DHT Gel

gimmegirth said:

http://www.secure-sales.org.uk/clini...rone-gel.shtml

Is it andractim gel your using??

Is this where you ordered it from Frontier? rhgunner where did you order yours from.

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Consult link...

http://www.allsaintsclinic.org/testosterone-gel.shtml

That is the place I purchased mine from. You get two tubes the size of toothpaste and a test which I promptly threw away.

I wash my hands immediately afterwards. So far no issues with hair lose... Nothing in the brush...

Very interesting idea about the clamp and applying the gel. I wonder... However, I think though once it enters the blood stream it goes everywhere... I just might have to exp with it... Thanks for the idea...

I did order mine from that site(all saints clinic). I ordered it on last thursday and they said it should be here between 5-10 days. I will keep you guys posted.

Did you have to give them an exuse for ordering it?

I'm going to order some for when I get back to Uni on the 14th.

I'm still trying to think of the best way to use it with Penis Enlargement... I believe the theory behind the IPR protocol, and it has worked for me with length. I'm not sure about girth and am worried about collegen build-up because of lack of rest.

gimmegirth said:

Did you have to give them an exuse for ordering it?

I'm going to order some for when I get back to Uni on the 14th.

I'm still trying to think of the best way to use it with Penis Enlargement... I believe the theory behind the IPR protocol, and it has worked for me with length. I'm not sure about girth and am worried about collegen build-up because of lack of rest.

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i am in a similar predicament. im currently on a decon in prep for an IPR round for length. i will be buying the gel on the 15th (loan date ) but im not sure whether to use it continuously or to stop using it when i decon next time?

You can order it for hormone replacement therapy(if over 45yrs. old) or if you have Gyno(bitch tits) I said I had Gyno.

EVO said:

i am in a similar predicament. im currently on a decon in prep for an IPR round for length. i will be buying the gel on the 15th (loan date ) but im not sure whether to use it continuously or to stop using it when i decon next time?

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LOL, my loans through on 15th to .
I don't fancy applying the gel after girth work because fluid built-up might hold some of the DHT. I'm interested in applying it clamped though.
I'm also not sure whether application of androgens down-regulates androgen receptors... whether you could use it for short periods or long periods. You seem to have seen some accounts of people using it continuously, could you fill me in?
I'd also like to try the same method as frontiere because of his fantastic gains.
I'm thinking of maybe doing light length and girth cycles using the opposing cycle as proliferation and resting a little but still applying the gel... the gel alone should cause growth.
I'll moniter growth closely and if any platuea's are reached I'll have to think again... prob. decon break... it sounds as if the gel last a long time, and I'm not sure about having elevated DHT levels for such a prolonged period.

the only studies i know about are the ones posted in this thread. a reason for not cycling the gel would be that the studies used it continous for 3-4 months, also in similar cases hormones have an accumalative effect, depending on how long they take to break down. (not sure about dht). well since frontierxe has had really good gains in just 1 month, i think i will be doing an extended version of IPR so 1 month in I phase, 2 weeks in R phase (with gel) then 6 weeks off (havent decided whether or not to use the gel here, if i do and dont gain then it will be a waste. also it could affect my R phase. if i dont use it i could be missing out on some gains, but then it will last me twice as long for when im actively Penis Enlargementing). hHydromaxmm...
this is speculation however, if i get to 1 month of IPR and im still gaining, then i may keep going until my gains slow down.

Yeah, it's going to take some thought and close monitoring. I'm wondering if more DHT would remain in the penis for longer if applied flaccid rather than erect ... less blood flow to take it around the body: Frontiers large gains were made applying it in the flaccid stretched state, when applying it without the extender were you erect frontier?? I imagine that when applied to treat micro-penis the subject is flaccid. I think it's the fact that the DHT is elevated inthe penis rather than the blood-stream that causes gains, many men with certain medical conditions apply this to the skin of the upper-body, and although increasing erection quality I've havn't heard of size gains when applied in this way.
As Frontier has made good gains I think it would be logical to try a similar routine and application method, monitor growth closely and then maybe experiment if growth slows alot. I think I'd definately ANC when using it to take advantage of those noctural eractions and to try and trap DHT in there longer... if DHT does 'hang-around' inside a flaccid penis then I expect the bloodflow of an erection would then send it round the body, so it the erection is constricted slighty to limit outflow and optimise growth.

hHydromaxmm, i saw it diffently to you i think. i was planning on applying it erect, since the chambers are already filled up with blood, then once the gel is applied it would have access to all the expanded cells. expanded cells = greater surface area for detection by the receptors. an erection means there is more blood flow in as well as out, but is maintained because the inflow of blood is more than the outflow. it probably doesnt make that much difference, i do think a constriction device would be helpful though!!

EVO said:

hHydromaxmm, i saw it diffently to you i think. i was planning on applying it erect, since the chambers are already filled up with blood, then once the gel is applied it would have access to all the expanded cells. expanded cells = greater surface area for detection by the receptors. an erection means there is more blood flow in as well as out, but is maintained because the inflow of blood is more than the outflow. it probably doesnt make that much difference, i do think a constriction device would be helpful though!!

