I just read the whole thread. Some great stuff and some not so great.

Regardless, it's good to be reminded that the huge freaks you see here are not the norm.
 
WantToBeThick;496557 said:
I just read the whole thread. Some great stuff and some not so great.

Regardless, it's good to be reminded that the huge freaks you see here are not the norm.

That's because we have an instinctive mechanism in our brain that forces us to see things in a way that benefits our situation, for purposes of survival. I keep that in mind when I read articles written by men about how women don't necessarily want a huge cock.
 
I spoke to a very beautiful white girl (22) about penis size yesterday on one of those sites where the girls strip on a webcam, asked her some questions.
I asked what size does she prefer. She told me 7 inches and up, but girls can pretty much take anything. She told me girls like big dicks.
I then asked her what would be her depth limit, like at what point would it either hurt or just completely stop, as women can't stretch forever. She agreed, saying that all women have different depths and that there is a point where it could hurt (her exact words were "if he was a sweet enough guy, it wouldn't matter" when I asked her "what if it was so long that it reached the back of you and caused pain"). She told me she has taken one around 9 inches when I asked her how long was the longest penis she could take before it just stopped dead inside her. She is an intelligent university student, so I imagine her judgement of inches is pretty accurate. I would imagine the 9 inch was between 8.25-9 inches. She had a boyfriend with an 8 inch and she said that was the best sex she'd ever had, but I imagine that is because she loved him and the emotional attachment. So i imagine emotions play a role in sex to a degree, but keep in mind the guy still had around an 8 inch (i imagine it was proabably around 7.5-8 inches) so that is still big.
She told me girls like watching a dick go in and out of them just as much as guys do. So a big dick would give them a very satisfying visual and mental stimulation.
She has a very tight vagina and told me she prefers them long as opposed to thick (large circumference) but I imagine her inexperience led her to that answer. In other words, I imagine, say an 8x6.5 may hurt her at first, but she would soon love it. I assume she answered this way because for her the length stimulated her more than a shorter penis of greater girth. This leads to the conclusion that each are as equally important as the other.
Another interesting note, she is pale skinned with a very pink vagina, she was saying how she'd love to see a dark black cock going inside her pale pink vagina, that it would really turn her on seeing this, so I believe the mental and visual stimulation plays a great role in why white women like black guys. Also the given that the penis will be more than adequate is also a large factor.
A bit of information of the girl to see where this information is coming from: she had been with 3 guys sexually. She seems spiritual (talked about praying), and said with her first boyfriend they did not have sex for the first 3 years. She is intelligent and is taking computer programming at university. She claimed she was doing the webcam thing for extra money for school and because he boyfriend broke up with her a week prior, so I imagine she wanted some attention from men and to feel sexy. I normally don't trust anything a woman says but something about her answers and the way she carried herself led me to believe she was being honest. I imagine she could have been playing the good girl role to entice men to pay to see her strip and finger herself etc. (it was a site where you give them "tips" and they will do things) but I told her outright that I would never pay a woman for any type of sexual favour and she continued answering questions and talking to me even after I told her that, also while still wearing clothing. She was however very candid about her answers and did not feel ashamed to speak openly about her sexuality, even though her experience is lacking.
This is just one woman's opinion, and she is probably not a cock slut, although she does have a high sexual drive. She seems to be a girl with values and I imagine the way a man treats her is probably the most important part of sex to her, probably not a woman that just wants to be used by a large cock. That being said, by the way she responded to things me and others were saying to her, I still believe she would get off from being treated like a whore during sex, but not disrespected. If that makes sense. I think that is the paradox of women.
In conclusion, her answers leave me to believe that women like her, who have values but still have high sexuality, do prefer a large penis. Her estimated 7" and up, I would probably say 6.5"-6.75" and up. She claimed to not shorter thick ones and preferred longer ones, but I imagine in time she will prefer long thick ones. I also imagine that even though she claimed that no size is too big, she would still possibly prefer a man who fills her up completely with no room to spare, but who still can get it all the way in so her pelvis can be connected with his, since she seems to be the type of woman who puts intimacy and sensuality above all. Another thing is technique is very important according to the way she answered, as well as emotional connection, and how she is treated by the man. She seemed to dismiss the 9 inch as not being the best sex she's had to talk about her boyfriend with the 8 inch who she still loved. I imagine their connection and his technique made it so she remembered him so fondly.
Keep in mind there are tons of different women in the world, I know for a fact lots of them prefer to be treated like shit, and others liek taboo sexual acts, others prefer huge sizes, and others do not care, they just want money/status. But this one taht I spoke to seemed to be the type of woman I'd prefer to be with. Open and honest about the topic but also puts emotion and connection right up there, or above it. Keep in mind all my questions were blatant scientific questions regarding size, not to do with emotions (ie - what is the longest size that would not exceed your depth? would you agree that any length beyond that is for visual and mental stimulation? (she answered yes) what size was the best sex you have had? etc)
All in all, I really learned nothing new because it makes me believe 8.5x7 - 9x7 is the superior size, but it was refreshing to hear such honesty from a stranger.
An interesting side note, when she finally revealed her privates, I could see that she was wet from all the attention guys were giving her, she enjoyed being watched, admired and spoken to like a human. I think this information could be very useful for formulating good foreplay and trying to figure out the psyche of women and distinguish the difference between sex and emotions, if there is a difference.
Hope this was useful.
 
