millionman said:
VK, where do you get this ADC? Your best bet for [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] is the vac-extender because of the prolonged wear times.

EVO, Why would you follow a 2-3 [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] schedule when you could rest 2-3 days and go back to a length routine and continue to grow new penis? BIB and SWM wrote of great progress when they consistently worked to elongate the penis. With the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] as a support to a length routine you would be able to keep the penis in an elongated state, and it does attempt to heal even in this position. If you rest for 2-3 days your tissues don't completely heal, but they don't become overly tough either. Using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] by itself doesn't seem to be a solution, but I do think a light routine after a 2-3 day break and then ADSing for the rest of the time and along an IPR protocol work to increase the amount of work in a given period of time.

I'm not really sold on IPR, as much as I am on just resting and allowing the penis to recover. For me it's been about progression, using more intense stretches along with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] this has made a huge difference. Rest allows everything to settle down and then you can proceed once you've recovered. I'm working length in 2 week cycles, and then breaking for 4-7 days. This break is really determined by my mindset as well as the condition of my penis. If I'm getting beat up around my glans then I will break for a short while. This seems to be working brilliantly. I'm not really too keen on the idea of just wearing the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] by itself as it doesn't seem like it would be overly productive, although I could be wrong. Some light stretching and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] work would do the trick, at least I think it would.


well, I did a light clamping set with the Air clamp today. I get SO easilyy fatigued with constrictors. I just did a 10 minute clamp/edge set with bends incorprated to 'correct' my curve. Each bend lasted 1 minute. so most of the clamping was oriented towards curve correction.

I'll see how my penis reacts to this. I have been ADC'ing ever since the clamp set and did quite a bit of warm up/ cool down. The Air Clamp is quite mild and doesn't 'explode' the penis like Cable Clamps so I like it for now better than cable clamps.


The CTC Stallion Cock Cushions are by far the BEST Penis Enlargement investment I have ever made. I highly recommend the whole set. but if you wanna just get one, get the E model.

I would consider the vacu [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] from autoextender, but at the moment I don't have the financial resources, so it's gonna have to wait until after the holidays.


Even though I know I should stick to the protocol, I'm giving this girth cycle a try one session at a time. If I lose any size, I'm stopping right away.


Any input about this is greatly appreciated.
 
I think that if you are successful with this routine then I would ride it out for a bit and see where it could take you. If you're continuing to gain, why would you change anything? IPR is in many ways about finding your "sweet spot" and staying in that until gains run out. I think adhering to anyone else's program or routine at this stage of your Penis Enlargement career is only going to be productive to a certain extenet. As we know in the Penis Enlargement universe no system has been set in place and not everyone will benefit from certain individual laws or theories, but we can LEARN from them and apply them to ourselves as individuals.

VK, stick with what works for you. I've found that working length more than girth is helping me to gain in BOTH areas although I'm only working girth for three sessions every two weeks. I don't know if everyone could gain from this, or if they could gain from such short length sessions either. It is working for me right now. Once you've ridden that wave as long as you can, then you should break for a bit, setup a new plan, and gather yourself for your next phase. It's all about progression and working to make better decisions for yourself individually.

When is your next length cycle?
 
What are your thoughts on using IPR strategy with only manual stretches and jelqs?

I was thinking that the progression would be in added time stretching and say 10-20% more jelqs each session.

IE: day 1 -- 10 min stretches, 150 jelqs, day 4 -- 15 min stretches, 180 jelqs, etc.

Thanks
 
WOW VK CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!

This really give me hope. I havent started my IPR yet. But will do soon.
 
Bigcharlie, That progression sounds fine. You can follow the general 10% rule with any routine you choose. Just make sure that you increase the amount of work done by 10% each consecutive workout until you go into a proliferation phase, and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and then rest and decondition. That's how it goes.

I don't adhere to a pure IPR routine, but that's just me knowing and understanding my body. How long have you been involved with Penis Enlargement BC?
 
Off and on for several years now... but I never saw any concrete gains, got frustrated, and quit. I've pretty much given up as it seemed pointless, even when I got up to 17-20 lbs hanging weights.

A lack of success has really dampened my motivation, and I often see Penis Enlargement as a chore and not as a positive activity.

