And Finally After Two Years>>> Vkay Gains!!!

spinner2 said:
Check the thread 'collagen considered'. They're trying to figure out good compounds to help speed up the process and make it more effective. Right now it's mostly known compounds and they're considering carriers to make it penetrate well.
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Could you link it? I couldn't find it.
 
VK, I think you might want to try to get a package deal from autoextender, or at least get a vac-extender. The max-vac, although it seems like a well made product, doesn't seem to be on the same level as the vacu-hanger from autoextender. That's my opinion, but I also think with a package like the vacu-hanger and vac-extender for $149 you're definitely getting your monies worth.

Spinner, I think most of the discussion on collagen and chemical treatments is similar to what Supra put himself through with IGF-LR3 and the "sciency" threads here. I just look at it and say that's interesting. I'd never do it, and I think it's over reaching a bit. I stick with the exercises and let time bear the fruit of my efforts and that's really the only way with Penis Enlargement.
 
Yeah, all of the magnumforce threads on here have a lot of good information. I've read the threads multiple times. I'm not sure about you, but I'd like to save time in every way possible, and I'll consider taking risks to get there. I have a lot of stuff I want to do, and not enough time to do it.
 
Yeah we got the brains here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], the post rates are picking up again to.
There could be potential in DHT gel, there are a few guys here trying it out to.
I think i'm gonna follow the same sort of structure you've mentioned VK, I'm having a bit of trouble fitting in the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] (studying Sport at uni).
I'm only using a homemade hanger and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]... could do with advice on vac hangers and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words]'ing with 'em, hows your experience been with the vacu-hanger Millionman?? The main prob I have with hanging is the skin bunch needed to hang normally means the skin along the top of the shaft gets stretched, this has caused loose skin at the Pubic bone area... will a vac hanger stretch the skin less??
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
I don't think anyone is currently 'working' on it over at Thunder's. The ones that contributed to it like xenolith and shiver apparently left. and another user Babis, or something like that, he's opening up a pay site and refuses to share any 'information' on thunder's.
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First; Congrats on the gains!

Second; I, (babbis), am currently "working" on it with test-subjects at my own closed forum The Growth Club. I will not create a pay-site but I will create a Penis Enlargement-instructional [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/mosdvd.htm]DVD[/words] based on tested routines and devices with picture proof of every claim. Xenolith is a member of my forum and the one I learned from via PMs and e-mail. I have also talked to shiver and upped warm-ups in my routines to 10min after talking to him.

Regarding the; " refuses to share any information" statement, check out my log, quik4lifes log and the thread called "The modified [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words]".

Everything you need to know is right there.

Keep training smart and you might gain more...Also, continuing after the 5th or 6th workout might do more harm then good. I think you will find that you will not gain anymore after the 6th workout, if so, this could mean that all you are doing is conditioning your penis more, thus prolonging your next decon period.

Also, bulc9, did I not advice you to take a 2 month decon break about a month ago? See what happens to people that take decon break and come back training smart...:)
 
upp2eightand6 - Hi mate, yeah you did advice me that and by the looks of it i should have listened earlier. Just that there are lots of different opinions flying around and im young and once ive got my head on doing something i dont like to stop, if you know what i mean.

After 4days of no Penis Enlargement at all and my dick seems like its getting smaller by the day, it doesnt seem to be as heavy! Is this normal when taking a decon break?

Also should the break be 1 or 2 months? If im taking a break i wouldnt mind trying to do foreskin restoration as it is tight due to lots of extra skin. Would this affect the break at all?

I keep thinking to myself the a decon break and no Penis Enlargement is bad, the thought of no Penis Enlargement makes me feel bad, i am scared that i will loose my size that i now have, i would HATE and be devistated if i went back down to what i started at, could this happen, or would i loose anything?????

When i do hit Penis Enlargement back after the break, when you say take it slow VK would it be adviseable to do the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] again and follow that exactly. Or modify it a bit and add in A-Stretches or bundled stretches or even hanging.

