Official Bathmate thread: discussions, questions, bring it in

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So we newly got the Bathmates for sale here on the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], and Im getting spammed like fucking hell in my mailbox about the product.

I thought it would be a good idea to make this offical [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] thread.
This is made so we can gather together, share information, tips and tricks and of course ask questions about the product.

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Obvious answers to the obvious questions.
FAQ:

Yes, it works for Girth.

Yes, it is supposed to work for length aswell.

Yes, you can use it in the shower and in the bathtub.

No, the fake products don't work. The real [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is the only one that works.

If you stay committed it is supposed to give you gains that later on become permanent gains.

Yes, it is supposed to make you achieve harder erections.


My own knowledge so far about the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]:

After 3 weeks of use, I've seen that the gains is lasting way longer compared to when I started to use it.

A simple rubber penis ring for 1-2hrs on as light clamping after using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] works well for me. It's great and my flaccid gains stay forever and about 60-75% of the "after [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout-gains" is there aswell in an erect state.

How do I do it? I use it in my shower while putting on a nice porno to watch on my laptop to get huge and just to let the time pass while pumping like a freak. That's how I do it.
The suction is so heavy that the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is stuck on your penis even if you aren't holding onto it.

The quality is so far excellent. I got no problem at all after 3 weeks.


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I can start off with..is there anyone who got problems to get it on comfertable?

I sometimes got problems with getting it on comfertable, it feels my like balls is sucking into it so I try to stretch them out alot before using it. :/ irretating but nothing major at all tho
 
opa;357617 said:
I can start off with..is there anyone who got problems to get it on comfertable?

I sometimes got problems with getting it on comfertable, it feels my like balls is sucking into it so I try to stretch them out alot before using it. :/ irretating but nothing major at all tho
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I get that slight feeling sometimes too. It scares me how my balls feel a little colder (but this may be relatively colder because my penis is warming up).

The manual says to enter flaccid but I found that to be too hard, I have been using it at 95-100% erect.
 
hey, i never tried entering it erect, that is a GREAT idea! by the by, RUBBER BAND YOUR BALLS WHILE USING THIS, IT HELPS ALOT. i use a hair band so there is no pain, and it keeps the balls nice and low and out-of-the-way while using this thing. no need to worry about getting them sucked up in. :)
 
To me I like the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] I try to make sure that I do manual length and girth work before I use it along with some clamping. I found that the gains stay longer when I do it this way.
 
aah Great idea Stretcharmstrong! I gotta try that out today! :o

Xtremegamer, ur balls is getting cold wtf? holysmokes, never happend for me.

I managed to get a tiny scar from mine last week or so. There was a little piece of the rubber that scratched my skin a little bad. But it dissapears tho..similar thing happend to you guys?
 
Yeah this idea of useing a rubberband or something else that works like a clamp, worked for me really well several years back when I did conventional pumping for X amount of time, followed by clamping for X amount of time.

This was superb for gains and if you can go inside the pump constricted with something around your cock, than do it .. your than pumping an already enlarged unit which will become thicker and than after the pumping do the same again i.e. some clamping and rest.

Gains WILL COME ... tried and tested method.
 
Im trying with a regular penis ring after the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout session Redzulu. Do you think it's enough?
the ring looks like this:

Happy&


and for the record boys! I had an insane [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session yesterday. Im almost everytime around that 20cm mark now after 10 minutes into the session with pumping! (Im upward curved so it's hard for me to REACH that mark even though I got a 19-19.5cm long penis!)
Now 3 weeks later I got the whole routine thingy into me and it's great, Im telling yah all. The cock is filling the whole tube without any problem every session. Seriously it's a great feeling.

and oh yes.. this thingy saves me ALOT of freetime.
 
stretcharmostrong, Hahaha! What a question!

It's a regular penis-ring? You can buy it in like...every goddamn shop online? :P Mine is similar to the one on the picture. Just regular rubber.

I wear it 1-2hrs after a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session, I suppose it works as light clamping. I totaly recommand it stretcharmstrong! :)

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oh yeh, mine costed about 2 euro/3 dollars or something.
 
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Has anyone that ordered the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] from BathmateUSA received it yet? Not sure if anyone has tried to call the 800 number, but there is never a response. They put you on hold for less than 2 minutes and then a recording comes on and tells you to call back. I have called numerous times on different days and still nothing.