Hopefully some results from IPR would restore my interest again..
 
millionman said:
I think that if you are successful with this routine then I would ride it out for a bit and see where it could take you. If you're continuing to gain, why would you change anything? IPR is in many ways about finding your "sweet spot" and staying in that until gains run out. I think adhering to anyone else's program or routine at this stage of your Penis Enlargement career is only going to be productive to a certain extenet. As we know in the Penis Enlargement universe no system has been set in place and not everyone will benefit from certain individual laws or theories, but we can LEARN from them and apply them to ourselves as individuals.

VK, stick with what works for you. I've found that working length more than girth is helping me to gain in BOTH areas although I'm only working girth for three sessions every two weeks. I don't know if everyone could gain from this, or if they could gain from such short length sessions either. It is working for me right now. Once you've ridden that wave as long as you can, then you should break for a bit, setup a new plan, and gather yourself for your next phase. It's all about progression and working to make better decisions for yourself individually.

When is your next length cycle?


Very well said.
I'm planning my next length cycle mid January.
 
bigcharlie said:
What are your thoughts on using IPR strategy with only manual stretches and jelqs?

I was thinking that the progression would be in added time stretching and say 10-20% more jelqs each session.

IE: day 1 -- 10 min stretches, 150 jelqs, day 4 -- 15 min stretches, 180 jelqs, etc.

Thanks

That should be fine. The only problem with manual stretches is that there is no way of guaging how much force is being applied to the penis. You wouldn't wanna apply too much stress as it would send you to the overtrain zone. Hanging (specially with a vacuum hanger) is accurate in terms of the weight applied and the force applied can be maintained for much longer than with manuals. Also, try to increase workload by about 10% every time.. so first time you do 150 jelqs, day 4 you do 165, Day 7 you did (1.1 x 165) and etc.
 
millionman said:
Bigcharlie, That progression sounds fine. You can follow the general 10% rule with any routine you choose. Just make sure that you increase the amount of work done by 10% each consecutive workout until you go into a proliferation phase, and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and then rest and decondition. That's how it goes.

I don't adhere to a pure IPR routine, but that's just me knowing and understanding my body. How long have you been involved with Penis Enlargement BC?

So I just re-stated what you had already said. Damnit! Always a step ahead>:( >:(
 
bigcharlie said:
Off and on for several years now... but I never saw any concrete gains, got frustrated, and quit. I've pretty much given up as it seemed pointless, even when I got up to 17-20 lbs hanging weights.

A lack of success has really dampened my motivation, and I often see Penis Enlargement as a chore and not as a positive activity.

Hopefully some results from IPR would restore my interest again..

Definately give this a try. But try to be patient with the weights and slowly increase the amount of weight hanging off your penis. Too much weight too fast wont give you the gains that IPR promises.
 
VK, I wouldn't necessarily say that with manuals you can pull on your penis so hard during an abbreviated session that you would enter the overtraining/overstretching zone. There really isn't that fine of a line between the two. I think with manuals you look for the deepest stretch and work in the areas that are the tightest, whether it's a SD or SU stretch. Consistent tension applied with the hands is very safe, and I've gained most of my length from manuals. I think the biggest difference in this whole equation is the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and consistency of my routines. I work to increase by 10% in some way whether it's length of time a stretch is held, total number of stretches, or the types of stretches performed (bundled v. basic).

Like I've said before I think it's more important to train in the weak areas, or in the penis' case the tight spots, and work this for a time and then move to another weakness. It's finding limiting factors, is all.
 
millionman said:
VK, I wouldn't necessarily say that with manuals you can pull on your penis so hard during an abbreviated session that you would enter the overtraining/overstretching zone. There really isn't that fine of a line between the two. I think with manuals you look for the deepest stretch and work in the areas that are the tightest, whether it's a SD or SU stretch. Consistent tension applied with the hands is very safe, and I've gained most of my length from manuals. I think the biggest difference in this whole equation is the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] and consistency of my routines. I work to increase by 10% in some way whether it's length of time a stretch is held, total number of stretches, or the types of stretches performed (bundled v. basic).

Like I've said before I think it's more important to train in the weak areas, or in the penis' case the tight spots, and work this for a time and then move to another weakness. It's finding limiting factors, is all.


You may be right on that one. I personally have never gained from 'stretching', even though almost all my previous length gains (close to two inches) came from jelqing and manual work. But I was never a fan of manual stretching and doing it alone never yeilded any gains for me. But then again neither did hanging with the BIB for 4 15 minute sets everday for 2 months. I guess when your overtrained, the penis turns into concrete. Impossible to stretch.
 
Just as an update, I am now experimenting with a double IPR routine. The length cycle finished and I gained 0.8 cm from it. The gains as of today are still there.