I spoke to a very beautiful white girl (22) about penis size yesterday on one of those sites where the girls strip on a webcam, asked her some questions.
I asked what size does she prefer. She told me 7 inches and up, but girls can pretty much take anything. She told me girls like big dicks.
I then asked her what would be her depth limit, like at what point would it either hurt or just completely stop, as women can't stretch forever. She agreed, saying that all women have different depths and that there is a point where it could hurt (her exact words were "if he was a sweet enough guy, it wouldn't matter" when I asked her "what if it was so long that it reached the back of you and caused pain"). She told me she has taken one around 9 inches when I asked her how long was the longest penis she could take before it just stopped dead inside her. She is an intelligent university student, so I imagine her judgement of inches is pretty accurate. I would imagine the 9 inch was between 8.25-9 inches. She had a boyfriend with an 8 inch and she said that was the best sex she'd ever had, but I imagine that is because she loved him and the emotional attachment. So i imagine emotions play a role in sex to a degree, but keep in mind the guy still had around an 8 inch (i imagine it was proabably around 7.5-8 inches) so that is still big.
She told me girls like watching a dick go in and out of them just as much as guys do. So a big dick would give them a very satisfying visual and mental stimulation.
She has a very tight vagina and told me she prefers them long as opposed to thick (large circumference) but I imagine her inexperience led her to that answer. In other words, I imagine, say an 8x6.5 may hurt her at first, but she would soon love it. I assume she answered this way because for her the length stimulated her more than a shorter penis of greater girth. This leads to the conclusion that each are as equally important as the other.
Another interesting note, she is pale skinned with a very pink vagina, she was saying how she'd love to see a dark black cock going inside her pale pink vagina, that it would really turn her on seeing this, so I believe the mental and visual stimulation plays a great role in why white women like black guys. Also the given that the penis will be more than adequate is also a large factor.
A bit of information of the girl to see where this information is coming from: she had been with 3 guys sexually. She seems spiritual (talked about praying), and said with her first boyfriend they did not have sex for the first 3 years. She is intelligent and is taking computer programming at university. She claimed she was doing the webcam thing for extra money for school and because he boyfriend broke up with her a week prior, so I imagine she wanted some attention from men and to feel sexy. I normally don't trust anything a woman says but something about her answers and the way she carried herself led me to believe she was being honest. I imagine she could have been playing the good girl role to entice men to pay to see her strip and finger herself etc. (it was a site where you give them "tips" and they will do things) but I told her outright that I would never pay a woman for any type of sexual favour and she continued answering questions and talking to me even after I told her that, also while still wearing clothing. She was however very candid about her answers and did not feel ashamed to speak openly about her sexuality, even though her experience is lacking.
This is just one woman's opinion, and she is probably not a cock slut, although she does have a high sexual drive. She seems to be a girl with values and I imagine the way a man treats her is probably the most important part of sex to her, probably not a woman that just wants to be used by a large cock. That being said, by the way she responded to things me and others were saying to her, I still believe she would get off from being treated like a whore during sex, but not disrespected. If that makes sense. I think that is the paradox of women.
In conclusion, her answers leave me to believe that women like her, who have values but still have high sexuality, do prefer a large penis. Her estimated 7" and up, I would probably say 6.5"-6.75" and up. She claimed to not shorter thick ones and preferred longer ones, but I imagine in time she will prefer long thick ones. I also imagine that even though she claimed that no size is too big, she would still possibly prefer a man who fills her up completely with no room to spare, but who still can get it all the way in so her pelvis can be connected with his, since she seems to be the type of woman who puts intimacy and sensuality above all. Another thing is technique is very important according to the way she answered, as well as emotional connection, and how she is treated by the man. She seemed to dismiss the 9 inch as not being the best sex she's had to talk about her boyfriend with the 8 inch who she still loved. I imagine their connection and his technique made it so she remembered him so fondly.
Keep in mind there are tons of different women in the world, I know for a fact lots of them prefer to be treated like shit, and others liek taboo sexual acts, others prefer huge sizes, and others do not care, they just want money/status. But this one taht I spoke to seemed to be the type of woman I'd prefer to be with. Open and honest about the topic but also puts emotion and connection right up there, or above it. Keep in mind all my questions were blatant scientific questions regarding size, not to do with emotions (ie - what is the longest size that would not exceed your depth? would you agree that any length beyond that is for visual and mental stimulation? (she answered yes) what size was the best sex you have had? etc)
All in all, I really learned nothing new because it makes me believe 8.5x7 - 9x7 is the superior size, but it was refreshing to hear such honesty from a stranger.
An interesting side note, when she finally revealed her privates, I could see that she was wet from all the attention guys were giving her, she enjoyed being watched, admired and spoken to like a human. I think this information could be very useful for formulating good foreplay and trying to figure out the psyche of women and distinguish the difference between sex and emotions, if there is a difference.
Hope this was useful.
 
