Damn! Haha, I didn't know that I was turning in a paper in college...but you are all big boys. Take what I have said, and believe it or not. All of the information is out there in the world's Urological community. But if you don't know where to start, use these names and dates, to find the relevant studies. (Would have kept a bibliography if I thought that this was gonna' turn out to be a term paper :D)

Here are a few names of the authors and dates as these were the quickest for me to track back down at the moment.

Ponchietti, 2001
Awwad, 2005
Loeb, 1889
De Ros, 1994
Schneider, 2001
Bogaert, 1999
Shonfeld and Bebe, 1942

Note: I threw out the obvious and popular Kinsey, 1948 as absolute trash, because his "data" was reported by men and not medically verified or measured by doctors. Like most "studies" that are mentioned nowadays, like the "LifeStyles" type of garbage, that are either self-reported or clearly take a very skewed sample of men.

The names and dates above should get you to the "confirmation" that you seem to want, it's not like this stuff isn't out there for anyone to find, if you look. If you cannot find the actual studies, you should certainly be able to get a hold of the abstracts.

Tom


However, if you read their papers, you will see that my numbers are spot on, and that the numbers haven't changed over time in any significant manner.

Oh, as to the math that I used, well nothing fancy, I just took the "average" findings of each report, multiplied it my the sample size, (for proper weighting later on), to create a "sum" for that particular study. Did the same thing for each that I found, made a sum of sums, and then divided this by the total sample size of all the studies combined to arrive at the "average".
 
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It's not I dont believe you, its just sometimes folk like to see these original studies. I personally dont care that much but others do.
 
Red,

No problem man, I wasn't offended, (well maybe a little :D), but I forget that people around here don't know me personally. It is just my nature, that when an idea is presented to me or I simply get curious about something, I scrounge around to find out as much as I can from as many sources as I can to make sure, verify, or debunk, said idea. My natural curiosity has led me to learn many things that others don't seem to because they simply accept the "common" viewpoint or suggestion because it "appeals" to them somehow to be "common" themselves. I more or less don't believe in anything at all, unless I come up with my own reasons for doing so. :D (And then I still know it is a lie that I am choosing to believe) Oh, now that is a different thread which should be in the mental pe section, lol.

I am now more curious as to the seemingly "yeah right" attitude in general because my math doesn't add up to popular perception. That is far more interesting than average penis size to me. LOL

Tom

P.S. I see that I left out Wessells, 1996 (The Journal of Urology, Volume 156, Issue 3) from the author and date list above. One of several that I forgot to put up there. But the Wessells one was a really good study used by urologists to identify and "guide" them as to who is and who is not a potential candidate for penile surgery. (That study was specifically done to see what average was and to use that as guidance to urologists in the field to know what average really was.) Anyway...it's all out there, and please people, if you are like me and want to verify or contradict my findings, leave the garbage "condom" "studies" of drunk exhibitionists and Kinsey "tell me" "studies" in the garbage can where they belong. :D
 
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kong1971;171762 said:
Penis size has long been considered a gauge of virility, and having a larger than average penis is a valuable commodity among males. Whether this assumption has real physiological merit or is only a myth, a man's perception of his own penis size can make him feel confident, secure, even arrogant-- or, negatively, insecure, shy... even suicidal, in the most extreme cases.

The chart below is our current best data concerning penis size. The measurements were taken from the top center of the penis and are NON-BONEPRESSED. This data comes from a variety of internet sources and scientific publications, but mostly from the Lifestyles Condom Company survey and the survey conducted by The-penis.com during May / June 2003, which involved over 1500 men.

The Lifestyles company conducted research into the average length and circumference of the erect male member during Spring Break 2001 in Cancun. From March 11 to 17, a total 300 males over the age of 18 were measured, one at a time, by qualified medical staff (protected by Ansell Medi-Touch gloves) in private tents at the Dady Rock nightclub in Cancun, Mexico. Why? Apparently they wanted to design a better condom, to ensure that they are sized properly, are comfortable, and won't slip.

The measurements were done by a doctor and a team of four nurses, who attended each of the seven nights of this research. Length was measured from the point at the base of the erect penis where the top of the penile shaft meets the pubic area to the tip of the glans (NOTE FOR [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] MEMBERS: THIS WAS A NON-BONEPRESSED MEASUREMENT TECHNIQUE). For uncircumcised men the foreskin was retracted. The majority of participants were U.S. college men but it was not limited to this group. Volunteers were asked to enter a private area where they would gain an erection and then call for the two qualified nurses to measure their cock. To ensure the accuracy of the data, each man was measured by two of the nurses. A doctor supervised the nurses and all activity. Volunteers tended to be groups of friends, which helped ensure a wide range of penis sizes (big and small) and provided a more accurate average figure.