I did my first girth session on Saturday, December 2nd, and after two days of rest my Second girth session yesterday.

Here's my routine.


I thoroughly warm up
for about 15 to 20 minutes with the air heater. You could use a hot bath or hot compress but I prefer this way because it's dry.


I edge or balloon for at least 30 minutes. I get some quality adult entertainment and I edge with long strokes that cover the whole shaft. I go as close to the point of no return as I can and I GENTLY squeeze my BC muscle. (note: if you squeeze your PC muscle hard it will make you ejaculate).

To redirect Energy: Experiencing Multi ogasms

I then stand up, do a strong kegel and squeeze my buttcheeks together as hard as I can. This rushes the sexual energy to the base of the spine. I then try moving this energy up the spine by doing mini kegels and mini inhilations. If you have no experience with the internal arts just remember this. Where Thought goes, Energy follows. so THINK of the energy building up right at the base of your spine as you squeeze your buttcheeks, then imagine this energy moving up your spine, everytime you do the inhilation until you move it into your head and into your crown chakrah. Bring this energy from the base of your spine to your head 9 times. By now if you've been doing it right, your errection quality has subsided quite a bit. Restimulate yourself to an errection and repeat this three times.

After withholding from ejaculation 3 times, i keep stimulating myself but by only touching 'non trigger areas'. For example, right underneath the glans is a trigger area and touching it will make you ejaculate. So I try massaging and stroking the sides of my penis (the CC chambers) and every now and then I massage behind the balls to relieve tension in the BC muscle. The goal is to maintain this level of arousal for about 30 minutes without ejaculation.


Everytime we get close to ejacualtion we burn alot of testostrone and convert it into Dihydrotestrostrone ( or DHT). As discussed in another thread, scientific studies have been done to prove DHT's positive effect on the growth of penile tissue. So by now I've drenched my penis in DHT for about 30 minutes, and there's alot of DHT rich blood in my penis. Penile balooning method advocates that this DHT rich blood will make the penis grow and one can ejaculate after holding back for 3times. I however believe that ejaculation will slow down the repair and proliferation phase.

I masturbated on Sunday and as a result, I was still a little fatigued (and not recovered) yesterday. So my advice would be not ejaculating for the two weeks of doing the girth cylce.



NOTE: At the End of the whole girth session You MUST exit the energy out of your head by touching your tongue to the roof of your mouth and imagining the energy moving from your head onto your face, down your throat, past your heart and stored into your stomach. If you don't, you will start noticing very bad headaches, and some other ill effects as this energy is not meant to be indefinately stored in the head (crown charka)


NOTE: Please don't try this until you read the book 'The Multi-Orgasmic Man by Mantak Chia. In the mean time just try edging until your close to ejaculation and then hold back. Do NOT ejacualte! get up , do some push ups or do whatever you can until your erection has gone down. This will achieve the same amount of DHT in your penis. Do this three times and do the rest of the routine



After doing this three times and for 30 mintues you have a very pliable penis. Let your errection subside a little (either by leaving it alone and walking around, or by doing another 'energy draw into the head'. you basically want a flacid penis with alot of blood in it. You don't want a hard tunica.


Now I start jelqing with a very firm grip. after about 50 jelqs I'm around 60-70 % errect. These first 50 jelqs are not counted in the total jelq count as they serve to get the penis in the desired state. I now I jelq for half the required amount of jelqs. (for first session I started with 150 so, I did 50 jelqs to get into the 60-70% erection level and then I did 75 jelqs. I do another 75 at the end of my routine.)


By the end of 75 jelqs the penis is filled with blood, but still not quite errect. I wrap at the base, and put on the air clamp. (if you're using cable clamps, just make sure you don't tighten it all the way down to a MAXIMUM constrictor. just enough to cause expansion and a slight internal stretch. I highly recommend the air clamp as it prevents the erection from subsiding, and the pressure exerted isn't too extreme.)

I edge for two minutes in the clamp. I then do bends each lasting 60 seconds. I have a curve to the left so I skip bend to that direction since I wanna correct it. The bend should be slight and the pressure exerted should only gradually increase. Don't all of a sudden snap your dick in half. Go very gradual about this. You're penis is deconditioned and you don't wanna damage yourself, and trust me you can EASILY injure yourself now. You have to take extra care as the same exercises you were doing pre-decon will potentially hurt you post-decon.