petersouth;496651 said:
All this under the flawed premise that women can be satisfied.


I have to agree that is is very hard to keep a woman satisfied on any level. The joy they seem to feel is short lived. Things they love about us in the beginning they soon detest, I don't get them at all.
 
doublelongdaddy;496668 said:
I have to agree that is is very hard to keep a woman satisfied on any level. The joy they seem to feel is short lived. Things they love about us in the beginning they soon detest, I don't get them at all.

Maybe it's comparable to kids who grew up in the TV era have short attention spans compared to those who didn't.
The idea of sitting and being entertained without having to do anything could lead a person to get bored with somethign very quickly and have a low tolerence for boredom.
Now imagine an attractive woman. She never has to be alone. She can get sex any time she wants it. She will always have friends. She has her pick of men. Men will bend over backwards to compete for her and entertain her. Even as a child, she is used to being called a princess by her parents (more likely father) and getting things easier than if she were a boy. So basically, she is used to getting it all by just existing. So in a relationship, when the initial "fairy dust" feeling of new love wears off and reality sets in, I imagine a woman with options probably knows that it would be more exciting and easy for her to get that new love feeling back, so she goes and does that rather than stick around and become complacent.
I think the way around that is:
1. A big penis, and knowing what to do with it.
2. having a good connection with her, mutually enjoying each other's company.
That's all I can think of, lol. You basically have to be better than any other possible mate in every sense. She will stay with you for the sake of her ego.
I doubt I'll ever find a woman I can be with for life. I really can't wrap my mind around how it works, without being like LOBBS and sleeping with different people while still having a loving relationship. And that would never work for me.
Maybe they'll invent a pill that slowly lobotomizes you and causes your gonads to shrivel up, becoming useless, so you won't care about women and you can have a blast living selfish and childish, without feeling the need to have female companionship and breed.

PS - It wasn't really a post about satisfying a woman completely, just sexually. I was trying to consider some factors that would cause them to feel that sex with a man is amazing. I think the equation would be something like this:
Her emotions towards you (divided by) her hang ups/guards + your physical attractiveness X (penis size X ability to use penis) = magnitude of orgasm and overall sexual experience.
 
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petersouth;496835 said:
If she knows other girls want you she will cling to you for dear life.

Then you don't have to please her, she has to please you.

Ya I agree.
That's why Penis Enlargement is crucial in my mind. If you can fuck the shit out of her as good or better than those she's been with, she'll either tell her friends and they will likely be jealous, or women will just pick up on it by the way she treats you. And in turn be attracted to you.
It's just getting my foot in the door for the first time that I am having trouble figuring out. I don't have a social circle.
 
