Andractim is my last hope...

I'm sure I was reading biased information but the side effects sounded like they were potentially pretty bad.
 
Awesome! They may work with you and trade your strap for a larger one....worth an email
 
dickfordays;378993 said:
Hey DH, that's great, keep up that combo and let us know how it goes! I'm prone to the sneak attack too, except I usaully try a "forced entry in the back door" then when I wake up I hear about it and I had no idea I did it. I haven't had that in a while, but when I did, I had a ton of extra testosterone in me so I think there is a hormonal correlation, maybe that's the DHT taking effect. I'll let you know if this starts happening again when I get my DHT.

Dford
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LOL Rear entry!? Wow... if I ever tried that, my girl would kill me!

Signs of progress:

My flaccid hang is almost always 1/8" to 1/4" thicker, 1/8" longer, warm to the touch, and general feels fuller. My erections feel a little fuller as well, but I haven't measured yet. Nocturnal erections feel more like 7-8 on a scale of 10.

Day 8 of Phase 2.

Just did a 10 minute Bathmate session followed by 2 minutes of jelqing and my first 2.5 grams of DHT. Later this evening, I will do a 15 minute Bathmate session followed up by 20 minutes of jelqing/clamping/erect bending and 2.5 grams of DHT.
 
That's great! I'm glad you are seeing some consistent PI's. I know an issue with topicals is the pores becoming closed and resistant pretty quickly, I think the Bathmate will really help keep them open and receptive for the DHT. That combined with the effects of the Bathmate itself should bring some good results. The only problem you'll have is determining where all your new gains are coming from!

Dford
 
dickfordays;379076 said:
That's great! I'm glad you are seeing some consistent PI's. I know an issue with topicals is the pores becoming closed and resistant pretty quickly, I think the Bathmate will really help keep them open and receptive for the DHT. That combined with the effects of the Bathmate itself should bring some good results. The only problem you'll have is determining where all your new gains are coming from!

Dford
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Interesting theory about the pores, Dford. I haven't noticed any difference in absorption between pre-Bathmate and post Bathmate DHT application, but who knows... Considering my trials and tribulations, determining whether it is the DHT or the Bathmate that is contributing to my gains is not really a problem at all. ;)

But seriously, I will try to discern if there are any differences during my next deconditioning break from Andractim - which may be in about another 1-3 weeks.
 
Day 9 of Phase 2:

Scheduled day off of Andractim. Penis has been a little sore for the last couple days, so I took it easy on my Bathmate session. I did 15 minutes at about 145 mm, which is about 10 mm less than my usual pump session.
 
Day 10 of Phase 2:

Scheduled Andractim day, however, I ran out of latex gloves and due to my hectic schedule, I was unable to acquire some more. Accordingly, I decided not to apply at all today.

Managed to squeeze in a 15 minute Bathmate session, 20 minute jelq/erect bend/clamp session, followed up with sex with my girl.

During my Bathmate session, I noticed that my penis felt a little more sore at the same intensity and duration than usual. When I finished, I also noticed slightly more fluid build up as well. During sex, I also felt a little desensitized... I take all of these as indicators that I need to take 1-2 days of absolute rest - no Penis Enlargement, no sex. I also took the liberty to measure immediate post pump girth, my states are: 5 1/8" base, 4 7/8-5" mid-shaft (depending on location). Still fairly consistent with previous pump measurement. Hopefully it will improve within a week or two. :)
 
Where are you guys applying the Andractim? Penis? Torso? Under arms? Where would be the most affective place to apply it?
 
It looks like you are making some of the fastest changes I have seen, mentally and physically.

Keep on keepin on!
 
I got my order finally, I'm applying 2.5g onto the penis, 4 times per day. I plan on taking a day off every three or four days to let the pores become receptive again (I read somewhere that they become un-receptive after a period of time and that it takes a day or so to become receptive again). I must say, I'm very attuned to my hormone activity and I can tell already that something is going on! I'll keep everyone posted.

Dford
 
I'm doing the 2.5 2x's daily, but switch up points of application. 1 day it's 1.25 on my chest and the rest on my penis. 1 day I'll do both 2.5g on my chest, or under arms. Been on it almost 2 weeks, not sure about gains, but it has subsided my puffy nipples and has made me more energetic. I feel normal and pumped after my long runs, whereas before I was beat and really fatigued. We'll see after 8 weeks.
 
Hellface;379454 said:
Where are you guys applying the Andractim? Penis? Torso? Under arms? Where would be the most affective place to apply it?
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For Penis Enlargement, stick to applying it to the penis. Applying it to your chest may reduce gynecomastia (bitch tits - no offense), hence the reduction in puffy nipples.
 
dickfordays;379468 said:
I got my order finally, I'm applying 2.5g onto the penis, 4 times per day. I plan on taking a day off every three or four days to let the pores become receptive again (I read somewhere that they become un-receptive after a period of time and that it takes a day or so to become receptive again). I must say, I'm very attuned to my hormone activity and I can tell already that something is going on! I'll keep everyone posted.

Dford
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Wow! 10 grams per day? I'll give that a try after my next decon break!

Dford, as it is, have you been gaining with your current routine?

