HCG Experiment

Careful with high dosages of hCG for too long, it can desensitize your leydig cells, also I'd consider doing Test E for no shorter than 10 weeks, 14 being max, seeing as the compound starts to activate around week 5-6. Also, you should add in some hMG along with your hCG for balanced FSH levels and overall improved hormone regulation and wellness. One last thing, using hCG alone without Test as a base can be slightly suppressive of your HPTA, so I wouldn't advise it unless you suffer from clinical hypogonadism related to naturally low LH production. Good luck and read some more before fucking with your hormones, it can do more harm than good
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Your advice was taken in. I don't intend to go o HCG longer than 4 weeks to start with, @2500iu max per week. I did look into Hmg but its expensive as hell... Still waiting on the HGH but because its from a reliable source it'll be worth the wait as I know I'll be getting the real deal.

I disagree, the test E will suppress the HPTA, the HCG supports it. The leydig cells can become desensitized after extended exposure, however. I think Ultra may have hypogonadism, I think he had his levels checked at one point, correct me if I'm wrong Ultra.
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Haven't been diagnosed as having clinical hypogonadism per se. But The signs have always been there -- Delayed and incomplete puberty:

-Have a very youthful appearance (turning 25 soon but can pass for an 18 yr old)
-Impaired growth of the penis and testicles (would say between stages 3-4 of the tanner stages)
-Some lack of deepening of the voice

It's obvious that I've had Low levels of T (possibly from a direct consequence of low production of LH?) during puberty. That or i'd be strongly inclined to believe the problem could be in a partial deficiency of the convertion of T to DHT.
 
Ultra;571006 said:
Your advice was taken in. I don't intend to go o HCG longer than 4 weeks to start with, @2500iu max per week. I did look into Hmg but its expensive as hell... Still waiting on the HGH but because its from a reliable source it'll be worth the wait as I know I'll be getting the real deal.



Haven't been diagnosed as having clinical hypogonadism per se. But The signs have always been there -- Delayed and incomplete puberty:

-Have a very youthful appearance (turning 25 soon but can pass for an 18 yr old)
-Impaired growth of the penis and testicles (would say between stages 3-4 of the tanner stages)
-Some lack of deepening of the voice

It's obvious that I've had Low levels of T (possibly from a direct consequence of low production of LH?) during puberty. That or i'd be strongly inclined to believe the problem could be in a partial deficiency of the convertion of T to DHT.
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For HGH it will only work in a spray under your tongue or in needle form. Be careful not to take too much hgh as could cause diabetes and other unwanted effects down the road. Make sure your hgh level has been checked and that you dont over do it. cheers
 
Ultra;571006 said:
Your advice was taken in. I don't intend to go o HCG longer than 4 weeks to start with, @2500iu max per week. I did look into Hmg but its expensive as hell... Still waiting on the HGH but because its from a reliable source it'll be worth the wait as I know I'll be getting the real deal.



Haven't been diagnosed as having clinical hypogonadism per se. But The signs have always been there -- Delayed and incomplete puberty:

-Have a very youthful appearance (turning 25 soon but can pass for an 18 yr old)
-Impaired growth of the penis and testicles (would say between stages 3-4 of the tanner stages)
-Some lack of deepening of the voice

It's obvious that I've had Low levels of T (possibly from a direct consequence of low production of LH?) during puberty. That or i'd be strongly inclined to believe the problem could be in a partial deficiency of the convertion of T to DHT.
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For HGH it will only work in a spray under your tongue or in needle form. Be careful not to take too much hgh as could cause bloated stomach and other unwanted effects down the road. Make sure your hgh level has been checked and that you don't over dose youself. cheers
 
Thought that the doctor ordered a full hormone panel (FSH ,LH, free T, serum T etc) but that wasn't the case. It got a lot of info on my kidney functions and what not and the only significant hormone on it was my serum T @ 33.3 nmol/L [9.3-34.5].

For the more knowledgeable minds on the subject, would this alone indicate I don't have hypogonadism? Could the issue be in my conversion of T into DHT or/and a problem with growth hormone?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/puBathmateed/6406387

The response of genital and gonadal growth during the first year of treatment with human growth hormone (hGH) was studied in 20 boys with isolated growth hormone deficiency (IGHD) (11 of hereditary origin and 9 sporadic cases). Prior to hGH treatment, 13 of the 15 prepubertal boys had a penis length below the normal mean, 3 of which were more than 2 SDS below the mean. The boys with hereditary IGHD had a greater deficit in penile size than did the sporadic cases. hGH treatment improved the penile length in all but two boys aged 14 and 15 yr, and led to growth up to normal size in the three boys with very small penises. Three of the hereditary IGHD patients had subnormal testes and all of the other prepubertal boys had a testicular volume in the normal range. hGH treatment increased testicular size, particularly in the prepubertal boys. Of three additional untreated adults with IGHD, one had a subnormal-size penis and two had penises of low-normal size. Our findings constitute further evidence that hGH deficiency is associated with decreased penile growth and, to some extent, decreased testicular size, and that hHG treatment improves the growth of the genitalia and gonads. Since these effects were also observed in prepuberty, it seems that not all the hGH or, rather, somatomedin effect on sex organs is androgen mediated.
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Wondering where to go from here. With dht gel, hcg and hgh I should be covering all bases for a careful, conducted experiment. I need to get myself right!
 