If anyone in the states has ordered it from BathmateUSA, the link on the first page of this post and you have received it, could you please let me know.

I am having it sent to a P.O. Box and I want to be sure its shipped in a plain box with a discreet name. I also need to know if its shipped usps. Seems like they are not very good at responding to their customers. Are they the only distributor in the states?

I want to order it from BathmateUSA so DLD gets credit for it, but I'm not to happy with the legitamacy of this company.

So if someone has one, ordered from the link, let me know how it came, it would be even sweeter if someone had one sent to a PO Box, I want to know if their going to make me sign for it.

Thanks,
Woody
 
damn guys, the majority of u guys who are thinking of ordering from [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] USA lives in the USA. Just go to a simple erotic store on the corner im sure they have it. Less problems that way. I mean u gotta have stores around yah?`:)
 
Opa, I think the point here is that most of the people on this forum want to support DLD! If you can buy it and DLD gets a percentage - that's a good thing! Mike has invested so much to build up and support his site and this forum. It's the least we can do to return the favour.
 
Opa, because of getting no answer from the company, I called three sex shops today, none of them have it in, or can get it from their reps. I think this product is fairly new to the states, and not very easy to come by.

Plus as I said before, I want DLD to gain from the sale, anyone that has a chance to support the site, should.

I'll give it a few more tries and see what happens.
 
REDZULU2003;357837 said:
Yeah this idea of useing a rubberband or something else that works like a clamp, worked for me really well several years back when I did conventional pumping for X amount of time, followed by clamping for X amount of time.

This was superb for gains and if you can go inside the pump constricted with something around your cock, than do it .. your than pumping an already enlarged unit which will become thicker and than after the pumping do the same again i.e. some clamping and rest.

Gains WILL COME ... tried and tested method.
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Haven't tried the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], but have pumped in a very warm water filled pump many many times. Works real fast. I still like to start with a tube that is maybe a half inch larger than my partially erect unit. After a half hour or so I switch to a bigger tube. But you are still going to have lots of fluid build up which means if you are planning on using your tool you are probably going to have to use a cock ring and/ or a little help like some viagra, yohimbine or the like. But it is no problem to double the girth for the short term. Long term takes quite a while and dedication.
Not to ramble too much but being new to the jelqing and stretching version of Penis Enlargement I decided to try to combine them with pumped unit. I did overdo it and had a bit of blood showing at the end of the urethra. So I have since backed off of the combo method and keep the exercises separate now with no problems and longer hang.:)
 
opa;357879 said:
stretcharmostrong, Hahaha! What a question!

It's a regular penis-ring? You can buy it in like...every goddamn shop online? :P Mine is similar to the one on the picture. Just regular rubber.

I wear it 1-2hrs after a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session, I suppose it works as light clamping. I totaly recommand it stretcharmstrong! :)

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oh yeh, mine costed about 2 euro/3 dollars or something.
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cool thanks man! well i got a cable clamp i been using the last couple days after the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and its workin great! i love the girth that stays with me pretty much all day now. well , until my next session at least! shit, i might have to try all day camping after a session soon, its comfortable enough! cheers!
 
If you could go inside this thing constricted i.e wearing a clamp, elastic band, shoe lace etc with full engorgement as you went in and started to pump.

I see major gains in girth if the correct and sensible measures are taken such as not going like a madman day in day out and doing marathon sessions ... going in the pump at full erection constricted is a very effective way to gain girth!

I think with this a clamp cant be used inside the tube, no room.
 
REDZULU2003;358064 said:
If you could go inside this thing constricted i.e wearing a clamp, elastic band, shoe lace etc with full engorgement as you went in and started to pump.

I see major gains in girth if the correct and sensible measures are taken such as not going like a madman day in day out and doing marathon sessions ... going in the pump at full erection constricted is a very effective way to gain girth!

I think with this a clamp cant be used inside the tube, no room.
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Hopefully someone will let us know if the clamp can fit in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]? I love the idea of this and the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is the next thing on my list.
 
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I ordered one last week thru [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and I received it yesterday. It took about 5-6 days to receive it. It was shipped out of Canada.(I live in Michigan) The quality of it is really good. I used it in the tub and it felt really good.
 
