I did 65 days of Penis Enlargement and nothing happened.Vaseline_Knight said:
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Painful Pleasur said:
Well 65 days is quite abit to not see 'any' gains.
Maybe you should give this a try. Many people overtrain much easier than others. While they can potentially gain much easier than most people (with much less effort that is) many of them don't because they go right past the 'optimal' workload and into overtraining.
That is a huge factor, which honestly hasn't been brought to the light "that"
much.
* what is the optimal time for jelqing (girth) and length or vise versa.
DLD said he shoots for a .75 " expansion when doing girth.
It takes me an hour which I built up to and my girth got slightly(sometimes)
over an 1/2", it would take atleast another half hour to get another 1/4"
That to me and many 1 1/2 hour is def. overtraining.
I was/am on 4 months straight(everyday) many/at least half were 2 one hour sessions. Maybe I haven't seen gains cuz I am/was overtraining????
I know only do like 1/2 the mornings and will see maybe towards beginning of Febuary were this takes me, that will be for me just over 6 months straight girth! !
much.
* what is the optimal time for jelqing (girth) and length or vise versa.
DLD said he shoots for a .75 " expansion when doing girth.
It takes me an hour which I built up to and my girth got slightly(sometimes)
over an 1/2", it would take atleast another half hour to get another 1/4"
That to me and many 1 1/2 hour is def. overtraining.
I was/am on 4 months straight(everyday) many/at least half were 2 one hour sessions. Maybe I haven't seen gains cuz I am/was overtraining????
I know only do like 1/2 the mornings and will see maybe towards beginning of Febuary were this takes me, that will be for me just over 6 months straight girth! !
blackice said:
After some really successful girth gains, I've come to realize that the 'Faux girth' expansion has no corrolation to gains. Just because your penis swells up (mostly due to fluid build up), doen't mean that in time you will cement that girth. If this was the case the guys over at tiger pumping, who regularly fill 8x3 tubes would have a permenant dick size of that proportion.
I thought that post girth expansion was a solid indicator of growth, but I reevaluated that sentiment a while back. Truthfully, it really does not make any sense to rely on a post girth session measurement, simply because there is going to be some fluid buildup and your tunica can only expand so far. I've found that my first girth session is usually the best for TOTAL expansion as I can reach the maximum capacity of the tunica fairly quickly. The next two girth sessions are used to help "maintain" this expansion but then I rest for four days and go back into a length oriented routine. I measured my BPFSL and I measured right on 8.25" on a cold stretch. That's progress. Measure progress with FSL and you'll see those eventually transfer over to erect length. It takes time, but with using this rest protocol I'm seeing pretty regular increases.
I've adjusted my schedule, as I thought I would go with a 4-5 session girth phase, but I feel like 3 is going to get me where I want to be. I'm concerned more with length and girth is just put into place so I can rest my glans and take a break from manual work for about 7-10 days. This rotation of 2 weeks of length work and 3 days of girth seems to be doing the trick. One of the things I don't do is try to Penis Enlargement when I'm resting. I'm speaking of [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] or ADC, it's absolutely a rest day. I know that with IPR the theory says that you should remodel the tissue for a period of 10-15 days but I don't think that's necessary to make good gains. It's a bit like deconditioning every time I take a break, because I'm not putting any stress on my penis for 5-7 days at a time. After this I notice that I feel a bit more in my tunica when I do some light toilet stretches but my BPFSL has improved. Tonight's test was to prove to myself that I'm thinking in the right direction. I've been measuring a bit more than 8.25" post length session, and to pull close to that cold is remarkable to me.
If I stop making progress I will definitely decondition for a month or two and start again.
VK, what's your current schedule like?
I've adjusted my schedule, as I thought I would go with a 4-5 session girth phase, but I feel like 3 is going to get me where I want to be. I'm concerned more with length and girth is just put into place so I can rest my glans and take a break from manual work for about 7-10 days. This rotation of 2 weeks of length work and 3 days of girth seems to be doing the trick. One of the things I don't do is try to Penis Enlargement when I'm resting. I'm speaking of [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] or ADC, it's absolutely a rest day. I know that with IPR the theory says that you should remodel the tissue for a period of 10-15 days but I don't think that's necessary to make good gains. It's a bit like deconditioning every time I take a break, because I'm not putting any stress on my penis for 5-7 days at a time. After this I notice that I feel a bit more in my tunica when I do some light toilet stretches but my BPFSL has improved. Tonight's test was to prove to myself that I'm thinking in the right direction. I've been measuring a bit more than 8.25" post length session, and to pull close to that cold is remarkable to me.
