And Finally After Two Years>>> Vkay Gains!!!

[Vaseline_Knight]

The muscles sre TOTALLY different to blood vessels. I think this sort of comparison isn't valid. Conditioning of the muscles involves increased enzyme counts, increased neural activation, muscle co-ordination, hypertrophy etc etc. It's totally different to the coditioning of the penis which it seems is mostly the result of collagen build-up.

As a matter of fact the comparison is more valid than you might think.
The penis is made of 48% collagen and 52% smooth muscle. When we do Penis Enlargement, collagen builds up. Some of this collagen is Type I and some are Type III. I believe (not 100% sure) that Type III collagen is very tough and is formed as a part of scarr tissue formation.

Now if we Penis Enlargement to the point that collagen surpasses the 48-52 ratio, (since we're not allowing smooth muscle growth to catch up to collagen formation which is considerably quicker than muscle recovery) our body, in an attempt to keep the 48-52 ratio intact will limit collagen growth and scar tissue formed will replace existing collageneous tissue.

This I believe is why our gains come to a stop. if it wasn't the case, i think to myself, then we could make massive penises out of scarr tissue. It would be messed but there'd be account of people with very large, very inelastic penises. As we all know, this just isn't the case and gains come to a halt, needing a deconditioning break, to

a) get rid of some of the scar tissue and have it replaced with Type I collagen in the Remodeling stage of IPR (which is a process the body goes through when dealing with any trauma)

and

b) allow time for the smooth muscle to grow to accomadate the new collageneous growth.


I believe, that finding a way to just slightly stress the penis to increase collagen build up just enough not to surpass smooth muscle growth, is the holy grail to Penis Enlargement: sustained growth.

This would also explain why so many people have reported that 'less is more' and that the majority of those who spend hours a day Penis Enlargement'ing don't see as much gain as those who do much less Penis Enlargement per day.




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This damage to the blood vessels leads to reduced levels of oxygen which results in increased collagen formation. This affects the elasticity in the penis by upsetting the balance between collagen and elastin in the penis. In the penis, the ideal ratio between collagen and smooth muscle (which contains elastin) is 48% (collagen) : 52% (smooth muscle which contains elastin). When this ratio is upset by an increased proportion of collagen (i.e. a relative decrease in the proportion of elastin) the penis becomes less elastic.

http://www.vasomaxpharmacy.com/vasomax.html

In men with normal erectile function, the penis is composed of 42% to 53% smooth muscle. As men age, blood flow to the penis may decline causing the normal structure of the penis to change; smooth muscle may be replaced by fibrous tissue that cannot expand sufficiently to initiate and maintain an erection. Symptoms of erectile dysfunction typcially begin when smooth muscle in the penis falls below 42%.


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In a sports performance regime i've never seen real deconditioning used effectively, transition/active rest, yes... but never full decon.

Umm, I would strongly disagree with that. Read up on HST, there's a distinct documentation on 'Strategic Deconditioning'.

Same goes for Professional bodybuilders. After Mr. Olympia, almost every professional body builder takes a good 2 months off of any weight training.

I'm a natural bodybuilder myself and to continue growth, I take decon breaks of one-two weeks every 2 months. When I don't I find myself shrinking and plateauing instead of growing.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

Hi everyone.

I did my third hanging session today. I only went for 26 minutes at 10.5 lbs. and then did around 50 jelqs. I was going by feel. I felt a huge stretch in my ligs and shaft and felt that anything over 26 minutes would over train me..

I couldn't keep the 10% work function over the previous time I hanged, which was 10.5 lbs for 34 mins I believe. But then again I had about a week of rest from hanging and I guess a mini decon phase.

Good News:

Before my set today I measured my BPenis EnlargementL and I measured 19.3 cm, a 0.3 cm gain from my 19.0 BPenis EnlargementL measurement, of which I have posted a pic in this thread.


That's my first gain of this cycle. It's not much but it's a start.
I'll be resting completely for the next 2 days and then measure again before I hang on Sunday.


Wish me luck.

