And Finally After Two Years>>> Vkay Gains!!!

VK, I wouldn't necessarily say that with manuals you can pull on your penis so hard during an abbreviated session that you would enter the overtraining/overstretching zone. There really isn't that fine of a line between the two. I think with manuals you look for the deepest stretch and work in the areas that are the tightest, whether it's a SD or SU stretch. Consistent tension applied with the hands is very safe, and I've gained most of my length from manuals. I think the biggest difference in this whole equation is the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and consistency of my routines. I work to increase by 10% in some way whether it's length of time a stretch is held, total number of stretches, or the types of stretches performed (bundled v. basic).

Like I've said before I think it's more important to train in the weak areas, or in the penis' case the tight spots, and work this for a time and then move to another weakness. It's finding limiting factors, is all.
 
millionman said:
VK, I wouldn't necessarily say that with manuals you can pull on your penis so hard during an abbreviated session that you would enter the overtraining/overstretching zone. There really isn't that fine of a line between the two. I think with manuals you look for the deepest stretch and work in the areas that are the tightest, whether it's a SD or SU stretch. Consistent tension applied with the hands is very safe, and I've gained most of my length from manuals. I think the biggest difference in this whole equation is the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and consistency of my routines. I work to increase by 10% in some way whether it's length of time a stretch is held, total number of stretches, or the types of stretches performed (bundled v. basic).

Like I've said before I think it's more important to train in the weak areas, or in the penis' case the tight spots, and work this for a time and then move to another weakness. It's finding limiting factors, is all.
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You may be right on that one. I personally have never gained from 'stretching', even though almost all my previous length gains (close to two inches) came from jelqing and manual work. But I was never a fan of manual stretching and doing it alone never yeilded any gains for me. But then again neither did hanging with the BIB for 4 15 minute sets everday for 2 months. I guess when your overtrained, the penis turns into concrete. Impossible to stretch.
 
Just as an update, I am now experimenting with a double IPR routine. The length cycle finished and I gained 0.8 cm from it. The gains as of today are still there.

I did my first girth session on Saturday, December 2nd, and after two days of rest my Second girth session yesterday.

Here's my routine.


I thoroughly warm up for about 15 to 20 minutes with the air heater. You could use a hot bath or hot compress but I prefer this way because it's dry.


I edge or balloon for at least 30 minutes. I get some quality adult entertainment and I edge with long strokes that cover the whole shaft. I go as close to the point of no return as I can and I GENTLY squeeze my BC muscle. (note: if you squeeze your PC muscle hard it will make you ejaculate).

To redirect Energy: Experiencing Multi ogasms

I then stand up, do a strong kegel and squeeze my buttcheeks together as hard as I can. This rushes the sexual energy to the base of the spine. I then try moving this energy up the spine by doing mini kegels and mini inhilations. If you have no experience with the internal arts just remember this. Where Thought goes, Energy follows. so THINK of the energy building up right at the base of your spine as you squeeze your buttcheeks, then imagine this energy moving up your spine, everytime you do the inhilation until you move it into your head and into your crown chakrah. Bring this energy from the base of your spine to your head 9 times. By now if you've been doing it right, your errection quality has subsided quite a bit. Restimulate yourself to an errection and repeat this three times.

After withholding from ejaculation 3 times, i keep stimulating myself but by only touching 'non trigger areas'. For example, right underneath the glans is a trigger area and touching it will make you ejaculate. So I try massaging and stroking the sides of my penis (the CC chambers) and every now and then I massage behind the balls to relieve tension in the BC muscle. The goal is to maintain this level of arousal for about 30 minutes without ejaculation.


Everytime we get close to ejacualtion we burn alot of testostrone and convert it into Dihydrotestrostrone ( or DHT). As discussed in another thread, scientific studies have been done to prove DHT's positive effect on the growth of penile tissue. So by now I've drenched my penis in DHT for about 30 minutes, and there's alot of DHT rich blood in my penis. Penile balooning method advocates that this DHT rich blood will make the penis grow and one can ejaculate after holding back for 3times. I however believe that ejaculation will slow down the repair and proliferation phase.

I masturbated on Sunday and as a result, I was still a little fatigued (and not recovered) yesterday. So my advice would be not ejaculating for the two weeks of doing the girth cylce.