If I stop making progress I will definitely decondition for a month or two and start again.
VK, what's your current schedule like?
millionman said:
Well my last routine was on Tuesday night. I had sex on thursday and wore a cushion for ADCing for 2 hours prior to it. I get a HUGE expansion just ADCing. It's mostly fluid build up but she didn't know that. Before sex I took it off and put it back on for some fresh blood. so for about an hour and half I had a cushion on it was like a light clamping session. I'd never seen my dick so massive.
I tried ADSing yesterday but after 20 minutes I felt my tissues getting really tired. so I stopped.
I'm thinking of either completely resting. or doing a 5 session Girth cycle. Although IPR suggests the former. What do you guys think I should do?
VK, Are you using an air clamp for ADC?
I'm thinking that you should rest completely for 2-3 days in a week. If the tissues felt that much fatigue from [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] then you may consider resting completely. What are you using for [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]?
I'm thinking that you should rest completely for 2-3 days in a week. If the tissues felt that much fatigue from [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] then you may consider resting completely. What are you using for [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]?
millionman said:
No my rest days are complete rest. I dont [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]/ADC during my rest days. I use a Stallion Cock Cushion (Model E) for ADC. it's VERY stealthy, and with a wrap, very comfortable. I can't wear it by itself as I have alot of loose skin near the base and the skin gets bunched up and after a couple of hours starts to really hurt.
I'm using a regualr Fastsize [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. I will be looking into the vacuum ones probably sometime in january.
vk you should probably complete the protocol. 2 days of rest now, then 2-3 weeks [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words], then a decon phase again. personally i wouldnt do the girth routine, you would be gutted if you lost that length! i know i would be lol
VK, where do you get this ADC? Your best bet for [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] is the vac-extender because of the prolonged wear times.
EVO, Why would you follow a 2-3 [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] schedule when you could rest 2-3 days and go back to a length routine and continue to grow new penis? BIB and SWM wrote of great progress when they consistently worked to elongate the penis. With the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] as a support to a length routine you would be able to keep the penis in an elongated state, and it does attempt to heal even in this position. If you rest for 2-3 days your tissues don't completely heal, but they don't become overly tough either. Using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] by itself doesn't seem to be a solution, but I do think a light routine after a 2-3 day break and then ADSing for the rest of the time and along an IPR protocol work to increase the amount of work in a given period of time.
I'm not really sold on IPR, as much as I am on just resting and allowing the penis to recover. For me it's been about progression, using more intense stretches along with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] this has made a huge difference. Rest allows everything to settle down and then you can proceed once you've recovered. I'm working length in 2 week cycles, and then breaking for 4-7 days. This break is really determined by my mindset as well as the condition of my penis. If I'm getting beat up around my glans then I will break for a short while. This seems to be working brilliantly. I'm not really too keen on the idea of just wearing the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] by itself as it doesn't seem like it would be overly productive, although I could be wrong. Some light stretching and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] work would do the trick, at least I think it would.
EVO, Why would you follow a 2-3 [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] schedule when you could rest 2-3 days and go back to a length routine and continue to grow new penis? BIB and SWM wrote of great progress when they consistently worked to elongate the penis. With the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] as a support to a length routine you would be able to keep the penis in an elongated state, and it does attempt to heal even in this position. If you rest for 2-3 days your tissues don't completely heal, but they don't become overly tough either. Using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] by itself doesn't seem to be a solution, but I do think a light routine after a 2-3 day break and then ADSing for the rest of the time and along an IPR protocol work to increase the amount of work in a given period of time.
I'm not really sold on IPR, as much as I am on just resting and allowing the penis to recover. For me it's been about progression, using more intense stretches along with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] this has made a huge difference. Rest allows everything to settle down and then you can proceed once you've recovered. I'm working length in 2 week cycles, and then breaking for 4-7 days. This break is really determined by my mindset as well as the condition of my penis. If I'm getting beat up around my glans then I will break for a short while. This seems to be working brilliantly. I'm not really too keen on the idea of just wearing the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] by itself as it doesn't seem like it would be overly productive, although I could be wrong. Some light stretching and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] work would do the trick, at least I think it would.
millionman said:
well, I did a light clamping set with the Air clamp today. I get SO easilyy fatigued with constrictors. I just did a 10 minute clamp/edge set with bends incorprated to 'correct' my curve. Each bend lasted 1 minute. so most of the clamping was oriented towards curve correction.