At 300 effective measurements, this study was twice the size of any previous study that used medical staff to measure penis size. This method is more accurate and reliable than studies where volunteers undertake self-measurement / reporting.

I think one more very important thing should also be noted: those surveyed were young, college age men who were willing to volunteer to be measured. This was not a random population sampling, and probably did not include very many older men, or those who are overweight, both of which would probably have smaller NBP measurements, and thus bring the average down. I'm also pretty sure that men who felt that they were "smaller" were not exactly knocking the door down to be measured either. I conclude from this that the true average penis size is probably a little bit lower than their 5.9" results, maybe in the 5 to 5.5" range... but this is the best set of numbers we have to go by now.

Please note that to realistically compare yourself to this average, you would have to measure your penis from the top center of the shaft, NON-bonepressed. Comparing any other numbers to these will give you a false comparison. Do not measure bonepressed. Do not measure from the side, the balls, the asshole or "with the curve", if you would like to compare your cock to the most reliable data on penis size.

Erect Length

Length Inches... Cumulative.....Bigger than you.... Smaller than you
3.75 or less.......0.6................994/1000................6/1000
4.00................1.6%..............984/1000................16/1000
4.25................3.0%..............970/1000................30/1000
4.50.................3.8%..............962/1000................38/1000
4.75.................8.0%..............920/1000................80/1000
5.00.................12.5%.............875/1000 ...............125/1000
5.25..................20.0%.............800/1000 ...............200/1000
5.50..................27.7%..............723/1000................277/1000
5.75..................44.6%..............554/1000.................446/1000
6.00..................60.2%..............398/1000 ..................602/1000
6.25..................69.9%...............301/1000.................699/1000
6.50..................81.0%...............190/1000.................810/1000
6.75..................90.5% ...............95/1000..................905/1000
7.00..................92.5%................75/1000...................925/1000
7.25...................94.3%................57/1000...................943/1000
7.50...................97.0%.................30/1000...................970/1000
7.75...................97.8%..................22/1000...................978/1000
8.00....................98.8%.................12/1000....................988/1000 8.25....................99.1%..................9/1000......................991/1000
8.50....................99.4%..................6/1000......................994/1000
8.75....................99.5%..................5/1000......................995/1000
9.00 or more.........100.0% ................0/1000.....................999/1000


My penis currently measures around 6.5" non-bonepressed, give or take a little. This puts me in the 81 cumulative percentile, which is pretty damn good, I think. It means, basically, that only 19 of 100 men would actually have a larger penis than I would [remember what I said about male competitiveness! :) ] Feel free to measure your penis in this same method and report your size. You can lie if you want, but you're only going to be hurting yourself further down the line in your Penis Enlargement endeavors!

Alot of fuss has been made lately about penis measurements here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. Instead of ranting in a negative fashion about liars and cheaters and men living in a Penis Enlargement fantasy world, I thought I would make a thread that was realistic, but above all positive, about average NBP penis measurements. I think the average is much smaller than we all believe, and our perception of what is truly a large cock unrealistic in the extreme.

To be honest, I never really believed my wife when she told me I'm the biggest she's ever had. I'm something of a adult entertainment junkie and spend way too much time here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and I believe it has really skewed my perceptions on penis size. After studying this data, I now realize that, statistically, it's probably true. I have also decided to lower my Penis Enlargement goal to a more realistic 7.00" NBP, which would place my penis in the 92% in length. I'm weird. 20 guys bigger than me is too much. I would feel better if only about 7 or 8 of a hundred were the same size or bigger! :D

excellent post. wish there was something on girth too
 
irspow;470918 said:
Hello Fellow Noobs,

I have looked at all of the largest studies, excluding all that were not carried out by the medical community, that I could find. From the earliest to the latest large-scale studies that I can find in the medical journals and papers from the medical community, there has not been any significant change in the reality of penis size over the last century or so. Taking all of the data that I could find from the large-scale studies, a static average, is quite evident over time regarding penis size. From my somewhat rigorous study of mathematics in my lifetime and all of the data I can find regarding penis size, what is often referred to as "optimal" or even desirable is strictly statistically at least 2.5 to 3 deviation points from reality for the vast majority of most human beings. (Hopefully, wide-spread acceptance, practice, and study of Penis Enlargement will change this in the future :D)

The results from this study by me of the data available about the reality of human penises regarding size:

