The Mandingo Complex

[bigbutnottoo]

*Abd bigbutnottoo, asians are not more "economically fucking advantaged". You think they came to this fucking country with a shitload of money? Most asians used their brain, perseverance and hardwork to get to the top. The majority of asians are poor (if you didn't know). Asians are working their way up towards the middle class through hardwork not through generations of wealth passed down to them. I don't care if asians are doing better than any other race because they fucking worked for it - period. Don't you dare use that as some lame excuse saying that asians have it better.

(Holding my tongue for as minute) Okay. First you didnt read my post. I said specifically it was not my theory but that I was explaining the psychology behind it. Second, almost ALL non-Hispanic immigrants are more economically prosperous than American blacks, and that includes black Africans as well. There are many social reasons for this on many levels. The immigrants pickup on things pretty quickly, including how to call blacks "niggers." I stand by exactly what I said. And I never once made any judgment on who works for it and who does not. The fact you even would say such a thing means you have never really paid any attention to the numerous ethical discussions we have had over the past several months.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Just wanted to say it's pointless to argue over what race had it worse. However, the American experience is what I know and what I speak of. It's history is filled with terrible treatment of many people of many races. However, there are certainly practices that have effected certain people more than others in a significant way that ought not be dismissed. This is something I have been studying and researching for many years and my views have changed the more I learned certain things. Some of this has to do with the terrible public school system that omits and distorts history.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Yeah, this topic is not really ever going to end, always gunna be full of many thoughts , I like that ... its cool.
I always stick to my guns and I aint gunna change my stance, many other cultures other than Black have it hard I think thats what some including me are saying with the asian stuff, I would say slitty eyes is just as bad as N###a is to blacks.
Many will disagree with me, thats YOUR opinion, myn is that slitty eyes, cracker, white trash are all just as bad and degrading ... just they get not as noticed as the N word cos it has slavery to it, but that dunt make it any less nasty when said IMHO <<<< This wont change by the way no matter how much moaning some people do.

I have worked with MANY cultures in my life, and alot of asian, black and latin ones.
Seems the Asian and Blacks get the most stick , but the Asians that I have SEEN, or MET in these situations dont PLAY on it, the Blacks I have met do play on this like if they got de-moted they would say '''its cos am black, am gunna take this firm to court''' while the Asian man wouldnt give a toss .... or at least this is WHAT I HAVE SEEN < important point is that, WHAT I SAW, I aint condeming the WHOLE race of anything.
I geton well with all races, but when discussions like this come up I notice Black people get very hot headed and snappy ... yes we know the history its terrible, I think its DISGUSTING what happens in the USA with 5 year old kids shouting nigger, that doensnt happen here [uk] thank fuck but some black people MUST relaise they aint the only victims on race issues ... Asians are ... ALOT from what I see, also ARABS....YES arabs they are hated in parts of the UK with a sweet passion, and NOTE I am 1/3 Turkish Cypriot Arab, how do ya fucking think it makes me feel when I hear people chant in the street near me outside an arab family home death threats and abuse, about 9/11 and other shit .... people hate arabs alot, and YES alot play on it aswell ... I dont, I dont give a fuck about my 1/3 Arab roots .... couldnt care less, I do care about INNOCENT people being labbeled SCUM and whole races such as ARAB being branded MURDERERS and RAPISTS by TV folk, I mean thats bad.

Some reckon arabs are all bad bastards, all suicide maniacs, all like saddam, and its been said in the UK out loud by a TV PRESENETER and he resigned in the end and rightfully so.
Now if he said that about the Blacks it would be a fucking uproar no matter what any of ya say if you mention summut about the blacks all hell breacks loose, however the Asians and arabs [other cultures/race] dunt happen as much ....... I feel the Black communits must TRY and move on, its hard I can only imagine but some must try and not be so hot headed when the matter of ones race is mentioned cos it happens alot with other cultures and races but as I say they brush it off and get on with it.

I wish all were treated equal, but it wont happen .... damn at the end of the day this shit started cos of COLOUR,I mean fucking colour thats it ... we are all human so why dont we all just accept .... it wont happen, never has and never will .... if ya differenet than ya a target, simple as ... always will be, just have to minimize any chance of getting hit and being another victim.

I myself have a STRONG arab look to me, yeah it dunt help sometimes .... when I has a sexy lass with me I got called a Paki fucking trat and suicide bomber etc etc etc even though like I say my roots [some] are in Northern Cyprus, they still brand me as a paki or 9/11 trat, I ignore them doesnt bother me ... I only bring it up cos of I were black well.......hell would be unleahsed and the court would be in sight for a pound or two, or at least thats what some and I say SOME blacks would do.
I could have made alot of money from race abuse I have had, cos of my arab looks .... yet I dont bother .... take a note out my book and the many asians ... ignore it and get on .... the slavery was bad, but its done with , move on ..... ya ancestors did GREAT they settled in the many countries they were slaved and had familys so be proud as they have paved the way for a better future for you lot.

Peace, and I will soon be posting a pic of myself on the site so judge ya selves on my arab looks.

cyaz

 

[j-penis]

fifth, i didnt say using any racial slur was okay, i only said that nigger is more offensive because it goes deeper than superficial characteristics. and the kick in the balls comment was really stupid.

Please quantify what "more offensive than ____" is. I fail to see how one race is justified in receving more protection from hate than another. Racism is racism.

sixth, what you said about me not knowing black history and being a product of black leader's "propaganda" is totally unfounded since ive made two posts in this topic and one was opinion and the other was based on facts, and again you dont know what race i am.

So just say it already. What race are you? It isn't that deep man.

seventh, asians did come over as immigrants and build themselves up, but they were given a decent starting point. a lot of asian immigrants come to america with something and some sort of financial security carrying over from asia as with most immigrants. after slavery blacks had nothing and segregration going on until the 60s and the subsequent racism and negative stigmas forced on blacks in terms of intelligence and morality afterwards has slowed blacks progress even more. just recently have things begun to even out.

Not true. A large proportion of Asian immigrants are poor, even devastated, and a significant proportion of them are refugees, both political and war refugees. The KHydromaxer (a minority group in Cambodia) escaped extermination in boats, as did many Vietnamese. Many Cambodians scratch out a despersate exsistence in slums in Minnesota and California. The very first Asians on the West Coast were the Chinese gold miners in the 1860s, and they basically came with the clothes on their backs and come pocket change. Many were turned into indentured servants (read: virtual slaves) by the white mine operators. They were also used as divsors and scapegoats as they were willing to work for less pay than white miners, inciting murder and violence at them (the Chinese were lynched too, believe it or not). All this, because the white mine owners were too greedy to pay everyone fair and just wages for their work. I do concede however that a fairly large number of Asians who came after 1965 (Thats right - before 1965, it was FEDERAL LAW to barr any people of Asian descent from coming into America - that's incredibly RACIST - an anathema to the US Constitution!) had some money saved up. The most recent Asian immigrants (arrived after 1980) tend to be the most well-off, but they're a minority in terms of numbers. But then again it's human tendency to focus on the most visible of a minority group, and just assume that everyone in that group are exactly like them. This is why we think all blacks are rappers or gang members or natural athletes. You need to realize that those young Taiwanese/Korean/Japanese kids who drive suped up, expensive import rides are a very SMALL (but visible) sub-group of Asians.


And having said that - you know what I realized? I hope you don't take this as an unfair personal attack (coz I really don't wish to come off that way), but you are really supremely ignorant about any racism or history on people other than blacks or whites. This is most probably why you feel that racism against black is a very bad thing, but that racism against yellow or brown people are relavitely un-urgent issues. It's incredible - you (and millions of other ignorant people) need to wake up. :s

ninth, i really think you are ignoring what people are saying and are just resonding as quick as possible with personal horror stories that any minority living in poverty stricken areas has without considering the nation as a whole and looking at things rationally and comparing the severity of slavery and segregation and hate against blacks compared to the other forms of racism that other minorities have experienced in america and how it has affected their economic development in comparison to whites.

Yes, I think he is being a little bit too over-emotional. That much I agree upon.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Just wonna say Blue I agree fully with

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''''''Not true. A large proportion of Asian immigrants are poor, even devastated, and a significant proportion of them are refugees, both political and war refugees. The KHydromaxer (a minority group in Cambodia) escaped extermination in boats, as did many Vietnamese. Many Cambodians scratch out a despersate exsistence in slums in Minnesota and California. The very first Asians on the West Coast were the Chinese gold miners in the 1860s, and they basically came with the clothes on their backs and come pocket change. Many were turned into indentured servants (read: virtual slaves) by the white mine operators. They were also used as divsors and scapegoats as they were willing to work for less pay than white miners, inciting murder and violence at them (the Chinese were lynched too, believe it or not). All this, because the white mine owners were too greedy to pay everyone fair and just wages for their work. I do concede however that a fairly large number of Asians who came after 1965 (Thats right - before 1965, it was FEDERAL LAW to barr any people of Asian descent from coming into America - that's incredibly RACIST - an anathema to the US Constitution!) had some money saved up. The most recent Asian immigrants (arrived after 1980) tend to be the most well-off, but they're a minority in terms of numbers. But then again it's human tendency to focus on the most visible of a minority group, and just assume that everyone in that group are exactly like them. This is why we think all blacks are rappers or gang members or natural athletes. You need to realize that those young Taiwanese/Korean/Japanese kids who drive suped up, expensive import rides are a very SMALL (but visible) sub-group of Asians. ''''''


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Both races had ot hard and not forgetting the Mexicans who work for peanuts.

