HCG Experiment

Hi all,

Some background info:
24 years old, had delayed puberty at 17 with very little penile and testicular growth. Visited an endocrinologist a few years back, did me no good since it was for one, embarrassing but also he wasn't too worried or helpful, as I can easily get an erection and ejaculate.

Throughout the years I noticed every male relative in my family that I happened to see naked, were way bigger than me. This confirmed what I always suspected, that I have some form of hypogonadism.

After some (still ongoing) research I plan on gather some supplies and try the follow:

250-500iu of HCG 2-3/week, for 4 weeks

My questions to anyone with knowledge and experience in the matter - Is aromatisation of testosterone likely to happen even with these low dosages? If so is novalex or clomid more efficient in preventing this?

I'd appreciate any input, thanks.

Listen, if you think that your penis is small... your penis is small. If you see that you have a real reason to think that you do not have the needed hormones for your growth- only then take this is my advice. I had the absolutely same problem as you. At the age of 18-19 I was really short (still am, but I guess that my family are dwarfs ) and had 6x4,75 erect penis. I felt that not only was my penis small, but my height as well. Do you have any symptoms despite of feeling that your penis is small? Here it is all reversable! You can grow a lot here, believe me. There are thousands of people that have done it, you will do it too! The purpose of this answer was to ask you whether you have any other symptoms than "small penis". I would advise taking HCG only if you are sure that you have a serious hormone problem. I repeat, even if you feel that your penis is small- in matters of 7-8 weeks you can grow a lot!!!! Take your time to read around the site to see all the testominals and that would make you a believer. There is a forum called "Progress ..bla bla.." or "Pictureproof.. bla bla". The "..bla bla" means that I don't remember what was the forum's name exactly . Now, answer my question and I will try to help you as much as I can, so you get the confidence of a destroyer!

Ultra, at those doses and duration, little estrogenic side effects are likely to occur. Keep some nolvadex on hand just in case you notice sore nipples, etc., but skip the clomid since it can contribute to estrogenic effects. Best of luck.

Dford

Thanks zambro.
No male in my family, mums and dads side( cousins, a couple of uncles, and older bro) that i've seen naked have my problem. Puberty wasn't kind to me, late and incomplete.

I have done Penis Enlargement for 3 months with a little improvement on girth and I won't neglect my routine in favour of chemical pe. I will do both.
Plenty of members in bodybuilding forums have been on HCG with success in getting their testes back to normal size after Testosterone cycles. I will be carefull in my approach to it though.

Sounds good to me Dford, you've done it for bodybuilding purposes?

Ultra;563412 said:

Thanks zambro.
No male in my family, mums and dads side( cousins, a couple of uncles, and older bro) that i've seen naked have my problem. Puberty wasn't kind to me, late and incomplete.

I have done Penis Enlargement for 3 months with a little improvement on girth and I won't neglect my routine in favour of chemical pe. I will do both.
Plenty of members in bodybuilding forums have been on HCG with success in getting their testes back to normal size after Testosterone cycles. I will be carefull in my approach to it though.

Sounds good to me Dford, you've done it for bodybuilding purposes?

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I did use it for BB purposes and did my regular Penis Enlargement exercises too and I didn't notice any additional Penis Enlargement benefits from it. It will work very well to regain testicle size and reduce shrinkage and it works fast. I have a tight sac almost all day every day, except when using HCG. It's a good, safe product but increasingly hard to get these days. If you are well past puberty age (and it looks like you are) and didn't complete puberty, I think HCG and DHT or hormone replacement therapy would work wonders, but make sure to manage any unwanted side effects. You should see another urologist and have your hormone levels checked and he might put you on a regimen that includes some of these.

Excellent, many thanks for the info. All supplies ordered included some nolva.

Will start at 500iu EOD and may start nolva straight away as well at 20mg ED. If all checked OK by first or second week will increase dosage to 1000iu EOD.

All potential sides will be monitored very closely indeed. Thinking of ordering a hormonal panel test online (a tad expensive but worth it) and check levels of LH, FSH, Free T and Total T after 3 or 4 weeks, to be on the safe side.

Ultra

Aso, Dford, from your experience and not knowing what dosage you were on: 20mg nolva ED during HCG cycle OK?

That should be fine for your 4 week cycle. I doubt you'll have any estrogenic sides but nolva has some positive benefits to LH and FSH as well. If you can manage it, get two of the panel tests so you can tell us what your levels are now and what they will be after the cycle. And also tell us about any growth!

Much appreciated for your input. About growth? Who knows, hoping for the best but expecting the worst (which is no growth at all).
But nothing to lose I guess. May go for 8 weeks if no or few sides.

Ultra

Hey Ultra, interesting post. I've been heavily looking into the ChemPenis Enlargement thing too, since I'm in a bit of a similar situation. I had some growth/medical issues early in life that I think contributed to me being size I'm not entirely into. Figured I'd register here since everyone is so accepting of the ChemPenis Enlargement avenue and trying out new ideas. When I can afford it, I'd certainly like to try out some things myself.