Averages population wide (all measurements bone-pressed along top of penis and erections are full naturally or chemically induced)

flaccid length = 9.25cm or 3.64"
flaccid stretched length = 14.75cm or 5.81"
flaccid girth = 10.25cm or 4.03"
erect length = 13.65cm or 5.37"
erect girth = 12.25cm or 4.82"

And no, this data was not skewed by any significant population deviation from one area or another. Perceptions and beliefs aside, there are no significant cultural, regional, or ethnic deviations placing abnormal "weights" into the averages. These numbers apply to all male human beings on this earth. There are studies for example that show that say people closer to equatorial areas have a slight tendency to have longer relaxed flaccid lengths, generally attributed to both the climate and general skin elasticity over their lifetime, but again, it is not anything outside of normal deviation, and certainly not significant. Everything that people have "heard" about certain "traits" of one people or another is more or less just urban legend and not medically backed or substantiated in any way. Humans are humans. Penises are penises. And the averages above are what they are. Representative of the average male penis, "optimal" or not. :D

Tom

REDZULU2003;419291 said:
Average Erect Penis Length

The average erect penis length was 5.877 inches (14.928 cm). Standard deviation was 0.825 inches (2.096 cm) with 54 percent of the effective sample measuring between 5.5 inches (14 cm) and 6.3 inches (16 cm).



Average Erect Penis Girth

The average erect penis girth was 4.972 inches (12.63 cm). Standard deviation was 0.508 inches (1.29 cm) or with 53.33 percent of the effective sample measuring between 4.525 inches (11.5 cm) and 5.118 inches (13 cm).



Study behind the above data.

LifeStyles Condoms conducted research into the average length and circumference of the erect penis during Spring Break in Cancun and found that the average penis length is 5.877 inches, with the majority ranging between 5.5 inches and 6.3 inches. The average girth is 4.972 inches, with the majority ranging between 4.7 inches and 5.1 inches.

From March 11 to 17, a total 401 males over the age of 18 were measured, one at a time, by qualified medical staff (protected by gloves) in private tents at the Dady Rock nightclub in Cancun, Mexico. Of the 401 men, 300 were able to gain an erection for measurement — a success rate of only 75%.

Measurement methodology

The following criteria were enforced by a doctor and a team of four nurses, who attended each of the seven nights of the penis size research. Measuring of length was from the point at the base of the erect penis where the top of the penile shaft meets the pubic area to the tip of the glans ("head").

For uncircumcised men, the foreskin was retracted. Measuring of girth was at mid-shaft around the circumference of the penis when the penis was erect. Failure to gain an effective erection for measurement disqualified the volunteer from being included in the data for the calculation of average erect penis length and girth.

Environment

The majority of participants were U.S. college men, but it was not limited to this group. Volunteers were asked to enter a private area, where they would gain an erection and then call for the two nurses to measure their erect penis. To ensure the accuracy of the data, each erect penis was measured by two of the nurses. A doctor supervised the nurses and all activity.
Volunteers tended to be groups of friends, which helped ensure a wide range of penis sizes (big and small) and provide a more accurate average figure.

Sample size

The sample included 401 male volunteers, of which only 300 were "effective" male volunteers (75 percent), because 101 volunteers (25 percent) could not gain an erection for measurement. At 300 effective measurements, the study was twice the size of any previous study that used medical staff to measure penis size. This method is more accurate and reliable than studies in which volunteers undertake self-measurement/reporting.

Source

kong1971;171778 said:
From the same survey data, this is a chart on penile girth. The girth on this was measured mid-shaft. If you would like to compare to this chart, you would have to measure your own penis mid-shaft, or the comparison would not be valid.


Girth Inches... Cumulative.....Bigger than you.... Smaller than you
3.50 or below.....0.9%.............991/1000...............9/1000
3.75.................1.6%.............984/1000...............16/1000
4.00................ 4.7%.............953/1000...............47/1000
4.25................ 8.8%.............912/1000...............88/1000
4.50.................14.6%............854/1000..............146/1000
4.75.................27.7%............723/1000..............277/1000
5.00.................50.0%............500/1000 .............500/1000
5.25.................83.0%............170/1000 ..............830/1000
5.50.................93.0%.............70/1000................930/1000
5.75.................95.6%.............44/1000................956/1000
6.00.................100%..............1/1000 .................999/1000


My mid-shaft girth is 5.75". That puts me waaaay at the top of the chart. 95.6% is nothing to sniff at. No wonder I always have to wiggle that sucker in! :D Just kidding... The main jump here seems to be about 5.25" girth. That or anything bigger means you got a fat cock. Be proud.

fuck!!! most guys are bigger than me girthwise :(
 
Medicating;487033 said:
So in every 1000 people, one guy is guaranteed to have a 9 incher or more?


