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Pardon my writing tonight... I am a bit drunk. 
Day 1 of Phase 3 (2nd application):
Several hours after my first application, I did a 15 minute Bathmate workout at 155-165 mm pressure. Immediately after the session, I noticed a significant difference in my pump; my penis was much more red, less fluid retention, and filled with blood! I had a great sense of heaviness about my penis that definitely paid dividends during my manual routine (each jelq felt like I was moving much more blood). Followed up with 3.75 grams of DHT. I also experience a nice post workout flaccid that lasted all night and through the next morning.
Day 2 of Phase 3:
Did a light manual routine of 8-10 minutes of jelqing/clamping/edging prior to my first 3.75 grams of DHT. Several hours later, did a 15 minute Bathmate workout at 155-165 mm. Immediately after pump session, I noticed that my pump was not as red nor as full as yesterdays session. Respectively, I noticed that I experienced a proportionate increase in fluid retention - which leads me to believe that if you are NOT going to draw in blood, your going to draw in lymph fluid. I need to figure out some way to definitively ensure that my pump session is pulling blood and not lymph fluid...
Anyways... I followed up with a full 22 minute jelq/clamp/erect bend workout and then applied my 2nd 3.75 DHT dose. Post workout flaccid was not as impressive as the night prior. Which leads me to wonder why I would experience such a significant positive effect Day 1 and NOT on Day 2...?
Day 3 of Phase 3:
Did a very short 3 minute jelq prior to my first 3.75 DHT app. Later in the day, I decided to apply my DHT prior to my Bathmate session. I let it soak in for 30 minutes - then did my Bathmate + manual routine (to see if it produces a more positive effect). Difficult to determine if the pre-app was more effective than post app, but definitely bears repeating. My penis did feel a bit bigger during manual routine than day 2, but less significant than day 1. Similarly, immediate post Bathmate pump effect felt somewhere in between: not quite as full/red as day 1, but a bit more full/red than day 2.
Today's manual routine (day 3) was a bit shorter than I would have liked it to be. I only had enough time to do a 15 minute workout, which I spent on jelqing/clamping/edging; which, as I mentioned previously, my penis felt a bit more engorged than day 2, but less so than day 1.
Reflection - Based on my results thus far, 2 things may be determined:
1. DHT does seem to work, but the extent of which is highly volatile. I need to determine whether I need constant, continual use (daily applications) or intermittent use (every 2 or 3 days).
2. Bathmate sessions do provide positive effects that can be amplified by manual routines post pump, however, Bathmate sessions need to be monitored to ensure blood pump and NOT lymph pump.
Day 1 of Phase 3 (2nd application):
Several hours after my first application, I did a 15 minute Bathmate workout at 155-165 mm pressure. Immediately after the session, I noticed a significant difference in my pump; my penis was much more red, less fluid retention, and filled with blood! I had a great sense of heaviness about my penis that definitely paid dividends during my manual routine (each jelq felt like I was moving much more blood). Followed up with 3.75 grams of DHT. I also experience a nice post workout flaccid that lasted all night and through the next morning.
Day 2 of Phase 3:
Did a light manual routine of 8-10 minutes of jelqing/clamping/edging prior to my first 3.75 grams of DHT. Several hours later, did a 15 minute Bathmate workout at 155-165 mm. Immediately after pump session, I noticed that my pump was not as red nor as full as yesterdays session. Respectively, I noticed that I experienced a proportionate increase in fluid retention - which leads me to believe that if you are NOT going to draw in blood, your going to draw in lymph fluid. I need to figure out some way to definitively ensure that my pump session is pulling blood and not lymph fluid...
Anyways... I followed up with a full 22 minute jelq/clamp/erect bend workout and then applied my 2nd 3.75 DHT dose. Post workout flaccid was not as impressive as the night prior. Which leads me to wonder why I would experience such a significant positive effect Day 1 and NOT on Day 2...?
Day 3 of Phase 3:
Did a very short 3 minute jelq prior to my first 3.75 DHT app. Later in the day, I decided to apply my DHT prior to my Bathmate session. I let it soak in for 30 minutes - then did my Bathmate + manual routine (to see if it produces a more positive effect). Difficult to determine if the pre-app was more effective than post app, but definitely bears repeating. My penis did feel a bit bigger during manual routine than day 2, but less significant than day 1. Similarly, immediate post Bathmate pump effect felt somewhere in between: not quite as full/red as day 1, but a bit more full/red than day 2.
Today's manual routine (day 3) was a bit shorter than I would have liked it to be. I only had enough time to do a 15 minute workout, which I spent on jelqing/clamping/edging; which, as I mentioned previously, my penis felt a bit more engorged than day 2, but less so than day 1.