NOTE: At the End of the whole girth session You MUST exit the energy out of your head by touching your tongue to the roof of your mouth and imagining the energy moving from your head onto your face, down your throat, past your heart and stored into your stomach. If you don't, you will start noticing very bad headaches, and some other ill effects as this energy is not meant to be indefinately stored in the head (crown charka)

NOTE: Please don't try this until you read the book 'The Multi-Orgasmic Man by Mantak Chia. In the mean time just try edging until your close to ejaculation and then hold back. Do NOT ejacualte! get up , do some push ups or do whatever you can until your erection has gone down. This will achieve the same amount of DHT in your penis. Do this three times and do the rest of the routine



After doing this three times and for 30 mintues you have a very pliable penis. Let your errection subside a little (either by leaving it alone and walking around, or by doing another 'energy draw into the head'. you basically want a flacid penis with alot of blood in it. You don't want a hard tunica.


Now I start jelqing with a very firm grip. after about 50 jelqs I'm around 60-70 % errect. These first 50 jelqs are not counted in the total jelq count as they serve to get the penis in the desired state. I now I jelq for half the required amount of jelqs. (for first session I started with 150 so, I did 50 jelqs to get into the 60-70% erection level and then I did 75 jelqs. I do another 75 at the end of my routine.)


By the end of 75 jelqs the penis is filled with blood, but still not quite errect. I wrap at the base, and put on the air clamp. (if you're using cable clamps, just make sure you don't tighten it all the way down to a MAXIMUM constrictor. just enough to cause expansion and a slight internal stretch. I highly recommend the air clamp as it prevents the erection from subsiding, and the pressure exerted isn't too extreme.)

I edge for two minutes in the clamp. I then do bends each lasting 60 seconds. I have a curve to the left so I skip bend to that direction since I wanna correct it. The bend should be slight and the pressure exerted should only gradually increase. Don't all of a sudden snap your dick in half. Go very gradual about this. You're penis is deconditioned and you don't wanna damage yourself, and trust me you can EASILY injure yourself now. You have to take extra care as the same exercises you were doing pre-decon will potentially hurt you post-decon.


So I do one 60 second set to the right, if my erection has subsided (which is likely after a minute of bends) I release pressure from the air clamp, restimulate myself to a full errection, re-apply pressure and then do another bend in the same dirrection. Then I do two in the downward direction. followed by another in the right direction and another in the downward dirrection. I have an upward curve and a left curve, so you guys can focus on all four directions if you want.


I'm now at the 8 minute mark. I restimulate myself to full erection and stay in the clamp for another 2 minutes. Total of 10 minutes in the Clamp.

Take the clamp off, and do 75 jelqs.

then wear a cock cushion (or a cock ring) for the rest of the day, followed by two complete rest days. I do warm up/ warm down during rest days to enhance recovery.




Yesterday, I increased the amount of time in the clamp by one minute. And increased the total number of jelqs by 10% (or 15 jelqs).

I also warm down with heat, or IR lamp for another 5-10 minutes


Tell me what you guys think of this routine.


The whole thing should take :

Warm up 15 minutes
Edging 30 minutes
Jelqing 5 minutes
Clamp 10 minutes
Jelqing 5 minutes
Warm down 5 minutes


Total 70 minutes. But only 20 minutes of it is actual manual Penis Enlargement.


Tell me what you guys think.
 
That sounds a good routine, very similar to my 8week girth routine. I still edge now as I believe it's benefitial to proliferation and recovery, I also think it helps my athletic recovery and feeling of confidence/well-being.
When in ADC do you maintain an erection? When I adc I go flaccid... but a big flaccid:P . I also ANC... lightly, because I get good erections at night.
 
looks good to me, how intense do you clamp? for the last 1 or 2 sessions you could continue the edging in the clamp just to increase the intensity, just an idea. but hey dont listen to me im the one with the damn clamping injury <:( >:( :blush:
 
VK, You might consider how much time you're going to edge. You could spend this time edging in the clamp, or maybe reduce the time down to 5-10 minutes to get hard enough to go into the clamp. That's what seems to work best for me, as I can get much better expansion internally if I edge in the clamp. Although from my perspective I'm not edging, as I'm actually working to stay completely erect while clamped so I can continue to maintain that 100-110% expansion for 10 minute sets. I think the biggest problem that I have is that I end up having 10 minute sets of clamping and jelqing and it gets a bit monotonous.
 
