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Hey guys, I was gone for quite some time due to having some problems I needed to sort out. I still do, but now I can get to spend some time with you, my brothers. I see that while I was abcent- the forum went really active and we got a lot of new brothers, got some old ones (quality ones) back and raised the activity 10fold! This is great. I see lots of threads where people report gains, show off new exercises and stuff, which is really cool, but I believe this part of PE has been misregarded a bit lately. Through some research on this I found some useful information that I believe can help us all on our jorney to becoming better men.
Pelvic Floor Balance is really important. We all know how important kegels are for out PE and yes they are! We do them all the time in our pursue to develop stronget PC muscles and improve vascularity to our penises and therefore get better PE sessions. But, it seems like too much is not really good.
If you develop too strong of a PC muscle through kegeling a lot- you can leave yourself with Premature Ejaculation problems. This is due to the fact that too strong PC muscles can lead to excess involuntrary contractions during sex (which we already discussed in other threads is not a good thing to do if you have Pre-E problems). These can be controlled during sex/masturbation, but they require some training and a lot of hard work to be controlled. So it seems like there is something as "too much kegels".
Now on the other hand- having a weak PC muscle can lead to poor penile vascularity (bad EQ), weaker orgasms, poor penile health etc. And none of us actually want that. In order to avoid this we need to exercise our Pelvic Floor. But when we do- we need to give it a good workout and not do too little...
So there is too much and there is too little kegeling. But that is not all- there is specification in the imbalance as well. These specifications can be cured with front kegels, back kegels, front reverse kegels and back reverse kegels.
The symptoms of an unbalanced PC musles are:
-Premature Ejaculation can be a result of over-tense PC msucles leading to too much (and too strong) involuntary Pelvic Floor contractions.
-Delayed Ejaculation where PC muscles are too weak to contract (though this is rarely a problem, most PC muscles are strong enough to contract good during sex).
-Hard Flaccid.
-Some men have reported loss of libido due to overdoing their reverse kegels and therefore causing imbalance.
-Difficulty urinating or defecating due to overtense Pelvic Floor muscles.
-Poor EQ (especially when muscles are too weak).
The symptoms of a balanced PC muscles are:
-Normal flaccid.
-Good libido.
-High EQ.
-No difficulty urinating or defecating.
-You are able to last as long as you want (assuming you do not suffer mental overstimulation).
-You can choose when to let involuntary kegels occur and any ones that do occur can be easily stopped if you so choose.
If you have somewhat tense PC muscles- you should start doing a Kegel-Reverse kegel ratio of 40-60%, 30-70% (and so on depending on how severe your tension actually is). Since kegels flex the muslces and Reverse kegels unflex it- it would be a solution to "unflex" it more to treat your tense Pelvic Floor.
And if your PC muscle is too weak- start "flexing" more doing more Kegels than Reverse Kegels in a ratio of 60-40%, 70-30%- depending on how weak the muslces are.
Front Reverse Kegels
Front reverse kegels target and isolate your BC muscle, this is the muscle that wraps around the inner part of the penis and causes involuntary contractions. A front reverse kegel will stretch and loosen the BC muscle from around the inner part of your penis (the bulb) allowing better blood flow in and out of the penis as opposed to a regular kegel with will pump more blood into the penis and trap it there by contracting around the inner part of the penis.
Remember those contractions aren’t a bad thing, they occur for a purpose. That being to expel ejaculate and urine at force out of the urethral canal.
But due to factors like bad marturbation habits and overstimulation to things like hardcore ���� as well as other factors can lead to an unbalance pelvic floor. This causes involuntary contractions to happen more frequently than they should, sometimes continuously. Speeding your way to the PONR a lot quicker than you’d like rather than the natural progression to the PONR you would have if you had a balanced pelvic floor.
That's why it's important to isolate the muscles so that you decide when to let those contractions occur making you cum or using a front reverse kegel to stretch and relax your BC muscle pushing back the PONR.
This is why I always recommend to those with premature ejaculation to start by learning to isolate their BC muscle with front reverse kegels.