Reflection - Based on my results thus far, 2 things may be determined:
1. DHT does seem to work, but the extent of which is highly volatile. I need to determine whether I need constant, continual use (daily applications) or intermittent use (every 2 or 3 days).
2. Bathmate sessions do provide positive effects that can be amplified by manual routines post pump, however, Bathmate sessions need to be monitored to ensure blood pump and NOT lymph pump.
Douglas Hamlin;381425 said:Pardon my writing tonight... I am a bit drunk.
Day 2 of Phase 3:
Did a light manual routine of 8-10 minutes of jelqing/clamping/edging prior to my first 3.75 grams of DHT. Several hours later, did a 15 minute Bathmate workout at 155-165 mm. Immediately after pump session, I noticed that my pump was not as red nor as full as yesterdays session. Respectively, I noticed that I experienced a proportionate increase in fluid retention - which leads me to believe that if you are NOT going to draw in blood, your going to draw in lymph fluid. I need to figure out some way to definitively ensure that my pump session is pulling blood and not lymph fluid..............
................Anyways... I followed up with a full 22 minute jelq/clamp/erect bend workout and then applied my 2nd 3.75 DHT dose. Post workout flaccid was not as impressive as the night prior. Which leads me to wonder why I would experience such a significant positive effect Day 1 and NOT on Day 2...?
Nice work I like your consistency and how you are dedicated to your goals.
Here my guess about fluid buildup.I have minimum fluid build up and it might be because I go into the Bathmate fully erect and kegal during my session. It is a very intense workout and after my penis is always engorged with blood and hanging low which I can say Ive never had before ever! Also someone told me a little fluid buildup is healthy....
If your concerned that you penis looked bigger on day 1 and not day 2 it is possibly fatigue, when I started my workouts my penis was actually measuring smaller and I took no rest days: but my gains still came a month and 2 months later. Also maybe like pushups some days I can do 60 pushups easily and the next day I have trouble getting in the first 10. ! . It a good thing that means your tearin down those micro cells metamorphosing more cells splitting, growing, and doubling all the tissue in your penis!
I know youve been at this a long time but your consistency will get you your gains sometimes it may look like were getting nowhere but not long after that is where it will happen. Sometimes I work so hard daily and I want to see more than I have or I train really hard for 2 weeks and I measure the same, but I just picture 1 year in my head; I picture 7", 8", 9" on the ruler; I imagine December and January, February and March- then I sit down and give everything I have to that day's workout.
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Day 4 of Phase 3:
Tried something new today... Prior to my Bathmate workout, I did a quick 3 minute jelq in hopes to facilitate more blood pooling and less lymph. After that, I did a 15 minute Bathmate session at 150-155 mm pressure. The Workout felt really comfortable and produced a nice post-pump effect: moderate redness, heft, and pump. Manual workout felt productive as well, which consisted of 25 minutes of jelqing/edging/clamping. I did not measure, but my penis felt a bit bigger than the usual, perhaps 1/16-1/8+ girth and length.
I also opted to have a day off from DHT. Tomorrow I am going to experiment with 5 grams in 1 application, every day. This will provide two significant changes:
1. Greater dosage at one time.
2. Greater recuperation phase that may provide for better DHT binding.
Tried something new today... Prior to my Bathmate workout, I did a quick 3 minute jelq in hopes to facilitate more blood pooling and less lymph. After that, I did a 15 minute Bathmate session at 150-155 mm pressure. The Workout felt really comfortable and produced a nice post-pump effect: moderate redness, heft, and pump. Manual workout felt productive as well, which consisted of 25 minutes of jelqing/edging/clamping. I did not measure, but my penis felt a bit bigger than the usual, perhaps 1/16-1/8+ girth and length.
I also opted to have a day off from DHT. Tomorrow I am going to experiment with 5 grams in 1 application, every day. This will provide two significant changes:
1. Greater dosage at one time.
2. Greater recuperation phase that may provide for better DHT binding.
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Douglas Hamlin;381560 said:Last night's workout was better than I thought! It produced a nice flaccid hang and warmth that is still present - even as I write this now. Definitely going to start my Bathmate workouts with a 3-5 minute jelq to see if benefits persist.
Is your Bathmate routine changing?
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Day 5 of Phase 3:
Applied 5 grams of DHT and let it soak in for 1.5 hours. Then I jelqed for 4 minutes prior to my 15 minute Bathmate at 150-155 mm. Bathmate workout went very well, and provided a nice pump, with good blood engorgement and very little lymph fluid. Manual routine felt great, which consisted of 30 minutes of jelqing/clamping/edging. About 10 minutes into my routine, I decided to use a velcro tourniquet for a clamped edge session - which felt amazing! My penis was extremely engorged!