gimmegirth said:
That sounds a good routine, very similar to my 8week girth routine. I still edge now as I believe it's benefitial to proliferation and recovery, I also think it helps my athletic recovery and feeling of confidence/well-being.
When in ADC do you maintain an erection? When I adc I go flaccid... but a big flaccid:P . I also ANC... lightly, because I get good erections at night.
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No no, you don't want to be HARD while ADCing. Just a bit of of blood in the penis to restrict it from retracting completely will get the job done. If you get errect a couple of times during the day, oh well, that just helps.
 
EVO said:
looks good to me, how intense do you clamp? for the last 1 or 2 sessions you could continue the edging in the clamp just to increase the intensity, just an idea. but hey dont listen to me im the one with the damn clamping injury <:( >:( :blush:
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LOL at <:( >:( :blush:

hahahahah jokes.

I don't go intense at all compared to what I used to put my dick through while clamping. With the Air clamp you don't need to 'edge' while in the clamp. It magically maintains your erection even if you don't touch your dick and think about ugly fat men naked. If you do think of ugly fat naked men, and you take the air clamp off and you still have an erection, then please seak professional help.
 
millionman said:
VK, You might consider how much time you're going to edge. You could spend this time edging in the clamp, or maybe reduce the time down to 5-10 minutes to get hard enough to go into the clamp. That's what seems to work best for me, as I can get much better expansion internally if I edge in the clamp. Although from my perspective I'm not edging, as I'm actually working to stay completely erect while clamped so I can continue to maintain that 100-110% expansion for 10 minute sets. I think the biggest problem that I have is that I end up having 10 minute sets of clamping and jelqing and it gets a bit monotonous.
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I see what you mean, but edging prior to clamping isn't meant to give me expansion. I'm trying to tackle the whole 'penile balooning'/ DHT concepts(and it will give me a greater amount of ejaculatory control... not that I need more... 2 minutes is more than enough time for any woman.) I agree with you though. With Cable clamps, you NEED to edge to maintain a 110% erection for 10 minutes. But with the airclamp you don't. Whatever you manage to have at the time of applying the air clamp, will stay put during the time you're in the clamp.
 
millionman said:
Hmmm....maybe I should look into buying an air clamp. That could be interesting.
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I highly recommend it. The only thing I wish I did is getting the larger model. The standard model is slightly small for my base girth. It's reasonably priced too.
 
I have an air clamp but did not get on too well with it, I ended up lining my cable clamp with a bead of clear silicone sealant.

Do you have any idea why or how the air clamp maintains the erection without stimulation or edging and the cable clamp does not?

Maybe I should get the air clamp out of retirement for another try.
 
bluenun said:
I have an air clamp but did not get on too well with it, I ended up lining my cable clamp with a bead of clear silicone sealant.

Do you have any idea why or how the air clamp maintains the erection without stimulation or edging and the cable clamp does not?

Maybe I should get the air clamp out of retirement for another try.
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You know I have no idea. But I think it could be, because of how pressure is applied, which is uniform all around the penis. I guess it successfully blocks out almost all pathways OUT of the penis, or at least slows them down to a MUCH slower rate than blood comming in. I have tried 'Multi-Clamping', But the Effect isn't the same.
 
Hmmm...I like dual clamping for the internal stretch. I think one of the biggest issues with clamping is the wrap. If you can't get the wrap right then you will have trouble with standard clamping. Since the cuff of the air clamp inflates to a uniform pressure seal around the shaft. This would be easier to learn and have consistent sessions. At the same time I've read a bit about the internal stretch not being as high in comparison to standard clamps. I have no idea one way or the other. Dual clamping after a pumping set is definitely a solid workout almost every time. I say almost because sometimes I'll get really sleepy during a session and I end up not having a solid session. Those are usually the nights before a 4-7 day break.

VK, Are you still working the girth routine as you outlined?
 
millionman said:
Hmmm...I like dual clamping for the internal stretch. I think one of the biggest issues with clamping is the wrap. If you can't get the wrap right then you will have trouble with standard clamping. Since the cuff of the air clamp inflates to a uniform pressure seal around the shaft. This would be easier to learn and have consistent sessions. At the same time I've read a bit about the internal stretch not being as high in comparison to standard clamps. I have no idea one way or the other. Dual clamping after a pumping set is definitely a solid workout almost every time. I say almost because sometimes I'll get really sleepy during a session and I end up not having a solid session. Those are usually the nights before a 4-7 day break.

