And Finally After Two Years>>> Vkay Gains!!!

You've got a good size already VK. Keep working and you'll get where you want to be. I never thought your gains would go away while deconditioning. It's something we all worry about though.

As far as the erect hanging, although your method is quite different, I'm not so sure that I'd be brave enough to try it. There's some possibility that it will be a solid workout, but there's also the off chance that by utilizing a hanger that you could cause some sort of odd wieght displacement injury. What I'm saying really is be careful and I hope it works out for you. I'm going to get back into my manual length sessions this next week. I'll be starting off moderately and progress to a more intense program over the course of two weeks as usual. Keep this thread updated as you go through your cycle so that we can see if you change the setup and if you notice anything beyond your 1cm goal.
 
Yesterday I was about to do my second Hang session, when I recieved a 'phone call'. I decided that I just might need my unit functioning later in the day and thought it unfair to subject it to such strain before a performance night. I decided to just do jelqs and light clamping with a cock ring (cock cushion).

I've been doing something I read on Thunder's which later on turned out to be one of DLD's early creations. It's simple: get as hard as you can, kegel so ur unit is engorged and keep the kegel squeezed. Right after you kegel press your unit down with the palm of your hand (while still maintaining the kegel and the PC muscle flexed) and force your erection to get parallel to ground. Hold this squeeze for 10-20 seconds, and then before you let go of the kegel ease up your hand and let your erection come back up, hold for another second and then slowly ease up on the kegel and relax. I don't know what this is called but DLD is genius for developing it. My erections have been really hard lately.


I've also come to a similar realization as that of Millionman, where he said that he'd been claiming sizes that he is just now reaching.

Although I have measured pics, of the sizes I have claimed, I believe that the true girth measurement is that of an unaided, unassisted, un-warmed up erection. At that I'm around 13.5 cm. After about 10 Uli squeezes and putting on a cock ring I reach a mid shaft girth of anywhere around 15.5 cm to 16.5 cm. This is non-fluid build up girth, but nevertheless I feel I have been misleading myself into believing that this is my true girth measurement.

Here's a picture of my erection yesterday, before I did any jelqs. As you can see I'm lacking quite a bit of girth in this picture, but this is what I call a 'dry' erection, with no cock ring, no constrictor (not even my hand) and no Penis Enlargement of any sort to warm up the penile tissue.

My appologies to everyone for this discrepancy in size claims.. I never meant to mislead anyone, but I guess I was sincerely in denial. I hope one day I can post a picture of a dry girth measurement of 6.5" and I believe the first step to that is acknowledging where I truely stand now.
 
A second and third note to add are the following:


As many of you had noticed I had very bad discoloration due to clamping. After the month off of Penis Enlargement that I had, I would say the discoloration (as you can see in the pic) has diminished about 80%.



and finally, I experimented with icing and then applying heat to the penis. I deep massaged my penis around midshaft as I believe I have alot of collagen scar tissue built up there. I can feel the texture when I press down. The Icing, I did with two Ice packs, 20 seconds one on top one on bottom followed by 20 seconds one on each side, in both cases applying pressure so that the cold penetrates as deep as possible. I ten apply heat. I feel that this is the best way of reducing scar tissue build up, hence slowing down conditioning and hence maximizing gians. It could also speed up the healing process. After this I didn't retract like I normally would after a Penis Enlargement session and even today I'm still hanging heavy. Very pleased with this, and will be experimenting further with it.


If anyone has any wisdom to share about this, please feel free to post.
 
VK, I feel the same way you do about my girth. I've been as big as 5.75" with no fluid buildup but that's edged and in the "heat" phase of arousal. I'm still focused on length as I'd like to get to over 9" EL at some point. That's been the dream for as long as I can remember, but I've lessened it to 8.5" since I thought it would take me too long to get there. With this current methodology I've been experimenting with 9" is very possible, although it will take a considerable amount of time.

