And Finally After Two Years>>> Vkay Gains!!!

You've got a good size already VK. Keep working and you'll get where you want to be. I never thought your gains would go away while deconditioning. It's something we all worry about though.

As far as the erect hanging, although your method is quite different, I'm not so sure that I'd be brave enough to try it. There's some possibility that it will be a solid workout, but there's also the off chance that by utilizing a hanger that you could cause some sort of odd wieght displacement injury. What I'm saying really is be careful and I hope it works out for you. I'm going to get back into my manual length sessions this next week. I'll be starting off moderately and progress to a more intense program over the course of two weeks as usual. Keep this thread updated as you go through your cycle so that we can see if you change the setup and if you notice anything beyond your 1cm goal.
 
Yesterday I was about to do my second Hang session, when I recieved a 'phone call'. I decided that I just might need my unit functioning later in the day and thought it unfair to subject it to such strain before a performance night. I decided to just do jelqs and light clamping with a cock ring (cock cushion).

I've been doing something I read on Thunder's which later on turned out to be one of DLD's early creations. It's simple: get as hard as you can, kegel so ur unit is engorged and keep the kegel squeezed. Right after you kegel press your unit down with the palm of your hand (while still maintaining the kegel and the PC muscle flexed) and force your erection to get parallel to ground. Hold this squeeze for 10-20 seconds, and then before you let go of the kegel ease up your hand and let your erection come back up, hold for another second and then slowly ease up on the kegel and relax. I don't know what this is called but DLD is genius for developing it. My erections have been really hard lately.


I've also come to a similar realization as that of Millionman, where he said that he'd been claiming sizes that he is just now reaching.

Although I have measured pics, of the sizes I have claimed, I believe that the true girth measurement is that of an unaided, unassisted, un-warmed up erection. At that I'm around 13.5 cm. After about 10 Uli squeezes and putting on a cock ring I reach a mid shaft girth of anywhere around 15.5 cm to 16.5 cm. This is non-fluid build up girth, but nevertheless I feel I have been misleading myself into believing that this is my true girth measurement.

Here's a picture of my erection yesterday, before I did any jelqs. As you can see I'm lacking quite a bit of girth in this picture, but this is what I call a 'dry' erection, with no cock ring, no constrictor (not even my hand) and no Penis Enlargement of any sort to warm up the penile tissue.

My appologies to everyone for this discrepancy in size claims.. I never meant to mislead anyone, but I guess I was sincerely in denial. I hope one day I can post a picture of a dry girth measurement of 6.5" and I believe the first step to that is acknowledging where I truely stand now.
 
A second and third note to add are the following:


As many of you had noticed I had very bad discoloration due to clamping. After the month off of Penis Enlargement that I had, I would say the discoloration (as you can see in the pic) has diminished about 80%.



and finally, I experimented with icing and then applying heat to the penis. I deep massaged my penis around midshaft as I believe I have alot of collagen scar tissue built up there. I can feel the texture when I press down. The Icing, I did with two Ice packs, 20 seconds one on top one on bottom followed by 20 seconds one on each side, in both cases applying pressure so that the cold penetrates as deep as possible. I ten apply heat. I feel that this is the best way of reducing scar tissue build up, hence slowing down conditioning and hence maximizing gians. It could also speed up the healing process. After this I didn't retract like I normally would after a Penis Enlargement session and even today I'm still hanging heavy. Very pleased with this, and will be experimenting further with it.


If anyone has any wisdom to share about this, please feel free to post.
 
VK, I feel the same way you do about my girth. I've been as big as 5.75" with no fluid buildup but that's edged and in the "heat" phase of arousal. I'm still focused on length as I'd like to get to over 9" EL at some point. That's been the dream for as long as I can remember, but I've lessened it to 8.5" since I thought it would take me too long to get there. With this current methodology I've been experimenting with 9" is very possible, although it will take a considerable amount of time.

I've used an ice/heat therapy before. It yielded some solid results but after a time it got to be very time consuming and the cold was almost painful. I would use an ice massage over the entire shaft and this was also back when my bruising was probably at it's worst. I stepped away from ice treatment in favor of hot water treatments just for ease of use and the bruising for me lessened significantly when I went with heat treatments only.

