I don't have an injury, erections are solid as a rock, coloration, everything seems good. Any input? Thanks in advance.

 

[Pandora]

K guys, still been at it. Something happened to me tonight though....didn't have time to hang earlier, did some manual stretches at work, nuthin too big, 2 good 10 minute sessions yankin as hard as I could in combo with [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for about 2 or 3 hours only, get home tonight and go to hang and can't hang near what I had been??? I mean, like I could hang 30 to 35 lbs OTS and I start with my 25 lb set and I can't take it, seriously, like no way in hell. If I hadn't known better it seemed like 15 lbs felt heavier than the 30 lbs does on my other days, and I could only last on the 15 lbs for like 11 minutes, not even a full set!!!~! :O

I'm wondering what happened? I don't have an injury, erections are solid as a rock, coloration, everything seems good. Any input? Thanks in advance.

Yeah it's normal, you need to carry on hanging when in that state even if it's only 5 pounds or even less.

 

[alwaystrying]

Thanks Pandora, that's what I was thinkin....wanted someone a little more experienced to reinforce that notion. Gonna keep at it.

 

[airshy]

how often are you all measuring? I just posted my last 3 months of photos (every 30 days) in picture proof and have gone from 8 to 8.5 (started at 7.75) BPFSL.

that is an average of .18 gain a month over the period. I am proud for now - mainly that I have not given up and keep plugging away at this. not that I think I have had great, average, or poor results for the amount of work i have done. I dont really know that answer.

It helps me to be a part of this site and I hope you all get something out of this too in helping motivate you for the training. Besides the education.

 

[10inchadvantage]

how often are you all measuring? I just posted my last 3 months of photos (every 30 days) in picture proof and have gone from 8 to 8.5 (started at 7.75) BPFSL.

that is an average of .18 gain a month over the period. I am proud for now - mainly that I have not given up and keep plugging away at this. not that I think I have had great, average, or poor results for the amount of work i have done. I dont really know that answer.

It helps me to be a part of this site and I hope you all get something out of this too in helping motivate you for the training. Besides the education.

And you're using a BIB hanger?

 

[airshy]

yes I use the BIB. I have hung 2-3 hours per day everyday with only a 9 day break over the last 3 months. the first month I built up to the time needed and only had a vacu hanger.

 

[10inchadvantage]

yes I use the BIB. I have hung 2-3 hours per day everyday with only a 9 day break over the last 3 months. the first month I built up to the time needed and only had a vacu hanger.

Those are some impressive gains. I can't wait to get back into hanging but my penis still says otherwise when it comes to stretching it out. Funny how I can work girth just fine now, but whenever I stretch my penis really gets irritated.

 

[jqsderrida]

Wow, I'm jealous.

 

[alwaystrying]

Small exciting update: So this morning I'm doin some wet jelqs and make it to about 85 and I find myself with a 100% hard-on.....I'm not trimmed right now and I look down I'm like that thing looks and feels a little bigger/heavier. So I do one SO set for a half hour semi hard, I'm just goin for it, take it and that Jessica Beal movie commercial comes on and again I find myself like rock hard so I say screw it after all my promises to myself not to measure for a month....and measure, *AND* (drum roll) after measuring I think I was almost an 1/8" longer (definitely measuring easier at 7.25" nbp) and perhaps the best part was how I measured my msg toward top (inch or so below my cut skin) and clocked in at 6.25" for the first time ever. I was a little lubed up, made sure that measuring tape was stickin to my skin tight kept pulling thinkin there's no way I coulda bursted through thinkin is there a space or sumthin, but there wasn't!!

Ok, so this may be because I hadn't jerked off in 2 days but I had done that before (even longer) and never got these kinda measurements before. Gonna keep at it to cement and grow more. Kind of excited guys.

 

[airshy]

always - great job and congrats on getting that measurment. I have never seen my EL at or above 7 but would love to see that kind of jump too!

 

[alwaystrying]

Thanks Airshy, believe me I'm one of the most skeptical out there about all of this....not about pe but I was/am one of those guys who always worried that everyone else was capable of gaining and that I just wasn't due to my makeup or whatever. As stated, all the hangin, pulling, jelqing, hand clamping just might be payin off here. I'm just gonna keep hammerin away as I believe my problem before was that I was too impatient, but this time it's different. Everyday I'm at it, and when I get tired of pulling/hangin/stretchin I move to girth cuz I believe I'm prob one of those people who'd respond better to girth opposed to length but my main concern is length, and any girth I get as a result is fine, def not against girth as many women will claim that's more important as they say....just that whole theory or belief that more girth hinders length gains u know, but I'll never send back the girth at any rate.

I'm just excited, as stated, I got serious minded right when jqsderrida kicked around this idea and I have visions of being of those guys that stuck with it to make some impressive gains. Hope to be a pe vet one day, 2 inches longer and maybe an inch thicker haha lol

Let's do it guys!!@!@!