I'll see how my penis reacts to this. I have been ADC'ing ever since the clamp set and did quite a bit of warm up/ cool down. The Air Clamp is quite mild and doesn't 'explode' the penis like Cable Clamps so I like it for now better than cable clamps.
The CTC Stallion Cock Cushions are by far the BEST Penis Enlargement investment I have ever made. I highly recommend the whole set. but if you wanna just get one, get the E model.
I would consider the vacu [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] from autoextender, but at the moment I don't have the financial resources, so it's gonna have to wait until after the holidays.
Even though I know I should stick to the protocol, I'm giving this girth cycle a try one session at a time. If I lose any size, I'm stopping right away.
Any input about this is greatly appreciated.
I think that if you are successful with this routine then I would ride it out for a bit and see where it could take you. If you're continuing to gain, why would you change anything? IPR is in many ways about finding your "sweet spot" and staying in that until gains run out. I think adhering to anyone else's program or routine at this stage of your Penis Enlargement career is only going to be productive to a certain extenet. As we know in the Penis Enlargement universe no system has been set in place and not everyone will benefit from certain individual laws or theories, but we can LEARN from them and apply them to ourselves as individuals.
VK, stick with what works for you. I've found that working length more than girth is helping me to gain in BOTH areas although I'm only working girth for three sessions every two weeks. I don't know if everyone could gain from this, or if they could gain from such short length sessions either. It is working for me right now. Once you've ridden that wave as long as you can, then you should break for a bit, setup a new plan, and gather yourself for your next phase. It's all about progression and working to make better decisions for yourself individually.
When is your next length cycle?
VK, stick with what works for you. I've found that working length more than girth is helping me to gain in BOTH areas although I'm only working girth for three sessions every two weeks. I don't know if everyone could gain from this, or if they could gain from such short length sessions either. It is working for me right now. Once you've ridden that wave as long as you can, then you should break for a bit, setup a new plan, and gather yourself for your next phase. It's all about progression and working to make better decisions for yourself individually.
When is your next length cycle?
What are your thoughts on using IPR strategy with only manual stretches and jelqs?
I was thinking that the progression would be in added time stretching and say 10-20% more jelqs each session.
IE: day 1 -- 10 min stretches, 150 jelqs, day 4 -- 15 min stretches, 180 jelqs, etc.
Thanks
I was thinking that the progression would be in added time stretching and say 10-20% more jelqs each session.
IE: day 1 -- 10 min stretches, 150 jelqs, day 4 -- 15 min stretches, 180 jelqs, etc.
Thanks
Bigcharlie, That progression sounds fine. You can follow the general 10% rule with any routine you choose. Just make sure that you increase the amount of work done by 10% each consecutive workout until you go into a proliferation phase, and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and then rest and decondition. That's how it goes.
I don't adhere to a pure IPR routine, but that's just me knowing and understanding my body. How long have you been involved with Penis Enlargement BC?
I don't adhere to a pure IPR routine, but that's just me knowing and understanding my body. How long have you been involved with Penis Enlargement BC?
Off and on for several years now... but I never saw any concrete gains, got frustrated, and quit. I've pretty much given up as it seemed pointless, even when I got up to 17-20 lbs hanging weights.
A lack of success has really dampened my motivation, and I often see Penis Enlargement as a chore and not as a positive activity.
Hopefully some results from IPR would restore my interest again..
A lack of success has really dampened my motivation, and I often see Penis Enlargement as a chore and not as a positive activity.
Hopefully some results from IPR would restore my interest again..
millionman said:
Very well said.
I'm planning my next length cycle mid January.
bigcharlie said:
That should be fine. The only problem with manual stretches is that there is no way of guaging how much force is being applied to the penis. You wouldn't wanna apply too much stress as it would send you to the overtrain zone. Hanging (specially with a vacuum hanger) is accurate in terms of the weight applied and the force applied can be maintained for much longer than with manuals. Also, try to increase workload by about 10% every time.. so first time you do 150 jelqs, day 4 you do 165, Day 7 you did (1.1 x 165) and etc.
millionman said:
So I just re-stated what you had already said. Damnit! Always a step ahead
bigcharlie said:
Definately give this a try. But try to be patient with the weights and slowly increase the amount of weight hanging off your penis. Too much weight too fast wont give you the gains that IPR promises.