How has the erect hanging been going? That's been discussed here with the bib hanger. Aren't you using a max-vac?
 
millionman said:
VK, I feel the same way you do about my girth. I've been as big as 5.75" with no fluid buildup but that's edged and in the "heat" phase of arousal. I'm still focused on length as I'd like to get to over 9" EL at some point. That's been the dream for as long as I can remember, but I've lessened it to 8.5" since I thought it would take me too long to get there. With this current methodology I've been experimenting with 9" is very possible, although it will take a considerable amount of time.

I've used an ice/heat therapy before. It yielded some solid results but after a time it got to be very time consuming and the cold was almost painful. I would use an ice massage over the entire shaft and this was also back when my bruising was probably at it's worst. I stepped away from ice treatment in favor of hot water treatments just for ease of use and the bruising for me lessened significantly when I went with heat treatments only.

How has the erect hanging been going? That's been discussed here with the bib hanger. Aren't you using a max-vac?
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Ya I'm using Max-Vac, but hanging my own method I described. I've tried it with BIB, but it seems very tough since blood circulation is cut and the contraption itself kills the erection.
 
So after it was all said-n-done, you gained 1/8" length from the first cycle of the IPR protocol? If I remember correctly, you originally had 5/16" gain after the "I" phase...

Nice job, thanks for posting this thread.
 
goldmember said:
So after it was all said-n-done, you gained 1/8" length from the first cycle of the IPR protocol? If I remember correctly, you originally had 5/16" gain after the "I" phase...

Nice job, thanks for posting this thread.
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It's too early in the day for me to do math, but I basically went from 18.2 cm BPenis EnlargementL to 19 cm, which is a 0.8 cm increase, (5/16th of an inch) after the I phase. I didn't gain anything more in the P or the R phase, just maintained the gain.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
It's too early in the day for me to do math, but I basically went from 18.2 cm BPenis EnlargementL to 19 cm, which is a 0.8 cm increase, (5/16th of an inch) after the I phase. I didn't gain anything more in the P or the R phase, just maintained the gain.
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Oh ok. You should know that your stats (signature) say otherwise. From Oct. 30th to Dec 10th it says you went from 7 5/8" to 7 3/4"
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
As many of you had noticed I had very bad discoloration due to clamping. After the month off of Penis Enlargement that I had, I would say the discoloration (as you can see in the pic) has diminished about 80%.
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After my 8 week girth routine with minimal rest my discoloration didn't go away. It's still with me after decon. but not as bad. I'm soon going to experiment with lemon juice application to lighten the discoloration. I'll keep you posted (I forgot the damn lemon while shopping today!?!?)

The contrast technique is interesting, I use it to good effect for muscle recovery. An increase in bloodflow aids healing but the biggest increase in bloodflow for the penis is an erection.... it would help to reduce inflamation, espiecially if you start and end cold.
 
goldmember said:
Oh ok. You should know that your stats (signature) say otherwise. From Oct. 30th to Dec 10th it says you went from 7 5/8" to 7 3/4"
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ya my bone pressed Flacid Stretch length went from 7" 5/8 to 7" 3/4.
but my bone pressed Erect Length went from 18.2 cm, to 19.0 cm.

I find gains in BPenis EnlargementL much more worthy of tracking than BPFSL. I feel I'd been misleading myself with BPFSL claiming a size in high 7's when my erect length was in the low sevens. Right now I'm just short of 7.5" BPenis EnlargementL. Hopefully one day I will reach 8.5 NON bone pressed erect length since nbp measurements is ultimately what will matter. BP measurements, however, are the most consistent.

When are you comming off of your decon?
 
gimmegirth said:
After my 8 week girth routine with minimal rest my discoloration didn't go away. It's still with me after decon. but not as bad. I'm soon going to experiment with lemon juice application to lighten the discoloration. I'll keep you posted (I forgot the damn lemon while shopping today!?!?)

The contrast technique is interesting, I use it to good effect for muscle recovery. An increase in bloodflow aids healing but the biggest increase in bloodflow for the penis is an erection.... it would help to reduce inflamation, espiecially if you start and end cold.
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can you eleborate?
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
Any plans on what you're gonna do?
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IPR with stretching only: [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words].
 