 

[airshy]

ride that wave and keep training. Even though improvement and success can be tracked in a linear fashion, the ebbs and flows are cyclical. And the best time to win is after a victory, as the energy is moving that way already.

So keep that attitude for another 30days as best you can and remeasure - and you may be in for another great surprise!

 

[alwaystrying]

My sentiments exactly Airshy....thanks man.

Work work work, lets go guys

 

[boxer2006]

This is for AIRSHY. I saw earlier in this thread that you made a diagram of your penis and where it was sore in the groin area. When I was stretching I got a pop right from that area. It feels like a lig running from my groin down the top of my penis. Its been very sore and I can't hang. Thankfully it's healing and almost better. Is this a lig because someone else told me it was the septum. This lig or whatever is where I always feels the stretch when I hang. Thanks for your help in advance.

 

[airshy]

yes it is the sus lig. It runs from the pubic bone (on each side) and attaches close to the head.

I had 2 pops so far on the left side sus lig. the intersting thing is that my left lig has been my limiting factor (and my penis curves to the left). I can actually pull this ligament up now as it is very thick from damage and scarring and it will rise all the way to the shaft (almost) of my penis.

Dont worry about it - it is still attached, just weakened. It is like the more painful fasttrack to breaking through your limiting factory.

What was strange for me when mine was damaged is I could still hang up to 10 pounds BTC, but I often could only start with 2 for 5 minutes or so, and gradually build up. I am not as into the 20 minute set rule as most people as I find I may be able to end a set straining at 10 minutes with 10 pounds, rest for 3 minutes, and immediatly start with 12 lbs fine.

Keep it healing in the extended state as best you can. it should not hurt sharply, and you should still be able to stretch it out way more than you think with proper warmup and set increases.

Just my thoughts - good luck.

 

[airshy]

Boxer -

Below are 2 suppliments that I use reguarly for Penis Enlargement. This goes against what BIB and many others say in that you want the tissues to be as weak as possible. I think it is a mixed bag. You want them weak when you stretch them but you want them strong to rebuild quickly so the process can be repeated. I have a belief the body is smarter than we know - even our ligaments holding our penis. And somehow someway they adapt and become stronger and longer.

Anyway - the first of these supplements is liquid glass. You will immediatly notice your hair and nails as thicker and stronger. (well - a few weeks). and they will grow faster. This happens all over your body and inside. Silicon is one of the main minerals stripped from todays water that used to be in water from the earth.

The second is simply collagen. Again, most people would say you dont want this I would guess. I feel if you are really hanging a lot your body is going to get broken down no matter what you take, and these will help it heal faster in the extended state.

Also - if you are injured these will help your body rebuild what is damaged. There are other things too and I have tried most as I have done powerlifting in the past... these will help that lig rebuild.

Biosil Liquid Silicon, 30 ml

Super Collagen, Type I & III Powder, 7 oz (198 g)

 

[airshy]

I think it is easy to get frustrated with measuring. Especially EL. I gave it up for the time being for a few reasons. For hanging, BPFSL seems like the first thing that will be affected. Obviously because it is the same pull in flaccid state.

EL changes more day to day as blood volume as well as tunica / lig factors have to be taken into account. Not to mention the difficulty of the measure.

If the BPFSL is increased, eventually the EL will follow. I know of no such formula or predicted correlations.

This also makes sense to me in solidifying BPFSL to EL. Girthwork. BIB advocated jelqing for [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]penis health[/words] mainly and getting bloodflow. I feel the pumping and expanding of blood in and out daily is to a large degree what closes the gain from BPFSL to EL. How many times have I read about superb girth gainers gain .5 in length with no lengthwork? many

I think the reason is because a large part of the potential development in closing the gap from BPFSL to EL is through girthwork.

I think of BPFSL as mere potential EL. More of this makes more potential EL (which seems obvious) but I think something overlooked is the possiblity that the same person could do only hanging and have a 9.0 BPFSL and 7.0 EL while that same person having trained girth and length could quite possibly have a 8.5 BPFSL and 7.4 EL. ??? any thoughts

 

[airshy]

actually I am searching topics and cannot find anything regarding the above information.

Has anyone seen any correlations between BPenis EnlargementL and BPFSL? Specifically what types of training leads to closer correlations?

 

[10inchadvantage]

actually I am searching topics and cannot find anything regarding the above information.

Has anyone seen any correlations between BPenis EnlargementL and BPFSL? Specifically what types of training leads to closer correlations?

I don't think there is any correlation other than your bpfsl should equal your bpel in theory. When I started Penis Enlargement I remember my bpfsl was at least .5" shorter than my bpel. It took me over a year to get my bpfsl to my bpel. I've never seen anyone ever complain of having a shorter bpfsl, maybe it was something unique to me, I'm not sure. Either that, or no one voices that they have a shorter bpfsl than bpel, which is unheard of in Penis Enlargement. I read a theory at Thunders about people having slightly shorter bpfsl because their glans inflate so much when erect, however, that wasn't the case for me.