Back Reverse Kegels
Back reverse kegels target your PC and IC muscles. This exercise is good if the back of your pelvic floor is tense. This area is rarely as out of balance as the front due to the fact that most people who are overtraining do so with the front and therefore don’t need as much attention as the front to begin with.
When you’ve successfully isolated front reverse kegels and brought balance to that area by gaining control over your involuntary contractions you might want to learn to have DO’s or MMO’s and to do that you will need to strengthen the whole of your pelvic floor by doing both front and back regular kegels.
It’s then that back reverse kegels will become more important. Because as you work the back of your pelvic floor with back kegels it’s going to tense up so you’ll need to be able to reverse back kegel in order to stretch and relax that area of your pelvic floor so that your muscles remain flexible.
Here is a link to a picture that shows the BC, PC and IC muscles and there location in a man and a woman.
http://yuanadesukma.files.wordpress....-and-woman.png
It’s often described that some people find reverse kegels are harder to do because there kegels are stronger than their reverse kegels and I believe this has a part to play in leading some to think that reverse kegels are a strengthening exercise when there really a stretching exercise.
So I’d like to clear that up. When someone says this what is really meant is that your ability and control of your reverse kegels is not yet advanced enough to successfully counter the contractions from your pelvic floor muscles.
What it doesn’t mean is there is two opposing muscles where one is weaker than the other rendering them out of balance like the bicep and the tricep for example.
PISS, FART AND DEFECATE
You’ll often be told that to identify the area you want to stretch that a front reverse kegel feels like you’re taking a piss and that a back reverse kegel is like farting or defecating.
NOTE: When people describe it in those terms there doing it so you get a general idea of what each one feels like and the muscles you should be targeting. When actually doing the exercises you shouldn't actually feel like you're about to pee, fart or defecate. If you do then you're pushing too hard.
BREATHING
Keep breathing, it may seem obvious but the fact is that some people hold their breath when doing reverse kegels and normal kegels for that matter. When you hold your breath you cause tension in your body and that is counter productive in doing these exercises. So I’ll say it again, Keep breathing.
Whether that’s regular light breathing or deep breathing from your diaphragm just make sure you don’t hold your breath.
Reverse Kegel Breathing (Meditative Reverse Kegels)
TIPS TO HELP ISOLATION
When trying each exercise some find them easier on their back to start with while some find it easier to stand. So experiment to find what’s best for you.
Slowly do a light front kegel then reverse it into a light front reverse kegel so that feel the difference between the pull and the push of the two different exercises in that targeted area. You can do the same for back kegels as well.
When doing front kegels you can use your diaphragm to help with the stretch by pushing it out but when doing this keep your abs relaxed
When doing reverse kegel if you feel around the base of your penis and your perineum the muscles should be relaxed and loose, there should not be any tension. You can do a light kegel then reverse kegel to feel the difference with your fingers.
Keep your back straight whether you’re laying down or standing.
WHAT NOT TO DO
Do not push too hard
Do not strain yourself
Do not hold your breath
Do not reverse kegel while doing any exercise that engages your core. (sex being the exception to the rule)
HOW TO REVERSE KEGEL
I've already said that reverse kegels aren't a strength exercise so your body should not be tense when doing them so that's what you need to work on first, letting your muscles relax while doing them.
These exercises can be difficult for someone who has never done them before especially if you have a very tight pelvic floor so be patient with yourself if you don’t feel like you’re doing them straight away and keep practicing the exercises as described while paying close attention to your body specifically the area you’re trying to work and you’ll find them easier in time as your ability improves as well as being able to feel the subtle movements in the area you’re focusing on.
Front reverse kegel
Level - beginner / Force - Light to firm
Done at flaccid or 30-40% engorged
Find the position that’s right for you be that laying down or standing up
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your penile area and your pelvic floor.
Focus on pushing out the muscle at the base of your penis (where your penis meets your body) while keeping the rest of the pelvic area as relaxed as possible. It can help to visualize the muscle expand like a balloon. This can cause your penis fill with blood giving you a flushed flaccid.