MikeShlort;496837 said:
Ya I agree.
That's why Penis Enlargement is crucial in my mind. If you can fuck the shit out of her as good or better than those she's been with, she'll either tell her friends and they will likely be jealous, or women will just pick up on it by the way she treats you. And in turn be attracted to you.
It's just getting my foot in the door for the first time that I am having trouble figuring out. I don't have a social circle.

That's one way to do it, if you satisfy her sexually and/or have a big dick she WILL tell her girlfriends and then they will want you and she sees this and wants you more.

Though I think at some point it all ends unfortunately no matter how hard you try. Nice while it lasts though.

I have somewhat the same problem due to being older, there just aren't very good options. Probably the best free sex I'm going to have from this point forward is banging someone's wife, it sucks but is basically a win for me because I get the pussy without dealing with the bullshit. Married women like to buy their boyfriends gifts as well.

Having a huge penis showing through your pants can help open the door if you are bold about whipping it out. That's basically my target demographic at this point, married women with sexually inadequate husbands.

I have a lot of single moms that want a relationship but I fuck them off, there's a limit to what I'll do for pussy. You are lucky if you are young enough to know eligible women at all.
 
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doublelongdaddy;496668 said:
I have to agree that is is very hard to keep a woman satisfied on any level. The joy they seem to feel is short lived. Things they love about us in the beginning they soon detest, I don't get them at all.

Yes, at some point I said screw it and started looking after myself. Here is an interesting theory that I believe explains female behavior very well.

Briffault's Law
“The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.” -- Robert Briffault, The Mothers, I, 191

Corollaries
1 - Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

2 - Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

3 - A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).
 
Lol peter. How old are you?
We share the same negative views of women.
It's true the eligible number of single women decreases with age because they are incapable of ever being alone. Single moms are funny. Especially the ones who got pregnant in their teens.
Any human that would pair up with someone to make it easier on them (ie they don't have to try as hard at life to support themselves) is a piece of shit to me.
It's funny because there are girls like that already in their early twenties.
Kinda makes it seem like there is nothing to look forward to. Hopefully it's true about younger women liking older guys and I will be able to score one someday.
 
hepcat;496856 said:
Very interesting points. Uh oh, I'm agreeing with more than one post by Mike Shlort! I guess he was half-right about me and DLD.:)



I wish I could make half a smiley face:)
 
MikeShlort;496843 said:
Lol peter. How old are you?
We share the same negative views of women.
It's true the eligible number of single women decreases with age because they are incapable of ever being alone. Single moms are funny. Especially the ones who got pregnant in their teens.
Any human that would pair up with someone to make it easier on them (ie they don't have to try as hard at life to support themselves) is a piece of shit to me.
It's funny because there are girls like that already in their early twenties.
Kinda makes it seem like there is nothing to look forward to. Hopefully it's true about younger women liking older guys and I will be able to score one someday.


I'm 38, how old are you?

The young girls like that you have more money than guys their age and are more worldly. But they expect trips, expensive dinners, etc which makes escorts a better option. Unless you still look very good western feminist culture is very ageist. If you are more than a few years older it's generally considered creepy, there will be social pressure from friends not to date unless loaded with status symbols.

I get plenty of interest from women 30 and up, single moms, divorced women, and "sex in the city" types. Mainly because I spend much of my time working or associating with coworkers and these are the women I meet. This is usually the age they decide it is time to stop whoring around with the "cool kids" and find a rich nerd or ken doll to pay for it all. You can string these whores along if you like, it's not my thing.

It's not that I can't get attraction from young girls since they can't tell my age (they always guess 25) but I'm not in the right cliques to play "young guy game" do I have the same problem you do. Besides I think like an old guy, no tattoos, conservative, don't stay out late, well dressed, I can't make the scene and don't want to.

All you have to look forward to is what you will become. You'll have tons more sexual opportunities but you'll pay for most of them in some form just like any other guy. This is why I wonder at guys that shun prostitutes and spend way more money, time and bullshit on "free" women. lol

I literally don't even talk to them unless it's during sex or work related. My best pitch is "let's fuck", whip out my dick or "how much?", that's as charming as I get. I also say riveting things like "I'm gonna cum on your tits bitch! Arrrggghhhh".
 
petersouth;496954 said:
I'm 38, how old are you?