Immediately post workout, I noticed that my penis felt very warm - both in sensation and to the touch. We'll see how this uber intense workout pays off tomorrow.
Applied 5 grams of DHT and let it soak in for 1.5 hours. Then I jelqed for 4 minutes prior to my 15 minute Bathmate at 150-155 mm. Bathmate workout went very well, and provided a nice pump, with good blood engorgement and very little lymph fluid. Manual routine felt great, which consisted of 30 minutes of jelqing/clamping/edging. About 10 minutes into my routine, I decided to use a velcro tourniquet for a clamped edge session - which felt amazing! My penis was extremely engorged!
Immediately post workout, I noticed that my penis felt very warm - both in sensation and to the touch. We'll see how this uber intense workout pays off tomorrow.
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Turnover;381676 said:
I had tried that with my previous workouts and may go back. For now I am experimenting with a different approach, but rest assured, DHT is absorbed quickly and is not "washed off" by the time I get into the tub.
Update from yesterday's workout: My flaccid is hanging about 1/8" thicker today - which is a great sign of a great workout.
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Too early to tell, DLD. I get these PIs from time to time, but they usually fade. I know I will be on the right track if either:
1. Flaccid stays fuller for several days/weeks in a row
or
2. Flaccid may fluctuate in fullness, but fullness gets larger over time.
So far, neither of these events have ever happened in a consistent fashion. Regardless, I remain optimistic and will continue to move forward and troubleshoot my workouts accordingly.
1. Flaccid stays fuller for several days/weeks in a row
or
2. Flaccid may fluctuate in fullness, but fullness gets larger over time.
So far, neither of these events have ever happened in a consistent fashion. Regardless, I remain optimistic and will continue to move forward and troubleshoot my workouts accordingly.
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Day 6 of Phase 3:
Was horny in the afternoon so I took out my aggression on my cock! Did a 12 minute clamped edge session. Felt nice.
Later in the evening, I did my 5 gram DHT - 1 hour soak - 4 minute jelq warm-up then 15 minute Bathmate workout at 150-155 mm. Bathmate workouts have been feeling consistently better, but not quite as potent as they can be (based on some of my fluke uber Bathmate workout reactions). Measured girth immediately post pump: 4 7/8" mid shaft, 5 1/8" base. These values are good, but as I have mentioned before, I have experienced 5" mid shaft girth. I hope I can get back on that track...
Followed up my Bathmate workout with a 25 minute manual routine: jelqing/clamped edging/erect bending. Penis felt worked out - very warm in sensation and to the touch. Still have about 1/8" increased mid-shaft girth (4 3/8"). Looking forward to improving it to 4 1/2".
Was horny in the afternoon so I took out my aggression on my cock!
Did a 12 minute clamped edge session. Felt nice.Later in the evening, I did my 5 gram DHT - 1 hour soak - 4 minute jelq warm-up then 15 minute Bathmate workout at 150-155 mm. Bathmate workouts have been feeling consistently better, but not quite as potent as they can be (based on some of my fluke uber Bathmate workout reactions). Measured girth immediately post pump: 4 7/8" mid shaft, 5 1/8" base. These values are good, but as I have mentioned before, I have experienced 5" mid shaft girth. I hope I can get back on that track...
Followed up my Bathmate workout with a 25 minute manual routine: jelqing/clamped edging/erect bending. Penis felt worked out - very warm in sensation and to the touch. Still have about 1/8" increased mid-shaft girth (4 3/8"). Looking forward to improving it to 4 1/2".
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Day 7 of Phase 3:
Decided to have a lower intensity day, and man has it paid off! Did a 4 minute jelq warm-up prior to my 12 minute Bathmate workout at 150-155 mm. Instead of a manual routine, I opted to have sex with my girlfriend - which is always more enjoyable!
I swear... I have to gain... I need to gain... not only for me and my confidence/sexual gratification, but for my girlfriend as well! Last night, during sex (after my Bathmate session), my cock felt noticeably thicker (1/8-1/4") - and I'm sure she could feel the difference too. It was late in the evening, and at first she was like: "lets just take care of you..." but after a few minutes, she was squirtin' all over my cock! Now... this happens from time to time, but never has it happened this quickly - and never would I have imagined that she could have an orgasm when she's "tired" (never happens). The extra girth must have been a significant factor in the precipitation of her fast and powerful orgasm (she almost always orgasms, but rarely squirts!).
After, I applied 5 grams of DHT and passed the fuck out. Today, my flaccid feels heavy! I'm hanging around 4 1/2" girth! There are only 3 possible explanations for this:
1. Lower intensity workout.
2. Sex and some type of hormonal response.
3. A combination of the two.
I will try to replicate to the best of my ability these results. So, I will do 2 days heavy intensity and 1 day light intensity to see if the results will accumulate.