 

[jqsderrida]

I too had a shorter BPFSL than BPenis EnlargementL. However, in my particular case, your uncovered Thunder's theory applies.

 

[jqsderrida]

I'm disenchanted with existing theories of Penis Enlargement and I have consequently broken with them. This information is entirely for me as some rather novel, insighful ideas have come to me about how exactly this hanging business should be conducted.

 

[airshy]

I would be interested to hear your theroties. I have tried to decipher the Penis Enlargement world by looking mainly at what actions tend to create what results.

I believe there is much to still learn. And my noticing that Penis Enlargementers increase mainly FSL initially as EL tries to catch up still holds true - we have seen it in ourselves. My next question is what specifically helps EL close that gap most?

 

[alwaystrying]

Airshy, I just want to say I think you may be onto something with the girthwork to lengthening. The other night I thought the same in my experience with small gains.....and I'm gonna say what I thought then, it's against all you read, here it goes:

I think doing both girth and lengthening at the same time provides for better length gains. Yeah, maybe a bold statement, but I just thought with the theory that our penises are skin balloons, expanding in every way will prob provide better length gains. More skin and tissue available, get a blood supply to create, hence more even in length, I think. The only draw to having a thicker (girthier) penis is that it takes more tension, *BUT* I think we're all capable (with dedication) of still exhausting the stretch for length with our means (hangin, weight, pulling) no matter how thick we are.

 

[airshy]

Yes- when I imagine the tunica being stretched say through constriction, It is being stretched in all diretions. Mainly width but length as well. We are limited by the temporary expansion our tunica can stretch to.

When We increase our BPFSL often our EL usually does not change right away. However during a pumping or Constriction session we will see the results lengthwise as blood has been forced into a stretched tunica (lengthwise) that normally does not go into.

So Girthwork is like training our penis to hold and maintain more volume to cememt the potential we have created by the stretching. And the difference in BPFSL and EL may be attributed to the CC, not that we need more "length" in the BPFSL state - which represents potential.

 

[jqsderrida]

Actually, in contradistinction to your ideas, I notice myself smaller, lengthwise, after doing girth-work. It was probably this observation which lead the original Titans to theorize about the negativity of girth-work when length gains are preferred.

When I'm not drinking beer (I am now), I'll right up something about what I am thinking. However, keep up the iconoclasm. I think it is necessary. Bonne chance a tout la monde.

 

[airshy]

to be specific I mean during Girthwork. Especially during pumping where there is a ruler on my tube I reach 8 1/8 which i am not close to without the tube.

And during clamping the length and girth I feel fully expanded and stretched in the tunica.

Right after Girthwork I seem to have a drop in length as well (and girth)- But I would think is normal after such extreme pressures.

 

[alwaystrying]

I know this has long been discussed, but this little circle here has got me goin, and I'm gonna do my best experiment with myself on these theories.....but if what we're thinkin is true, then edging/ballooning has gotta be the way to go. All this after I already pulled the trigger today, *DAMN* :s

You know, in pe there are those dying questions:

to ejac or to try and hold off as best as possible? (arguments: being expanded the best at all times, good. on other hand, it's hard to hold off and after ejac you're really loose for better stretching?)

to heal fast to do more length, or stay not healed in elongated state to stay longer to grow more that way?

to heat or not to heat? (pros and cons: not heating, u can do more pe for the time as warm ups and warm downs are a pain to plan and can take 20 minutes.....on other hand, it could help prevent injury and make ur penis more pliable for better stretch)

 

[airshy]

to ejac or to try and hold off as best as possible? (arguments: being expanded the best at all times, good. on other hand, it's hard to hold off and after ejac you're really loose for better stretching?)

*i try not to and have better girth workouts when I am hornier but struggle as we all do her.

to heal fast to do more length, or stay not healed in elongated state to stay longer to grow more that way?

*sorry I dont understand - if you mean an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] I dont enjoy wearing them and prefer the BIB more often

to heat or not to heat? (pros and cons: not heating, u can do more pe for the time as warm ups and warm downs are a pain to plan and can take 20 minutes.....on other hand, it could help prevent injury and make ur penis more pliable for better stretch)

*As good as heating may be i rarely do it.