 

[millionman]

VK, That's progress but you might want to wair until the end of this cycle before you measure. Otherwise your numbers might ultimately be skewed if you have too many numbers and they're a bit all over the place. That and it might be better for your focus to not neccessarily be on the ruler but on the WORD itself. Penis Enlargement is fun and as long as it stays in that arena everything will be fine but it's very difficult when it becomes something you MUST do to feel good about yourself on a day to day basis. I know that's not really a problem for you but it can easily slip back in if we lose the focus on our true intent here.

I jumped back in today with a decent regimen to start with. I don't use a 10% guideline but I do my best to work until I feel no more give in my tunica. This for me is what I feel is fatigue. I don't try to stretch past this point, but today I probably used a combination of exercises that is too much for a first day starter routine but it seemed to do me well. I did a few SO basic stretches after sitting on my heat pad to warmup and see how my tunica was feeling. I then moved into an RB's fake arm stretch using a long handle across my legs and I performed this at a drastically upward angle. I performed tew total reps, 5 each hand, and then moved into an Upward bundled stretch for 3 reps each hand. This session was pretty remarkable in that I actually felt that although the intensity of the stretches was well above my usual first session in a cycle but it really worked out well. I'll probably add two reps every 2 days for the next 13 sessions and see where I end up.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

VK, That's progress but you might want to wair until the end of this cycle before you measure. Otherwise your numbers might ultimately be skewed if you have too many numbers and they're a bit all over the place. That and it might be better for your focus to not neccessarily be on the ruler but on the WORD itself. Penis Enlargement is fun and as long as it stays in that arena everything will be fine but it's very difficult when it becomes something you MUST do to feel good about yourself on a day to day basis. I know that's not really a problem for you but it can easily slip back in if we lose the focus on our true intent here.

I jumped back in today with a decent regimen to start with. I don't use a 10% guideline but I do my best to work until I feel no more give in my tunica. This for me is what I feel is fatigue. I don't try to stretch past this point, but today I probably used a combination of exercises that is too much for a first day starter routine but it seemed to do me well. I did a few SO basic stretches after sitting on my heat pad to warmup and see how my tunica was feeling. I then moved into an RB's fake arm stretch using a long handle across my legs and I performed this at a drastically upward angle. I performed tew total reps, 5 each hand, and then moved into an Upward bundled stretch for 3 reps each hand. This session was pretty remarkable in that I actually felt that although the intensity of the stretches was well above my usual first session in a cycle but it really worked out well. I'll probably add two reps every 2 days for the next 13 sessions and see where I end up.

I understand your point completely and perhaps it was childish of me to measure. I will be taking 2-3 days of complete rest as I feel really beat up right now.

One main difference between this cycle and the previous one is that for some reason I get fatigued much faster. As I said I've been having alot of sex the past while, which unfortunately delayed my third session. I was wearing a constricting cock ring and refrained from ejaculation 12 times. I still cannot achieve multiple orgasms, but am becomming ok at controlling and holding back. The PC muscle exercises including the one I mentioned earlier in this thread have helped alot. The sex lasted some around 95 minutes. When I finally came, I noticed some fluid build up right under the glans.

I didn't have the ring on non-stop and around every 30 minutes I took it off, for a couple of minutes to allow fresh blood to come in. Long story short, the day after I felt so fatigued, to the point of pain in my shaft and my CS/glans.

I guess that sex acted like a clamping session. Either way, I'm not sure if the sex is responsible for this fatigue or if 10.5 lbs is just too much for me, 2 days seems to be, at this point, too little recovery time. Which is why I will take the next few days off, going by the feel of it and if need be will take a third day off, or possibly a 4th day.


Again appologies for the premature measurement. In hopes of consistency, I won't measure again until the end of this cycle.


One change of mentality to note is that before, I used to have the attitude that I couldn't wait to Penis Enlargement and that days off were an absolute pain. Now, even though I still enjoy Penis Enlargement'ing, I can't wait for days off and my next decon break.? wierd.

 

[millionman]

VK, Don't even worry about it. Measuring isn't a bad thing but as I said it can become the singular focus in our mind and it can distate how we feel about Penis Enlargement and it can cause anxiety and tons of unneeded stress. I've been there many times before. I've fought the urge to measure so far into this cycle. I've made it into day 3 without measuring and I'm going to hold off until I reach the last day of this particular cycle. I can see that I've made progress but it all comes down to how much.