Decided to have a lower intensity day, and man has it paid off! Did a 4 minute jelq warm-up prior to my 12 minute Bathmate workout at 150-155 mm. Instead of a manual routine, I opted to have sex with my girlfriend - which is always more enjoyable!
I swear... I have to gain... I need to gain... not only for me and my confidence/sexual gratification, but for my girlfriend as well! Last night, during sex (after my Bathmate session), my cock felt noticeably thicker (1/8-1/4") - and I'm sure she could feel the difference too. It was late in the evening, and at first she was like: "lets just take care of you..." but after a few minutes, she was squirtin' all over my cock! Now... this happens from time to time, but never has it happened this quickly - and never would I have imagined that she could have an orgasm when she's "tired" (never happens). The extra girth must have been a significant factor in the precipitation of her fast and powerful orgasm (she almost always orgasms, but rarely squirts!).
After, I applied 5 grams of DHT and passed the fuck out. Today, my flaccid feels heavy! I'm hanging around 4 1/2" girth! There are only 3 possible explanations for this:
1. Lower intensity workout.
2. Sex and some type of hormonal response.
3. A combination of the two.
I will try to replicate to the best of my ability these results. So, I will do 2 days heavy intensity and 1 day light intensity to see if the results will accumulate.
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Day 8 of Phase 3:
Did my 4 minute warm-up, 15 minute Bathmate at 150-155 mm. Session felt a little intense, but overall went well. Followed up with a 5 minute manual routine that turned into clamped sex. After we finished, I applied 5 grams of DHT.
Day 9 of Phase 3:
For most of the day, my flaccid felt pretty good, perhaps around 4 3/8" girth. Did my usual 4 minute warm-up + 15 minute Bathmate workout at 150-155 mm. Workout felt very comfortable today and I will soon start increasing intensity to the 155-160 mm level. Followed up with a 20 minute manual routine (jelq/clamped edging) and applied 5 grams of DHT.
Several hours post workout, my flaccid is hanging not as healthy as it was earlier today and feels quite cold but still a bit bigger than the usual. Don't know what to make of it, nor am I worried.
Did my 4 minute warm-up, 15 minute Bathmate at 150-155 mm. Session felt a little intense, but overall went well. Followed up with a 5 minute manual routine that turned into clamped sex.
After we finished, I applied 5 grams of DHT.Day 9 of Phase 3:
For most of the day, my flaccid felt pretty good, perhaps around 4 3/8" girth. Did my usual 4 minute warm-up + 15 minute Bathmate workout at 150-155 mm. Workout felt very comfortable today and I will soon start increasing intensity to the 155-160 mm level. Followed up with a 20 minute manual routine (jelq/clamped edging) and applied 5 grams of DHT.
Several hours post workout, my flaccid is hanging not as healthy as it was earlier today and feels quite cold but still a bit bigger than the usual. Don't know what to make of it, nor am I worried.
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Douglas Hamlin;382067 said:Several hours post workout, my flaccid is hanging not as healthy as it was earlier today and feels quite cold but still a bit bigger than the usual. Don't know what to make of it, nor am I worried.
Don't worry too much on this, flaccid size can be effected by hundreds of different things.
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Day 10 of Phase 3:
Unintended day off - Missed my workout and did not apply DHT either.
Day 11 of Phase 3:
Did a 4 minute jelq warm-up, 15 minute Bathmate workout at 155-160 mm, followed by a 25 minute jelq/clamped edge manual routine. Applied 5 grams of DHT to finish.
Flaccid is hanging pretty good right now, fluctuating between 4 3/8" and 4 1/2" - although a little cold.
Starting yesterday (day 10), I decided to experiment with organic virgin coconut oil as lube for Penis Enlargement and a general conditioner to treat my foreskin. So far it works well! My cock smells like a frickin' coconut macaroon cookie!
Perhaps it is a little too early to determine, but my penis feels a bit more plump with coconut oil. Has anyone had any experience with this?
Dford! Where the hell are you buddy!?
Unintended day off - Missed my workout and did not apply DHT either.
Day 11 of Phase 3:
Did a 4 minute jelq warm-up, 15 minute Bathmate workout at 155-160 mm, followed by a 25 minute jelq/clamped edge manual routine. Applied 5 grams of DHT to finish.
Flaccid is hanging pretty good right now, fluctuating between 4 3/8" and 4 1/2" - although a little cold.
Starting yesterday (day 10), I decided to experiment with organic virgin coconut oil as lube for Penis Enlargement and a general conditioner to treat my foreskin. So far it works well! My cock smells like a frickin' coconut macaroon cookie!
Perhaps it is a little too early to determine, but my penis feels a bit more plump with coconut oil. Has anyone had any experience with this?
Dford! Where the hell are you buddy!?