So I do one 60 second set to the right, if my erection has subsided (which is likely after a minute of bends) I release pressure from the air clamp, restimulate myself to a full errection, re-apply pressure and then do another bend in the same dirrection. Then I do two in the downward direction. followed by another in the right direction and another in the downward dirrection. I have an upward curve and a left curve, so you guys can focus on all four directions if you want.


I'm now at the 8 minute mark. I restimulate myself to full erection and stay in the clamp for another 2 minutes. Total of 10 minutes in the Clamp.

Take the clamp off, and do 75 jelqs.

then wear a cock cushion (or a cock ring) for the rest of the day, followed by two complete rest days. I do warm up/ warm down during rest days to enhance recovery.




Yesterday, I increased the amount of time in the clamp by one minute. And increased the total number of jelqs by 10% (or 15 jelqs).

I also warm down with heat, or IR lamp for another 5-10 minutes


Tell me what you guys think of this routine.


The whole thing should take :

Warm up 15 minutes
Edging 30 minutes
Jelqing 5 minutes
Clamp 10 minutes
Jelqing 5 minutes
Warm down 5 minutes


Total 70 minutes. But only 20 minutes of it is actual manual Penis Enlargement.


Tell me what you guys think.
 
That sounds a good routine, very similar to my 8week girth routine. I still edge now as I believe it's benefitial to proliferation and recovery, I also think it helps my athletic recovery and feeling of confidence/well-being.
When in ADC do you maintain an erection? When I adc I go flaccid... but a big flaccid:P . I also ANC... lightly, because I get good erections at night.
 
looks good to me, how intense do you clamp? for the last 1 or 2 sessions you could continue the edging in the clamp just to increase the intensity, just an idea. but hey dont listen to me im the one with the damn clamping injury <:( >:( :blush:
 
VK, You might consider how much time you're going to edge. You could spend this time edging in the clamp, or maybe reduce the time down to 5-10 minutes to get hard enough to go into the clamp. That's what seems to work best for me, as I can get much better expansion internally if I edge in the clamp. Although from my perspective I'm not edging, as I'm actually working to stay completely erect while clamped so I can continue to maintain that 100-110% expansion for 10 minute sets. I think the biggest problem that I have is that I end up having 10 minute sets of clamping and jelqing and it gets a bit monotonous.
 
gimmegirth said:
That sounds a good routine, very similar to my 8week girth routine. I still edge now as I believe it's benefitial to proliferation and recovery, I also think it helps my athletic recovery and feeling of confidence/well-being.
When in ADC do you maintain an erection? When I adc I go flaccid... but a big flaccid:P . I also ANC... lightly, because I get good erections at night.

No no, you don't want to be HARD while ADCing. Just a bit of of blood in the penis to restrict it from retracting completely will get the job done. If you get errect a couple of times during the day, oh well, that just helps.
 
EVO said:
looks good to me, how intense do you clamp? for the last 1 or 2 sessions you could continue the edging in the clamp just to increase the intensity, just an idea. but hey dont listen to me im the one with the damn clamping injury <:( >:( :blush:



LOL at <:( >:( :blush:

hahahahah jokes.

I don't go intense at all compared to what I used to put my dick through while clamping. With the Air clamp you don't need to 'edge' while in the clamp. It magically maintains your erection even if you don't touch your dick and think about ugly fat men naked. If you do think of ugly fat naked men, and you take the air clamp off and you still have an erection, then please seak professional help.
 
millionman said:
VK, You might consider how much time you're going to edge. You could spend this time edging in the clamp, or maybe reduce the time down to 5-10 minutes to get hard enough to go into the clamp. That's what seems to work best for me, as I can get much better expansion internally if I edge in the clamp. Although from my perspective I'm not edging, as I'm actually working to stay completely erect while clamped so I can continue to maintain that 100-110% expansion for 10 minute sets. I think the biggest problem that I have is that I end up having 10 minute sets of clamping and jelqing and it gets a bit monotonous.


I see what you mean, but edging prior to clamping isn't meant to give me expansion. I'm trying to tackle the whole 'penile balooning'/ DHT concepts(and it will give me a greater amount of ejaculatory control... not that I need more... 2 minutes is more than enough time for any woman.) I agree with you though. With Cable clamps, you NEED to edge to maintain a 110% erection for 10 minutes. But with the airclamp you don't. Whatever you manage to have at the time of applying the air clamp, will stay put during the time you're in the clamp.
 
millionman said:
Hmmm....maybe I should look into buying an air clamp. That could be interesting.