Good to hear. I cant wait to get mine. Did you get good expansion?

Btw... Does long term pumping increase length? I read on another forum that members mark on the pump where their original max is and see how they improve over time.

I thought pumping was only beneficial to girth work
 
Yeah, I got pretty good expansion. I didn't want to pump it too much, the first time. I hope it increases length, over time. Thats what I looking for. I already have good girth 6.25" below glands and over 6.5" at base. Also looking for larger flaccid hang.
 
Has anyone had solid permanent gains from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]? I would love to see some before and after pictures of permanent gains
 
jobin;358169 said:
Has anyone had solid permanent gains from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]? I would love to see some before and after pictures of permanent gains
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It seems to be working for almost everyone who purchases it. I requested some video from [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and hopefully we will receive that soon, I will post the second I get it.
 
doublelongdaddy;358170 said:
It seems to be working for almost everyone who purchases it. I requested some video from [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and hopefully we will receive that soon, I will post the second I get it.
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Gj DLD, looking forward for more videos.

And yeah the product itself is awesome. Im pretty sure I've gained 0,3cm in just these 3,5 weeks of use. But I wait with correct meassurements until 1,5 month of use with this product.
 
rhgunner;358164 said:
Yeah, I got pretty good expansion. I didn't want to pump it too much, the first time. I hope it increases length, over time. Thats what I looking for. I already have good girth 6.25" below glands and over 6.5" at base. Also looking for larger flaccid hang.
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wow man thats some nice girth
 
the new [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]

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HOLY SHIT! Islandboy that picture in 00:54 is SICK!
What a huge [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]! Congratz Redzulu, you are now able to gain with the new [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] I suppose! :o
 
WOW .. so thats the larger version and hence the name [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words]!

Yeah would help me as the base usually gets painfully thick when I pump, as its my thickest part anyway it can, as you can imagine become painful when squashed into the tube and I think that also causes more discolouration, fluid and distortion.
 
I've got to get the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] (but only for length, not girth). In the pump today, I was dangerously close to the end.

How many sets are people doing?

I tend to do 1 15-20 minute set x 5 days (after I jelq).
 
REDZULU2003;358213 said:
WOW .. so thats the larger version and hence the name [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words]!

Yeah would help me as the base usually gets painfully thick when I pump, as its my thickest part anyway it can, as you can imagine become painful when squashed into the tube and I think that also causes more discolouration, fluid and distortion.
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red, i am experiencing some of this same issue with the base being squashed against the rubber of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. any idea when this will be available?
 
opa;358200 said:
HOLY SHIT! Islandboy that picture in 00:54 is SICK!
What a huge [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]! Congratz Redzulu, you are now able to gain with the new [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] I suppose! :o
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lol I KNOW! you think your getting expansion with the model you got now, wait until you upgrade to that shit.
i wonder if i can just skip the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] and jump right into the X-40e?
and is it just me or is that guy in the video kinda fruity?
 
a better look at the new [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]

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IneedInches;358307 said:
does everyone approve of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] so far ? is it better than traditional pumping?
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Everyone on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] that has used the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] has had nothing but great things to say about it. I don't think you will be disappointed. The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is def. the next thing on my list.

@islandboy22 - I think your supposed to pack(fill) the first [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] before you upgrade to the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words]. This is commonly done with all sorts of pumping as well. Don't upgrade to a bigger tube till you've filled it up.
 
Whos that woman in the video? watch as she hands over the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] pump to that guy and see her fingers slowly rub down the pump .. shes loves a big cock.
 
Stretcharmstrong;
I myself got a thick base but a thinner midgirth. So I can feel myself squashed against the rubber, I got a tiny tiny scar from it but nothing major. It taught me a lesson how to put it on properly after that incident.

Islandboy:

yeh the guy is a bit fruity or just being very funny haha
 
Soooo.... has anyone correlated the safety issues on this baby yet? It seems pretty close to a standard pump IMO just a different pump method??

It sure does look the part and it sounds as it would almost feel like a [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words] lol but i would want to gauge the safety of this device prior to getting one.

Anyone know of possible dangers associated with this? Maybe i'm just paranoid because of all the crap i've read regarding pumps and longterm damage and ED.

Maybe i'm waaaay off here and this is nothing alike??