I've rested for about 10 days now and I did a few easy stretches this morning and everything has tightened up a bit, but my FSL is actually a bit longer than it was post session on the last day. I've been measuring at the end of my 2 week period and again before a restart and everything seems to get consistently larger after a rest break when compared to the last post session measurement. Anyone else noticed something similar?
 
millionman said:
I've rested for about 10 days now and I did a few easy stretches this morning and everything has tightened up a bit, but my FSL is actually a bit longer than it was post session on the last day. I've been measuring at the end of my 2 week period and again before a restart and everything seems to get consistently larger after a rest break when compared to the last post session measurement. Anyone else noticed something similar?
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That's interesting.

I was reading an article on deconditioning skeletal muscles, (HST Strategic Deconditioning) and the article proposed that our muscles only need 9-14 days to decondition. Maybe the same IPR results can be obtained with only a 14 day decon break.
 
I have skipped yet another hang session.

I've been Kegeling and training my PC muscle and even though I did nothing else two days ago, I was still very sore today. Perhaps I'm developing more smooth muscle within the penile tissue. :s :s

Today, I had sex and wore my cock ring while doing it. I feel having sex with a good cock ring is the same as a clamping set and might have the same benefits.

Either way I'm EXTREMELY sore now and I will be taking a couple of days to completely recover before I hang again. <:(

But it's ok. Resting while sore only equates gains rofl
 
In my experiences I've found that 10-14 days off work very well. In fact I've been off now for about 12 days and am probably going to stay off for at least another 2-3 days. Honestly, I just haven't felt like Penis Enlargementing much at all but at the same time I've noticed that my penis has responded very well to the break. I'm hanging lower and I'm definitely more relaxed overall in the penis dept. We just hit a serious cold snap in the last few days and I haven't had a terrible problem with turtling or anything like what I've had in the past. I'll be sure to post when I start back up.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
That's interesting.

I was reading an article on deconditioning skeletal muscles, (HST Strategic Deconditioning) and the article proposed that our muscles only need 9-14 days to decondition. Maybe the same IPR results can be obtained with only a 14 day decon break.
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The muscles sre TOTALLY different to blood vessels. I think this sort of comparison isn't valid. Conditioning of the muscles involves increased enzyme counts, increased neural activation, muscle co-ordination, hypertrophy etc etc. It's totally different to the coditioning of the penis which it seems is mostly the result of collagen build-up.

In a sports performance regime i've never seen real deconditioning used effectively, transition/active rest, yes... but never full decon.
 
GG, You must not have ever worked with any PLers, speed skaters, oly lifters, or track athletes. These groups after a competition take off for 2 weeks before returning to a lighter regimen for their next event. Training cycles are all relevant to the time between events. Another issue would be what type of periodization was being utilized, if using linear periodization then there would be at least 2 weeks off because of the constant escalation of the intensity during the training cycles.

The comparison is in regards to the tissues that are bearing load. If you allow the body, any tissues, to recover and rest then there will always be a slight rebound in between bouts of intense work. This is true for joint loading movements but can also be correlated to Penis Enlargement as we are putting large amounts of strain on the ligaments and ET which would need time to recover, not necessarily matbolically but structurally. We're not really dicussing this in regards to girth work but in regards to stretching routines and how rest effects things like flaccid hang and how long it takes on average to decondition to a point where gains are seen consistently. I've noted this to be 10-14 days for me personally and I think that's a solid time frame for what could at best be called partial deconditioning.
 
gimmegirth said:
The muscles sre TOTALLY different to blood vessels. I think this sort of comparison isn't valid. Conditioning of the muscles involves increased enzyme counts, increased neural activation, muscle co-ordination, hypertrophy etc etc. It's totally different to the coditioning of the penis which it seems is mostly the result of collagen build-up.
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As a matter of fact the comparison is more valid than you might think.
The penis is made of 48% collagen and 52% smooth muscle. When we do Penis Enlargement, collagen builds up. Some of this collagen is Type I and some are Type III. I believe (not 100% sure) that Type III collagen is very tough and is formed as a part of scarr tissue formation.

Now if we Penis Enlargement to the point that collagen surpasses the 48-52 ratio, (since we're not allowing smooth muscle growth to catch up to collagen formation which is considerably quicker than muscle recovery) our body, in an attempt to keep the 48-52 ratio intact will limit collagen growth and scar tissue formed will replace existing collageneous tissue.