I highly recommend it. The only thing I wish I did is getting the larger model. The standard model is slightly small for my base girth. It's reasonably priced too.
 
I have an air clamp but did not get on too well with it, I ended up lining my cable clamp with a bead of clear silicone sealant.

Do you have any idea why or how the air clamp maintains the erection without stimulation or edging and the cable clamp does not?

Maybe I should get the air clamp out of retirement for another try.
 
bluenun said:
I have an air clamp but did not get on too well with it, I ended up lining my cable clamp with a bead of clear silicone sealant.

Do you have any idea why or how the air clamp maintains the erection without stimulation or edging and the cable clamp does not?

Maybe I should get the air clamp out of retirement for another try.


You know I have no idea. But I think it could be, because of how pressure is applied, which is uniform all around the penis. I guess it successfully blocks out almost all pathways OUT of the penis, or at least slows them down to a MUCH slower rate than blood comming in. I have tried 'Multi-Clamping', But the Effect isn't the same.
 
Hmmm...I like dual clamping for the internal stretch. I think one of the biggest issues with clamping is the wrap. If you can't get the wrap right then you will have trouble with standard clamping. Since the cuff of the air clamp inflates to a uniform pressure seal around the shaft. This would be easier to learn and have consistent sessions. At the same time I've read a bit about the internal stretch not being as high in comparison to standard clamps. I have no idea one way or the other. Dual clamping after a pumping set is definitely a solid workout almost every time. I say almost because sometimes I'll get really sleepy during a session and I end up not having a solid session. Those are usually the nights before a 4-7 day break.

VK, Are you still working the girth routine as you outlined?
 
millionman said:
Hmmm...I like dual clamping for the internal stretch. I think one of the biggest issues with clamping is the wrap. If you can't get the wrap right then you will have trouble with standard clamping. Since the cuff of the air clamp inflates to a uniform pressure seal around the shaft. This would be easier to learn and have consistent sessions. At the same time I've read a bit about the internal stretch not being as high in comparison to standard clamps. I have no idea one way or the other. Dual clamping after a pumping set is definitely a solid workout almost every time. I say almost because sometimes I'll get really sleepy during a session and I end up not having a solid session. Those are usually the nights before a 4-7 day break.

VK, Are you still working the girth routine as you outlined?

ya double (or triple) clamping is VERY intense. I don't think I could handle it right now even though I usd to ALWAYS multi clamp whenever I had a clamp session. i had blood come out of my penis a couple of times though and really don't want that to happen again.


Today will be the third day of my girth session. I haven't gained any girth so far.


Measuring girth has always been very inconsistent as it depends on the level of arousal. I would say three girth measurments exist:

1) dry girth
2) warm girth
3) faux girth


1) Dry Girth

This is the girth measured at your midshaft when you get an erection. If you're watching adult entertainment, or masturbating without any prior penile stimmulation.

As I measured last night, My Dry Girth is 13.5 cm.


2) warm girth
This is the girth measured at midshaft when you have warmed up a bit. For example if you do 100 jelqs, a couple of uli's before reaching maximum erection, or if you measure right at the beginning of your first clamping session, right when you apply the clamp. I always thought this is the most consistent method because it is not considering any fluid build up (because its the beginning of the set) and it is showing you, everytime, the maximum penile volume capacity. This is to girth what BPFSL is to length.

As I measured last night, My warm girth is 15.6 cm. ( seemed to have lost some warm girth as my previous measurements before my decon break were 16-16.2 cm) Perhaps this loss just means that warm girth is an indicator of how elastic the penile tissue is. Hence inhibiting one's ability to cause plastic deformation to trigger permenant 'Dry' girth gains.




3) faux girth



This is the girth measured at midshaft after a heavy duty girth session.


I haven't measured my faux girth lately as my previous two sessions weren't intense enough to yeild that much faux girth expansion. Most of this girth is due to fluid build up. I used to measure anywhere around 17 to 17.5 cm depending on how much time I spent clamping.




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I conclude that the most reliable of the three is the Dry girth measurment. It is also the most dissapointing one. I think we as men love to lie about size. So much so that we even lie to ourselves. Well I have anyways. According to this method of measuring, I am at 13.5 cm midshaft girth almost an inch smaller than my 'warmed' up erection. I will be using this as a way to guage my progress.

I wanted to see if others here have found such inconsistancies between their dry and warm girth measurements?