 

[blue1214198203]

Just wonna say Blue I agree fully with

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''''''Not true. A large proportion of Asian immigrants are poor, even devastated, and a significant proportion of them are refugees, both political and war refugees. The KHydromaxer (a minority group in Cambodia) escaped extermination in boats, as did many Vietnamese. Many Cambodians scratch out a despersate exsistence in slums in Minnesota and California. The very first Asians on the West Coast were the Chinese gold miners in the 1860s, and they basically came with the clothes on their backs and come pocket change. Many were turned into indentured servants (read: virtual slaves) by the white mine operators. They were also used as divsors and scapegoats as they were willing to work for less pay than white miners, inciting murder and violence at them (the Chinese were lynched too, believe it or not). All this, because the white mine owners were too greedy to pay everyone fair and just wages for their work. I do concede however that a fairly large number of Asians who came after 1965 (Thats right - before 1965, it was FEDERAL LAW to barr any people of Asian descent from coming into America - that's incredibly RACIST - an anathema to the US Constitution!) had some money saved up. The most recent Asian immigrants (arrived after 1980) tend to be the most well-off, but they're a minority in terms of numbers. But then again it's human tendency to focus on the most visible of a minority group, and just assume that everyone in that group are exactly like them. This is why we think all blacks are rappers or gang members or natural athletes. You need to realize that those young Taiwanese/Korean/Japanese kids who drive suped up, expensive import rides are a very SMALL (but visible) sub-group of Asians. ''''''


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Both races had ot hard and not forgetting the Mexicans who work for peanuts.

good research, and good points. im not gonna respond to some of them b/c thats not the point and this topic is turning into a endless circle discussion like the existence of a god or something like that. the only problem i had is when people make comments about blacks or any minority in america and it seems that their position is not unbiased, but seems to attack the minority in question rather than make rational observations like you have just done.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

I will post one more time on this topic. It will deal with US law as applied to minorities and that will be my final post.

 

[REDZULU2003]

The snippet from me Big' wasnt myn it was quoted from Blue, just didnt use the quotw thng LOL.

So anyone anything to say on the Arab thng I mentioned, and myself?

 

[randolf]

good research, and good points. im not gonna respond to some of them b/c thats not the point and this topic is turning into a endless circle discussion like the existence of a god or something like that. the only problem i had is when people make comments about blacks or any minority in america and it seems that their position is not unbiased, but seems to attack the minority in question rather than make rational observations like you have just done.

I think the lesson is don't expect others to give you things. Even affirmative action was a clever ploy by the american government to subdue other races.

When they did the census an interesting thing came back, as much as 24% of the american population was black. However they decided to call it 12%. So your company or government office must have 12% blacks to be 'fair'.

All races and creeds have had it tough at one time or another. From the Irish and Germans who were taking the jobs, to the mexicans who now are 'stealing jobs'. To english themselves living in say a mexican area. Good luck getting a job when the proprietor only highers family members.

Or you could run and tell the 'powers that be' some of their money. They will make it appear to be giving you money but really in the background make it very complicated so they are actualy taking your money.

That is why asians have been so successful, they work their asses off, they get educated, they apply at lots of companies with lots to offer. The companies that turn them down, actualy lose out because they are skilled.

Many blacks to have been very successful, but its the ones that don't do anything and just complain, and expect things to be given to them, that go nowhere. People will not give you things, they will only take. That is human nature. If you want things you must take for yourself.

Another factor is that I don't think blacks are as motivated by money as say asians are. Most of my friends are asian, but I also hang around with a few blacks to. Although up in Canada they are few, it is literaly too cold for people that have come from the equator regions. Conversly I almost die in the heat even if there for a few weeks, so I would have trouble living in Jamaica for example.

My asian friends want to get married, buy a home to start building equity. Then start building assets. This is what brings them enjoyment is that stability and financial success. And that is great, and I am happy for them when they have success, which all of them are having. They work hard, they usualy only let themselves go out once every few weeks, and even then only for a few hours. And frankly they aren't very interested in things like pumping iron, or the physical type of activities.

On the other hand my black friends, they are completely different. They all go to the gym whenever possible. They get money they spend it on drugs, or alcohol or steroids. They live for today, not for tomorrow. They go clubbing and partying whenever they can. And they hit on women there like crazy, and I've seen them take home a girl about one in every three times out. This is how they want to live their lives. Its not wrong its just a different perspective.

I think thats why women in north america are liking blacks so much at the moment. They want to LIVE life. They don't want another day of homework, then going to bed early because you have to get up early for a big day of school then working your ass off after school. They want that guy who lives life on the edge, who if he can get some cocaine he does, if he feels like a threesome, he doesn't panick about possible std's he just does it.

I have started living parts of my life like my black friends. And people love being around me when I let my urges take control of me. You see a woman thats hot, you could just go on because you've got to get to class, or you could go up to her and hit on her, and be late for your class.

You see although I respect the success that working your ass off brings, so many I see work their ass off their entire lives, and then they die. Live life at some point! Obviously there are times when you need to buckle down and work, but working is pointless if you can never enjoy it.

 

[dopefish]

Hmm. Another forum i am on specifically states that any post discussing religion/race/so on will be closed and deleted immediatly, as these are the things that can go round in circles and you will never change peoples beliefs and ideas. These posts just cause the entire community to get upset.

I now know why they enforce that rule. Everything seems to go WAY off topic!!


dopey

 

[lonerj]

first, how do u know if im black or white or something else? ive never said i was either or.

There were alot of black people involved in this discussion who said they were black. I thought I remembered you saying you were black. My mistake if you're not but what race are you?

second, im not showing off on anyone's behalf, i just think people like to undermine blacks suffering for the sake of seeming more intellectual or counterculture, but rationally the u.s. govt, not just ignorant people and localized racism, supported racism and hate across the nation persecuting blacks and native americans throughout the twentieth century which has had lasting effects up unitl today.

It seems behind your words that YOU ARE BLACK. It seems that you were talking with emotional backings and a personal experience. It's hard to say that other people probably thought you were black as well.

third, i was talking about america, not the whole world. and if asians are persecuting asians its really not the kind of racism were discussing.

Asians persecuting asians was an example. White settlers doing alot of racist actions against asians was another example. I was bringing up some case studies. So I guess only anti black racism is only relevent in America or racism against others is nothing compared to . I guess native Americans are not relevant because they provided the early people food and care to only get racist acts tossed back at them.
*WAIT* Maybe that was too long ago to even care.

fourth, how do u know latinos get treated worse than blacks? what do you base that on? and dont give me a localized respone like "where i grew up...," i want national trends and occurences that is common knowledge, like blacks not getting loans even though they meet all qualifications and the decision is basically founded in a negative stigma perpeuated by the aftermath of slavery.

I said Mexicans and they get treated like shit everywhere I go because of their poverty, flat facial features, height, their tone of skin, greasy hair. Most of them live on the streets because they migrated illegally or they are extremely poor. You haven't seen people making fun of them calling them bums and smelly pieces of shit along with other forms of prejudice, I have. That is also the general consensus among the U.S. People from Mexico look different from people from Argentina, Columbia, etc. and even other latin backgrounds are prejudice against Mexicans.

fifth, i didnt say using any racial slur was okay, i only said that nigger is more offensive because it goes deeper than superficial characteristics. and the kick in the balls comment was really stupid.

Sure sounded like it. It goes deeper than superficial characteristics? So it's okay to call a fat person a lard ball all day because it's only a superficial characteristic, right? I'm sure there aren't any emotional attachments to those names especially since they can get a gastric bypass and asians can get plastic surgery to fix their eyes.

I think your comments are stupider than the kick in the balls, sorry...

sixth, what you said about me not knowing black history and being a product of black leader's "propaganda" is totally unfounded since ive made two posts in this topic and one was opinion and the other was based on facts, and again you dont know what race i am.

It's in my own belief that black leaders put a certain propaganda because of emotional feelings behind them (most of them lived during racism) with alot of disregard to equality and fairness in hopes of bringing their fellow black man up. Again I assumed you were black.

seventh, asians did come over as immigrants and build themselves up, but they were given a decent starting point. a lot of asian immigrants come to america with something and some sort of financial security carrying over from asia as with most immigrants. after slavery blacks had nothing and segregration going on until the 60s and the subsequent racism and negative stigmas forced on blacks in terms of intelligence and morality afterwards has slowed blacks progress even more. just recently have things begun to even out.

Again wrong. Most came to this country with nothing. Again, you do not know a fucking thing about my culture.

eigth, "blacks eat a lot of fast food and do drugs", um, most people who live in poor areas do that no matter what race.

