Andractim is my last hope...

I have decided to take a decon break from DHT as I have obviously plateaued - absolutely no PIs what so ever in the last week or so.

On a positive side, I think the Scaraway gel is working. Should know for certain in another 2 weeks.

Starting tomorrow, I will do 2 days on 1 day off workout routines consisting of 10 minute batHydromaxat workouts at 130-140 mm pressure, followed by 10 minutes of light jelqing. Will wear the ROP as much as I can (10 hours +).

Still have yet to gain anything from the Bathmate + DHT + manual workout experiment.... *shakes head* and the future doesn't look very promising... looking back on it, low intensity workouts don't really help much, and high intensity workouts pose too big of a risk to continue long term (due to foreskin damage). I'm not giving up, but I sure am frustrated as all hell... am I just genetically predisposed to NOT gain from Penis Enlargement? Is there anyone here that would like to shed some light on my predicament?

I think if you could see your penis from before you started Penis Enlargement and then see it now you may feel different. Tonight I was looking at my dick and I was thinking gosh why am I even doing this I am not even growing. And then i remembered how my dick really used to look and then I realized it really has grown even though it doest feel like it. So then I thought Ive only been doing this for 2.5 months. If I were stop now or slow down I will never get results. Its all about consistency D.H. We started around the same time with our routines. Give it a SOLID 6 Months before you decide it aint workin fa sho for ya. I think if you took some pics, not posting them but on your comp for you, You may be surprised by the end of the year at your results. Remember its all about consistency and if you dont see a difference in 2 or 3 months it isn't fair with all that hard work you put in to give up right on the beginning of seeing what could have been. It works, it takes some belief. Maybe slow your routine down to a simpler version. Dont give up.

Not going to give up, not yet anyway... but just FYI, I've been doing this on and off for YEARS. As of the past 2 years, I have been very consistent.

Specifically, I need some advice from a REALLY HARD GAINER - someone like me that has come out the other side with some gains....

Day 2 of Decon 3:

Did a 10 minute Bathmate session at 130-140 mm. Lately, I have been using my jelq device for my 10 minute jelq routine. I am using a new technique that feels pretty good: 70-90% erection, Jelqing up (toward the ceiling) with the Jelq device while pulling down on my testicles. This technique enables greater expansion as I can pull the scrotum away from the base of my penis.

Total ROP time = 10+ hours.

Day 3 of Decon 3:

Felt a little horny today so I did a edge session + Jelq Device Advanced Technique (see above) for 15 minutes. Later in the day, I did a 10 minute Bathmate session at 140-150 mm. I divided the workout into 2 sets of 5 minutes, separated by a 2 minute Jelq Device Advanced Technique (henceforth known as JDAT - for simplicity purposes). This combo enabled a great pump session with no fluid build up. Followed up with a 10 minute JDAT.

Total ROP time = 10+ hours.

Day 4 of Decon 3:

Something happened last night... For the longest time, I had NOT been experiencing significant morning wood, but last night and this morning I experienced multiple erections, ranging between 7-9 on a scale of 10. I have a feeling that the ROP played a major part, and perhaps my workout yesterday added a nice synergistic effect.

Today is my scheduled day off. I plan on wearing my ROP for at least 10 hours.

How is the ROP working for you?

doublelongdaddy;384784 said:

How is the ROP working for you?

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Too early to tell, DLD. Last night was the first night I noticed a significant difference in midnight/morning wood. Another possibly positive effect is that my testicles seem to be hanging a little lower and possibly a little bigger periodically... the lower hang would be the consequence of increased heat which may be associated with increased metabolic activity (hormone production). I remain optimistic. Perhaps another week or 2 I will know whether it is doing something or not.

Curious to know if there is a stronger model that produces more than 1 volt?

Day 5 of Decon 3:

Did a 10 minute Bathmate workout at 140-150 mm pressure divided into 2 - 5 minute sets, separated by 2 minutes of JDAT. Followed up by 10 minutes of JDAT. Experienced a BUNCH of mid-night/morning erections which I believe are resultant from my ROP.

Found an interesting article about acetyl-l-carnitine and its possible effects on Androgen Receptor Activity:

http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/A...nic_Responses_to_Resistance_Exercise_.13.aspx

I know there has been some threads floating around about L-carnitine on MOS... anyone have any definitive success with it and Penis Enlargement?