Keep posting your progress here! I would love to compare notes! :)
 
DH, from what I've read and studied, I think the higher dose may be more beneficial. At this rate however, I'm going to run out of it pretty quickly, hopefully I'll be able to tell definitively by then if it's working or not. We'll definitely have to compare notes as we progress. I've been gaining fairly well from my current routine, but it seems to have slowed down lately, I'm hoping this will kick start some new growth and I have a feeling it will. I added in the Bathmate about a month or so ago, I think that combo has some promise. As of now, I do intense manuals with a Length Master like device, wear an extender as much as possible, and use the Bathmate once or sometimes twice a day (and now 10g of andractim). That's the extent of my current routine, all together it takes a couple hours per day to complete. I consider myself a hard gainer (most easy gainers, in my opinion, have low EQ's and the Penis Enlargement corrects that quickly giving the false impression of quick gains), but I think everyone can gain if they find the right protocol for themselves. I think time and tension has to lead to gains eventually, but the amount that each individual needs can vary, and I plan pushing forward until my goals are reached:).

Dford
 
dickfordays;379506 said:
DH, from what I've read and studied, I think the higher dose may be more beneficial. At this rate however, I'm going to run out of it pretty quickly, hopefully I'll be able to tell definitively by then if it's working or not. We'll definitely have to compare notes as we progress. I've been gaining fairly well from my current routine, but it seems to have slowed down lately, I'm hoping this will kick start some new growth and I have a feeling it will. I added in the Bathmate about a month or so ago, I think that combo has some promise. As of now, I do intense manuals with a Length Master like device, wear an extender as much as possible, and use the Bathmate once or sometimes twice a day (and now 10g of andractim). That's the extent of my current routine, all together it takes a couple hours per day to complete. I consider myself a hard gainer (most easy gainers, in my opinion, have low EQ's and the Penis Enlargement corrects that quickly giving the false impression of quick gains), but I think everyone can gain if they find the right protocol for themselves. I think time and tension has to lead to gains eventually, but the amount that each individual needs can vary, and I plan pushing forward until my goals are reached:).



Dford
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Sounds good, Dford! I'm rootin' for you! I'm a hard gainer too. I hope and pray that my PIs continue and produce actual gains.
 
Day 12 of Phase 2:

Some interesting things have happened since my last workout: I have been very horny most of the day for the last couple days, however, without my daily Bathmate use, I noticed that my flaccid was back to normal size yesterday. Though I did not measure, erect girth felt a little beefier, perhaps 1/8" more than the usual? Not sure though...

Did two Bathmate sessions today. 1st was for about 12 minutes + jelq/edging for about 10 minutes then applied 2.5 grams DHT. Second workout with Bathmate lasted 15 minutes followed by 22 minutes of jelqing/clamping/erect bending, the 2.5 grams DHT.

Workouts felt good today, so the day of rest paid off. As a means of mixing up my workout a little bit, I will lower my intensity on Bathmate only days and reduce pressure to the 145 mm mark. Hopefully, this may enable me to hit it a little harder on DHT + Bathmate days.
 
Hey DLD, got 2 questions for ya:

1. When you pump with the Bathmate, do you pump till maximum water displacement?
2. When you pump, is it comfortable or do you experience a slight pressure sensation (not quite pain, but a significant stretching sensation)?

Reason why I ask is because I have a propensity to damage my foreskin; trying not to make it worse. Not sure yet, but Bathmate may be causing an old scar to grow.... :(
 
Douglas Hamlin;379604 said:
1. When you pump with the Bathmate, do you pump till maximum water displacement?
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When I am pumping with water yes, but even when dry yes.

2. When you pump, is it comfortable or do you experience a slight pressure sensation (not quite pain, but a significant stretching sensation)? [/QUOTE]

Pressure and comfortable. Kind of like a really good suck job:)
 
DH, this DHT is great! Way too early to see any gains, but I can definitely feel it doing something. It's strange, it's sort of like I'm juicin' but different somehow, more penis specific. I seem to stay fuller most of the day, I'm hornier than normal, better erections (and I have had top notch EQ pre-DHT), and I get spontaneous full on wood during the day. I know the DHT is getting in and taking effect, I just hope one of the effects is growth. I haven't been able to keep up the 4/day applications the last couple days, I've been working literally all day and into the night, but this will be short lived. I only got in three doses yesterday, and I'm about to put on number two for the day today. However I think the higher dose is the way to go for me, I'm looking forward to seeing how you respond when you up your dose after your decon.

Dford
 
dickfordays;379753 said:
DH, this DHT is great! Way too early to see any gains, but I can definitely feel it doing something. It's strange, it's sort of like I'm juicin' but different somehow, more penis specific. I seem to stay fuller most of the day, I'm hornier than normal, better erections (and I have had top notch EQ pre-DHT), and I get spontaneous full on wood during the day. I know the DHT is getting in and taking effect, I just hope one of the effects is growth. I haven't been able to keep up the 4/day applications the last couple days, I've been working literally all day and into the night, but this will be short lived. I only got in three doses yesterday, and I'm about to put on number two for the day today. However I think the higher dose is the way to go for me, I'm looking forward to seeing how you respond when you up your dose after your decon.

Dford
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Sweet! I'll start my decon break now - which will consist of no Andractim for 1-2 weeks. Then, I'll start applying 5 grams x2 per day.
 
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