VK, Are you still working the girth routine as you outlined?
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ya double (or triple) clamping is VERY intense. I don't think I could handle it right now even though I usd to ALWAYS multi clamp whenever I had a clamp session. i had blood come out of my penis a couple of times though and really don't want that to happen again.


Today will be the third day of my girth session. I haven't gained any girth so far.


Measuring girth has always been very inconsistent as it depends on the level of arousal. I would say three girth measurments exist:

1) dry girth
2) warm girth
3) faux girth


1) Dry Girth

This is the girth measured at your midshaft when you get an erection. If you're watching adult entertainment, or masturbating without any prior penile stimmulation.

As I measured last night, My Dry Girth is 13.5 cm.


2) warm girth
This is the girth measured at midshaft when you have warmed up a bit. For example if you do 100 jelqs, a couple of uli's before reaching maximum erection, or if you measure right at the beginning of your first clamping session, right when you apply the clamp. I always thought this is the most consistent method because it is not considering any fluid build up (because its the beginning of the set) and it is showing you, everytime, the maximum penile volume capacity. This is to girth what BPFSL is to length.

As I measured last night, My warm girth is 15.6 cm. ( seemed to have lost some warm girth as my previous measurements before my decon break were 16-16.2 cm) Perhaps this loss just means that warm girth is an indicator of how elastic the penile tissue is. Hence inhibiting one's ability to cause plastic deformation to trigger permenant 'Dry' girth gains.




3) faux girth


This is the girth measured at midshaft after a heavy duty girth session.


I haven't measured my faux girth lately as my previous two sessions weren't intense enough to yeild that much faux girth expansion. Most of this girth is due to fluid build up. I used to measure anywhere around 17 to 17.5 cm depending on how much time I spent clamping.




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I conclude that the most reliable of the three is the Dry girth measurment. It is also the most dissapointing one. I think we as men love to lie about size. So much so that we even lie to ourselves. Well I have anyways. According to this method of measuring, I am at 13.5 cm midshaft girth almost an inch smaller than my 'warmed' up erection. I will be using this as a way to guage my progress.

I wanted to see if others here have found such inconsistancies between their dry and warm girth measurements?


I will still claim 8 inches of midshaft girth when talking about my dick size with girls.>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :cool:
 
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I've got the same changes in girth, it's totally normal.

I just quit measuring girth a few months after I started because it changes so much. Sometimes I swear it's like 4.5, and other days it's like 5.5... Normal condoms fit well, so I just have it in my mind that it's normal rofl . As long as I feel it getting bigger in my hand I'll just ignore it.
 
spinner2 said:
I've got the same changes in girth, it's totally normal.

I just quit measuring girth a few months after I started because it changes so much. Sometimes I swear it's like 4.5, and other days it's like 5.5... Normal condoms fit well, so I just have it in my mind that it's normal rofl . As long as I feel it getting bigger in my hand I'll just ignore it.
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Ya I know what you mean. On a dry errection, I can roll a regular condom on with ease. But when 'warmed up', even Magnums are hard to put on. The only comfortable ones so far have been Mangum XL's. Trojan XXL's are too tight too. But they're long as hell. I could probably wear them two fold.
 
Just as an update. I didn't really get to do my 'girth session' today.

I did the Edging except right after each energy draw I did 50 jelqs.

Something very interesting happened. I was feeling EXTREMELY fatigued in the base due to the jelqs. ?:( These were very mild jelqs at around 40-50% erect, but I felt the same amount of fatigue as I would from an hour of hanging.

Unfortunately I had an 'accident' right when I applied the clamp. So I didn't get to do the clamping thing today. I will monitor to see if I gained anything from this sequence of jelqing (although ejaculation could have possibly hindered any potential gains).

Also noted, was that after clamping, my penis feels like it was ran over by a truck and if I don't ADC, it will turtle up. A clear sign of too much stress. Maybe I'll take it easy with Clamping for a while.

Does anyone know if anyone's gained girth from just jelqing?
 
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