Hey Doug,

How are you going with the workouts? I see you haven't posted for about a month and a half. I'll be getting started with DHT cream in the next couple of weeks as well. I just started on Andro-D gel. Put it straight onto the penis, without much reaction. I started applying it on my under arms today. As long it gets absorbed.

Did you try evening primrose oil at all? I have been taking between 5grams - 8grams daily. I wake up with morning wood every day now.

Douglas Hamlin;375876 said:

Hey Everyone,

After doing some research online and checking the usual forums, I decided to give Adractim (DHT cream) a shot. This will probably be my last shot at Penis Enlargement - I've been very consistent for 2 years + without much improvement. Actually, the only significant signs of change are new stretch marks and some damaged foreskin from intense Penis Enlargement sessions.

I've tried it all: jelqing, stretching, traction devices, static pumping, dynamic pumping, clamping, clamped jelqing, edging, and a bunch of combinations of the aforementioned. All in all, I think I may have gained a total of 1/8" in both length and girth... Needless to say, I think I am a hard gainer. Anytime I try a new program, it seems to produce PI's for 1-4 weeks, but then it stops. I have never made progress from one routine to the next; it's always a restart button for me.

With all of the research that I have done on the various forums, Penis Enlargement is certainly possible. And from a biochemical perspective, perhaps my tribulations are attributed to a hormonal problem? There is only one way to find out...

So, today I purchased 2 tubes of Andractim from All Saints Clinic. Hopefully my order will arrive soon and I can begin the experiment.

Considering that there are a lot of gaps in user feedback regarding topical DHT experiments, I will post in this thread daily. I plan on cycling andractim (2-4 weeks on, 1-2 weeks off - depending on reactions). In addition to the treatment, I plan to do a 1 on/1 off workout that includes:

(Warm-up)
5 minute warm-up
3 minute jelq
2 minute clamp

(Workout - repeat 4 times)
10 minute pump at 3" with heat (non-erect)
3 minute jelq
2 minute clamp

Finish with 5 minute edging


The workout above is the most recent con-"cock"-tion that I have created. I just finished a 3 week period and am currently recovering until the andractim arrives. Once it does, I'll post starting stats.

If anyone has tips for this experiment, please feel free to chime in. I could use all the help I can get.


-Douglas Hamlin

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How sure are you of how much work you're actually doing? You keep a log? Do/have you always done 1 on 1 off? Do you take weekends off as well? If so, that's 3 days of Penis Enlargement per week with....8 minutes of clamping per day according to you. Well, 10 minutes total counting the warm up. I'd personally switch (going by what you posted) from doing so much pumping (40 minutes) to more actual work. Pumping is something you do after all your work to further expand things. I think the 10 minute break (pumping) after every 2 minutes of clamping is hurting you more than helping. Not to mention, I think jelqs are pretty much nothing better than a warm up exercise for someone with experience. Newbies sometimes see improvement from jelqs, but I RARELY see advanced guys make gains from them.

HOW do you clamp? Have you seen my ''guide'' post with videos in the Clamping forum? Do you do like some of these guys and start erect, then clamp down? Details bro. One clamp? Two? I've been around this game for over a decade, and 9 times outta 10 when I've had a guy come to me saying ''Still I've tried ''EVERYTHING'' and can't gain....'' I'm usually able to show him how to gain. It's almost always something he IS NOT doing....or something he's doing too much of (''warming up'' or pumping for example) that is holding him back. ALSO, more guys actually benefit from very little off time. PM me if need be. I do not always get back to the posts I read. All rubbing DHT on your dick will do for you is raise your testosterone which has nothin to do (except in puberty...and along with MULTIPLE OTHER hormones not just test) with penis growth.

If you have not yet done so, get your blood testosterone and other hormones checked by a qualified endocrinologist. Did you actually consult one before ordering the DHT? You will want to make sure your hormone levels do not get messed up by taking this stuff...it can happen. You're basically taking a very mild steroid cycle by using that stuff. Some men are more sensitive than others to changes in the testosterone levels. Last thing you want is to come off this stuff however many weeks later and have your testosterone in the toilet. Mood swings, (yep, men get em too) erection problems, depression, acne, gyno (bitch tits) and other steroid related sides can occur even on ''low dose'' hormones. That is, if you just ''wing it'' and don't actually know what you are doing. That's where most men mess up when they mess around with hormones. They do not know what they are doing, just heard they should try XYZ because so and so said so and then 8-12 weeks later they have steroid related sides and blame the steroids. Sorry for the rant, but it's the truth.