I've used an ice/heat therapy before. It yielded some solid results but after a time it got to be very time consuming and the cold was almost painful. I would use an ice massage over the entire shaft and this was also back when my bruising was probably at it's worst. I stepped away from ice treatment in favor of hot water treatments just for ease of use and the bruising for me lessened significantly when I went with heat treatments only.

How has the erect hanging been going? That's been discussed here with the bib hanger. Aren't you using a max-vac?
 
millionman said:
VK, I feel the same way you do about my girth. I've been as big as 5.75" with no fluid buildup but that's edged and in the "heat" phase of arousal. I'm still focused on length as I'd like to get to over 9" EL at some point. That's been the dream for as long as I can remember, but I've lessened it to 8.5" since I thought it would take me too long to get there. With this current methodology I've been experimenting with 9" is very possible, although it will take a considerable amount of time.

I've used an ice/heat therapy before. It yielded some solid results but after a time it got to be very time consuming and the cold was almost painful. I would use an ice massage over the entire shaft and this was also back when my bruising was probably at it's worst. I stepped away from ice treatment in favor of hot water treatments just for ease of use and the bruising for me lessened significantly when I went with heat treatments only.

How has the erect hanging been going? That's been discussed here with the bib hanger. Aren't you using a max-vac?
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Ya I'm using Max-Vac, but hanging my own method I described. I've tried it with BIB, but it seems very tough since blood circulation is cut and the contraption itself kills the erection.
 
So after it was all said-n-done, you gained 1/8" length from the first cycle of the IPR protocol? If I remember correctly, you originally had 5/16" gain after the "I" phase...

Nice job, thanks for posting this thread.
 
goldmember said:
So after it was all said-n-done, you gained 1/8" length from the first cycle of the IPR protocol? If I remember correctly, you originally had 5/16" gain after the "I" phase...

Nice job, thanks for posting this thread.
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It's too early in the day for me to do math, but I basically went from 18.2 cm BPenis EnlargementL to 19 cm, which is a 0.8 cm increase, (5/16th of an inch) after the I phase. I didn't gain anything more in the P or the R phase, just maintained the gain.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
It's too early in the day for me to do math, but I basically went from 18.2 cm BPenis EnlargementL to 19 cm, which is a 0.8 cm increase, (5/16th of an inch) after the I phase. I didn't gain anything more in the P or the R phase, just maintained the gain.
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Oh ok. You should know that your stats (signature) say otherwise. From Oct. 30th to Dec 10th it says you went from 7 5/8" to 7 3/4"
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
As many of you had noticed I had very bad discoloration due to clamping. After the month off of Penis Enlargement that I had, I would say the discoloration (as you can see in the pic) has diminished about 80%.
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After my 8 week girth routine with minimal rest my discoloration didn't go away. It's still with me after decon. but not as bad. I'm soon going to experiment with lemon juice application to lighten the discoloration. I'll keep you posted (I forgot the damn lemon while shopping today!?!?)

The contrast technique is interesting, I use it to good effect for muscle recovery. An increase in bloodflow aids healing but the biggest increase in bloodflow for the penis is an erection.... it would help to reduce inflamation, espiecially if you start and end cold.
 
goldmember said:
Oh ok. You should know that your stats (signature) say otherwise. From Oct. 30th to Dec 10th it says you went from 7 5/8" to 7 3/4"
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ya my bone pressed Flacid Stretch length went from 7" 5/8 to 7" 3/4.
but my bone pressed Erect Length went from 18.2 cm, to 19.0 cm.

I find gains in BPenis EnlargementL much more worthy of tracking than BPFSL. I feel I'd been misleading myself with BPFSL claiming a size in high 7's when my erect length was in the low sevens. Right now I'm just short of 7.5" BPenis EnlargementL. Hopefully one day I will reach 8.5 NON bone pressed erect length since nbp measurements is ultimately what will matter. BP measurements, however, are the most consistent.