Or do the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] for 2months then move on do that? Lastly should i do AM and PM routine, and how much Penis Enlargement in a day.

Did you notice any loss in size VK on your decon break? any further advice would be great, just that i want to know exaclty what i have to do and follow on decon and when i start back.

Your help VK has been a great help, soz for all the questions mate. but thank you very much!!!
 
BULC, You just have to step outside of the "MUST Penis Enlargement" mindset for a bit. I promise you that you moer than likely won't lose size at all. It's all in your mind. Sit down sometime in the next few days and have a nice long stroke session and I promise you that everything will feel just fine. There is a psycho somatic response to not holding the penis after it's been in your hand at say 6" around vs. your standard 5.75" and it can be an adjustment to see what your real size is. DON'T LET IT GET TO YOU. It will pass you by.

When you come back go with basic stretches for the first week, and you can probably jelq the same day and go back to a clamping routine or whatever girth method you prefer.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
Thanks
and that sounds great. Try to incorprate the IPR protocol and see how you gain for the first two weeks. If you don't gain anything then you can start doing whatever you want, but I'm almost positive you, in particular, will have great gains.

how much did you gain from just resting?
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Hey VK,

I appreciate you bringing this to everyone's attention, and diligently working it out and sharing your experience. I was planning on taking a full four months, then going all-out for one month; repeat. But now I think I will just do what you have done: one workout every three days w/ [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for 40 hours following the workout, total rest one day, then repeat for five sessions.

My routine will be the routine that gave me the bulk of my gains...NEWBIE ROUTINE! Except I will replace the jelqs with Behind-The-Balls jelqs, so I don't stress lateral bonds (I will focus on length entirely). I will also do the 10% increase in intensity every workout, in the form of bundled blasters or some sort of more intense stretch.

As far as my rest period, I have gained NOTHING, but that is a good thing...I have stayed exactly where I was at when I had my last Penis Enlargement session...just below 7" for length, and just below 6" for girth.

I have been using a 90%DMSO/10%water cream on my penis hoping that it will accelerate the deconditioning process. Other options for those looking would be porcine relaxin and/or Potaba.

I really like your idea for the overlapping cycles. Maybe you can give that a try your next go??
 
upp2eightand6 said:
First; Congrats on the gains!

Second; I, (babbis), am currently "working" on it with test-subjects at my own closed forum The Growth Club. I will not create a pay-site but I will create a Penis Enlargement-instructional [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/mosdvd.htm]DVD[/words] based on tested routines and devices with picture proof of every claim. Xenolith is a member of my forum and the one I learned from via PMs and e-mail. I have also talked to shiver and upped warm-ups in my routines to 10min after talking to him.

Regarding the; " refuses to share any information" statement, check out my log, quik4lifes log and the thread called "The modified [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words]".

Everything you need to know is right there.

Keep training smart and you might gain more...Also, continuing after the 5th or 6th workout might do more harm then good. I think you will find that you will not gain anymore after the 6th workout, if so, this could mean that all you are doing is conditioning your penis more, thus prolonging your next decon period.

Also, bulc9, did I not advice you to take a 2 month decon break about a month ago? See what happens to people that take decon break and come back training smart...:)
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Hey Babis,
I've read quite a bit of your posts, and what I said was based on what I had read. I didn't mean to downplay your contribution nor did I intend any other ill effect. All I was trying to say was that I was unaware of anyone working on the IPR at thunder's. I might be wrong, however, as I don't check thunder's often.

I have talked to Xenolith (a fellow Engineer) via PM's on Thunder's, and would love to keep in close contact with the both of you. I have already decided not to go past the 5th work out. So your advice reaffirms my decision.

I remember reading in your newbie challange routine, that you advised that for the P phase, only light stretches be utilized at night for a week. Do you think this would be enough for me for my P phase? or what do you suggest?
 
bulc9 said:
upp2eightand6 - Hi mate, yeah you did advice me that and by the looks of it i should have listened earlier. Just that there are lots of different opinions flying around and im young and once ive got my head on doing something i dont like to stop, if you know what i mean.