Aim to hold this for 10 sec. To start with you may find that hard so try 5 sec or 3 and work your way up. For however long you hold the stretch allow the same time to rest between reps. The force should be between light and firm. You should never be straining yourself, if you are then you're pushing too hard.
Repeat the above for 10 min. When you become more advanced you can increase the time and the length of the holds
Once you’ve mastered this exercise in one position you’ll then be able to do it in others until you’re able to do them while moving around barely even having to concentrating on doing them.
Back reverse kegel
Level - beginner / Force - Light to firm
Done at flaccid or 30-40% engorged
Again find the best position for you but for this one I recommend standing because it’s just easier.
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your pelvic floor.
Now focus on your perineum just in front of your bum hole and push down and slightly back. If it helps you can imagine a piece of string or something similar attached to that same part of you and imagine it being pulled down and back. The force light to firm just as before, you should never be straining yourself.
Aim to hold this for 10 sec. To start with you may find that hard so try 5 sec or 3 and work your way up. For however long you hold the stretch allow the same time to rest between reps.
Repeat the above for 10 min. When you become more advanced you can increase the time and the length of the holds
Pelvic floor breathing
Level - Intermediate
Done flaccid or 30-40% engorged
Again find the best position for you but for this one I recommend standing because it’s just easier.
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your pelvic floor.
Start by slowly doing a front kegel lightly (not hard and tense like a normal front kegel) then reverse it slowly into a front reverse kegel. This should be done slowly and controlled.
Repeat this for 1 min then rest for 1 min
Do this for 10 min. Over time you can increase the length of the exercise.
As the name suggests it should feel like your pelvic floor is breathing.
Anal breathing
Level - Intermediate
Done flaccid or 30-40% engorged
Again find the best position for you but for this one I recommend standing because it’s just easier.
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your pelvic floor.
Start by slowly doing a back kegel lightly (not hard and tense like a normal back kegel) then reverse it slowly into a back reverse kegel. This should be done slowly and controlled.
Repeat this for 1 min then rest for 1 min
Do this for 10 min. Over time you can increase the length of the exercise.
Two point reverse kegels
Level - Advanced
Done flaccid or 30-40% engorged
Again find the best position for you but for this one I recommend standing because it’s just easier.
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your pelvic floor.
For your starting position your pelvic floor should be completely relaxed. From here you're going to slowly go into a front reverse kegel hold for 10 sec then slowly return to the start point keeping control of the stretch all the way.
Rest for 10 sec
Next from the start position you’re going to slowly do a back reverse kegel and then hold it for 10 sec then slowly bring it back to the start point again controlling it all the way
Rest for 10 sec
Repeat that for 10 min. Over time you can increase the length of the exercise to suit you.
Note: No muscles should be tensed during this exercise and remember your breathing.
Alternating kegels
Level - Advanced
Done flaccid or 30-40% engorged (can be done at full erection but requires a lot of control)
These kegels can be done for the front and the back but I’m only going to describe it once but know you can apply it to both.
Again find the best position for you but for this one I recommend standing because it’s just easier.
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your pelvic floor.
Do a hard front kegel and hold for 10 sec
Then release and go straight into a front reverse kegel and hold for 10 sec
The above should be done controlled
Do these for 1 min and then rest for 1 min for a total of 10 min
Again with experience you can increase the time of the holds or the exercise time or both.
BEGINNER ROUTINES
When choosing a beginner's routine take into account why you’re doing it in the first place.
If you suffer from premature ejaculation I strongly recommend you focus on isolating your BC muscle with front reverse kegels. In the more rare case that it’s the back of your pelvic floor that’s too tense then focus on back reverse kegels to start with.
I find that the best ratio for balance is 70:30 or 60:40 reverse kegels to kegels. Your goal should be finding the right ratio for you.
If you have a very strong kegel reaction that you don’t feel you have the ability yet to combat with reverse kegel then I sometimes suggest doing a reverse kegel only routine for a couple of weeks.