When are you comming off of your decon?
 
gimmegirth said:
After my 8 week girth routine with minimal rest my discoloration didn't go away. It's still with me after decon. but not as bad. I'm soon going to experiment with lemon juice application to lighten the discoloration. I'll keep you posted (I forgot the damn lemon while shopping today!?!?)

The contrast technique is interesting, I use it to good effect for muscle recovery. An increase in bloodflow aids healing but the biggest increase in bloodflow for the penis is an erection.... it would help to reduce inflamation, espiecially if you start and end cold.
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can you eleborate?
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
Any plans on what you're gonna do?
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IPR with stretching only: [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words].
 
I've rested for about 10 days now and I did a few easy stretches this morning and everything has tightened up a bit, but my FSL is actually a bit longer than it was post session on the last day. I've been measuring at the end of my 2 week period and again before a restart and everything seems to get consistently larger after a rest break when compared to the last post session measurement. Anyone else noticed something similar?
 
millionman said:
I've rested for about 10 days now and I did a few easy stretches this morning and everything has tightened up a bit, but my FSL is actually a bit longer than it was post session on the last day. I've been measuring at the end of my 2 week period and again before a restart and everything seems to get consistently larger after a rest break when compared to the last post session measurement. Anyone else noticed something similar?
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That's interesting.

I was reading an article on deconditioning skeletal muscles, (HST Strategic Deconditioning) and the article proposed that our muscles only need 9-14 days to decondition. Maybe the same IPR results can be obtained with only a 14 day decon break.
 
I have skipped yet another hang session.

I've been Kegeling and training my PC muscle and even though I did nothing else two days ago, I was still very sore today. Perhaps I'm developing more smooth muscle within the penile tissue. :s :s

Today, I had sex and wore my cock ring while doing it. I feel having sex with a good cock ring is the same as a clamping set and might have the same benefits.

Either way I'm EXTREMELY sore now and I will be taking a couple of days to completely recover before I hang again. <:(

But it's ok. Resting while sore only equates gains rofl
 
In my experiences I've found that 10-14 days off work very well. In fact I've been off now for about 12 days and am probably going to stay off for at least another 2-3 days. Honestly, I just haven't felt like Penis Enlargementing much at all but at the same time I've noticed that my penis has responded very well to the break. I'm hanging lower and I'm definitely more relaxed overall in the penis dept. We just hit a serious cold snap in the last few days and I haven't had a terrible problem with turtling or anything like what I've had in the past. I'll be sure to post when I start back up.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
That's interesting.

I was reading an article on deconditioning skeletal muscles, (HST Strategic Deconditioning) and the article proposed that our muscles only need 9-14 days to decondition. Maybe the same IPR results can be obtained with only a 14 day decon break.
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The muscles sre TOTALLY different to blood vessels. I think this sort of comparison isn't valid. Conditioning of the muscles involves increased enzyme counts, increased neural activation, muscle co-ordination, hypertrophy etc etc. It's totally different to the coditioning of the penis which it seems is mostly the result of collagen build-up.

In a sports performance regime i've never seen real deconditioning used effectively, transition/active rest, yes... but never full decon.
 
GG, You must not have ever worked with any PLers, speed skaters, oly lifters, or track athletes. These groups after a competition take off for 2 weeks before returning to a lighter regimen for their next event. Training cycles are all relevant to the time between events. Another issue would be what type of periodization was being utilized, if using linear periodization then there would be at least 2 weeks off because of the constant escalation of the intensity during the training cycles.

The comparison is in regards to the tissues that are bearing load. If you allow the body, any tissues, to recover and rest then there will always be a slight rebound in between bouts of intense work. This is true for joint loading movements but can also be correlated to Penis Enlargement as we are putting large amounts of strain on the ligaments and ET which would need time to recover, not necessarily matbolically but structurally. We're not really dicussing this in regards to girth work but in regards to stretching routines and how rest effects things like flaccid hang and how long it takes on average to decondition to a point where gains are seen consistently. I've noted this to be 10-14 days for me personally and I think that's a solid time frame for what could at best be called partial deconditioning.
 
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