With this cycle I've gone a bit more towards using intense stretches at the beginning and increasing volume across the first week and then adding in a 3rd stretch starting back at the same number of repetitions that I used for the second exercise on week one. I'm not really sure how I'm going to setup the other two exercises because this could turn out to be a really long routine. I'm trying to keep everything managable as far as time is concerned. Once I have it figured out I'll post it, but at the moment I've got some ideas floating around but I'm not sure where I'm going to go with it.

 

[goldmember]

When following an IPR protocol, wouldn't you WANT to measure before each workout, to make sure you are still gaining--which would determine whether or not to move onto the P-phase???

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

When following an IPR protocol, wouldn't you WANT to measure before each workout, to make sure you are still gaining--which would determine whether or not to move onto the P-phase???

Technically yes. You should gain per session with IPR. But I guess its best to measure weekly or even biweekly to eliminate measuring inconsistancies.

The need to be at my 'largest' everytime I have sex requires me to do some minimal jelqs and some ULI's, as well as using a cock ring. I'm hoping that this will not disturb the P/R phase. I was kind of forced into a situation last night where sex couldn't be avoided. So while she was getting 'ready' in the bathroom, I had 10 minutes to myself and I did around 200 jelqs, and 20 ULI's. I noticed my Girth reaching just under 6 inches. Even though she was 'surprised' when she saw my dick, I was quite displeased with my girth.

It seems that since I'm not working girth as I used to that I'm losing some expandibility. The Same 200 jelqs and 20 ULI's would have expanded me to 6.25" a few months a go. Has anyone else experienced a fall of girth gains like this?

 

[millionman]

VK, It's one of those things that happens when you're focused on length. I've noticed something similar, since all I'm working on is length, as my girth would near the 5.75" mark consistently when I was doing mainly girth work. It's nothing to worry about and I'm sure it will return once you've hit your length goal.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

VK, It's one of those things that happens when you're focused on length. I've noticed something similar, since all I'm working on is length, as my girth would near the 5.75" mark consistently when I was doing mainly girth work. It's nothing to worry about and I'm sure it will return once you've hit your length goal.

ya but my point is, I'm planning on retiring from Penis Enlargement SOMEDAY. and it would suck to reach a certain grith after all these hours only for it to disappear.

perhaps my girth gains weren't cemented? or perhaps they weren't gains at all, just increased elasticity in the penile tissues.?

 

[millionman]

VK, That is very possible but I do think that there can be a decrease in girth as the penis gets longer. The tissue will lengthen and take away from the girth because the tissue is being pulled longer. I'd honestly not worry about it as BIB said many times that once you've reached your length goal then girth is actually easier to gain because the fibers are stretched longer and by that point the matrix is thinned out so it won't take as long.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

VK, That is very possible but I do think that there can be a decrease in girth as the penis gets longer. The tissue will lengthen and take away from the girth because the tissue is being pulled longer. I'd honestly not worry about it as BIB said many times that once you've reached your length goal then girth is actually easier to gain because the fibers are stretched longer and by that point the matrix is thinned out so it won't take as long.

can you elaborate on that?

 

[goldmember]

Technically yes. You should gain per session with IPR. But I guess its best to measure weekly or even biweekly to eliminate measuring inconsistancies.

I would say at least every other session you should measure...otherwise, say you measure a 0.375" increase after two weeks, but who's to say which sessions those gains came from? It could have been all in the first two sessions.

 

[millionman]

VK, As I understand it the penis is surrounded by what appears to be a web of tissues that forms a matrix, multiple layers over the top of the other in a crossing pattern. When this is stretched the tissue deforms but it does not resume the same dense thickness because the layers are stretched more thinly. That would mean that when lateral pressure is applied there would be more give in the tissues in that direction. That's my understanding of that theory but I'm not 100% sure it's valid but it makes a ton of sense with consideration to how tissue regenerates and what happens when force is exerted on any material this pheomena can be seen.

GM, I don't really think it matters which session is giving gains. It would matter if one session was greatly different from the day before but if the days are consistently the same there is no need to constantly measure. There might be some difference in growth effect from Day 1 to say Day 13 but this would be an appropriate measuring window. Overall if you adhere to the 10% increase session to session then progress should be fairly consistent.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

i did my 4th session today.
Unfortunately, I cant go longer than 25 mins at 10.5 lbs.. so i have no met the required 10% overload during the past two sessions.