I think this thread should be sticky'd. The only reason I dont is because it was a total of approx 2 months long. If he were to come back and update every now and then with his current routines it will be sticky. There is much info in this journal and I believe if he stuck with it after a year (even less time) of this specific routine he will see great results. Douglas Hamlin where have you gone?

Hey guys!

Thanks for the feedback. Been super busy with school and work, etc. My routines are all over the map, still trying to find the golden program that provide progressive and continuous gains.

I haven't used my DHT cream since my last post. It's hard to say whether it was working or not... still got most of my 2nd tube left over.

Waiting for my Bathmate replacement (comfort seal disconnection) and will go back to a manual + pump session that will look something like this:

4 sessions/week: 2 on 1 off, 2 on 2 off.

1. 10-15 minute warm up.
2. 5 minutes: Semi-Flaccid bends
3. 5 minutes: Clamped + Jelq Device @ 70-80% erection
4. 8 minutes: Bathmate @ 140-150 mm pressure.
5. 5 minutes: Clamped + Jelq Device @ 70-80% erection

-Doug

How are the gains going?

Hey Doug, I keep so much my fingers crossed for you. I´m also the one who hasn´t made gains, but only I´ve been excercising for 5 full months, most probably wrong, and have not tried all the options. Everytime I read about the guy making little to no gains I would be happy if he makes a breakthrough. If there was invented a cream breaking down collagen in connective tissues we all hardgainers would be become fortunate.

Just tried p-boost after reading some reviews about it. Worked good but pretty pricey. The trial was free but you have to pay for the shipping which was quick. Anyone know any coupon codes for p-boost.com?

MikeMo;459868 said:

Just tried p-boost after reading some reviews about it. Worked good but pretty pricey. The trial was free but you have to pay for the shipping which was quick. Anyone know any coupon codes for p-boost.com?

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Is p-boost a prohormone?

http://dihydrotestosterone.info/dht-cream-penis-growth/

Dht gel can cause some minor penis growth if you have micropenis..however the amount you have to use is extreme to get minimal gains..read that study..

Only reason why I believe it worked a bit was because it was a dht study and the group treated did not have to pay for treatment and they used a much higher concentrated dosage of the cream 25mg....

So does it really work? I want to try it, but on other side I'm very afraid about this shit :/

Douglas Hamlin;375876 said:

Hey Everyone,

After doing some research online and checking the usual forums, I decided to give Adractim (DHT cream) a shot. This will probably be my last shot at Penis Enlargement - I've been very consistent for 2 years + without much improvement

. Actually, the only significant signs of change are new stretch marks and some damaged foreskin from intense Penis Enlargement sessions.

I've tried it all: jelqing, stretching, traction devices, static pumping, dynamic pumping, clamping, clamped jelqing, edging, and a bunch of combinations of the aforementioned. All in all, I think I may have gained a total of 1/8" in both length and girth... Needless to say, I think I am a hard gainer. Anytime I try a new program, it seems to produce PI's for 1-4 weeks, but then it stops. I have never made progress from one routine to the next; it's always a restart button for me.

With all of the research that I have done on the various forums, Penis Enlargement is certainly possible. And from a biochemical perspective, perhaps my tribulations are attributed to a hormonal problem? There is only one way to find out...

So, today I purchased 2 tubes of Andractim from http://www.allsaintsclinic.org Hopefully my order will arrive soon and I can begin the experiment.

Considering that there are a lot of gaps in user feedback regarding topical DHT experiments, I will post in this thread daily. I plan on cycling andractim (2-4 weeks on, 1-2 weeks off - depending on reactions). In addition to the treatment, I plan to do a 1 on/1 off workout that includes:

(Warm-up)
5 minute warm-up
3 minute jelq
2 minute clamp

(Workout - repeat 4 times)
10 minute pump at 3" with heat (non-erect)
3 minute jelq
2 minute clamp

Finish with 5 minute edging


The workout above is the most recent con-"cock"-tion that I have created. I just finished a 3 week period and am currently recovering until the andractim arrives. Once it does, I'll post starting stats.

If anyone has tips for this experiment, please feel free to chime in. I could use all the help I can get.

-Douglas Hamlin

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Your routine looks right. Adding Andractim will bring some gain for sure.

ppuskin;507370 said:

Your routine looks right. Adding Andractim will bring some gain for sure.

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Thanks for your advice.