NOTE: You shouldn’t do a reverse kegel only routine indefinitely this could cause a weakening of the pelvic floor muscles that could make it difficult to cum or even maintain an erection.
TIP - Because stretching the pelvic floor is the same as stretching any other muscle it’s beneficial to a few reverse kegels before and after doing kegels.
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EDGING AND REVERSE KEGELS
When edging, reverse kegels (specifically front reverse kegel) are used before the PONR in order to push it back or at any time you feel unwanted contractions.
Doing them stretches and relaxes the pelvic floor (the BC muscle in particular) allowing blood to flow more freely and naturally in and out of the penis decreasing sensitivity and tension in the area.
Reverse kegels done at or to close to the PONR can have the opposite effect and cause you to cum. Even without the involuntary contractions associated with ejaculation causing the cum to just pour out the end of your penis.
Reverse kegels can be done while you're still edging but for some who are really sensitive may find that is too hard to begin with. In that case just stop edging while you reverse kegel then start up again when the area’s relaxed.
Your aim should be to be able to reverse kegel when you need to while still egding, but take it slow and work your way up to it.
You want to get to the point where you can reverse kegel instinctually and easily when you need to, to counter any unwanted spasms you get when edging or during sex.
Because that’s the whole point, to be able to do these easily and naturally while having sex so that you can pretty much choose when you want to cum.
When your pelvic floor is balance you don’t even need to think about kegels or reverse kegels during sex because your pelvic floor is naturally relaxed.
NOTE: When edging do it to physical stimulation alone or your fantasies not ���� or ���� fantasies.
Edge slowly, retrain any bad habits. There's no need to rush
NOTE:
Reverse kegels - pushes back the PONR and stops involuntary contractions.
Kegels - Increase sensitivity but will stop you cumming at the PONR. (this requires strength and timing)
EDGING EXERCISES
Start/stop
When edging use front reverse kegels to stop spasms while working your way up to your PONR. Then stopping and holding a front kegel to stop yourself cumming.
When the need to cum passes release the kegel and go straight into a front reverse kegel to stretch and relax the muscle once again. Then repeat.
I don’t recommend cumming after ever edging session. Once every 3 - 7 days let your self cum.
Chasing the PONR
When doing this the goal is only to reach the PONR once.
When edging counter ever spasm just before it occurs with a front reverse kegel.
If you don’t know your body well enough yet to tell when a spasm is about to occur then just counter them when they do occur.
You want to be always pushing the PONR back every time it starts to get near with front reverse kegels.
Eventually you won't be able to push it back anymore and then you have two options.
1. let yourself cum.
or
2. Kegel to stop yourself from cumming.
Again I don’t recommend cumming after every edging session. Let yourself go ever 3-7 days.
TIP - Get to know feeling of your PONR and involantry contrations so that you can counter them before they occur.
SIDE NOTE:
On the mental side of things don’t try and distract yourself from the pleasure you feel because it’s too intense and you're afraid of not lasting.
It’s your pleasure you're feeling so own it. Immerse yourself in it so you get used to it and enjoy it. Look forward to the pleasure and let that be the reason you want it to last longer because the longer you last the more pleasure you receive.
When you change how you think about a situation you change how your body reacts in that situation.
Another option when edging is to try for a dry orgasm.
Here’s Minuteman's guide for more on that.
Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide
PELVIC STRETCHING
It's a good idea to combine reverse kegels with stretching exercises for optimum effect.
Stretching is a great way to relieve tension and increase flexibility and taking the time to perform a few simple stretches on a daily basis will not only help people with premature ejaculation caused by pelvic tension but also help prevent possible injury in the future.
The following is a link to a list of pelvic floor targeted stretches.
INSPIRED AND QUOTED FROM PEGYM PENIS ENLARGEMENT FORUM, WRITTEN BY USER "imac", thread- Confusion with Reverse Kegels + Pelvic Floor Balance . Neither MOS, nor me are the original creators of this and if "imac" requires this thread to be deleted- So it will be done!!!! IF there are ANY issues or problems with this thread regarding the fact that it was inspired and QUOTED from another PE forum and user- Please, MODS and ADMIN- feel more than free to delete this thread!
