Andractim is my last hope...

I applied 2.5 grams prior to my workout today. Workout went well, but I'm still having a little trouble control ejaculation during edging (I came the littlest bit toward the very end of my session). I had a decent pump today post workout, but nothing too extreme.

Just applied another 2.5 grams before going to bed. I noticed that if you don't massage it in, it flakes off. Flakes = waste.

Right now my flaccid is quite normal. Hopefully I'll be able to sleep tonight.

Douglas Hamlin;376764 said:

I applied 2.5 grams prior to my workout today. Workout went well, but I'm still having a little trouble control ejaculation during edging (I came the littlest bit toward the very end of my session). I had a decent pump today post workout, but nothing too extreme.

Just applied another 2.5 grams before going to bed. I noticed that if you don't massage it in, it flakes off. Flakes = waste.

Right now my flaccid is quite normal. Hopefully I'll be able to sleep tonight.

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You are going through a lot now, making big decisions, changing life style, etc. this will effect your sleep but with the help of melatonin, or the like, you will find that rest. What did you decide on the Bathmate?

DLD: Ordered my Bathmate today. I'll include into my workout program once it arrives. If you need my order number for affiliate compensation, let me know.

Day 3:

I couldn't sleep again last night, even after 2 - 3 mg melatonins, 1 g of GABA, and 100 mg of 5-HTP. Three letters for ya... W-T-F!?

Today is a scheduled day off. Still no morning wood as a result of no sleep. Aside from that, I have not experience my positive signs from my Andractim experiment. The warmth and fuller flaccid that I experienced on Day 1 was absent today. No feelings of horniness nor irritability (well, no more than the usual anyway).

My girlfriend prepped 3 bags of bedtime tea. Hopefully I'll sleep tonight. Prior to bed, i'll apply my 2nd dose of 2.5 grams.

Finally got a little sleep last night. Had some morning wood, but nothing extreme (typical morning erection, on a scale of 10: 6-7)

Day 4:

My day is packed and will hopefully be able to squeeze in a workout tonight. Already rubbed in 2.5 grams for my morning dose. Still no PIs as of yet; no side effects either (acne, aggression, oily scalp, etc.).

Sorry for the lapse in posts. My weekend was a perfect combination of busy and lazy.

I did not have a chance to workout on Day 4. Nor did I experience any PIs.

I did a modified routine on Day 5 that included extended jelq sessions without edging. Been sleeping ok and experiencing typical morning wood but nothing skin popping as I would have expected from the Andractim.

So far, I have been very consistent with the application of 2.5 grams 2x daily. Today is a scheduled day off, but I may squeeze in some light jelqing prior to the Andractim applications.

Fell off the wagon on Days 6 & 7 due to my friend being in town. My whole schedule has been thrown off and I will have to resume after Sunday, April 18th.

Haven't been Penis Enlargementing nor applying andractim; nor have I noticed any negative or positive PIs for growth.

A bit of reflection: Seeing as how the only day that I ever experienced PIs was the first night, it may be possible that I have already adapted to the dose and down-regulated DHT receptors. Respectively, when I get back on track, I will pursue a 1 day on/1 day off cycle to see if things pick up again.

DH, I ordered some adractim this weekend, I have not received and shipping info. and the money has not come off of my card yet, is this normal? I live in the states, I don't know if that plays a part or not. Keep up the detailed log, it's very motivational for us

Dford

Douglas Hamlin;376905 said:

I couldn't sleep again last night, even after 2 - 3 mg melatonins, 1 g of GABA, and 100 mg of 5-HTP. Three letters for ya... W-T-F!?

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Don't read into it too much, I occasionally go through insomnia and if I let it get to me it gets worse, if I just go with it the sleep comes faster.

dickfordays;377452 said:

DH, I ordered some adractim this weekend, I have not received and shipping info. and the money has not come off of my card yet, is this normal? I live in the states, I don't know if that plays a part or not. Keep up the detailed log, it's very motivational for us

Dford

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Did you place the order last weekend? The money should be deducted within 1-2 days. Your package should arrive within 5-7 days of your order - mine did.