I'm curious though, are you just going to use HCG? Lots of people seem to experiment with things like DHT, IGF, HGH, etc when putting together a protocol. Was just wondering if you looked into that sort of stuff.

Yeah just HCG. Since is widely used by bodybuilders and a lot of women looking into lose weight, it seems the way to go for me at least.

We're in the same boat it seems as I'm sure I didn't reach my genetic potential (see posts above) due to incomplete puberty I guess.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3214853/

This is a very interesting study and one could hope to have similar results but I'm keeeping my hopes down. Although it's at least worth a try.

Hey Atmospheric, I did answer to your post but don't know what happened to it as it was waiting approval by a mod.

Hey man, try posting it again. I had attempting to post a topic not too long ago and got the same thing. That never went through, but my post in here did instantly. Weird. Oh, and hey, where are you going to inject into? The CC or just somewhere where it'll be systematic?

Atmospheric;564396 said:

Hey man, try posting it again. I had attempting to post a topic not too long ago and got the same thing. That never went through, but my post in here did instantly. Weird. Oh, and hey, where are you going to inject into? The CC or just somewhere where it'll be systematic?

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I did try twice, try it once more.

HCG seems the right approach for me due to reduced puberty. Also seems the safest for various reasons.

I'm a bit reluctant in trying DHT but thought of it. Possible sides put me off , but since HCG raises LH production which in turn raises T production, DHT will be a consequence and so will Estradiol (hence adding novaldex).

We seem to be in the same boat as I'm sure I'm nowhere near my genetic potential. As I mentioned above, family members on both sides of the family are much bigger than me.

Could this HCG experiment trigger the 'rest of my growth' at my age? Words could fail me if it were to happen.

1st shot of 500iu done this morning IM. A slight feeling of blurry vision, so going to check if its normal.

Could anyone confirm if the hcg can have this effect that fast? It has only been 4 hours after the shot.

dickfordays;563520 said:

If you are well past puberty age (and it looks like you are) and didn't complete puberty, I think HCG and DHT or hormone replacement therapy would work wonders, but make sure to manage any unwanted side effects. You should see another urologist and have your hormone levels checked and he might put you on a regimen that includes some of these.

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http://www.wellnessmd.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=57&Itemid=77

"Topical testosterone probably causes penile growth through systemic action, via IGF-1 [Laron Z.1998] and not merely through its local effect. [Jacobs SC, 1975.] Penile growth cessation is mediated by mechanisms other than down regulation of the androgen receptor.

Testosterone cream has been found effective in increasing the penis size in research with prepubertal boys with micropenis. [Klugo RC. 1970] Testosterone influences penile growth, possibly as a result of expansion of the shaft through the action of androgen receptors in the corpus [Bin-Abbas B, 1999, Godek JC, 1985].

What it does mean is that early administration of androgen to prepubertal male individuals with low serum or salivary testosterone [Rilling JK, 1996] can result in a longer penis or phallus in adulthood. [Baskin LS, 1997]

Men who have large penises show a rapid conversion of free T to DHT as measured by T/DHT ratio in their blood. Rapid conversion is a genetic trait indicated by amplified maleness early in life: increased body and beard hair, increased musculature, early male pattern baldness, short height (<5'8") and greater penile girth (>3.5" around) with length (>7"). A very strong sex drive, increased masturbation frequency, and early puberty are also associated with higher testosterone levels.

Research indicates that even in an adult male, penis growth is still possible with topical hormone application causing stimulation of the androgen receptors in the corpus cavernosa, the blood filled cavities along the shaft of the male penis."

I will make topical testosterone a must in my experiment! Testocreme, androgel, andractim - which one would be the question.

Anyone can vouch for any of these?

I tried andractim with no success, but it was well after I completed natural puberty. I do not think it does much good post-puberty but I think it could work wonders in your situation. I experienced no side effects from it either.

Wouldn't, HCG+Nolvadex+andractim = too much?

Don't want to mess with my own natural production. So when the gel arrives, inclined to do 250IU HCG 3x week, 20mg nolvadex, 2.5g andractim EOD

Your thoughts Dford?

I don't think that will be too much, they all work via different mechanisms and the HCG and the nolvadex promote your natural levels rather than inhibit them and the DHT will not reach high enough systemic levels to cause down-regulation. I think they will be fine together but just be mindful of sides, although they will be unlikely.

Quick update:

Injected 500iu thur/sat/mon, testes look a bit fuller and no sides as of yet. Uping the dose to 750iu as soon as the nolvadex arrives, plus 20mg/day of the latter.

Have ordered caverject instead of the andractim( budjet only allows one for now). A cheap penis pump is on the way too, to use it before or during the pge1 injections.

Protocol will be:
-750 iu - 3x week + 20 mg/day nolva
-2.5mcg/5mcg caverject 3x week
-Initiate pumping routine

Ultra