This I believe is why our gains come to a stop. if it wasn't the case, i think to myself, then we could make massive penises out of scarr tissue. It would be messed but there'd be account of people with very large, very inelastic penises. As we all know, this just isn't the case and gains come to a halt, needing a deconditioning break, to

a) get rid of some of the scar tissue and have it replaced with Type I collagen in the Remodeling stage of IPR (which is a process the body goes through when dealing with any trauma)

and

b) allow time for the smooth muscle to grow to accomadate the new collageneous growth.


I believe, that finding a way to just slightly stress the penis to increase collagen build up just enough not to surpass smooth muscle growth, is the holy grail to Penis Enlargement: sustained growth.

This would also explain why so many people have reported that 'less is more' and that the majority of those who spend hours a day Penis Enlargement'ing don't see as much gain as those who do much less Penis Enlargement per day.




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This damage to the blood vessels leads to reduced levels of oxygen which results in increased collagen formation. This affects the elasticity in the penis by upsetting the balance between collagen and elastin in the penis. In the penis, the ideal ratio between collagen and smooth muscle (which contains elastin) is 48% (collagen) : 52% (smooth muscle which contains elastin). When this ratio is upset by an increased proportion of collagen (i.e. a relative decrease in the proportion of elastin) the penis becomes less elastic.

http://www.vasomaxpharmacy.com/vasomax.html

In men with normal erectile function, the penis is composed of 42% to 53% smooth muscle. As men age, blood flow to the penis may decline causing the normal structure of the penis to change; smooth muscle may be replaced by fibrous tissue that cannot expand sufficiently to initiate and maintain an erection. Symptoms of erectile dysfunction typcially begin when smooth muscle in the penis falls below 42%.


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In a sports performance regime i've never seen real deconditioning used effectively, transition/active rest, yes... but never full decon.
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Umm, I would strongly disagree with that. Read up on HST, there's a distinct documentation on 'Strategic Deconditioning'.

Same goes for Professional bodybuilders. After Mr. Olympia, almost every professional body builder takes a good 2 months off of any weight training.

I'm a natural bodybuilder myself and to continue growth, I take decon breaks of one-two weeks every 2 months. When I don't I find myself shrinking and plateauing instead of growing.
 
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Hi everyone.

I did my third hanging session today. I only went for 26 minutes at 10.5 lbs. and then did around 50 jelqs. I was going by feel. I felt a huge stretch in my ligs and shaft and felt that anything over 26 minutes would over train me..

I couldn't keep the 10% work function over the previous time I hanged, which was 10.5 lbs for 34 mins I believe. But then again I had about a week of rest from hanging and I guess a mini decon phase.

Good News:

Before my set today I measured my BPenis EnlargementL and I measured 19.3 cm, a 0.3 cm gain from my 19.0 BPenis EnlargementL measurement, of which I have posted a pic in this thread.


That's my first gain of this cycle. It's not much but it's a start.
I'll be resting completely for the next 2 days and then measure again before I hang on Sunday.


Wish me luck.
 
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VK, That's progress but you might want to wair until the end of this cycle before you measure. Otherwise your numbers might ultimately be skewed if you have too many numbers and they're a bit all over the place. That and it might be better for your focus to not neccessarily be on the ruler but on the WORD itself. Penis Enlargement is fun and as long as it stays in that arena everything will be fine but it's very difficult when it becomes something you MUST do to feel good about yourself on a day to day basis. I know that's not really a problem for you but it can easily slip back in if we lose the focus on our true intent here.

I jumped back in today with a decent regimen to start with. I don't use a 10% guideline but I do my best to work until I feel no more give in my tunica. This for me is what I feel is fatigue. I don't try to stretch past this point, but today I probably used a combination of exercises that is too much for a first day starter routine but it seemed to do me well. I did a few SO basic stretches after sitting on my heat pad to warmup and see how my tunica was feeling. I then moved into an RB's fake arm stretch using a long handle across my legs and I performed this at a drastically upward angle. I performed tew total reps, 5 each hand, and then moved into an Upward bundled stretch for 3 reps each hand. This session was pretty remarkable in that I actually felt that although the intensity of the stretches was well above my usual first session in a cycle but it really worked out well. I'll probably add two reps every 2 days for the next 13 sessions and see where I end up.
 
millionman said:
VK, That's progress but you might want to wair until the end of this cycle before you measure. Otherwise your numbers might ultimately be skewed if you have too many numbers and they're a bit all over the place. That and it might be better for your focus to not neccessarily be on the ruler but on the WORD itself. Penis Enlargement is fun and as long as it stays in that arena everything will be fine but it's very difficult when it becomes something you MUST do to feel good about yourself on a day to day basis. I know that's not really a problem for you but it can easily slip back in if we lose the focus on our true intent here.