Thanks, Dford! I'll definitely keep posting - progress or not; some light needs to be shed on the whole DHT supplement route.

I have been off Andractim since April 12th. Today is my 5th day off. My friend is in town for another few days and I will abstain from exercising and supplementing till I can get back on a dedicated routine.

A couple nights ago (April 14th), I got really horny and had some fun with my girlfriend. My erection was pretty strong - not skin bursting strong, but a little better than the usual. After sex, I did some clamping + kegels for about 2 minutes. I have clamped before, and am not exactly sure why, but this clamp session (although short) felt intense! I was able to induce a 9.5-10 point erection (on a scale of 1-10). I had that skin popping/stretching experience that felt amazing!

The next day I hung a little heavier all day. Not sure if these PIs are from post andractim application or purely just some fluke effect from clamping post orgasm (which I don't have that much experience with). Hopefully with more experience, I can discern whether its related to Andractim or a new way of doing clamping (post orgasm).

Douglas Hamlin;377586 said:

I have been off Andractim since April 12th. Today is my 5th day off. My friend is in town for another few days and I will abstain from exercising and supplementing till I can get back on a dedicated routine.

A couple nights ago (April 14th), I got really horny and had some fun with my girlfriend. My erection was pretty strong - not skin bursting strong, but a little better than the usual. After sex, I did some clamping + kegels for about 2 minutes. I have clamped before, and am not exactly sure why, but this clamp session (although short) felt intense! I was able to induce a 9.5-10 point erection (on a scale of 1-10). I had that skin popping/stretching experience that felt amazing!

The next day I hung a little heavier all day. Not sure if these PIs are from post andractim application or purely just some fluke effect from clamping post orgasm (which I don't have that much experience with). Hopefully with more experience, I can discern whether its related to Andractim or a new way of doing clamping (post orgasm).

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Sounds like it is going great, a huge improvement from your first post.

Thanks DLD!

Minor semantic correction on my erection level during the post orgasm clamping: Most guys are trying to induce that coveted 110% erection while clamping - which I have certainly done before. But this felt unlike anything I have ever done before, like 115%! So on a scale of 1-10, that would be more like an 11.5.

On a side note, my sleep quality has improved which I am sure is diet related. After I made some changes to my nutrition, my sleep quality restored overnight.

DH, good to hear things are getting a little better, may be too early to pinpoint the reasons though, hopefully it's your work outs and DHT. I agree, I think DHT needs to be looked into a little more, I'll contribute my results. I think DHT may work great for some, and not for others, depending upon a person's chemistry, receptors, history, etc. My order has still not gone through, no money has come out, and no shipping info. yet. I ordered on Sunday. I'll give them the 10 days they ask for before inquiring about my order status, hopefully it didn't get rejected, I put gyno as the reason though.

Dford

dickfordays;377606 said:

DH, good to hear things are getting a little better, may be too early to pinpoint the reasons though, hopefully it's your work outs and DHT. I agree, I think DHT needs to be looked into a little more, I'll contribute my results. I think DHT may work great for some, and not for others, depending upon a person's chemistry, receptors, history, etc. My order has still not gone through, no money has come out, and no shipping info. yet. I ordered on Sunday. I'll give them the 10 days they ask for before inquiring about my order status, hopefully it didn't get rejected, I put gyno as the reason though.

Dford

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You should be good. I indicated gyno as well.

As far as progress is concerned, I am still unable to workout yet my flaccid has been hanging fuller everyday since the post orgasm clamp workout. Since I haven't been Penis Enlargementing, I am wondering if my PIs are resultant from some sort of latent DHT effects...