That's not true about other races. I'm sorry if this sounds like a racist stereotype but it's true from my experience (maybe it's different from yours) - I should've specifically noted that I was referring to blacks in the slums. I am also from a marketing background and I know which race those fast food chains market to.

ninth, i really think you are ignoring what people are saying and are just resonding as quick as possible with personal horror stories that any minority living in poverty stricken areas has without considering the nation as a whole and looking at things rationally and comparing the severity of slavery and segregation and hate against blacks compared to the other forms of racism that other minorities have experienced in america and how it has affected their economic development in comparison to whites.

Do you have any personal horror stories?

Look, blacks get more economic development and benefits compared to any other ethnic groups. It is you who is ignoring the nation as a whole. Alot of other ethnic backgrounds came from nothing as well.

tenth, in terms of general racism what stereotypes do the major races have?
blacks: ignorant, immoral, violent, athletic, big dick, rytHydromaxic and soulful
whites: smart, moral, not especially athletic, average dick, boring/uptight
latinos: ignorant, poor, large families, good at soccer, close to heritage
asians: really smart, good work ethic, short, small dick, competitive, not especially athletic, close to heritage.

I haven't ever even though of those most of those stereotypes. I don't care if the NBA or other sports are filled with mostly blacks (Michael Jordon was my hero). There has been some good black people, non-so-athletic blacks, non-big dicked black I've met (and seen) - which is why I don't agree with all of the stereotypes. I don't know where you get rhytHydromaxic or soulful because I haven't really thought about those things.

I also have never really seen people regard asians as short (that's a new one to me), especially since most asians were taller than blacks and hispanics in the melting pot neighbordhood I used to live in, and since most of the normal black people (besides athletes -- they are athletes for a reason you know) I've came across are usually shorter than average to average height.

tenth, youre a spaz and after reading your posts i think you just dont like black people, and are the only racist, hate fueled person posting in this topic.

Correction: It's the eleventh. Yes please tell me I'm a racist to my face, I'd love that. It's obvious that you think the "f" word in applying my fucking opinions on black people makes me a fucking racist. There is nothing hate fueled about my comments. The fact is, all of us are going to throw some stereotypes around in this kind of fucking argument no matter what and how hard we try to avoid them. You've disregarded alot of prejudice to other ethnic backgrounds and I can easily call you racist for that just like you are calling me racist for my opinions.

My whole agenda was the educate how badly alot black people treat other minorities and I wanted to show how pathetic (to the extremes) it was for some of those people to carry around their attitude and superiority mentality. I also wanted to show how ignorant it was to put down other races when they have gone through similar things and how pathetic it is to feel blacks deserve more than others.

I also do not hate you in anyway. If I met you in real life and we talked about this, I would feel as if we both would have a common bond despite my stupid, idiot, "f" remarks (which is the way I talk normally) and my normal characteristic to outwit people if I feel they are wrong.

I also find it offensive that the media will only portray the asians that have slitty eyes, glasses and refer to the whole "small dick" bs.

If you look at asian television programming (I'm not too familiar with it), you'll see that alot of them do have round eyes and there alot of good looking asians as opposed to American media portraying beautiful asian women as the "diamond in the rough" and focusing on the general mentality that others are ugly or physically not up to par.

Also let it be known, that American media focuses more on superficial things more than any other countries.

 

[lonerj]

Great post Randolf. Everybody has a history of hate and it's up to the individual to overcome it, not make an excuse and ultimately become successful. It's also your duty, especially as an American, to respect and understand people of other backgrounds because this land wasn't made for one type of person.

I also agree with the fact that the education system is f***ed up. If it wasn't, schools would teach more about racism and more respect towards different cultures and open the minds up to our future generations.

There are two kinds of asian people talking in terms of relationship with blacks.

One that respects and enjoys their cultures and...
One that is bitter because of the racism and disrespect they face from blacks but regardless alot of them have a sense of dignity and maintain a hardwork ethic. I am a bit of both and I'm also half white but know about my background.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Fuel fo the fire:

The Oprah Winfrey show just said Asians are smallest, Caucasians middle, and blacks the largest ( I think the woman actually said 'African Americans are "definitely" the largest' as proven by studies). Of course there were no sources cited or numerical statistics.

 

[j-penis]

Asian guys shouldn't care about what the Oprah Winfrey show says.... most of the viewership are overweight housewives. So what if they'll think Asian dicks are small? LOL... no big loss.

 

[REDZULU2003]

I agree with Blu its all BULLSHIT, fuck oprah that crazy whore LOL, nah shes cool.
Its all steriotype shit, I do belive that on average Black men are larger, not just cock but also build, with the Asians being smallest - however not my much only say VERY small fractions of an inch here and their, certainly not inches...... but women seem to think ALL black men are HUGE down below and all Asians are tiny ....... pathetic IMOH cos in ma younger days when I was 15/16 I am some mates had groupys with the local whores, and yeah their were asian and black in their .... the black guy I was with was small .... no BS I made him look small and I was only 6.6 inches in length HAHAHAH and the asian guy was abit smaller but his girth was MASSIVE and the head was great , women need to get theor head out of their ass and cunt to be honest ..... I have a cock bigger than most black men I have seen period...not many can match my girth, but the women looking at me and than a black man will be like ''black man is bigger''.
They are missing out LOL

Its like when I was 17/18 and I went into the clubs with a growing 7.5x6.5 [estimate] cock, good size I reckon .... but My black mate [best mate] got ALL the shags, even though he aint much bigger than 7.5 inches length....I dunno where this sterio shit started, its NOT FAIR to anyone, especially the Black man cos he has boots to kinda step into and must be a nervous wreck if hes small down their.

Its just like the Drug dealing thug steriotype of the Black man, it ISNT TRUE as we know but it dunt stop dickheads saying that Blacks are bad ass bastards going, its just STERIO .... ignore it and do pe and fuck the surveys, fuck them women who say this shit cos they are either SAD and BORING with only DICK on the mind, have a massvive cunt that could be the size of jaws'es trapdoor, or have very empty sad lives and probably are unhappy and twisted and see takeing polls and surveys [lieing on them] to get some type of win for their sad life, or to get back at certain people or even a race....whatever the reasons these women aint fuckin right.

 

[lonerj]

Asian guys shouldn't care about what the Oprah Winfrey show says.... most of the viewership are overweight housewives. So what if they'll think Asian dicks are small? LOL... no big loss.

LOL that was kinda fucked up but whatever it's pathetic that Oprah even went that far talking about men's penises on the show. If I was on the live show I'd whip out a ruler and take my pants off. That'd put a dent on her billion dollar empire :lol:

 

[newcredit]

Yeah guys it is a tired old ass myth!

My best female friend and her girl friends always complain about all of the "Brothers with small dicks" which to me translates the same thing every other guy already knows,

Unless your her first...somewhere down the line she will have had bigger. The problem is every black man is expected to have a 10 inch cock... Like I and others have posted, " It is better to NOT be expected to have and produce a large cock, then to be expected and produce a small one!"

And on a last note, Never LIE on your dick! This last guy she dated told her he was 9 inches and she is a dick fanatic...she said it was more like 4. That will only piss a chick off! Why would any body even do that anyway knowing your gonna bump uglies eventually.

Oh I forgot! To address the orginal topic. I'm Black obviously...I love incorporating vibrators into my routine and the chics love it. I posted on Thunders about putting the "egg or bullet vibrator" at the base of your dick under the condom. It hits their clit and drives them crazy. Work smart not hard.

Also I think it varies on where you live with the sex shop issue. I have not noticed a lack of black men in sex shops. What I have noticed are the fine chics you can meet in the dildo section that are embaressed about buying a dildo, spark up a damn conversation there.

 

[REDZULU2003]

What I have noticed are the fine chics you can meet in the dildo section that are embaressed about buying a dildo, spark up a damn conversation there.


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Or in m case spark up their fanny hahhahahaha

 

[blue1214198203]

There were alot of black people involved in this discussion who said they were black. I thought I remembered you saying you were black. My mistake if you're not but what race are you?



It seems behind your words that YOU ARE BLACK. It seems that you were talking with emotional backings and a personal experience. It's hard to say that other people probably thought you were black as well.



Asians persecuting asians was an example. White settlers doing alot of racist actions against asians was another example. I was bringing up some case studies. So I guess only anti black racism is only relevent in America or racism against others is nothing compared to . I guess native Americans are not relevant because they provided the early people food and care to only get racist acts tossed back at them.
*WAIT* Maybe that was too long ago to even care.



I said Mexicans and they get treated like shit everywhere I go because of their poverty, flat facial features, height, their tone of skin, greasy hair. Most of them live on the streets because they migrated illegally or they are extremely poor. You haven't seen people making fun of them calling them bums and smelly pieces of shit along with other forms of prejudice, I have. That is also the general consensus among the U.S. People from Mexico look different from people from Argentina, Columbia, etc. and even other latin backgrounds are prejudice against Mexicans.



Sure sounded like it. It goes deeper than superficial characteristics? So it's okay to call a fat person a lard ball all day because it's only a superficial characteristic, right? I'm sure there aren't any emotional attachments to those names especially since they can get a gastric bypass and asians can get plastic surgery to fix their eyes.

I think your comments are stupider than the kick in the balls, sorry...