I jumped back in today with a decent regimen to start with. I don't use a 10% guideline but I do my best to work until I feel no more give in my tunica. This for me is what I feel is fatigue. I don't try to stretch past this point, but today I probably used a combination of exercises that is too much for a first day starter routine but it seemed to do me well. I did a few SO basic stretches after sitting on my heat pad to warmup and see how my tunica was feeling. I then moved into an RB's fake arm stretch using a long handle across my legs and I performed this at a drastically upward angle. I performed tew total reps, 5 each hand, and then moved into an Upward bundled stretch for 3 reps each hand. This session was pretty remarkable in that I actually felt that although the intensity of the stretches was well above my usual first session in a cycle but it really worked out well. I'll probably add two reps every 2 days for the next 13 sessions and see where I end up.
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I understand your point completely and perhaps it was childish of me to measure. I will be taking 2-3 days of complete rest as I feel really beat up right now.

One main difference between this cycle and the previous one is that for some reason I get fatigued much faster. As I said I've been having alot of sex the past while, which unfortunately delayed my third session. I was wearing a constricting cock ring and refrained from ejaculation 12 times. I still cannot achieve multiple orgasms, but am becomming ok at controlling and holding back. The PC muscle exercises including the one I mentioned earlier in this thread have helped alot. The sex lasted some around 95 minutes. When I finally came, I noticed some fluid build up right under the glans.

I didn't have the ring on non-stop and around every 30 minutes I took it off, for a couple of minutes to allow fresh blood to come in. Long story short, the day after I felt so fatigued, to the point of pain in my shaft and my CS/glans.

I guess that sex acted like a clamping session. Either way, I'm not sure if the sex is responsible for this fatigue or if 10.5 lbs is just too much for me, 2 days seems to be, at this point, too little recovery time. Which is why I will take the next few days off, going by the feel of it and if need be will take a third day off, or possibly a 4th day.


Again appologies for the premature measurement. In hopes of consistency, I won't measure again until the end of this cycle.


One change of mentality to note is that before, I used to have the attitude that I couldn't wait to Penis Enlargement and that days off were an absolute pain. Now, even though I still enjoy Penis Enlargement'ing, I can't wait for days off and my next decon break.?:( wierd.
 
VK, Don't even worry about it. Measuring isn't a bad thing but as I said it can become the singular focus in our mind and it can distate how we feel about Penis Enlargement and it can cause anxiety and tons of unneeded stress. I've been there many times before. I've fought the urge to measure so far into this cycle. I've made it into day 3 without measuring and I'm going to hold off until I reach the last day of this particular cycle. I can see that I've made progress but it all comes down to how much.

With this cycle I've gone a bit more towards using intense stretches at the beginning and increasing volume across the first week and then adding in a 3rd stretch starting back at the same number of repetitions that I used for the second exercise on week one. I'm not really sure how I'm going to setup the other two exercises because this could turn out to be a really long routine. I'm trying to keep everything managable as far as time is concerned. Once I have it figured out I'll post it, but at the moment I've got some ideas floating around but I'm not sure where I'm going to go with it.
 
When following an IPR protocol, wouldn't you WANT to measure before each workout, to make sure you are still gaining--which would determine whether or not to move onto the P-phase???
 
goldmember said:
When following an IPR protocol, wouldn't you WANT to measure before each workout, to make sure you are still gaining--which would determine whether or not to move onto the P-phase???
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Technically yes. You should gain per session with IPR. But I guess its best to measure weekly or even biweekly to eliminate measuring inconsistancies.