IM not sure myself maybe someone else could shed some light as Im not a expert. But I believe it could be the conversion of T into DHT or/and a problem with growth hormone. Like I said try to get your HGH levels tested so you can take a accurate dose.And I couldn't see dht gel, hcg and hgh being a problem as long as your careful and don't drink liquor or do or take any kind of drugs that could affect what your taking (perscription or not unless told so by a expert).I would eat a healthy diet with some flaxseed grounded up and doing Penis Enlargement exercises with this treatment as well as I don't think you'd see much gains if any without any Penis Enlargement Best of luck!
 
Cheers GirthGains, I've been doing my research on hGH and been lurking around bodybuilding forums. There's a few threads of guys who claim to have grown a bit after their cycle and or with hgh. It only seems to happen to a very few, but i suspect it does happen to those who didn't quite got every bit of growth that their genetic make up had for them.

Got my HCG delivered and refrigerated. Waiting on the HGH and the RU hair solution... When all supplies are here will make a decision on what protocol to follow.

Andractim + HGH could be my first approach.
 
good stuff this sounds exciting! keep us posted! keep in mind to use hgh and stuff before any of it goes bad as I believe hgh degrades rather quickly if I remember correctly
 
Look at SHBG Levels to see where you might be in regards to Free T and also check your prolactin levels. And yes hCG without test can be slightly suppressive on its own to the HPTA.
 
pokure;572414 said:
Ultra how is your experiment going
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Yesterday marked 1 week on:

3iu HGH 6on 1 off
2.5 g DHT gel (x2 weekdays; x1 weekends)

Nothing to report for the time being apart from a slight increase in libido and tingling sensation in the knees from the HGH. Didn't expect much to happen since all the studies I've seen, the results were taken after 8-16 weeks, but more importantly 1. they were mostly done on pubertal or pre-pubertal children so their androgen receptors are pretty sensitive to dht, 2. I'm using 2.5% dht gel, 3. Its said that transdermal gels have a 10% absortion rate...

I'm hoping to be on this protocol for 4 to 8 unless I have any adverse affects. More to report in a few weeks i guess.
 
UPDATE 2

Monday marked 2 full weeks on the protocol - 3iu HGH & 2.5g dht gel twice a day. My libido is slightly up and flaccid hangs a bit fuller, I also feel my erect girth has increased a little but that could be wishful thinking. I will only take measurements at 1 month mark. No hair loss noticeable as of yet.

I believe that at 2.5% concentration, the gel is not that strong to see any quick changes. So patience could be key here.
 
good stuff sounds like your doing good to forget to do erect girth and length measurements before to compare. lol
 
GirthGains;573157 said:
good stuff sounds like your doing good to forget to do erect girth and length measurements before to compare. lol
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Measurements were taken and so were before pictures.
 
Hey man just a tip If it were me I would take HCG after any testosterone or DHT treatments to help reboot the natural release of testosterone from the balls. As I read were bodybuilders take HCG after a steroid cycle as you are aware. And HCG in some studys seem to be effective in penis growth with people with micro penis as your probably aware as well.
 
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3214853/

hCG (1,500-2,000 IU) was administrated intramuscularly, 3 times per week, for 8 weeks. Basic laboratory and hormonal indexes (including serum testosterone and LH levels), penis length (flaccid and stretched), and testicular volume were measured before and 24 weeks after hCG treatment. The patients' mean age was 18.9 years (range, 12 to 24 years). this may be a little extreme but they got results. there must be something to take to block any estrogenic effects. If it was me after the HCG treatment I then would get some tongkat ali, a natural herb that stimulates the leydig cells to produce testosterone and take that along with Milk thistle to help protect and stimulate the liver to work good.which should also help in penis growth. and should help bring the body to a more stable and natural state just to make sure. The problem to figure out here is what to take with HCG and is there a effective way to take it prolonged and counteract the side effects. Or maybe it would be better to stick to 2 months on HCG and cycle between a reliable tongkat ali source and HCG. seems like a good way for you to get gains.
 
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Its has been just over a month. On my second tube of the stuff.

Not much happened since last update. I must say though that i find the gel weaker than expected, at 2.5% it could take 3-4 months to see any growth:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/puBathmateed/11910204

Peak DHT concentrations were attained within 2-8 h after application of the gel and subsequently remained within the normal adult range in all but 1 patient, who had received the lowest dose of 0.15 mg/kg. An increase in phallic growth, ranging from 0.5-2.0 cm, was achieved after 3-4 months of treatment in all patients whose DHT concentrations were maintained within adult range.
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On this study the subjects were all children (with micropenis), whose androgen receptors would have been pretty sensitive to the DHT. Least to say I'm not expecting any miracles here.

However if I was to highlight the good and the bad from the experiment I would say:

Positives - flaccid hangs fuller and lower, erections are strong although my erection quality always been good.
Negatives - the gel contains alcohol which leaves my skin dry, 2.5% seems weak to the purpose of the experiment

Also must add that I've experienced no hair loss visible so far. I will continue with my second tube and will not take any measurements yet as I don't think much has changed (perhaps a tiny bit of width). Will have to purchase another couple of tubes to last me around the 3-4 month mark.

Ultra
 
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