 

[alwaystrying]

the heal or not to heal has something to do with a write up I read stating pe gainers (in length) prob heal slower hence their penis is stretched for longer in micro terms so it's easier to stay longer and get longer for good with each workout.....but then to touch on your theory Airshy, I see what u mean by being able to heal so u can do more work sooner, to tear and heal sooner to grow. So which one is it? lol, they should do some kinda clinical tests so we can all know the answers to these questions

 

[jqsderrida]

I my opinion, it is best to heal as rapidly as possible. That is, to stretch to a length which is beyond TEL for several hours. Following this I like to take various supplements to supplement the healing process and then tear away at the microfibers again the next day. Fatigue can ALWAYS be produced, believe me. There is no need to artificially retard the healing process. In all of the this, the microbiology and biochemistry of healing and tissue damage as been entirely ignored. Bib, as well as the early Titans focused almost exclusively upon gross anatomy and the physiology of liagments and fibrous tissue structures. Following the general scientific trend away from such surface triteness brings me, as well, to considerations of cell and molecular biology. Although I am a mathematician, I do have extensive undergraduate trainging in biology as that was one of my minors.

 

[airshy]

Interesting post as I have felt the same, which is contrary to many hanging posts I have read.

When our penis can handle more weight, the bottom line is that the ligaments are stronger. Bib says they begin to form into similar size and strength and work in concert as we break down further layers.

To me this would mean ligament integrety is involved, not stretched cadaverous weak ligaments.

I am still practincing different routines constantly to feel out what weight, angle, rest, etc seems to create results. But the one constant is that I am pulling my inner penis out of my body with some weight at some angle, which alone will lead to some gains.

I think when it comes to the greuling sport of hanging, well over half of the results we acheive will come from just putting in the time of 2-3 hours per day. The other quarter or so will come from the "perfect" blend of weights and angles... whatever that is.

 

[alwaystrying]

Yeah, I'm likin this guys. As stated, I think I'd be a girth gainer myself, but goin for length primarily and gonna get some serious hangin in later. Today is the 24th, sorry to say but I measured with this in mind, so yeah, what I said the other day seemed to be somewhat easy to get again. 7.25 nbp, 7.75 bp with a 6.25 mid girth.....and I'm throwin my rulers away and not measuring for 90 days (hope I can stick with this, as this is a big deal for me). I'm one of those people that even if I grow 1/8 inch it just doesn't seem like a lot and will attribute it to whatever I feel like and write it off and have never not measured at least every 2 weeks. Again, I have visions of being a gainer, and I feel that measuring too frequently makes it hard to do just that, so yeah I'm not measuring til Halloween. Sorry guys, just know that I am a.) a mental case when it comes to measuring, b.) someone who has never done this, and c.) stickin with it more than ever previous. So for the sake of this hangoff, mine will end on Halloween (got a tad late of a start anyway). I'm one of those people who have had somewhat success in whatever I do (as far as stickin with it) and have found that the measuring thing is the single most thing that discourages me cuz it's never enough in 2 weeks and tell myself "Oh it's not workin etc.". So I am currently measuring the biggest I ever have, and if in 90 days I make some kinda substantial gains then I'm hooked for life plain and simple, so this is do or die for me. I have visions of gaining a half inch in 3 months with hangin 2 to 3 hours everyday, [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], manual exercises the whole bit so wish me luck. *AND* also know that I'm right here with you all beatin the shit outta myself every day along with you guys, my update will just be a little late. I also have plans to dress up as something cool and if I'm measuring close to 8 nbp (best case scenario, gain close to .25 each month??) then I'll have to be something along the lines of the incredible hulk or superman haha, let alone the girth I may pick up as a side deal along the way...............

 

[airshy]

Always - 6.25 midshaft is sick!

on girth I have a funny story. Last night I pumped 5 sets at 10 minutes 10Hg, then clamped for 10 minutes.

My midshaft was over 6 for the first time ever after the workout, but I had the ugliest penis I have ever seen. omg!!!

Well, through girth training I for sure have conditioned things to temporarily get bigger. But I want to make sure I am clear in my posts I am really only about a 5 cold turkey.

 

[jqsderrida]

Am I the only one who experiences a BPFSL decrease after around 5 consecutive sets?

 

[alwaystrying]

No jqs, I go through the same thing.....I wonder what does that?

 

[jqsderrida]

My opinion, seeing that this perhaps is a universal phenomenon, is that the penis goes into shock as result of the stress placed upon it. For growth this is horrendous, as several chemical messengers are released from cells when tissues are traumatized and prevents regular cell functioning (reproduction and growth).

 

[alwaystrying]

So u think this is bad jqs?

 

[jqsderrida]

I meant to add: as there exist various economic indexes which provide Ben Bernanke (current Fed chief) with data from which he can steer the growth of the economy, so too does our penis provide us with physiological indexes, the interpretation of which we must grow competent in. Perhaps it is better to stop hanging after the initial BPFSL drop is incurred. That is, at least, what I did today after following a hunch. Perhaps we over-train too severely?

 

[jqsderrida]

I'm going to do some research on the biochemistry of cell trauma. Ill report what I find.

 

[alwaystrying]

Dude, jqs, u may be onto something man.