Mike on the safeside,

Peace
 
opa;358326 said:
this is nothing like a normal pump, Im sure of that, and it's safe as hell
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Really?! Well i want to believe you OPA but... ( oh the ever disconcerting BUT word ... ) Why do you say that? What can you back that up with ??

Does it not work through the exact same principle of vacuum suck? Does it not have a cylinder and an air extracting errr...PUMP ( although not as in the classic pump, you do pump the thing to extract the air do you not?

Does it not engorge the penis with blood broughtforth by vacuum? How is it different. I ask all of this because i've always been weary of pumps as the bad sides do show some ugly teeth in many who write to me regarding damage by extended constriction of blood flow and lack of oxygen, some even tell me that after only a few days the ED showd up...On classic pumps that is, i'm not saying the BA is the same, even though i don't know how it is different.

I could tell you something along the lines: "hey dude, just buy the damn ferrari already, it is safe as hell and nothing like a dragster race car. Would you be confident in my words?

Mike uninformed,

Peace
 
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8InchMIKE;358333 said:
Really?! Well i want to believe you OPA but... ( oh the ever disconcerting BUT word ... ) Why do you say that? What can you back that up with ??

Does it not work through the exact same principle of vacuum suck? Does it not have a cylinder and an air extracting errr...PUMP ( although not as in the classic pump, you do pump the thing to extract the air do you not?

Does it not engorge the penis with blood broughtforth by vacuum? How is it different. I ask all of this because i've always been weary of pumps as the bad sides do show some ugly teeth in many who write to me regarding damage by extended constriction of blood flow and lack of oxygen, some even tell me that after only a few days the ED showd up...On classic pumps that is, i'm not saying the BA is the same, even though i don't know how it is different.

I could tell you something along the lines: "hey dude, just buy the damn ferrari already, it is safe as hell and nothing like a dragster race car. Would you be confident in my words?

Mike uninformed,

Peace
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I dont need to convince you, sorry...just too much to write uuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I made this thread for one reason and one reason only, to make people ask less and instead read more.
I made a small faq, linked to their own website and a great video. On the website you can find even more info about the product and read on how it works (waterbased/hydropump btw).

So you better get going and read some! :)
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and Im adding this to the discussion for the rest:

Have anyone realized that this product is GREAT for stretching?
While standing in the shower with my upward curved cock and fully pumped and just letting the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] hanging on it, I can feel an really INTENSE stretch.

Maybe it's because Im upward curved Im able to stretch like that? It's great tho! Would work for length with no doubt.
 
I have to wait till the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] version comes out, which again comes to my last question of WTF was that bitch in the video with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X-40[/words] as she slowly moved her slutty fingers across the tube?
 
I've been pumping with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and have been getting a lot of fluid build up and the doughnut effect after the session. This initially happened after a 20 minute session. I decreased it to 15 minutes, and I still had the same fluid build up. Is the fluid build up due to the amount of time I'm in the tube or too much pressure? I mean, when I'm in the tube, I'm not really in discomfort, which is why I'd pump up the pressure more. Is there anything that I can do to eliminate the fluid build up and doughnut effect in future pumping sessions with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
turdferguson;358459 said:
I've been pumping with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and have been getting a lot of fluid build up and the doughnut effect after the session. This initially happened after a 20 minute session. I decreased it to 15 minutes, and I still had the same fluid build up. Is the fluid build up due to the amount of time I'm in the tube or too much pressure? I mean, when I'm in the tube, I'm not really in discomfort, which is why I'd pump up the pressure more. Is there anything that I can do to eliminate the fluid build up and doughnut effect in future pumping sessions with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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It's about the preassure, not the timelimit.
The donut look is something you get if you are overdoing it which actually is great. Im sure of that if you overdo it and get the donut look more often you will gain faster than if you dont have it. The look shows that you have done a good job.

The problem is that it takes 24hrs for it to dissapear but that's nothing important if you are single. Another thing if you got a partner, might look very odd then.
 
Actually the donut effect is something you do not want to aim for at all! If one sees this, they are doing it either 1] too long or 2] too much pressure and need to reduce either one or both.

A donut shape wont speed gains at all, its just fluid build-up, Lymphatic fluid the body releases when its under stress to help defend itself.

Worsecase scenerio is the donut pops, like a blister and you get infection to the region.
 
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