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I agree with you and would apply it erect... i believe that this is how magnumforce did it.

When I am in the stretcher is when I apply it. When I can't use the stretcher for the day I usually apply it right after I get out of the shower.

What is outstanding is that others are trying it and in different ways this means we can see a large aspect of how we could potentially use this stuff.

Question for those that have ordered it, what quantity are you going to use it at? How much applied and will you try it twice a day?

i was thinking of applying it twice daily since studies show that it peaks within 2-8 hours. (once before bed). was planning to use a total of 1.5g / day.
assuming im 100kg, 0.3mg/kg (effective dosage in studies) would be needed which makes total volume of gel to be added = 1.2g.
although i am aware that the patients in those studies did suffer abnormal hormonal levels, and im not sure how much we can actually compare to that...

EVO,

You still using Enlargo? Any good?

i stopped using it because i got used to the pump it gave me. for the first week or two it really filled up the cc chambers, but after that it just felt like a normal erection so i stopped it... will probably use it when i start IPR again
i suppose for the price it may be worth getting, i was applying it like 3-4 times a day and still got some left. better than shelling out $40 for pills!!.

hey gold, wanted to ask you something. im going to be buying some more herbs, but some sites recommend taking ALOT. e.g horny goat weed, previously i was taking 500 mg, but now you can get it at like 3000mg. sililar thing with yohimbe, was taking 500mg, now selling at 1200mg. any idea it its "safe" to take these high dosages? and also would taking 3000mg of 40% saponins of tribulus be the same as taking 1500mg of 80% saponins?

A tribulus and ZMA stack worked well for my test. levels... felt confident and quite aggressive, got more erections. Was nothing drastic though.

I was thinking of using it twice a day. I haven't decided yet. I have some time to decide because I'm still waiting for my order. I hope to get it by early next week. How long do you have to wait after applying DHT gel to have sex? How long does it stay on top of your skin? Do I wash my penis before sex?
What effects would it have on a women?

EVO said:

i stopped using it because i got used to the pump it gave me. for the first week or two it really filled up the cc chambers, but after that it just felt like a normal erection so i stopped it... will probably use it when i start IPR again
i suppose for the price it may be worth getting, i was applying it like 3-4 times a day and still got some left. better than shelling out $40 for pills!!.

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How did it affect your flaccid though?

EVO said:

hey gold, wanted to ask you something. im going to be buying some more herbs, but some sites recommend taking ALOT. e.g horny goat weed, previously i was taking 500 mg, but now you can get it at like 3000mg. sililar thing with yohimbe, was taking 500mg, now selling at 1200mg. any idea it its "safe" to take these high dosages? and also would taking 3000mg of 40% saponins of tribulus be the same as taking 1500mg of 80% saponins?

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I wouldn't exceed 1000mg (10% icariin) with horny goat weed, and I avoid yohimbe all together. You can take your chances with that if you'd like, but I never thought those herbs had any place in Penis Enlargement. Horny goat weed is alright if you've got low libido, but other than that, it's pretty much worthless. The tribulus can be halved if the saponins are doubled, like you said. Again, unless your test levels are low, I wouldn't bother with tribulus either.

Since you will be applying DHT, you won't have a problem with test levels OR libido. I would save your money for something more fun/worthwhile.

goldmember said:

How did it affect your flaccid though?


I wouldn't exceed 1000mg (10% icariin) with horny goat weed, and I avoid yohimbe all together. You can take your chances with that if you'd like, but I never thought those herbs had any place in Penis Enlargement. Horny goat weed is alright if you've got low libido, but other than that, it's pretty much worthless. The tribulus can be halved if the saponins are doubled, like you said. Again, unless your test levels are low, I wouldn't bother with tribulus either.

Since you will be applying DHT, you won't have a problem with test levels OR libido. I would save your money for something more fun/worthwhile.

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ok thanks. i really only want it to increase blood flow. but like you said the dht will probably do alot of that...

the enlargo cream has a sort of menthol effect on your skin, making it feel refreshed and also increases blood flow. i dont think it made my flaccid that much longer, but definitely thicker.

EVO said:

ok thanks. i really only want it to increase blood flow. but like you said the dht will probably do alot of that...

the enlargo cream has a sort of menthol effect on your skin, making it feel refreshed and also increases blood flow. i dont think it made my flaccid that much longer, but definitely thicker.

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No to get too much off the topic of DHT, but...

I thought the active ingredients in Enlargo were methyl salicycate and capsaicin. Those have the OPPOSITE effect of menthol, which cools/soothes skin, whereas the former make the skin feel like it is burning. Does it also contain menthol? Does it list concentrations of the ingredients (5% methyl salicycate, 0.001% capsaicin, 3% menthol, etc.)?

it is like a mild burning, although so mild it feels like when you use menthol. i dont know how to describe it better sorry