It's in my own belief that black leaders put a certain propaganda because of emotional feelings behind them (most of them lived during racism) with alot of disregard to equality and fairness in hopes of bringing their fellow black man up. Again I assumed you were black.



Again wrong. Most came to this country with nothing. Again, you do not know a fucking thing about my culture.



That's not true about other races. I'm sorry if this sounds like a racist stereotype but it's true from my experience (maybe it's different from yours) - I should've specifically noted that I was referring to blacks in the slums. I am also from a marketing background and I know which race those fast food chains market to.




Do you have any personal horror stories?

Look, blacks get more economic development and benefits compared to any other ethnic groups. It is you who is ignoring the nation as a whole. Alot of other ethnic backgrounds came from nothing as well.




I haven't ever even though of those most of those stereotypes. I don't care if the NBA or other sports are filled with mostly blacks (Michael Jordon was my hero). There has been some good black people, non-so-athletic blacks, non-big dicked black I've met (and seen) - which is why I don't agree with all of the stereotypes. I don't know where you get rhytHydromaxic or soulful because I haven't really thought about those things.

I also have never really seen people regard asians as short (that's a new one to me), especially since most asians were taller than blacks and hispanics in the melting pot neighbordhood I used to live in, and since most of the normal black people (besides athletes -- they are athletes for a reason you know) I've came across are usually shorter than average to average height.



Correction: It's the eleventh. Yes please tell me I'm a racist to my face, I'd love that. It's obvious that you think the "f" word in applying my fucking opinions on black people makes me a fucking racist. There is nothing hate fueled about my comments. The fact is, all of us are going to throw some stereotypes around in this kind of fucking argument no matter what and how hard we try to avoid them. You've disregarded alot of prejudice to other ethnic backgrounds and I can easily call you racist for that just like you are calling me racist for my opinions.

My whole agenda was the educate how badly alot black people treat other minorities and I wanted to show how pathetic (to the extremes) it was for some of those people to carry around their attitude and superiority mentality. I also wanted to show how ignorant it was to put down other races when they have gone through similar things and how pathetic it is to feel blacks deserve more than others.

I also do not hate you in anyway. If I met you in real life and we talked about this, I would feel as if we both would have a common bond despite my stupid, idiot, "f" remarks (which is the way I talk normally) and my normal characteristic to outwit people if I feel they are wrong.

I also find it offensive that the media will only portray the asians that have slitty eyes, glasses and refer to the whole "small dick" bs.

If you look at asian television programming (I'm not too familiar with it), you'll see that alot of them do have round eyes and there alot of good looking asians as opposed to American media portraying beautiful asian women as the "diamond in the rough" and focusing on the general mentality that others are ugly or physically not up to par.

Also let it be known, that American media focuses more on superficial things more than any other countries.

you guys are missing the point.

the reason blacks are held up as the martyrs of racism (rightfully so) in america is because blacks are the race that was persecuted and discriminated against by specifically by the us govt the most severly in recent history, the 1900s, when the world was supposedly supposed to know better.

slavery is really not the reason, almost every country used slavery in the past and africans sold other africans to slave traders. america maintained slavery longer than the rest of the world and justified it by theorizing that blacks were second class human beings and it was horrible, but a lot of countries were guilty of this as well.

the problem is that after slavery the govt drafted and passed laws on segregration ostracizing blacks as citizens but still as second class human beings.

these laws existed until around the 1960's and the civl rights movement. no other race in america during the supposedly enlightened 1900s faced the oppression, hate, and violence that blacks had to rise out of in america.

these laws and subsequent stigmas put blacks behind socially and economically leading to the passing of laws recently to help and support their development. the govt did this b/c it was directly their fault.

it was not simply hate or popular public opinion that discriminated against blacks it was the govt. it was legalized and enforced racism and hate. i know other minorities all faced discrimination in the us during this time and it was also bad and shouldnt have happened, but there werent extenisve laws set up supporting this racism in all areas of life.

no other race other than blacks were nationally and legally considered second class human beings so harshly and for such a long period of time in america, let alone well into the second half of the 20th century. combined with other forms of hate and violence that these laws really seemingly justified, blacks have gone through a lot to get where they are and should be applauded and deserve the help and recognition they recieve, and they still fight the stigmas that segregation and the proslavery mentality created.

and im not going to say what race i am, b/c it doesnt matter and my opinion should be taken with the same amount of credibiltiy either way.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

For much of the time in US of America up until less than 40 years ago, not only was it legal to discriminate against blacks, it was illegal NOT to. That was the real problem and why federal involvement was needed.

This is something I was blind to until not long ago. Philosophically, as a proponent of individualism and freedom of association, I always thought it would be inconsistent to support The Civil Rights Act as far as its scope into private matters. In other words, I thought any government or political entity should be prohibited from racial discrimination. However, private business and private property owners IMO would seem to have the right to deal with whomever they chose. Much the way private clubs can choose their members. I always thought that economic boycotts were the best way to force change as consumers vote with their wallets. I, for one, would never give my money to a company that discriminated in hiring or serving customers. Theoretically, businesses that want to stay open would serve everyone, unless they wanted to lose money and be publicly shamed and ridiculed. Then racists would pretty much congregate at places that shared their views. And well, we wouldnt want anything to do with them anyway.

But the big problem and misconception is that the federal government was the only one interfering in private business. Often, it was state governments that were forcibly segregating public as well as private commerce. For example, even if a restaruant owner wanted to serve blacks, in many places he could be fined and arrested for doing so. Growing up and in school, I was always under the impression that black kids would go into a diner or something and try to order lunch, but these mean white men didnt want to serve them. Now, this was probably often the case. But it was never really emphasized that state and local laws actually forbade it. Considering the laws and the culture of racism, one didnt have to be overly racist to follow law and social pressure and refuse to serve blacks. There were all kinds oif absurd laws. For example( This is going back in time a little further. After slavery, but pre-Civil Rights movement), railroad laws that legally required segregation and if the rail company allowed a person who was 1/8 black to sit with whites or a white person to sit with blacks could be jailed and fined $1000s. It was government enforced segregation that violated all human rights.

My point is this: I am speaking on why black Americans are more victimized than any other race in the US. BLUE already posted on this and did a great job. Not only were blacks held in slavery for most of their existence in America, until less than 40 years ago racism was the law. It wasnt as simple as some people would have you believe where people just choose to associate and the big bad feds came down and oppressed the South. It was the law that segregation was required. Not only that, but many places had mob rule. If you were black and you were even suspected of doing something, not even always something wrong, it was permissible for a lynch mob to be the judge, jury, and executioner. If blacks got "uppity" and tried to do things like vote, there were killed or made an example of to scare others to "stay in their place."
I dont support so-called "reverse racism" or racial preferences, and I think for the most part as long as someone is willing to work hard he can succeed today regardless of race. However, I do believe without a doubt, black Americans were treated worse than any other ethnic or racial group. That treatment should be put in the past, and individuals should not be forced to bear collective guilt for something they had nothing to do with, but it should be acknowledged and not made light of.

 

[blue1214198203]

For much of the time in US of America up until less than 40 years ago, not only was it legal to discriminate against blacks, it was illegal NOT to. That was the real problem and why federal involvement was needed.

This is something I was blind to until not long ago. Philosophically, as a proponent of individualism and freedom of association, I always thought it would be inconsistent to support The Civil Rights Act as far as its scope into private matters. In other words, I thought any government or political entity should be prohibited from racial discrimination. However, private business and private property owners IMO would seem to have the right to deal with whomever they chose. Much the way private clubs can choose their members. I always thought that economic boycotts were the best way to force change as consumers vote with their wallets. I, for one, would never give my money to a company that discriminated in hiring or serving customers. Theoretically, businesses that want to stay open would serve everyone, unless they wanted to lose money and be publicly shamed and ridiculed. Then racists would pretty much congregate at places that shared their views. And well, we wouldnt want anything to do with them anyway.

But the big problem and misconception is that the federal government was the only one interfering in private business. Often, it was state governments that were forcibly segregating public as well as private commerce. For example, even if a restaruant owner wanted to serve blacks, in many places he could be fined and arrested for doing so. Growing up and in school, I was always under the impression that black kids would go into a diner or something and try to order lunch, but these mean white men didnt want to serve them. Now, this was probably often the case. But it was never really emphasized that state and local laws actually forbade it. Considering the laws and the culture of racism, one didnt have to be overly racist to follow law and social pressure and refuse to serve blacks. There were all kinds oif absurd laws. For example( This is going back in time a little further. After slavery, but pre-Civil Rights movement), railroad laws that legally required segregation and if the rail company allowed a person who was 1/8 black to sit with whites or a white person to sit with blacks could be jailed and fined $1000s. It was government enforced segregation that violated all human rights.