The need to be at my 'largest' everytime I have sex requires me to do some minimal jelqs and some ULI's, as well as using a cock ring. I'm hoping that this will not disturb the P/R phase. I was kind of forced into a situation last night where sex couldn't be avoided. So while she was getting 'ready' in the bathroom, I had 10 minutes to myself and I did around 200 jelqs, and 20 ULI's. I noticed my Girth reaching just under 6 inches. Even though she was 'surprised' when she saw my dick, I was quite displeased with my girth.

It seems that since I'm not working girth as I used to that I'm losing some expandibility. The Same 200 jelqs and 20 ULI's would have expanded me to 6.25" a few months a go. Has anyone else experienced a fall of girth gains like this?
 
VK, It's one of those things that happens when you're focused on length. I've noticed something similar, since all I'm working on is length, as my girth would near the 5.75" mark consistently when I was doing mainly girth work. It's nothing to worry about and I'm sure it will return once you've hit your length goal.
 
millionman said:
VK, It's one of those things that happens when you're focused on length. I've noticed something similar, since all I'm working on is length, as my girth would near the 5.75" mark consistently when I was doing mainly girth work. It's nothing to worry about and I'm sure it will return once you've hit your length goal.
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ya but my point is, I'm planning on retiring from Penis Enlargement SOMEDAY. and it would suck to reach a certain grith after all these hours only for it to disappear.

perhaps my girth gains weren't cemented? or perhaps they weren't gains at all, just increased elasticity in the penile tissues.?:(
 
VK, That is very possible but I do think that there can be a decrease in girth as the penis gets longer. The tissue will lengthen and take away from the girth because the tissue is being pulled longer. I'd honestly not worry about it as BIB said many times that once you've reached your length goal then girth is actually easier to gain because the fibers are stretched longer and by that point the matrix is thinned out so it won't take as long.
 
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VK, That is very possible but I do think that there can be a decrease in girth as the penis gets longer. The tissue will lengthen and take away from the girth because the tissue is being pulled longer. I'd honestly not worry about it as BIB said many times that once you've reached your length goal then girth is actually easier to gain because the fibers are stretched longer and by that point the matrix is thinned out so it won't take as long.
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Technically yes. You should gain per session with IPR. But I guess its best to measure weekly or even biweekly to eliminate measuring inconsistancies.
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I would say at least every other session you should measure...otherwise, say you measure a 0.375" increase after two weeks, but who's to say which sessions those gains came from? It could have been all in the first two sessions.
 
VK, As I understand it the penis is surrounded by what appears to be a web of tissues that forms a matrix, multiple layers over the top of the other in a crossing pattern. When this is stretched the tissue deforms but it does not resume the same dense thickness because the layers are stretched more thinly. That would mean that when lateral pressure is applied there would be more give in the tissues in that direction. That's my understanding of that theory but I'm not 100% sure it's valid but it makes a ton of sense with consideration to how tissue regenerates and what happens when force is exerted on any material this pheomena can be seen.

GM, I don't really think it matters which session is giving gains. It would matter if one session was greatly different from the day before but if the days are consistently the same there is no need to constantly measure. There might be some difference in growth effect from Day 1 to say Day 13 but this would be an appropriate measuring window. Overall if you adhere to the 10% increase session to session then progress should be fairly consistent.
 
i did my 4th session today.
Unfortunately, I cant go longer than 25 mins at 10.5 lbs.. so i have no met the required 10% overload during the past two sessions.

I meausered today and on a best attempt could get the same 19.3 measurement, maybe slightly higher, (19.35 :blush: ). Anyways, I did two sets, first one 10 minutes, second one 15 minutes.

i did some dry jelqs and that was it for today.
 
VK, If you're not meeting the 10% why don't you supplement with manuals? Are you using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] post session?
 
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VK, If you're not meeting the 10% why don't you supplement with manuals? Are you using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] post session?
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Maybe I should. That's a very good Idea
Have the same 25 minute hang time and then add manuals and increase the Manuals by 10% each time. Very good idea.


And I wear a cushion post session, as an ADC to keep me a lil engorged and not permit retraction. I Don't have a comfortable alternative for an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] that I can discretely wear.
 