After 4days of no Penis Enlargement at all and my dick seems like its getting smaller by the day, it doesnt seem to be as heavy! Is this normal when taking a decon break?

Also should the break be 1 or 2 months? If im taking a break i wouldnt mind trying to do foreskin restoration as it is tight due to lots of extra skin. Would this affect the break at all?

I keep thinking to myself the a decon break and no Penis Enlargement is bad, the thought of no Penis Enlargement makes me feel bad, i am scared that i will loose my size that i now have, i would HATE and be devistated if i went back down to what i started at, could this happen, or would i loose anything?????

When i do hit Penis Enlargement back after the break, when you say take it slow VK would it be adviseable to do the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] again and follow that exactly. Or modify it a bit and add in A-Stretches or bundled stretches or even hanging.

Or do the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] for 2months then move on do that? Lastly should i do AM and PM routine, and how much Penis Enlargement in a day.

Did you notice any loss in size VK on your decon break? any further advice would be great, just that i want to know exaclty what i have to do and follow on decon and when i start back.

Your help VK has been a great help, soz for all the questions mate. but thank you very much!!!
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Hey bulc.

I know exactly how you feel. As I said, I felt the same way. This is what I've noticed. When I stop Penis Enlargement, for a couple of days to a week, my penis looks scrawny. specially compared to the full floppy post session penis that I get. post session I have a solid 6.5" mid shaft girth, where as with a dry erection I'm just barely over 6". That's a very huge difference in size.


I noticed no difference in size during my break. one main reason is that every night, I applied the warm up with the heater for 5 mins ( or however long it would take to get my dick HOT) and then I would relax for a minute or two (sometimes I'd run cold water over it) and then back at it again. this was very convinient while checking my emails late at night before sleep. I'd do this for an hour every night, and I massaged my penis very lightly (while flacid and warmed up). I guess this might help with deconditioning as it helps remove scar tissue.

If you don't gain from what I mentioned, you can be SURE that you wont lose anything.

I had sex today and I've never seen my dick so big. I didn't even clamp or pump before sex and i had difficulty fitting into a Magnum. I guess we never hit our maximum errection quality when we're overtrained.


once you go back to Penis Enlargement, i would recommend you do exactly what I did. Go straight into hanging. Maybe the first day do a very light [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] for 15 minutes ( dont count this as your 5 sessions). Also, when doing manuals, DON'T pull as HARD as you can. DON'T. just moderately pull it. That's why hanging is preferred cause you can exactly measure how much force is being exerted on your dick and for how long. And do it just once, and let it be. wait for two days, and do it again. The game is patience.
 
goldmember said:
Hey VK,

I appreciate you bringing this to everyone's attention, and diligently working it out and sharing your experience. I was planning on taking a full four months, then going all-out for one month; repeat. But now I think I will just do what you have done: one workout every three days w/ [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for 40 hours following the workout, total rest one day, then repeat for five sessions.

My routine will be the routine that gave me the bulk of my gains...NEWBIE ROUTINE! Except I will replace the jelqs with Behind-The-Balls jelqs, so I don't stress lateral bonds (I will focus on length entirely). I will also do the 10% increase in intensity every workout, in the form of bundled blasters or some sort of more intense stretch.

As far as my rest period, I have gained NOTHING, but that is a good thing...I have stayed exactly where I was at when I had my last Penis Enlargement session...just below 7" for length, and just below 6" for girth.

I have been using a 90%DMSO/10%water cream on my penis hoping that it will accelerate the deconditioning process. Other options for those looking would be porcine relaxin and/or Potaba.

I really like your idea for the overlapping cycles. Maybe you can give that a try your next go??
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Thanks alot for the compliments friend.
About your routine:
That all sounds great GM. The only thing that I would modify is the 40 hours of ADSing. It should be stressed out that during the P-phase you don't want to cause further inflamation of the tissue. ADSing for too long will cause inflamation to some degree. I would suggest [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] as much as you can the day of your Penis Enlargement routine, and then take two days of complete rest.