My point is this: I am speaking on why black Americans are more victimized than any other race in the US. BLUE already posted on this and did a great job. Not only were blacks held in slavery for most of their existence in America, until less than 40 years ago racism was the law. It wasnt as simple as some people would have you believe where people just choose to associate and the big bad feds came down and oppressed the South. It was the law that segregation was required. Not only that, but many places had mob rule. If you were black and you were even suspected of doing something, not even always something wrong, it was permissible for a lynch mob to be the judge, jury, and executioner. If blacks got "uppity" and tried to do things like vote, there were killed or made an example of to scare others to "stay in their place."
I dont support so-called "reverse racism" or racial preferences, and I think for the most part as long as someone is willing to work hard he can succeed today regardless of race. However, I do believe without a doubt, black Americans were treated worse than any other ethnic or racial group. That treatment should be put in the past, and individuals should not be forced to bear collective guilt for something they had nothing to do with, but it should be acknowledged and not made light of.

thanks man, and i agree with you "reverse racism" (if you can even call it that b/c racism is racism no matter what) is just as bad and is explainable but not excusable.

 

[blue1214198203]

and i want to comment on the original topic of this thread, you guys are all mostly refuting a "word of mouth," rumor, and local experience based idea simply with other "word of mouth," rumors, and local experiences. so as much as you say it is probably false it equally could be true.
stereotypes are based in "word of mouth," rumors, and local experiences so trying to disprove it with that same criteria you are only showing that the idea should be taken more seriously, since you use the same thought process to build your own idea.
its a undeniable fact that races are genetically different. in terms of blacks their hair, torsos, calves, and other things let alone their skin pigment are all different than others. blacks are also more susceptible to certain diseases including certain cancers. so to think that blacks possess a difference in penis size, something so strongly rooted in genetics, it is very possible, but until a true national survery is performed considering all varibles and other factors we just dont know. (itll never happen, its arguably impossible)
also it really doesnt matter, b/c now that we know about pe you arent stuck with what you are born with anyway so we should all really just stop worrying about it. and i hate to say it, but constantly focusing on this issue really seems to just be a simple form of jealousy. (considering the high white ratio of the board) if it was whites that had this opinion associated with them there would hardly be any if not no posts refuting it, just as in society as a whole, and would have probably been used as just another reason why blacks are second class human beings.

 

[blue1214198203]

and i think we can all agree that chapelle's show is hilarious.
"no i cant stop yelling, cause thats how i talk!"

 

[REDZULU2003]

Yeah, this topic is not really ever going to end, always gunna be full of many thoughts , I like that ... its cool.
I always stick to my guns and I aint gunna change my stance, many other cultures other than Black have it hard I think thats what some including me are saying with the asian stuff, I would say slitty eyes is just as bad as N###a is to blacks.
Many will disagree with me, thats YOUR opinion, myn is that slitty eyes, cracker, white trash are all just as bad and degrading ... just they get not as noticed as the N word cos it has slavery to it, but that dunt make it any less nasty when said IMHO <<<< This wont change by the way no matter how much moaning some people do.

I have worked with MANY cultures in my life, and alot of asian, black and latin ones.
Seems the Asian and Blacks get the most stick , but the Asians that I have SEEN, or MET in these situations dont PLAY on it, the Blacks I have met do play on this like if they got de-moted they would say '''its cos am black, am gunna take this firm to court''' while the Asian man wouldnt give a toss .... or at least this is WHAT I HAVE SEEN < important point is that, WHAT I SAW, I aint condeming the WHOLE race of anything.
I geton well with all races, but when discussions like this come up I notice Black people get very hot headed and snappy ... yes we know the history its terrible, I think its DISGUSTING what happens in the USA with 5 year old kids shouting nigger, that doensnt happen here [uk] thank fuck but some black people MUST relaise they aint the only victims on race issues ... Asians are ... ALOT from what I see, also ARABS....YES arabs they are hated in parts of the UK with a sweet passion, and NOTE I am 1/3 Turkish Cypriot Arab, how do ya fucking think it makes me feel when I hear people chant in the street near me outside an arab family home death threats and abuse, about 9/11 and other shit .... people hate arabs alot, and YES alot play on it aswell ... I dont, I dont give a fuck about my 1/3 Arab roots .... couldnt care less, I do care about INNOCENT people being labbeled SCUM and whole races such as ARAB being branded MURDERERS and RAPISTS by TV folk, I mean thats bad.

Some reckon arabs are all bad bastards, all suicide maniacs, all like saddam, and its been said in the UK out loud by a TV PRESENETER and he resigned in the end and rightfully so.
Now if he said that about the Blacks it would be a fucking uproar no matter what any of ya say if you mention summut about the blacks all hell breacks loose, however the Asians and arabs [other cultures/race] dunt happen as much ....... I feel the Black communits must TRY and move on, its hard I can only imagine but some must try and not be so hot headed when the matter of ones race is mentioned cos it happens alot with other cultures and races but as I say they brush it off and get on with it.

I wish all were treated equal, but it wont happen .... damn at the end of the day this shit started cos of COLOUR,I mean fucking colour thats it ... we are all human so why dont we all just accept .... it wont happen, never has and never will .... if ya differenet than ya a target, simple as ... always will be, just have to minimize any chance of getting hit and being another victim.

I myself have a STRONG arab look to me, yeah it dunt help sometimes .... when I has a sexy lass with me I got called a Paki fucking trat and suicide bomber etc etc etc even though like I say my roots [some] are in Northern Cyprus, they still brand me as a paki or 9/11 trat, I ignore them doesnt bother me ... I only bring it up cos of I were black well.......hell would be unleahsed and the court would be in sight for a pound or two, or at least thats what some and I say SOME blacks would do.
I could have made alot of money from race abuse I have had, cos of my arab looks .... yet I dont bother .... take a note out my book and the many asians ... ignore it and get on .... the slavery was bad, but its done with , move on ..... ya ancestors did GREAT they settled in the many countries they were slaved and had familys so be proud as they have paved the way for a better future for you lot.

Peace, and I will soon be posting a pic of myself on the site so judge ya selves on my arab looks.

cyaz

Anyone gunna comment on what I said earlyer? The ARAB point is important I feel.

I also wonna add that NO ONE is a 2nd class person IMHO , I know in the USA the Blacks may be this, but TRY NOT to think you are, fuck it - you have JUST AS MUCH right to be in the USA as any white man, geez alot of the Whites in the USA have come from EUROPenis Enlargement ancestry, so its all crap when y come to think of it, them calling blacks.

Keep yaz chins up...YA AINT 2ND CLASS.......Most blacks are IMHO again, BETTER people than many other races, infact I put Blacks up their with the Asians as the most freindly people in the world, I might be racist to my own race now HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA go ban me LOL j/k, but the white man has CAUSED most of this with hate, and useing ... the feeling and demand of power, the slavery thing that is ....... white man, they are the MAIN bastards, and I am in that race I may add .... I aint BIASED, just to prove it.

 

[blue1214198203]

Anyone gunna comment on what I said earlyer? The ARAB point is important I feel.

I also wonna add that NO ONE is a 2nd class person IMHO , I know in the USA the Blacks may be this, but TRY NOT to think you are, fuck it - you have JUST AS MUCH right to be in the USA as any white man, geez alot of the Whites in the USA have come from EUROPenis Enlargement ancestry, so its all crap when y come to think of it, them calling blacks.

Keep yaz chins up...YA AINT 2ND CLASS.......Most blacks are IMHO again, BETTER people than many other races, infact I put Blacks up their with the Asians as the most freindly people in the world, I might be racist to my own race now HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA go ban me LOL j/k, but the white man has CAUSED most of this with hate, and useing ... the feeling and demand of power, the slavery thing that is ....... white man, they are the MAIN bastards, and I am in that race I may add .... I aint BIASED, just to prove it.

yeah its true whites have been responsible for a lot of the pain and suffering in the world, but they have also done a lot of things to develop it as well, which is too often ignored.
plus a lot of things whites are guilty for such as the crusades, manifest destiny, slavery, and so on need to be looked at considering how ignorant the whole world was about race issues
of course the holocaust, segregration, and the apartheid laws do carry much more weight since they occured during much more knowledgable times in history, but aside from the apartheid laws (as far as i know, the truth commisions arent very effective imo) those govts have made signifcant efforts to make up for their mistakes.
lets not say one race is better than other, i mean if it was asians or blacks or whoever who were in practically absolute power during the 1700s and 1800s they probably would have made the same mistakes, barring different cultural beliefs that may have prevented it, like native americans pretty much peaceful mentality.
we are all in this together and its sad that things like race and religion continue to seperate and retard our progress as a HUMAN race, but (to put it lightly) feelings were hurt and its gonna take a while for everyone to really forgive each other and work on coming together as one unit.

oh and arabs shouldnt be forgotten either as with any minority or majority when considering racism.

 

[REDZULU2003]

ARABS are to easy to forget, they are forgotten.
They now have a BAD reputation from that 9/11 thing, and saddam plus the Israel + Palestine war.
Yet racism to Arabs i never really looked upon much ..... its the MOST common at the moment here in the UK, the amount of guys I spoke to who HATE the arabs, and for no real reason .... or shitty things like they are all gay, crap like that I get told for the reasons.
They look like Apes as they dont shave as much, etc etc .... my whole point is that their is others out their going thru the same if not harder times than the Black race says .... the Black racism is just the common one imho cos of the slavery issues and the history, yet we must remain open to the others suffering and stop being self centered and thinking that theirs only one race that gets or has it hard in life, cos their aint i.e. the Black race.