Have you thought of getting a vac-extender? It's really not noticeable and is really easy to wear. I got in 8 hrs wear time yesterday and I am amazed at my flaccid size improvement since getting it. It's really been a huge help in this pursuit recently.
 
millionman said:
GM, I don't really think it matters which session is giving gains. It would matter if one session was greatly different from the day before but if the days are consistently the same there is no need to constantly measure. There might be some difference in growth effect from Day 1 to say Day 13 but this would be an appropriate measuring window. Overall if you adhere to the 10% increase session to session then progress should be fairly consistent.
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Is this a universal rule of physics that Newton never revealed?:( rofl

I wouldn't bank on that always holding true; I plan on measuring before each session.
 
It's not meant to be a universal law or even a theory. It's actually meant as a way to chart progress without being obsessive. If you feel the need to measure each and every session then by all means go ahead. There should be very little difference between measurements from session to session but over the course of two weeks there should be significant progress. The only times that I see any significant difference in measurements is my pre and post cycle measurements and the one rested measurement I take in the middle of my 7-14 days off. These 3 measurements usually prove to be the only numbers that really mean anything.
 
My dear Penis Enlargement'ers.

I regret to inform those who follow this thread, that my second IPR cycle didn't yield much of a result. I seem to be fluctuating between 19.0 and 19.5 cm, but the increase in length is not steadily there. I have also measured some days slightly below 19.0 at 18.8 cm but that's much more rare than measuring 19.3-4. Still, I do not consider them gains, and merely erection fluctuations or perhaps measuring inconsistancies.


Measuring the Unmeasurables



So let's go back and compare this cycle to the last and try to understand why a 2 week period of time yielded 0.8 cm and another 2 week period did not, considering both had about a month of deconditioning to back them up.

Well there are a number of reasons why I failed.


Deconditioning

When I deconditioned for my first cycle, I was applying around an hour of heat everyday. I understand heat is bad for temporary sperm production, but sperm count is the least of my worries at the time.


Right after my exams in mid december, i had to go serve for three weeks in the army. There was an extreme amount of mental and physical pressure on me, not to mention not being able to do my heat treatments.


Conclusion: I'm guessing heat lets you decondition faster and perhaps helps to get rid of the built up scarr tissue.


Health

I got extremely sick, with a very potent flu, and am just now recovering from it. Sickness might have somehow stunned growth? I was sick throught my I phase, and my sleep wasn't that regular.



Routine

I failed at two things during this cycle. As I mentioned, due to comfort issues, I was unable to keep increasing the load by 10% everytime.

As well, due to the same comfort issues, and illness, I was unable to [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] after hanging.


Conclusion: It's not the hanging that makes you grow unlike what I had believed. It's the ADSing afterwards that promotes growth. I do not have a good [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and will try to get a good one for my next cycle. The increased 10% workload everytime makes sure that the tissues don't adapt to the stress and hence is another very imprtant aspect.



Other factors

Again, due to many sex 'oppurtinities' that I had, i was unable to attain seminal retention and I sincerely believe this hindered my gains.


What I also noticed, is that every morning I've been having painful priapism, which disappeared when I deconed and didn't see in the first cycle.

I'm assuming the priapism is my body's way of telling me that there was too much stress applied.



I doubt I will do the P-phase as I dont have a decent [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]. I'm probably just gonna just decondition soon, and get back to it for my third cycle hopefully with gains this time. I will be using heat and DMSO to decondition.
 
goldmember said:
It seems like you went into this cycle a bit hastily. Maybe try taking two months off for this next cycle.
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I completely Agree.
But the good thing is, every cycle I learn something new about my penis. Interesting little fellow.
 
VK, Learning is the most important thing in Penis Enlargement. If I ever get to a point where I've got it "nailed" then I better have a HUGE cock, otherwise I've still got ways I can improve and refine my approach.

Recently I've shortened the length of my cycles, simply because I've been beat up. I've taken this whole week off and it's been great. I'm starting back up on Sunday and will go until next sunday. That's a 7 day on and 7 day off cycle schedule. It's semetrical and I think it will help me with the mental focus needed over the 7 session days but also it should work well with my work schedule. We'll see what happens.

Have you decided what you're going to do with your next cycle VK?
 
millionman said:
VK, Learning is the most important thing in Penis Enlargement. If I ever get to a point where I've got it "nailed" then I better have a HUGE cock, otherwise I've still got ways I can improve and refine my approach.