For more detailed information on this- feel free to visit the links given above I used, they lead to other links for this topic is too broad to be put in one thread only! If ANY of the MOS rules have been violated, please feel free to DELETE this thread! Disrespecting the rules of the brotherhood is NOT what I seek, so please NOTE me for ANY mistake that has been done, so I will NOT repeat it again. I posted this thread here, because I saw that MOS lacks good and quality info on that part of PE and Penile Health! All the best, Zam
A message notifying the original writer of this has been sent!!! If he has anything against this being done- this thread will remain, but if he minds it- I will delete this thread ASAP MYSELF!!!!!!
Pelvic Floor Balance is really important. We all know how important kegels are for out PE and yes they are! We do them all the time in our pursue to develop stronget PC muscles and improve vascularity to our penises and therefore get better PE sessions. But, it seems like too much is not really good.
If you develop too strong of a PC muscle through kegeling a lot- you can leave yourself with Premature Ejaculation problems. This is due to the fact that too strong PC muscles can lead to excess involuntrary contractions during sex (which we already discussed in other threads is not a good thing to do if you have Pre-E problems). These can be controlled during sex/masturbation, but they require some training and a lot of hard work to be controlled. So it seems like there is something as "too much kegels".
Now on the other hand- having a weak PC muscle can lead to poor penile vascularity (bad EQ), weaker orgasms, poor penile health etc. And none of us actually want that. In order to avoid this we need to exercise our Pelvic Floor. But when we do- we need to give it a good workout and not do too little...
So there is too much and there is too little kegeling. But that is not all- there is specification in the imbalance as well. These specifications can be cured with front kegels, back kegels, front reverse kegels and back reverse kegels.
The symptoms of an unbalanced PC musles are:
-Premature Ejaculation can be a result of over-tense PC msucles leading to too much (and too strong) involuntary Pelvic Floor contractions.
-Delayed Ejaculation where PC muscles are too weak to contract (though this is rarely a problem, most PC muscles are strong enough to contract good during sex).
-Hard Flaccid.
-Some men have reported loss of libido due to overdoing their reverse kegels and therefore causing imbalance.
-Difficulty urinating or defecating due to overtense Pelvic Floor muscles.
-Poor EQ (especially when muscles are too weak).
The symptoms of a balanced PC muscles are:
-Normal flaccid.
-Good libido.
-High EQ.
-No difficulty urinating or defecating.
-You are able to last as long as you want (assuming you do not suffer mental overstimulation).
-You can choose when to let involuntary kegels occur and any ones that do occur can be easily stopped if you so choose.
If you have somewhat tense PC muscles- you should start doing a Kegel-Reverse kegel ratio of 40-60%, 30-70% (and so on depending on how severe your tension actually is). Since kegels flex the muslces and Reverse kegels unflex it- it would be a solution to "unflex" it more to treat your tense Pelvic Floor.
And if your PC muscle is too weak- start "flexing" more doing more Kegels than Reverse Kegels in a ratio of 60-40%, 70-30%- depending on how weak the muslces are.
Front Reverse Kegels
Front reverse kegels target and isolate your BC muscle, this is the muscle that wraps around the inner part of the penis and causes involuntary contractions. A front reverse kegel will stretch and loosen the BC muscle from around the inner part of your penis (the bulb) allowing better blood flow in and out of the penis as opposed to a regular kegel with will pump more blood into the penis and trap it there by contracting around the inner part of the penis.
Remember those contractions aren’t a bad thing, they occur for a purpose. That being to expel ejaculate and urine at force out of the urethral canal.
But due to factors like bad marturbation habits and overstimulation to things like hardcore ���� as well as other factors can lead to an unbalance pelvic floor. This causes involuntary contractions to happen more frequently than they should, sometimes continuously. Speeding your way to the PONR a lot quicker than you’d like rather than the natural progression to the PONR you would have if you had a balanced pelvic floor.