 

[jclark246]

Okay, over the years Ive read a lot of posts at this and other pe forums discussing blacks and "stereotypes" without an actual black person's input and I hate to say from what Ive read it has been dissapointing.

I just have to say that it is fact that blacks are genetically different than whites, just as with other races such as far east, middle east, and central and south american. African-Americans are more susceptible to certain diseases, our hair is curlier, our calves are higer up on the backs of our legs, among other things. Im not speaking in a superior tone, but I think its time that we all admit to the fact that blacks as a whole are not necessarily better at sports, but we are naturally faster, quicker, and more aerobically inclined. Once we agree on that, I really dont think that the idea of blacks having larger penises is false.

I actually believe that it is true, there are so many genetic variations between races that the chance that blacks on the whole are more endowed than other races is not a myth or a simple stereotype. I really belive that the only reason that there is such a backlash about this is that in terms of popular culture it seems like blacks got the best of both worlds with athleticism and bigger penises, but that may just be the way it is. Im not accusing you guys of jealousy or racism, but Im not gonna deny the fact that in America and the world there is still an attitude against racism yet without ever giving blacks any credit or letting them have anything, which is a result of jealousy and hate.

Not too offend, but if the shoe was on the other foot, there would be no discussion about this, and lets not forget it wasnt blacks who started these claims, I belive they were formed through observation by everyone just as with the athleticism claim. It really is kind of disturbing how often and freely blacks are discussed and sometimes criticized in these forums. It really seems like the only people who care about these "myths" are those who arent black, because I know I have never talked about these things with other african-americans, but you guys seem to be unable to take your focus away from it.

Lets also not forget that in the end WHO CARES!!!??? It doesnt matter if it was swedes that could jump high or japanese with large penises, the fact is who you are is who you are and no one can change that. All of these race competition discussions are really silly and are ultimately rooted in racism. If I was born with a nine inch dick I could care less if a girl thouht I was small because I was short and white, b/c if you cant back it up whats the point?

So, come on guys until there is a official global study of all the races in terms of height, vertical, penis length, natural IQ, or whatever (which will never happen) lets just take our differences for what its worth and look at them rationally and accept the fact that we are genetically different without basing a global racial trend on our local locker room or basketball court. I mean were all in this world together and lets just let races take credit for what and who they are whether its a natural genetic trend or a sociocultural development, we all exist and try to improve, thats what counts.

I totally agree, i too am black and I have heard from numerous sources that we have larger members in comparision. Lets not forget how the black woman is built. Some of our sisters have upwards of 40 inches of ass, not to mention hips, and thighs. Knowing this, if the average size of the black man was the same as it is reported for whites (5in. or so), then it would be harder for black men to mate with black women.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

I totally agree, i too am black and I have heard from numerous sources that we have larger members in comparision. Lets not forget how the black woman is built. Some of our sisters have upwards of 40 inches of ass, not to mention hips, and thighs. Knowing this, if the average size of the black man was the same as it is reported for whites (5in. or so), then it would be harder for black men to mate with black women.

I do think there is something to be said for that, but the discussion of these genetic differences is often muted; sometimes for perceived good reasons.

For example, many racists have stereotypes that blacks have small brains and big penises, are natural rapists,etc.

I tend to believe that blacks are the largest, then whites, then asians. And the inverse is true with IQs. I think there is a lot of evidence and observation to support that.

What does this mean? IMO nothing. I am an individualist, so I basically reject any use of statistics to opress groups of people. Science is not moral, political, racist,etc. Facts do not determine individual behavior.

It is stupid to judge someone on an average of their group. Following that logic a white person with a 80 IQ is superior to a black person with 110 because his races average is higher? WTF? Its like saying a 6" black guy is more hung than a 8" white guy.

Who cares. I dont care what average is because I dont aspire to be average. The only size that matters to me is mine. The thing is if black guys are bigger on average, thats cool I dont care. i dont see why people get in such a twist about it. Probably because then certain girls will only go for a certain race because they think they are all horse hung or something. or whatever

 

[j-penis]

i dont see why people get in such a twist about it. Probably because then certain girls will only go for a certain race because they think they are all horse hung or something. or whatever

If you're talking about black men there, I don't think women really go for them these days because they supposedly have big dicks. It has actually become cool to date a black men these days (that's an observation - I don't say that with a disapproving tone or anything) - for the women it's exciting because of the taboo, and second it also makes this sort of weird 'social statement' about one's being open-minded and not racist, and finally the recent dominance of blacks in pop-culture plays a big part. Trust me, if tommorrow the American media was dominated by images of Chinese men acting cool and hip flaunting their wealth and confidence, the masses would suddenly start accepting and imitating those Chinese men, and you'll see droves of women of all races searching for a Chinese man to date/fuck.

 

[DLD]

It has actually become cool to date a black men these days

I wonder if it is ever going to become cool to date Fat, hairy, Italian dudes

 

[Dario]

I tend to believe that blacks are the largest, then whites, then asians. And the inverse is true with IQs. I think there is a lot of evidence and observation to support that.

Speaking to your IQ statement. I simply do not believe that it is a 'given' that Asians are 'smart', Whites are 'average' and Blacks are 'dumb'.

One's intellect is a direct result of their work ethic and the importance placed on gaining that intellect. I don't mean to offend anyone, BUT it is true that in Eastern culture, doing poorly in academics 'paints' a bad picture on the family's image/name. Thus, the majority of Asian children are taught to study much harder than the typical person of the Western world. There is plenty of evidence to support this too.

In a way, it is sort of racist to simplify matters and say that Whites can only do so much when compared to Asians and Blacks can only do so much when compared to Whites. This sort of logic is also the main reason that I oppose AA - it basically states that Blacks simply are not capable of doing work good enough, and thus, standards need to be lowered. Anyway, not to get off on a tangent, but work ethic, priorities and values are what come into play regarding IQ - nothing is a given in the mind, IMO.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Speaking to your IQ statement. I simply do not believe that it is a 'given' that Asians are 'smart', Whites are 'average' and Blacks are 'dumb'.

.

I never said that. It is statistical result of studies. I never said anyone was "dumb", "smart". This is why its pointless to even talk about these matters, since people always twist what you say and apply value judgements to statistics. As I said, there is no moral or political value in statistics. People apply them arbitrarily. I never said anything was a given and apparently you ignored my whole philosophy of individualism. In reality, A=A. Stating a statistic is not racist. Applying a policy (racial supremicacy, A.A.,etc) with that as justification IS.

As I said, and others have agreed, IMO it is important to just accept our differences and go from there. As I said, if a white guy has 8" or a black guy has a 150 IQ, it is irrelevant what their racial average is.

 

[Dario]

I never said that. It is statistical result of studies. I never said anyone was "dumb", "smart".

Right - I should have posted what I said as an individual post rather than a reply as to what you stated, because I know you did not say that. And I didn't mean for my words to be read as an opposition to yours. I apologize for any confusion.

 

[lonerj]

Speaking to your IQ statement. I simply do not believe that it is a 'given' that Asians are 'smart', Whites are 'average' and Blacks are 'dumb'.

One's intellect is a direct result of their work ethic and the importance placed on gaining that intellect. I don't mean to offend anyone, BUT it is true that in Eastern culture, doing poorly in academics 'paints' a bad picture on the family's image/name. Thus, the majority of Asian children are taught to study much harder than the typical person of the Western world. There is plenty of evidence to support this too.

In a way, it is sort of racist to simplify matters and say that Whites can only do so much when compared to Asians and Blacks can only do so much when compared to Whites. This sort of logic is also the main reason that I oppose AA - it basically states that Blacks simply are not capable of doing work good enough, and thus, standards need to be lowered. Anyway, not to get off on a tangent, but work ethic, priorities and values are what come into play regarding IQ - nothing is a given in the mind, IMO.

Hello, not that I'm saying that any race is smarter than the other but most of the smart asian kids in the school barely studied but always got good grades while the others who had similar grades studied very extensively. I found these people to be extremely gifted and naturally smart. Despite, that stereotype of asians being disciplined for their studies, I am always proven wrong by these natural gifted people who just happen to be asian. At the same time I watch TV and I see all these African American kids just blowing me away with their work ethics, intellects and innovation.

 

[lonerj]

I tend to believe that blacks are the largest, then whites, then asians. And the inverse is true with IQs. I think there is a lot of evidence and observation to support that.

What does this mean? IMO nothing. I am an individualist, so I basically reject any use of statistics to opress groups of people. Science is not moral, political, racist,etc. Facts do not determine individual behavior.

I can't believe I am hearing this from you. That kind of thinking is against the concept of individualism and I am offended. First, let me lead you to this thread to educate yourself about thinking blacks are largest, whites, asians.
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5938&highlight=asians

You will see why the smallness of asians is exaggerated (because many are skinny) and how media always focuses on unamericanized new immigrant asians to exploit and make fun of. You'll also learn how diet affects body growth and why there is a big difference in conservative asians and american-asians. There is also different physical/genetic makeup in asians and all asians are not created equal.

I stated before that I was from asian descent and I measured 6.5 NBP and somebody in this forum said I measured 6.5 NBP because I was half white. That fucking pissed me off. He had nothing to say when I told him my Korean father is over 7 NBP and I shut his ass up.