DH, I just had an idea about applying DHT or any other topical for that matter. Check out micro needle rollers, just google it or search for it on ebay. It's a roller with tiny needles that you roll over your skin to create tiny openings so that your topical products are absorbed much better. I'm not sure if absorbtion is a problem with Andractim, I'm just brainstorming here. If I ever get my Andractim and I find that it's not working like I hope, I may experiment with this. Let me know your thoughts on this, I've never used Andractim before, maybe you can offer some good insight about this idea.

Dford

The andractim gel has an alcohol base. Pin holes with an alcohol burn doesn't seem too appealing. Would this fall under 'No pain, no gain'?

Yes that sounds like it could be painful, I didn't know about the alcohol base! Maybe I won't try it. Hopefully absorbtion will not be an issue.

Dford

I dont think absorption is an issue. The gel seems to absorb quite effectively as long as you massage it in. I highly recommend using latex gloves to prevent any from being absorbed into your hands.

Hypothetically speaking, if absorption were an issue, DMSO could be used topically in conjunction with DHT application.

I will resume my Penis Enlargement and Andractim Applications tomorrow. Based on my experience thus far, I am going to switch to a 1 day on/1 day off DHT application (2.5 grams 2 times per day).

I'm also thinking about mixing up my workout as well - cutting out pumping (until my Bathmate arrives) and focus on more jelqing/clamping and possibly edging. I will post the specifics on my workout routine tomorrow.

Just received my Bathmate in the mail today! Took about 10 days to arrive.

I never take baths, so I also ordered the Shower Strap. I was so excited to try it out, the very next thing I did was jump in the shower.

First impressions:

The shower strap is way too small to be useful (practically choking myself trying to get it right). I ordered a medium on the account that I am 5'11 and usually wear medium clothing. Wrong! I need a Large. And since they are adjustable, I imagine everyone should order the large (or they can just make it a "one-size-fits-all").

The rubber gasket of this thing is incredible and provides an impressive amount of suction and support! Once attached, I was able to let it 'hang' freely without a loss of grip for about 30 seconds or so. Allowing the unit to hang provides additional suction that could be used as an optional workout method. With a little practice, I am sure I could use it without the strap, however, I do not know if that will be safe (too much pressure = injury).

I wore the Bathmate for 15 minutes, periodically removing it to refill the water level and restore heat. It genuinely feels a little different than traditional air pumping though its hard to articulate how... After the 15 minutes was up, I had a substantially greater hang and pump with no fluid retention (much different than air pumps which leave you hung with lymph fluid). I wish I had my tape measure handy... all I can say for now is that it felt big and heavy.

Pump lasted about 10-15 minutes and as I write this my penis is hanging at about 5" length x 4 1/2" girth, which is a little above normal (4 7/8" x 4 3/8"). We'll see if it builds above that...

According to DLD and RedZulu, the Bathmate can be used everyday, which I intend to do. I will stick with the 1 on/1 off DHT application. Still contemplating my post Bathmate, pre-DHT workout routine. Will post once I figure it out.

DH, I've been using my Bathmate daily for about a month, sometimes twice a day with no real problems except tiny spots from burst blood vessels and capillaries. I use it at night so I've been planning on using the DHT after my Bathmate session. Still no word on the Andractim though, I emailed them to inquire about my order and have not heard back, something is obviously wrong, I ordered over a week ago and the money still has not been debited. Anyway, I didn't get the shower strap so I've had to improvise one, I don't like having to hold it the whole time. I don't use it in the shower or bath at all, when you have a good seal you should not lose any water unless you pump, so I just keep an empty glass handy. I hope the Bathmate helps to kickstart your gains, it is definitely different than air pumping, I get good expansion instead of just a weird looking unit from air pumping. From the reviews, guys have been getting good gains in both length and girth so hopefully you'll respond well to it. I think those who have issues with EQ see the best results from it, however. I've always had super stong erections so my results have only been temporary at this point, hopefully the daily expansion will lead to gains in time though. At the least, having a new toy always brings new motivation, keep it up

Dford