Recently I've shortened the length of my cycles, simply because I've been beat up. I've taken this whole week off and it's been great. I'm starting back up on Sunday and will go until next sunday. That's a 7 day on and 7 day off cycle schedule. It's semetrical and I think it will help me with the mental focus needed over the 7 session days but also it should work well with my work schedule. We'll see what happens.

Have you decided what you're going to do with your next cycle VK?
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Hmm, I'd be VERY interested to see how the symmertical routine works for you. Specially 7 days on, 7 days off. So definately keep me updated on how that goes.


The past while I've been doing 10 reps of ULI's (each of which has 10 mini thrusts). I do them First thing in the morning specially when I have a Priapism or very strong morning wood.

I could almost swear that my glans has grown from it :s.
I listen to my body so ever 2 days or so I rest. Or whever I feel fatigued.

I'm gonna keep this as a minimal P-phase (if anything) for the month.
My bpfsl is now a solid 7 3/4. :D.rofl This month I'm gonna be having alot of sex so minimal Penis Enlargement is definately a plus.


I will take a month or so off after to decondition.


I've ordered some sheaths for my max vac... been almost a month and still not a word from BTC ?:( .
 
GM, What fiasco???

VK, I've started back today with my new routine. I'm going to work in the 10% zone for this go around because I feel like just adding reps was starting to take entirely too much time. I will add reps to my first exercise, 1 per hand each session, and I'm going to add time, instead of reps, to my second exercise. I'm using the RB fake arm stretch and the bundled tunica stretch SD for time. I did 6 reps total, 3 each hand, with the RBFAS and I did 2 bouts of 30 seconds with each hand SD. Tomorrow's session will include 2 more reps with the RBFAS and 6 seconds to each rep with the bundled tunica stretch.

I really like the bundled stretch SD as it is very intense and it's directly hitting the tunica even though it is SD. I'm really impressed with the intensity of this stretch.
 
millionman said:
What fiasco???
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In case you haven't heard about BTC, apparently he is ignoring customers and is in a silence about why he isn't shipping products. Apparently, he has no sheaths and instead of shutting the site down temporarily or saying anything, he is in complete silence while still accepting money yet doing nothing about it.
 
goldmember said:
In case you haven't heard about BTC, apparently he is ignoring customers and is in a silence about why he isn't shipping products. Apparently, he has no sheaths and instead of shutting the site down temporarily or saying anything, he is in complete silence while still accepting money yet doing nothing about it.
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Oh really?
I heard the silence is because of the surgery he went through.

He did glans augmentation, lengthening and thickening. Apparently he had dermal grafts to begin with.

I read on the forum how some members found it very hypocritical of BTC to get a lengethining procedure done. They felt that if he has any faith in the product he's promoting, he should've gained much more than any lig cut surgery can promise. I guess he wasn't gaining any length after more than a year of hanging with max-vac.

He also added 2.5" of girth ?:(. Even if he had a 5 inch midshaft girth, that would put him at 7.5" of girth, which is most likely only good for Penis Enlargement forums as not many girls can handle that size.



I'm waiting a couple of more days, if he doesn't get back to me, I'm filing a formal complaint via Paypal.
 
In all honesty I thought that BTC was a shady character the first time he came to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. I guess you could say that I thought his vibe was off. If he's taking money and not shipping product then that is theft and it should be pursued.

How is anyone going to be able to markey a product if they themselves don't utilize it for their own gains?

Vk, Your best bet is to contact pay-pal and get your money back. Also then you go over to http://autoextender.com and get a vac-extender and vacu-hanger as well. There's a package deal that is wicked cheap for the combination. Give it a look and see what you think.
 
What's up my brothas... ?

I know i haven't been posting anything on VK's thread but i sure have been reading it dry mates. As you may know i am yet to start hanging and will soon order some cool stuff from monkeybar's autoextender.com so i won't input any opinions on anything regarding hanging simply cause i got none to give. Zero experience with hanging and i am counting on you guys to help me go through the ropes.

I would like to leave here a question:

Does ANYONE know ANYTHING regarding BIB's new HARDCORE BIB STARTER ?????? I heard it has a new design and no silicone padding whatsoever ... :O That's gotta hurt ?:(

So... Any info on this dudes ?????

BTW, VK ma man... you sir are a VERY dedicated dude man... Nice to be aboard the same boat as you.

Congrats.

Peace

Mike
 
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