I meausered today and on a best attempt could get the same 19.3 measurement, maybe slightly higher, (19.35 :blush: ). Anyways, I did two sets, first one 10 minutes, second one 15 minutes.

i did some dry jelqs and that was it for today.

 

[millionman]

VK, If you're not meeting the 10% why don't you supplement with manuals? Are you using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] post session?

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

VK, If you're not meeting the 10% why don't you supplement with manuals? Are you using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] post session?

Maybe I should. That's a very good Idea
Have the same 25 minute hang time and then add manuals and increase the Manuals by 10% each time. Very good idea.


And I wear a cushion post session, as an ADC to keep me a lil engorged and not permit retraction. I Don't have a comfortable alternative for an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] that I can discretely wear.

 

[millionman]

Have you thought of getting a vac-extender? It's really not noticeable and is really easy to wear. I got in 8 hrs wear time yesterday and I am amazed at my flaccid size improvement since getting it. It's really been a huge help in this pursuit recently.

 

[goldmember]

GM, I don't really think it matters which session is giving gains. It would matter if one session was greatly different from the day before but if the days are consistently the same there is no need to constantly measure. There might be some difference in growth effect from Day 1 to say Day 13 but this would be an appropriate measuring window. Overall if you adhere to the 10% increase session to session then progress should be fairly consistent.

Is this a universal rule of physics that Newton never revealed? rofl

I wouldn't bank on that always holding true; I plan on measuring before each session.

 

[millionman]

It's not meant to be a universal law or even a theory. It's actually meant as a way to chart progress without being obsessive. If you feel the need to measure each and every session then by all means go ahead. There should be very little difference between measurements from session to session but over the course of two weeks there should be significant progress. The only times that I see any significant difference in measurements is my pre and post cycle measurements and the one rested measurement I take in the middle of my 7-14 days off. These 3 measurements usually prove to be the only numbers that really mean anything.

 

[Vaseline_Knight]

My dear Penis Enlargement'ers.

I regret to inform those who follow this thread, that my second IPR cycle didn't yield much of a result. I seem to be fluctuating between 19.0 and 19.5 cm, but the increase in length is not steadily there. I have also measured some days slightly below 19.0 at 18.8 cm but that's much more rare than measuring 19.3-4. Still, I do not consider them gains, and merely erection fluctuations or perhaps measuring inconsistancies.


Measuring the Unmeasurables



So let's go back and compare this cycle to the last and try to understand why a 2 week period of time yielded 0.8 cm and another 2 week period did not, considering both had about a month of deconditioning to back them up.

Well there are a number of reasons why I failed.


Deconditioning

When I deconditioned for my first cycle, I was applying around an hour of heat everyday. I understand heat is bad for temporary sperm production, but sperm count is the least of my worries at the time.


Right after my exams in mid december, i had to go serve for three weeks in the army. There was an extreme amount of mental and physical pressure on me, not to mention not being able to do my heat treatments.


Conclusion: I'm guessing heat lets you decondition faster and perhaps helps to get rid of the built up scarr tissue.


Health

I got extremely sick, with a very potent flu, and am just now recovering from it. Sickness might have somehow stunned growth? I was sick throught my I phase, and my sleep wasn't that regular.



Routine

I failed at two things during this cycle. As I mentioned, due to comfort issues, I was unable to keep increasing the load by 10% everytime.

As well, due to the same comfort issues, and illness, I was unable to [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] after hanging.


Conclusion: It's not the hanging that makes you grow unlike what I had believed. It's the ADSing afterwards that promotes growth. I do not have a good [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and will try to get a good one for my next cycle. The increased 10% workload everytime makes sure that the tissues don't adapt to the stress and hence is another very imprtant aspect.



Other factors

Again, due to many sex 'oppurtinities' that I had, i was unable to attain seminal retention and I sincerely believe this hindered my gains.


What I also noticed, is that every morning I've been having painful priapism, which disappeared when I deconed and didn't see in the first cycle.

I'm assuming the priapism is my body's way of telling me that there was too much stress applied.



I doubt I will do the P-phase as I dont have a decent [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. I'm probably just gonna just decondition soon, and get back to it for my third cycle hopefully with gains this time. I will be using heat and DMSO to decondition.