I will still claim 8 inches of midshaft girth when talking about my dick size with girls.>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :cool:
 
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I've got the same changes in girth, it's totally normal.

I just quit measuring girth a few months after I started because it changes so much. Sometimes I swear it's like 4.5, and other days it's like 5.5... Normal condoms fit well, so I just have it in my mind that it's normal rofl . As long as I feel it getting bigger in my hand I'll just ignore it.
 
spinner2 said:
I've got the same changes in girth, it's totally normal.

I just quit measuring girth a few months after I started because it changes so much. Sometimes I swear it's like 4.5, and other days it's like 5.5... Normal condoms fit well, so I just have it in my mind that it's normal rofl . As long as I feel it getting bigger in my hand I'll just ignore it.

lol
Ya I know what you mean. On a dry errection, I can roll a regular condom on with ease. But when 'warmed up', even Magnums are hard to put on. The only comfortable ones so far have been Mangum XL's. Trojan XXL's are too tight too. But they're long as hell. I could probably wear them two fold.
 
Just as an update. I didn't really get to do my 'girth session' today.

I did the Edging except right after each energy draw I did 50 jelqs.

Something very interesting happened. I was feeling EXTREMELY fatigued in the base due to the jelqs. ?:( These were very mild jelqs at around 40-50% erect, but I felt the same amount of fatigue as I would from an hour of hanging.

Unfortunately I had an 'accident' right when I applied the clamp. So I didn't get to do the clamping thing today. I will monitor to see if I gained anything from this sequence of jelqing (although ejaculation could have possibly hindered any potential gains).

Also noted, was that after clamping, my penis feels like it was ran over by a truck and if I don't ADC, it will turtle up. A clear sign of too much stress. Maybe I'll take it easy with Clamping for a while.

Does anyone know if anyone's gained girth from just jelqing?
 
VK, my first 6 months of Penis Enlargement all I did was basic stretches and jelq for 300-600 reps. I did take breaks occasionally but only because of time constraints.

I've noticed a similar phenomena with my stretching routine. After the first 4-5 days of stretching I tend to have a slight turtling after I take the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] off for the night. I definitely don't seem to hang longer, but then again it has JUST gotten cold down here. I think our high today was somewhere in the 20s, and I definitely was not hangin' low. I think that's got more to do with it than anything else.

I've actually developed a very sensitive spot right behind the ridge of my glans on the top side. It seems to be a bit of raised skin area that flares up and causes bouts of pain, more of an overly sensitive pain than aything else. After a day or so of rest it's gone, but of all the time I've Penis Enlargemented I've never had this.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
My base girth is slightly over 7".

(only if I had that girth midshaft :s :s <:( <:(>:( >:( :blush: :blush:

What was your starting base girth VK? If you have made base girth gains, what activities caused these gains?
My base is the thickest part of my member (6-6.2") I'm pulling it further and further out with hanging... then I can use some expansion exercises on it (push for 6.5rofl )

I'm also interested inthe ballooning theory which is why I edge, I'm also an athlete so the more test/DHT inthe blood the better!
Do you kegel at all in this edging period? 'cos I read that this would cause the test/dht to hit the PC rather than the penile tissues???:(

I'm also interested in the DHT gel thing... just waiting to see what the other guys find when using it.
 
millionman said:
VK, my first 6 months of Penis Enlargement all I did was basic stretches and jelq for 300-600 reps. I did take breaks occasionally but only because of time constraints.

I've noticed a similar phenomena with my stretching routine. After the first 4-5 days of stretching I tend to have a slight turtling after I take the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] off for the night. I definitely don't seem to hang longer, but then again it has JUST gotten cold down here. I think our high today was somewhere in the 20s, and I definitely was not hangin' low. I think that's got more to do with it than anything else.

I've actually developed a very sensitive spot right behind the ridge of my glans on the top side. It seems to be a bit of raised skin area that flares up and causes bouts of pain, more of an overly sensitive pain than aything else. After a day or so of rest it's gone, but of all the time I've Penis Enlargemented I've never had this.


Hydromaxm, maybe you should switch to hanging from manuals.


have you gained any 'dry girth'? and do you think jelqing alone can produce such gains?

I think I have IPR figured out for length, but girth seems to be different.
 
gimmegirth said:
What was your starting base girth VK? If you have made base girth gains, what activities caused these gains?
My base is the thickest part of my member (6-6.2") I'm pulling it further and further out with hanging... then I can use some expansion exercises on it (push for 6.5rofl )

I'm also interested inthe ballooning theory which is why I edge, I'm also an athlete so the more test/DHT inthe blood the better!
Do you kegel at all in this edging period? 'cos I read that this would cause the test/dht to hit the PC rather than the penile tissues???:(

I'm also interested in the DHT gel thing... just waiting to see what the other guys find when using it.