That's why it's important to isolate the muscles so that you decide when to let those contractions occur making you cum or using a front reverse kegel to stretch and relax your BC muscle pushing back the PONR.
This is why I always recommend to those with premature ejaculation to start by learning to isolate their BC muscle with front reverse kegels.
Back Reverse Kegels
Back reverse kegels target your PC and IC muscles. This exercise is good if the back of your pelvic floor is tense. This area is rarely as out of balance as the front due to the fact that most people who are overtraining do so with the front and therefore don’t need as much attention as the front to begin with.
When you’ve successfully isolated front reverse kegels and brought balance to that area by gaining control over your involuntary contractions you might want to learn to have DO’s or MMO’s and to do that you will need to strengthen the whole of your pelvic floor by doing both front and back regular kegels.
It’s then that back reverse kegels will become more important. Because as you work the back of your pelvic floor with back kegels it’s going to tense up so you’ll need to be able to reverse back kegel in order to stretch and relax that area of your pelvic floor so that your muscles remain flexible.
Here is a link to a picture that shows the BC, PC and IC muscles and there location in a man and a woman.
http://yuanadesukma.files.wordpress....-and-woman.png
It’s often described that some people find reverse kegels are harder to do because there kegels are stronger than their reverse kegels and I believe this has a part to play in leading some to think that reverse kegels are a strengthening exercise when there really a stretching exercise.
So I’d like to clear that up. When someone says this what is really meant is that your ability and control of your reverse kegels is not yet advanced enough to successfully counter the contractions from your pelvic floor muscles.
What it doesn’t mean is there is two opposing muscles where one is weaker than the other rendering them out of balance like the bicep and the tricep for example.
PISS, FART AND DEFECATE
You’ll often be told that to identify the area you want to stretch that a front reverse kegel feels like you’re taking a piss and that a back reverse kegel is like farting or defecating.
NOTE: When people describe it in those terms there doing it so you get a general idea of what each one feels like and the muscles you should be targeting. When actually doing the exercises you shouldn't actually feel like you're about to pee, fart or defecate. If you do then you're pushing too hard.
BREATHING
Keep breathing, it may seem obvious but the fact is that some people hold their breath when doing reverse kegels and normal kegels for that matter. When you hold your breath you cause tension in your body and that is counter productive in doing these exercises. So I’ll say it again, Keep breathing.
Whether that’s regular light breathing or deep breathing from your diaphragm just make sure you don’t hold your breath.
Reverse Kegel Breathing (Meditative Reverse Kegels)
TIPS TO HELP ISOLATION
When trying each exercise some find them easier on their back to start with while some find it easier to stand. So experiment to find what’s best for you.
Slowly do a light front kegel then reverse it into a light front reverse kegel so that feel the difference between the pull and the push of the two different exercises in that targeted area. You can do the same for back kegels as well.
When doing front kegels you can use your diaphragm to help with the stretch by pushing it out but when doing this keep your abs relaxed
When doing reverse kegel if you feel around the base of your penis and your perineum the muscles should be relaxed and loose, there should not be any tension. You can do a light kegel then reverse kegel to feel the difference with your fingers.
Keep your back straight whether you’re laying down or standing.
WHAT NOT TO DO
Do not push too hard
Do not strain yourself
Do not hold your breath
Do not reverse kegel while doing any exercise that engages your core. (sex being the exception to the rule)
HOW TO REVERSE KEGEL
I've already said that reverse kegels aren't a strength exercise so your body should not be tense when doing them so that's what you need to work on first, letting your muscles relax while doing them.
These exercises can be difficult for someone who has never done them before especially if you have a very tight pelvic floor so be patient with yourself if you don’t feel like you’re doing them straight away and keep practicing the exercises as described while paying close attention to your body specifically the area you’re trying to work and you’ll find them easier in time as your ability improves as well as being able to feel the subtle movements in the area you’re focusing on.
Front reverse kegel
Level - beginner / Force - Light to firm
Done at flaccid or 30-40% engorged
Find the position that’s right for you be that laying down or standing up
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your penile area and your pelvic floor.