 

[j-penis]

I remember watching one Asian male-White female interracial adult entertainment from Japan, featuring the popular American adult actress Violet Blue. She was suckin' on some Japanese dude's dick, and after a while, she looked into his eyes and smiled, saying "Wow.... pretty big!" Unfortunately like all Japanese adult entertainment the gentials were pixelated, but I could still make out the general outline/length of the man's penis, and I could tell that it was at least 7 inches, probably NBP. So not Japanese men or even Japanese men in adult entertainment have small dicks. I actually know for a fact that the Japanese hire more hung Japanese adult actors to star in their ever-popular Asian male-white female interracial series DVDs - they probably are vaguely aware of the negative sterotype attached to Asian men and their penises, so they probably want to represent.



And finally.... it's not like every single black or white man on this planet is accurately represented by the white and black adult entertainment actors in American adult entertainment. Come on. Most white men are no where NEAR as hung as Peter North, nor are most black men hung like Lexington Steele or even Mr. Marcus. All those men are just freakishly hung by anyone's standards. Another disclaimer: before all the hung white and black individuals here try to counter this argument, think about this: you are in the top 10% in terms of penis size and penile knowledge. The other 90% of mankind are either blissfully ignorant of this information/lifestyle, or do not really care for it. So beware before you assume that all white or black men in America see the world thru your Penis Enlargement-tinted eyes. Most don't.

 

[nystrongstroke2]

Its very very sad that we still have ignorant rasists out there.I'm not just pointing at white people either,i'm black and had to correct a couple of my friends for coming out their mouth about white people in general.People should of been understood that no one's skin color is better than the other,and that we're all human fucking beings.Its bullshit issues like this that clog up our fucking minds and prevent us from moving forward on finding cures for fatal diseases or making it so that no one's homeless.In my opinion alot of people just need to grow the fuck up and thank god that we're all diffrent, if we were all the same color or had the same backround this world would be a very dull place. I mean and come on now with all these stereotypes. I could damn near go against every one of em personally.I know white boys that are thugs,that dropped out of school and don't do anything but drink beer smoke weed and fuck all day.I also know asian drug dealers,black doctors,and latin real estate agents.That dosent mean they represent everyone of their backround.We're all apart of the human race,the second u forget it is when u lost.

 

[jclark246]

All white races of peoples throughout history have not created anything. They simply went to Africa, where the world's first universities were, studied there and took credit for ideas that were already being used (ie Greeks and Romans). Or whites went to Asia and learned things over there, and used them for their advantage. Or maybe a better exaple is how whites came to America, a land that was already discovered, stole it, and then took credit for its discovery. I am not trying to be racist here but a good bit of you who think blacks have low IQs need to realize that blacks have been opressed for a while and some of has become self inflicted. if given the oppurtunity, black people have the abilty to completely dominate any are we wish-not just sports. If you are up on your reading, you would know that most of the modern medical, engineering, and technoological breakthroughs were pioneered by black people (and other peoples of color). We can't be denied and we won't be denied if you have any doubts about the things that I am saying, just take some time, research these events and maybe you all we be enlightened.
By the way, If a race was reallysuperior, then that race would not need to constantly remind itself of its superiority.

 

[DLD]

I wonder if midgets have the same average as normal height folks

 

[bigbutnottoo]

I can't believe I am hearing this from you. That kind of thinking is against the concept of individualism and I am offended.

Sorry Buddy, but its not. Part of being a rational individualist is accepting reality and then choosing to treat people on an individual basis. It doesnt matter what the group average is,etc. I dont felling like going over the same ground over and over again. Either you get it or you dont. A is A.

 

[lonerj]

James A, look at your first and second post above mine. Do you not see a contradiction in your argument? In your second post you say that many asians have the sterotype of being smaller in penis size due to media exageration and "bullshit" by hatred....You thus blame part of it on the media. Then yo make your contradiction, and you deny the fact that asians on average have the small penises, but you have no problem figuring that must blacks are of "lower" intelligence by which you have seen on TV, Also known as the media. That's a bit of a contradiction my friend.

Most of this should be about truth without any bias reasoning, it should not be driven by hate. You are half asian as you have stated so you take the possibility of asians being smaller more to heart of course. So why would a black not take what you had to say to heart more? I still believe that many culture issues surround us, I think in Asian cultures that kids do indeed study, you can't have the sweetness without the bitterness if you suggest that asians are naturally smart, or if you "hint" towards that without "saying it" you are then up for the bitter part of the smaller penis issue.

I'm half jamaican (carribean black) and half irish, if it was a actual fact that Blacks naturally had a lower IQ I would accept that if it was not smeared in hypocriscy, socialism and other such issues. Everyone is human and everyone can relate, we are talking about differences which are only marginal, and IQ penis size mean nothing, but if whe want to get technical there will be those who may feel hurt some way or another.

By the way I have watched a lot of Japanese adult entertainment and the men in it are very, very small in penis size. I am speaking about the Japanese and not all asians as there are ethnic variances. I'm well versed in that area, and it doesn't matter in the end. As supra said a lot of this debating gets no where its about what you are carrying between your legs. I doubt debates like this have an ending. I still agree with how bigbutnottoo thinks, if only more people had the balls and realism to think that way, its very rare, and is as close to equality as possible in this chaotic shithole world.

Maybe you missed my point. The point is I try to focus on the concepts of individualism. You can say asian people are smart because they study but many of them are naturally smart, you can say black people have low IQs but as I said I see all these children blowing me away. I am trying to get rid of those trying to rationalize that one person of a race is better because they belong to a race with such comments as "I believe asians are small because the survey says so" or "black people are naturally dumber because of some scientific research". I am aware of Japanese adult entertainment and even though I am half Korean, I can't say speak about it because I am not part Japanese and because I have brown hair/green eyes and I cannot really relate on my physical make up to every extent as the Japanese.

Bigbutnotoo sorry if you think thinking asians are the smallest is being a "realist". I'm betting you still didn't read the post about asian people. I have been as a real as a realist can get. I've been to locker rooms and I've seen different penises from different races and I think that as real as you can get. Asians make up the biggest populations in the world and putting a stigma on every single asian male is laughable. Again groups of asians (based on nationality) have different genetics and physical traits. Your "individualistic" philosophy is clearly flawed and you should take a look at it before you start tossing it around as individualism.

 

[lonerj]

All white races of peoples throughout history have not created anything. They simply went to Africa, where the world's first universities were, studied there and took credit for ideas that were already being used (ie Greeks and Romans). Or whites went to Asia and learned things over there, and used them for their advantage. Or maybe a better exaple is how whites came to America, a land that was already discovered, stole it, and then took credit for its discovery. I am not trying to be racist here but a good bit of you who think blacks have low IQs need to realize that blacks have been opressed for a while and some of has become self inflicted. if given the oppurtunity, black people have the abilty to completely dominate any are we wish-not just sports. If you are up on your reading, you would know that most of the modern medical, engineering, and technoological breakthroughs were pioneered by black people (and other peoples of color). We can't be denied and we won't be denied if you have any doubts about the things that I am saying, just take some time, research these events and maybe you all we be enlightened.
By the way, If a race was reallysuperior, then that race would not need to constantly remind itself of its superiority.

The whole white people stole everything comment is really ignorant. Every groups of people learn something from each other and the people who inhabited here and made this country just happened to be white. Whites just happened to be on a conquest of imperialism and there are other non whites who did the same. Slavery existed everywhere from Rome, Egypt, Greece, Asia, Africa (selling their own black race). You just can't start pointing fingers on a race for the things that happened in the past because there was no code of universal ethics and morality back then.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Bigbutnotoo sorry if you think thinking asians are the smallest is being a "realist". I'm betting you still didn't read the post about asian people. I have been as a real as a realist can get. I've been to locker rooms and I've seen different penises from different races and I think that as real as you can get. Asians make up the biggest populations in the world and putting a stigma on every single asian male is laughable. Again groups of asians (based on nationality) have different genetics and physical traits. Your "individualistic" philosophy is clearly flawed and you should take a look at it before you start tossing it around as individualism.

I have read every post and contributed to many discussions. STHU and stop context dropping. You dont understand anything about philosophy and its relation to factual reality. I never said anything about Asians being small. I said I tend to believe that if scientific studies were done on a racial basis, statistically, Asians would probably be the smallest ( which could mean nothing more than a fraction of an inch). IF, and only if, this were proven; it would be reality. You have a sorry disconnect from reality and your emotional feelings

You are not a rational person, you are getting your feelings hurt for no reason and going all EMo on an internet message board. Somehow you think any statement about Asians somehow applies to you. I am about ~2" above average depending on study and my IQ is ~50% higher than average for a white male. If someone told me an average penis was 6" and average IQ 100, I wouldnt get all bent out of shape just because that does not apply to me. I would not say, I am 8" therefore the average must be 8"

I believe you are an emotional racist. And a FACT is not a stigma. It may even be a blessing. If one race is bigger or smaller, why pretend it is not the case? It just makes things worse. You reject all possibility of statistics that you may not like.