To be honest with you I never measured my base girth before Penis Enlargement. But even half way through Penis Enlargement my base girth was small. Somewhere around 5 I would say? Again, I never measured, but I'll see if I can post a comparison picture from then.

I guess what caused my base girth was clamping. And my 'dry base girth' is around 7 inches mind you. Which is interesting to say the least. The area UNDER the clamp actually gained dry girth, where as the rest of the penis just became more elastic with gains seen in 'warm' girth. ?:(



Also, it's interesting what you say about kegeling taking the DHT away from penile tissue. I'd never heard that. Do you wanna elaborate on that? I'd be very interested in hearing about this.
 
As a measuring update:

My BPFSL is now 19.7 cm. Or slightly over the 7" 3/4 mark.
My BPenis EnlargementL is now a comfortable 19.0 cm. I haven't tried a maximum erection measurement lately.

Just wanted to note that the gains have so far stayed rofl and that I'll be officially changing my sig
 
VK, I've gained almost an inch in "dry" girth. I've never really qualified it as that. I usually take measurements cold or post-session. My cold measurements are after more than a week or more off, as far as girth is concerned. Girth has always been hard to nail down, as you can go back through some of my posts where I have said I measured at 5.75" in girth. That measurement has happened on more than a few measurements, but after an extended break it settles back down to a 5.6" or so measurement. I really don't fluctuate that much usually, but I have measured larger on days and smaller on others. It's really a struggle for me to gain in the girth department, or at least I think so. In truth I've probably progressively gained girth throughout Penis Enlargement, but it just takes so long to notice a change that it doesn't ever seem like much.

I gained from jelqing alone. I still do jelq, either dry or wet doesn't really matter, and it really helps when you're going to taper off your girth work. It's a great way to maintain an extended state without causing too much stress. It's an awesome movement to increase blood flow, speed recovery, expand both chambers with light pressure, and it feels pretty good. I don't think most men ever figure out that you only need around 3-400 at one time to notice improvement. I'd keep the volume LOW and work everyday and see where I ended up. That's how I've always used jelqs, as I feel it is a staple of any girth routine.
 
Painful Pleasur said:
wow. 0.8cm time to break out the champagne :s

that's merely a difference of erection/measurement/blood flow if you ask me.

geez man.. He hasn't gained in 2 years.. This is a huge accomplishment if you ask me.. If i didnt gain for a whole 2 yrs then finaly gained ANYTHING id be ecstatic.

Not to be a dick or anything but.. it just seems every post I see by you seems to be negative towards the other person. Why are you always such a jerk?

EDIT:

GRATS VK! Woohoo~! Keep up the good work.
 
millionman said:
VK, I've gained almost an inch in "dry" girth. I've never really qualified it as that. I usually take measurements cold or post-session. My cold measurements are after more than a week or more off, as far as girth is concerned. Girth has always been hard to nail down, as you can go back through some of my posts where I have said I measured at 5.75" in girth. That measurement has happened on more than a few measurements, but after an extended break it settles back down to a 5.6" or so measurement. I really don't fluctuate that much usually, but I have measured larger on days and smaller on others. It's really a struggle for me to gain in the girth department, or at least I think so. In truth I've probably progressively gained girth throughout Penis Enlargement, but it just takes so long to notice a change that it doesn't ever seem like much.

I gained from jelqing alone. I still do jelq, either dry or wet doesn't really matter, and it really helps when you're going to taper off your girth work. It's a great way to maintain an extended state without causing too much stress. It's an awesome movement to increase blood flow, speed recovery, expand both chambers with light pressure, and it feels pretty good. I don't think most men ever figure out that you only need around 3-400 at one time to notice improvement. I'd keep the volume LOW and work everyday and see where I ended up. That's how I've always used jelqs, as I feel it is a staple of any girth routine.

wow, an inch in 'dry girth'? That's alot and if our understanding of 'dry girth' is the same, then that's much more impressive than 'cold measurements.'
Post session, is a very unrelieable way of measuring as there are too many variables at hand.