Focus on pushing out the muscle at the base of your penis (where your penis meets your body) while keeping the rest of the pelvic area as relaxed as possible. It can help to visualize the muscle expand like a balloon. This can cause your penis fill with blood giving you a flushed flaccid.
Aim to hold this for 10 sec. To start with you may find that hard so try 5 sec or 3 and work your way up. For however long you hold the stretch allow the same time to rest between reps. The force should be between light and firm. You should never be straining yourself, if you are then you're pushing too hard.
Repeat the above for 10 min. When you become more advanced you can increase the time and the length of the holds
Once you’ve mastered this exercise in one position you’ll then be able to do it in others until you’re able to do them while moving around barely even having to concentrating on doing them.
Back reverse kegel
Level - beginner / Force - Light to firm
Done at flaccid or 30-40% engorged
Again find the best position for you but for this one I recommend standing because it’s just easier.
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your pelvic floor.
Now focus on your perineum just in front of your bum hole and push down and slightly back. If it helps you can imagine a piece of string or something similar attached to that same part of you and imagine it being pulled down and back. The force light to firm just as before, you should never be straining yourself.
Aim to hold this for 10 sec. To start with you may find that hard so try 5 sec or 3 and work your way up. For however long you hold the stretch allow the same time to rest between reps.
Repeat the above for 10 min. When you become more advanced you can increase the time and the length of the holds
Pelvic floor breathing
Level - Intermediate
Done flaccid or 30-40% engorged
Again find the best position for you but for this one I recommend standing because it’s just easier.
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your pelvic floor.
Start by slowly doing a front kegel lightly (not hard and tense like a normal front kegel) then reverse it slowly into a front reverse kegel. This should be done slowly and controlled.
Repeat this for 1 min then rest for 1 min
Do this for 10 min. Over time you can increase the length of the exercise.
As the name suggests it should feel like your pelvic floor is breathing.
Anal breathing
Level - Intermediate
Done flaccid or 30-40% engorged
Again find the best position for you but for this one I recommend standing because it’s just easier.
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your pelvic floor.
Start by slowly doing a back kegel lightly (not hard and tense like a normal back kegel) then reverse it slowly into a back reverse kegel. This should be done slowly and controlled.
Repeat this for 1 min then rest for 1 min
Do this for 10 min. Over time you can increase the length of the exercise.
Two point reverse kegels
Level - Advanced
Done flaccid or 30-40% engorged
Again find the best position for you but for this one I recommend standing because it’s just easier.
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your pelvic floor.
For your starting position your pelvic floor should be completely relaxed. From here you're going to slowly go into a front reverse kegel hold for 10 sec then slowly return to the start point keeping control of the stretch all the way.
Rest for 10 sec
Next from the start position you’re going to slowly do a back reverse kegel and then hold it for 10 sec then slowly bring it back to the start point again controlling it all the way
Rest for 10 sec
Repeat that for 10 min. Over time you can increase the length of the exercise to suit you.
Note: No muscles should be tensed during this exercise and remember your breathing.
Alternating kegels
Level - Advanced
Done flaccid or 30-40% engorged (can be done at full erection but requires a lot of control)
These kegels can be done for the front and the back but I’m only going to describe it once but know you can apply it to both.
Again find the best position for you but for this one I recommend standing because it’s just easier.
Relax your body and clear your mind of tension. You want to be relaxed so that blood flows freely to your pelvic floor.
Do a hard front kegel and hold for 10 sec
Then release and go straight into a front reverse kegel and hold for 10 sec
The above should be done controlled
Do these for 1 min and then rest for 1 min for a total of 10 min
Again with experience you can increase the time of the holds or the exercise time or both.
BEGINNER ROUTINES
When choosing a beginner's routine take into account why you’re doing it in the first place.
If you suffer from premature ejaculation I strongly recommend you focus on isolating your BC muscle with front reverse kegels. In the more rare case that it’s the back of your pelvic floor that’s too tense then focus on back reverse kegels to start with.