I highly doubt that, more like every 100,000.
 
You have to think that statisticly from the really big ones not every dick is out there in the "market". Some have wifes and some are not sexualy active or dont screw girls.
Every woman I was with and talked about it said I had the biggest cock and I'm not that huge but It helps that Im very lean. Even a prostitute I was with said she only had 1-2 guys with a bigger cock.
It tells you much about the distribution of really big cocks that fuck out there. The largest chunk is average. Some are long and some are fat but I dont think that there are many 8x6 dicks out there screwing around.
 
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dickerschwanz;487063 said:
You have to think that statisticly from the really big ones not every dick is out there in the "market". Some have wifes and some are not sexualy active or dont screw girls.
Every woman I was with and talked about it said I had the biggest cock and I'm not that huge but It helps that Im very lean. Even a prostitute I was with said she only had 1-2 guys with a bigger cock.
It tells you much about the distribution of really big cocks that fuck out there. The largest chunk is average. Some are long and some are fat but I dont think that there are many 8x6 dicks out there screwing around.

Wish I lived where you did. Seems like all the dudes I know have at least 8 inches and all the sluts are cock whores. All the more motivation to yank my winkle though.
 
MikeShlort;487070 said:
Wish I lived where you did. Seems like all the dudes I know have at least 8 inches and all the sluts are cock whores. All the more motivation to yank my winkle though.

Where the hell do you live?
 
MikeShlort;487070 said:
Wish I lived where you did. Seems like all the dudes I know have at least 8 inches and all the sluts are cock whores. All the more motivation to yank my winkle though.

Did you see them errect? The sluts do talk usualy shit.
 
Dapper Dan;487127 said:
Girls don't know shit about size. Guys exaggerate.
Nothing wrong with cock sluts though ;)


Between the two no one knows what big or small is anymore:) If a girl is mad at you she will deduct 2" off the cock, if she is loving you she will add 2":) Men just automatically add two inches for good measure:)
 
dickerschwanz;487125 said:
Did you see them errect? The sluts do talk usualy shit.

No my friends themselves told me. They have no reason to lie about it. I don't know why everyone here is in denial that a lot of people have big penises from birth. Isn't this the reason we are here in the first place?
 
MikeShlort;490793 said:
No my friends themselves told me. They have no reason to lie about it. I don't know why everyone here is in denial that a lot of people have big penises from birth. Isn't this the reason we are here in the first place?

lol. not sure if serious. If so then let me give you a wake up call.

Big Penises are out there but you have a distorted view of it. You are seeing a big dick in every pants passing you by. (How many 8 inch + dicks did you see in your life with your own eyes in front of you?(
Its cause you feel insecure about your size so it must be that everyone has a bigger one then you. You believe in it so it must be. Tough this is not true.

Did you ever go to a sauna club? Naked beach? Amateur gangbang? These are the guys who have no problems showing their dick and most of them dont have a 8x6 cock.

Your friends have every reason to lie about it.. and they do. No one wants to be the one with the small dick. No one wants to be the poorest, no one wants to be the shortest, no one wants to be the dumbest. Thats how human ego works.
And even if they themselves think that they really all have 8 inch dicks then chances are they dont have a clue how to measure the same way as in the scientific studies.
Yeah I have a 10 inch dick you know. No reason for me to lie. I believe in it cause I measure from my ass.

Then some bitch talk about how she had that big dick that must have been 8 inches and the other bitch says she had a bigger dick who must have been 9 inches. In truth it were probably 6-7 inches.
You know thats what bitches do - exegerate.
Then the other bitch who just pretends having big dicks to be cool with her bitch friends, but is to insecure to really bitch around has all that 8 inch dicks in her mind.
She also looks up some big dick adult entertainment were all the super secure guys who have larger then average dicks fuck with viagra, pumped up dicks and raging erections tiny whores who repeat:"uh how big"(+ all the camera fakery).
Then she decides to go out and get some of these big dicks who must be all over the place.
She mets mister average and is deeply dissapointed that he doesnt destroy her uterus. She lets him feel it that he is too small. Maybe the poor bitch even tells him in his face.
He is gutted, looks up adult entertainment and sees only dicks bigger then him so he must have one of the smallest dicks on earth. He thinks he is worthless and will never satisfy any woman.
Desperate he looks up how he can have a bigger dick.
Worst he ends up buying worthless pills and best he ends up in a penis enlargment forum that tells him the truth about penis size and how to healthy increase size and function.
Welcome.
 
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