You reject my individualist philosophy because you proscribe to a racialist viewpoint. i.e. your entire thought process is based on defending or propping up a race of people. If average white guy was 3", I would not care because I am an individualist. You are the antithesis. You care more about imagined stigmas.

Fortunately both intelligence and penis size can be improved.

As I said, science is not moral and not racist. Only the behaviors irrationally applied to such studies are what create racism. Lets assume now that we have a cientific study that concludes the average size by race is 6.5 black, 6.0 white, 5.5 Asian. If I were to state that the average Asian is slightly shorter than the average white, this would be simply stating the results of a study. It would not be attaching a "stigma" or anything else. If I said " All Asian guys have tiny dicks under 6"- that would be a different story. The same has been done and used for racist reasons with IQs. If a study says the average IQ is lower for blacks, then that is only a finding, not a value judgment. But some people like to use these statistics to "prove" some kind of collective superiority ( which is a faslehood). These people are idiots and that's why you have white retards claiming they are superior to black geniuses. Ancient CHina already called you out on your self-contradictions. You are a pseudo-individualist cloaked in collectivist propaganda.

 

[lonerj]

James A, look at your first and second post above mine. Do you not see a contradiction in your argument? In your second post you say that many asians have the sterotype of being smaller in penis size due to media exageration and "bullshit" by hatred....You thus blame part of it on the media. Then yo make your contradiction, and you deny the fact that asians on average have the small penises, but you have no problem figuring that must blacks are of "lower" intelligence by which you have seen on TV, Also known as the media. That's a bit of a contradiction my friend.

I brought up my reply from a different perspective. I didn't read all the posts in order and I read somebody saying something about black people's IQs being lower. I've also read some scientific study about black people having less developed brains (don't know if it's legit). My point about bringing up african-americans was to disprove it to other people not disprove myself from subconciously thinking black people are intelligently inferior because I never thought that way in the first place.

 

[lonerj]

I have read every post and contributed to many discussions. STHU and stop context dropping. You dont understand anything about philosophy and its relation to factual reality. I never said anything about Asians being small. I said I tend to believe that if scientific studies were done on a racial basis, statistically, Asians would probably be the smallest ( which could mean nothing more than a fraction of an inch). IF, and only if, this were proven; it would be reality. You have a sorry disconnect from reality and your emotional feelings

You are not a rational person, you are getting your feelings hurt for no reason and going all EMo on an internet message board. Somehow you think any statement about Asians somehow applies to you. I am about ~2" above average depending on study and my IQ is ~50% higher than average for a white male. If someone told me an average penis was 6" and average IQ 100, I wouldnt get all bent out of shape just because that does not apply to me. I would not say, I am 8" therefore the average must be 8"

I believe you are an emotional racist. And a FACT is not a stigma. It may even be a blessing. If one race is bigger or smaller, why pretend it is not the case? It just makes things worse. You reject all possibility of statistics that you may not like.

You reject my individualist philosophy because you proscribe to a racialist viewpoint. i.e. your entire thought process is based on defending or propping up a race of people. If average white guy was 3", I would not care because I am an individualist. You are the antithesis. You care more about imagined stigmas.

Fortunately both intelligence and penis size can be improved.

As I said, science is not moral and not racist. Only the behaviors irrationally applied to such studies are what create racism. Lets assume now that we have a cientific study that concludes the average size by race is 6.5 black, 6.0 white, 5.5 Asian. If I were to state that the average Asian is slightly shorter than the average white, this would be simply stating the results of a study. It would not be attaching a "stigma" or anything else. If I said " All Asian guys have tiny dicks under 6"- that would be a different story. The same has been done and used for racist reasons with IQs. If a study says the average IQ is lower for blacks, then that is only a finding, not a value judgment. But some people like to use these statistics to "prove" some kind of collective superiority ( which is a faslehood). These people are idiots and that's why you have white retards claiming they are superior to black geniuses. Ancient CHina already called you out on your self-contradictions. You are a pseudo-individualist cloaked in collectivist propaganda.

I understand your point about studies and stats. Like I stated before, I want to get rid of people who feel they think they can get away with implied or subsconcious racism by using stats as rationalization. I think that's what you wanted to bring out but I missed what you were saying.

I am not some pseudo-intellectual or never claimed to be a damn genius. I have read books on the political meaning of race through sociology and understand the unimplied, subconcious acts of racism and sometimes the world reeks of it. There is also nothing wrong with being emotionally charged because I am a passionate person. I don't care if this is just a message board - I say what I want to say the way I want to say it.

I have to say that whenever the whole race topic is brought up, everyone sees from a different perspective and there is no solid way to get your point across. You're also free to think whichever way you think but I'm just bringing out my opinions. As I said before, stats are stats but Asians (depending on nationality) are of different genetic/physical make-up and there are other factors. Plus, people (not you) can just run off and slap out a stereotype to you just b/c you're asian or part-asian etc. To me it's about challenging things like that and proving people can exist as individuals. I also mentioned before about somebody saying I was a certain size bc I was half white so I could've been talking through that if I seemed too emotional for you



Jclark246, I know supra is right on his whole take on race from the beginning but since this thread was resurrected by somebody, I'd thought I'd chime in and get my points out.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

I understand your point about studies and stats. Like I stated before, I want to get rid of people who feel they think they can get away with implied or subsconcious racism by using stats as rationalization. I think that's what you wanted to bring out but I missed what you were saying.

OK, we have an understanding then.

 

[bigbedu]

First off, I think it is possible to say blacks have larger penises etc. I am not saying this is true, but certain ethnic groups have similar features etc. because of similar genetics, so i don't think it is an unreasonable claim.

This thread basically has become all about racism, so I will put my two cents. I am arab-american, and i know first hand that racism is still common in the US. I have been called sand-nigger, spic, desert spic, names like this. I have also seen racism against many of my friends, black and arab. I think that most modern racism stems from lack of knowledge however. People will naturally feel more comfortable with people like themselves, while feeling on-gaurd around people they are not familiar with. If someone grew up in an all white neighborhood and did not know any black people, he might feel scared or intimidated around one of he ran into him. Because people are not familiar with other cultures races etc, they label them with stereotypes in order to try to classify them. People hardly ever have the whole story when it comes to creating stereotypes or labeling people based on race, but i know every person of every race, classifies people based on race stereotypes in their head. Some more than others. My black friends will see someone white and say, look, a crazy white boy, or a white friend will say look, another asian who can't drive. The only way to eliminate this is to completely diversify your surroundings, but this is not really possible.

Lastly, a lot of white people talk about how they are sick of black blaming problems on slavery and things from the past. These people do not understand because they themselves have not experienced it. Blacks will no matter what have a harder time succeding in America because of things that have happened in the past, which the aftermath of these things still affect them today.

When my father came to the US, he was not allowed by the US gov. to get a job because he was an Iranian, so he lived with 20 others in a small apartment working numerous illegal alien jobs putting himself through college. He could say that racism or ignorance makes it harder for all people coming to this country, but a person who has never experienced things like this will just say its another minority using racism as an excuse, which is not the case.

-bigbedu

 

[flyer0002]

come on guys, i think everybody needs to drop the egos and really look at things rationally. no race is naturally superior to another or preordained by God for a specific purpose. if you just simply look the ancestoral living areas and specific individual cultures before modern mobilization and mixing of cultures. these things most likely typed the genetics of races after the tower of babylon when all humans were split up by language and their skintone and what not adapted to their environments leading to what we naturally have today.
- asians are the smartest = asian culture has always prescribed to an excellent work ethic that has carried on until today.
- asians are unathletic = like jamesa said the avalibility of food condusive to this trait was not available.
- whites are smarter = basically the genesis of all mankind and its development tookplace in around europe and leading to the renaissance and so on, plus they were effectively introduced to christianity and had a rational sense of the world.
- blacks are the most athletic = consider the climate, terrain, and lifestyle that people had in the middle, eastern, western, and southern africa, extremely primitive running around hunting, gathering, so on (you get the idea right) not in a racist tone (im black) but like a monkey
(just as a side note ive noticed the same traits in vietmenese people ive known who historically i think had similar tropical lifestyles)
- blacks have the longest penises = well, along with the above statement, to be condusive to that lifestyle they had long legs and arms, shorter torsos, and longer extremeties tend to have a direct correlation to penis size, (it really does, not shoe size, but the length and girth of fingers, toes, you get the idea)
this is just some of the stuff that comes to mind offhand and is kinda obvious, but im sure if we looked at traits of all races we could research their original locations and lifestyles and find an explanation, the only people were naturally different from the beginning were men and women.
i hope you guys get what im trying to say, i know some of the stuff seems silly but if you really think about it makes sense.

 

[flyer0002]

oh and im not saying we arent all only groomed to only one vocation and not every single person in a race exhibits these charecterstics at the same level but for the majority you know, i mean i just think there is a genetic typing from adaptation in races that is present today and will last forever, not that blacks are dumb or anything like that but they can pick up new things and learn individually just like everyone else just like asians can get stronger and what not, kinda scatterbrained but i think you get it.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

they were effectively introduced to christianity and had a rational sense of the world.

Many would say this is a contradiction.