I find that the best ratio for balance is 70:30 or 60:40 reverse kegels to kegels. Your goal should be finding the right ratio for you.
If you have a very strong kegel reaction that you don’t feel you have the ability yet to combat with reverse kegel then I sometimes suggest doing a reverse kegel only routine for a couple of weeks.
NOTE: You shouldn’t do a reverse kegel only routine indefinitely this could cause a weakening of the pelvic floor muscles that could make it difficult to cum or even maintain an erection.
TIP - Because stretching the pelvic floor is the same as stretching any other muscle it’s beneficial to a few reverse kegels before and after doing kegels.
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EDGING AND REVERSE KEGELS
When edging, reverse kegels (specifically front reverse kegel) are used before the PONR in order to push it back or at any time you feel unwanted contractions.
Doing them stretches and relaxes the pelvic floor (the BC muscle in particular) allowing blood to flow more freely and naturally in and out of the penis decreasing sensitivity and tension in the area.
Reverse kegels done at or to close to the PONR can have the opposite effect and cause you to cum. Even without the involuntary contractions associated with ejaculation causing the cum to just pour out the end of your penis.
Reverse kegels can be done while you're still edging but for some who are really sensitive may find that is too hard to begin with. In that case just stop edging while you reverse kegel then start up again when the area’s relaxed.
Your aim should be to be able to reverse kegel when you need to while still egding, but take it slow and work your way up to it.
You want to get to the point where you can reverse kegel instinctually and easily when you need to, to counter any unwanted spasms you get when edging or during sex.
Because that’s the whole point, to be able to do these easily and naturally while having sex so that you can pretty much choose when you want to cum.
When your pelvic floor is balance you don’t even need to think about kegels or reverse kegels during sex because your pelvic floor is naturally relaxed.
NOTE: When edging do it to physical stimulation alone or your fantasies not ���� or ���� fantasies.
Edge slowly, retrain any bad habits. There's no need to rush
NOTE:
Reverse kegels - pushes back the PONR and stops involuntary contractions.
Kegels - Increase sensitivity but will stop you cumming at the PONR. (this requires strength and timing)
EDGING EXERCISES
Start/stop
When edging use front reverse kegels to stop spasms while working your way up to your PONR. Then stopping and holding a front kegel to stop yourself cumming.
When the need to cum passes release the kegel and go straight into a front reverse kegel to stretch and relax the muscle once again. Then repeat.
I don’t recommend cumming after ever edging session. Once every 3 - 7 days let your self cum.
Chasing the PONR
When doing this the goal is only to reach the PONR once.
When edging counter ever spasm just before it occurs with a front reverse kegel.
If you don’t know your body well enough yet to tell when a spasm is about to occur then just counter them when they do occur.
You want to be always pushing the PONR back every time it starts to get near with front reverse kegels.
Eventually you won't be able to push it back anymore and then you have two options.
1. let yourself cum.
or
2. Kegel to stop yourself from cumming.
Again I don’t recommend cumming after every edging session. Let yourself go ever 3-7 days.
TIP - Get to know feeling of your PONR and involantry contrations so that you can counter them before they occur.
SIDE NOTE:
On the mental side of things don’t try and distract yourself from the pleasure you feel because it’s too intense and you're afraid of not lasting.
It’s your pleasure you're feeling so own it. Immerse yourself in it so you get used to it and enjoy it. Look forward to the pleasure and let that be the reason you want it to last longer because the longer you last the more pleasure you receive.
When you change how you think about a situation you change how your body reacts in that situation.
Another option when edging is to try for a dry orgasm.
Here’s Minuteman's guide for more on that.
Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide
PELVIC STRETCHING
It's a good idea to combine reverse kegels with stretching exercises for optimum effect.
Stretching is a great way to relieve tension and increase flexibility and taking the time to perform a few simple stretches on a daily basis will not only help people with premature ejaculation caused by pelvic tension but also help prevent possible injury in the future.
The following is a link to a list of pelvic floor targeted stretches.
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