The young girls like that you have more money than guys their age and are more worldly. But they expect trips, expensive dinners, etc which makes escorts a better option. Unless you still look very good western feminist culture is very ageist. If you are more than a few years older it's generally considered creepy, there will be social pressure from friends not to date unless loaded with status symbols.

I get plenty of interest from women 30 and up, single moms, divorced women, and "sex in the city" types. Mainly because I spend much of my time working or associating with coworkers and these are the women I meet. This is usually the age they decide it is time to stop whoring around with the "cool kids" and find a rich nerd or ken doll to pay for it all. You can string these whores along if you like, it's not my thing.

It's not that I can't get attraction from young girls since they can't tell my age (they always guess 25) but I'm not in the right cliques to play "young guy game" do I have the same problem you do. Besides I think like an old guy, no tattoos, conservative, don't stay out late, well dressed, I can't make the scene and don't want to.

All you have to look forward to is what you will become. You'll have tons more sexual opportunities but you'll pay for most of them in some form just like any other guy. This is why I wonder at guys that shun prostitutes and spend way more money, time and bullshit on "free" women. lol

I literally don't even talk to them unless it's during sex or work related. My best pitch is "let's fuck", whip out my dick or "how much?", that's as charming as I get. I also say riveting things like "I'm gonna cum on your tits bitch! Arrrggghhhh".

I'm 25, but I only really like younger girls (19-22) because they haven't turned shitty yet. Lots of girls my age either have kids, married, or are just slutty fucking stretched out cock holes that, like you say, will stop whoring around when they hit 30s and find some sucker to pay their way.

So I don't see myself ever getting a 19-22 year old because I have no friends and I don't have a good job. I am going to go back to college in a year or so (when I will be 26 or 27) but I'm not sure I'll be able to get any pussy from the 19-23 year olds, me being 26-27 at that time. What do you think my chances are?

Also, I think the main reason men won't pay a hooker is ego reasons. They'd rather chase it themselves so they can brag to their douchebag friends while they are shopping for wife beaters and spray on tan.
 
MikeShlort;496968 said:
I'm 25, but I only really like younger girls (19-22) because they haven't turned shitty yet. Lots of girls my age either have kids, married, or are just slutty fucking stretched out cock holes that, like you say, will stop whoring around when they hit 30s and find some sucker to pay their way.

So I don't see myself ever getting a 19-22 year old because I have no friends and I don't have a good job. I am going to go back to college in a year or so (when I will be 26 or 27) but I'm not sure I'll be able to get any pussy from the 19-23 year olds, me being 26-27 at that time. What do you think my chances are?

Also, I think the main reason men won't pay a hooker is ego reasons. They'd rather chase it themselves so they can brag to their douchebag friends while they are shopping for wife beaters and spray on tan.

You are a young guy and like I was at that age barking up the wrong trees, it's a common mistake.

For the 19-22 year old set it's not really about money if you want sex. In fact, it's better that you don't have much.

You need to be one of those douchebags with the wife beater, tatoos and spray on tan who can fit in at the bar. That is probably my biggest obstacle - refusing to get tattoos and conform. The other reason is that you don't have friends and I don't mean just any friends, I mean you have to fit into a subculture and gain status within that subculture. Emo, goth, biker, rocker, guido, wigger, whatever.

She needs to be able to tell her girlfriends what you are. "Yeah he looks just like that guy from Jersey shore..." or "He's in a band". You need a selling point or a marketing strategy, she can't tell her friends "he's a really nice guy, he has a good job and works hard". A minor criminal record wouldn't hurt, suspended license, multiple DUIs, minor drug dealing, if you can hook them up even better, etc. Get some street cred. lol

If don't have anything she can't judge your potential plus she has the joy of trying to extract your potential and reform you. Once you get that job at Arby's you're pegged as a wimpy loser. Now she has to explain to her friends what you do and will get reams of shit over it.

And you nailed it, the reasoning against hookers is mostly ego. Guys want the validation, it's reliving the whole trying to please mommy thing all over again but that's a dead end.

But after all this crap I wrote, I recommend that you figure out a way to make money. If you have not become a spray tan doucehbag at this point you are unlikely to do so. Ultimately I decided screw what women want, I'll just acquire currency and live by my own standards.

I'd look at some kind of lucrative trade and later possibly business instead of going into debt, college is a huge ripoff these days unless you've got a job with an oil company waiting. My .02.
 
I'm turning 29 next week and a Soph in college. It's not so bad buddy.
 
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