Mentally prepare yourself to gain and 'FEEL' yourself grow.

One thing that I did that gave me a mental edge was that for a couple of minutes before my session, I would close my eyes and I would state my 'intention' that I'm intending to grow 3 millimeters in the next 3 days after doing this and I would visualize myself measuring 3 millimeters longer.


about the split I've proposed. I will definately give that a try next cycle in January.


GM, keep us posted on the DMSO and other deconditioning remedies.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
Thanks alot for the compliments friend.
About your routine:
That all sounds great GM. The only thing that I would modify is the 40 hours of ADSing. It should be stressed out that during the P-phase you don't want to cause further inflamation of the tissue. ADSing for too long will cause inflamation to some degree. I would suggest [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] as much as you can the day of your Penis Enlargement routine, and then take two days of complete rest.
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OK. I'll go by your advice.

Vaseline_Knight said:
Mentally prepare yourself to gain and 'FEEL' yourself grow.

One thing that I did that gave me a mental edge was that for a couple of minutes before my session, I would close my eyes and I would state my 'intention' that I'm intending to grow 3 millimeters in the next 3 days after doing this and I would visualize myself measuring 3 millimeters longer.


about the split I've proposed. I will definately give that a try next cycle in January.


GM, keep us posted on the DMSO and other deconditioning remedies.
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All I plan on doing right now is DMSO. If anything changes however, I'll let you know.
 
Painful Pleasur said:
wow. 0.8cm time to break out the champagne :s

that's merely a difference of erection/measurement/blood flow if you ask me.
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Fuck off and don't post if you're going to be negative all the time.

It's pretty obvious since he hasn't had any length changes in 2 years that this is a gain. If you think anything else you have NO clue what you're talking about.
 
I will take a 1 month break. I just want to get everyones views so i dont make any mistakes and not gain again!

How would this look?
> Manual Stretches (standard ones) followed by hanging
> Jelqing

follow this for 1-2 months (or is the above overtraining)?
then after this period would it be time to up the intensity and do something like this

> Manual stretches
> A Stretch
> Bundled tunica stretch
> Hanging SD, OTS

Any other recommendations and advice would be great, how does that look? cheers VK & upp2eightand6
 
spinner2 said:
Fuck off and don't post if you're going to be negative all the time.

It's pretty obvious since he hasn't had any length changes in 2 years that this is a gain. If you think anything else you have NO clue what you're talking about.
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First of all i'm not negative all the time. Second, I was pointing out that it might not be really a permanent gain. chill. my apologies.
 
Painful Pleasur said:
First of all i'm not negative all the time. Second, I was pointing out that it might not be really a permanent gain. chill. my apologies.
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You're right my friend. It may not be a permanent gain. Only time will tell. 0.8 cm might not be alot to many people but to me its alot. specially after not having gained anything since summer of 2004.

I hope you never hit such a platuea. Meanwhile, I'll take you up on you champagne offer, cause at the moment, there's a party in my pants. rofl
 
bulc9 said:
I will take a 1 month break. I just want to get everyones views so i dont make any mistakes and not gain again!

How would this look?
> Manual Stretches (standard ones) followed by hanging
> Jelqing

follow this for 1-2 months (or is the above overtraining)?
then after this period would it be time to up the intensity and do something like this

> Manual stretches
> A Stretch
> Bundled tunica stretch
> Hanging SD, OTS

Any other recommendations and advice would be great, how does that look? cheers VK & upp2eightand6
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bulc9, did you read the thread I linked in the very start of this thread? It outlines the IPR protocol thoroughly there and I've tried my best to translate Xenolith's Engineering English to normal, less complicated english.

Read it! according to IPR, there's no need to be on a routine more than 2 ( or at most 3) weeks.
 
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