The best way would be to measure after at least a couple of days off of Penis Enlargement, and to get an erection and just measure it midshaft. (this is what I call dry girth). If I clamp my erection at the base with my hand, or with a cock ring, or a cable clamp, I instantly measure around 14.7 cm. around half an inch thicker. If Let the erection stay for a while or do a couple of uli's and/or jelqs and within minutes I expand to around 15.5-7 cm. This is what I refer to as 'warmed up girth'. Its the maximum size achievable under the pressure provided by the cock ring, or my hand. If I take that off at the base, the girth drops down to around 15.3 cm. So I'm guessing my 'circulatory' system isn't accustomed yet to the new size developement to rush enough blood in to make the tissue expand to its fullest potential. Maybe this is something I should tackle.
 
slics said:
geez man.. He hasn't gained in 2 years.. This is a huge accomplishment if you ask me.. If i didnt gain for a whole 2 yrs then finaly gained ANYTHING id be ecstatic.

Not to be a dick or anything but.. it just seems every post I see by you seems to be negative towards the other person. Why are you always such a jerk?

EDIT:

GRATS VK! Woohoo~! Keep up the good work.


Thanks alot buddy.
 
Pandora said:
Congrats VK :)

thanks man. If it weren't for your, umm.. 'contirbutions' to the adult entertainment sections in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words], I wouldn't have half of the files I use as 'edging material'. So My thanks for those.... ;) and keep them comming >:(
 
Something I've noticed is for me to get an appropriate measurement I have to be turned on. I mean I have to be aroused to the point where my CS fills and my CCs expand completely. That is what I call a FULL erection, because most of the time for me if I don't reverse kegel on anything short of completely hard my measurement can be as low as 5.25" because the CCs won't be expanded and have a flat appearance and the CS will be bloodless. I've gained a good bit of girth over my Penis Enlargement career, but I'm still not where I want to be.

My next cycle is another length cycle. I'm taking this week off, and will be back on next week. How are things going so far this week VK?
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
thanks man. If it weren't for your, umm.. 'contirbutions' to the adult entertainment sections in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words], I wouldn't have half of the files I use as 'edging material'. So My thanks for those.... ;) and keep them comming >:(

Heheheheh :D.
 
millionman said:
Something I've noticed is for me to get an appropriate measurement I have to be turned on. I mean I have to be aroused to the point where my CS fills and my CCs expand completely. That is what I call a FULL erection, because most of the time for me if I don't reverse kegel on anything short of completely hard my measurement can be as low as 5.25" because the CCs won't be expanded and have a flat appearance and the CS will be bloodless. I've gained a good bit of girth over my Penis Enlargement career, but I'm still not where I want to be.

My next cycle is another length cycle. I'm taking this week off, and will be back on next week. How are things going so far this week VK?


Well I'm getting pounded by exams. I did 3 girth sessions, each followed by 2 days of rest. They were all 'clamping oriented'. After those, initially because of lack of time, I decided to stick to a jelq only program.

My fourth session was around 500 jelqs: Edging to near climax, pausing (doing the energy draw as I described) and then with a 'spongy' feeling penis doing 50 jelqs. I did this ten times.

It felt very good and not intense at all. I used to do 1000 jelqs without a problem so 500 seemed like a good amount without risking overtraining.

As I often am, I was wrong. The next day in the morning I had an episode of Priapism, which lasted around 20 minutes. I've mentioned how I used to get these almost everyday, but ever since stopping Penis Enlargement, taking a decon and working within my limits, it stopped happening. So I concluded that 500 jelqs is too much.


I will be experimenting with jelqing until December 18th, this comming monday, and I will take another decon break until mid January.


I want my next cycle to be designed such that I gain 1.0 cm in length, and 0.5 cm in girth.
 
VK, How are you going to design it to ensure that is your outcome?

I've taken this whole week off and I'm able to pull my penis up to the middle of my belly button. At the end of my last length cycle, last week, I could reach this mark but only post stretch session. I'm not wearing an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] or doing any sort of support work. I think that once you reach a maximum stretch length and then allow that to heal then you end up with more penis post maximum length. I'm think that I've gained close to an 1/8 of an inch just from resting, at least that's what it seems like. It could be a mix of constant stress and then rest not only heals the tissue but the penis becomes revitalized and the tissue softens and becomes pliable again.

I'm thinking in terms of FR in the latter portion of that paragraph. If you keep the tissue under constant tension it will grow, but keeping it under constant tension all of the time it does not grow as quickly. In my initial attempts to regrow my foreskin I did my best to keep the skin under constant tension. Eventually I read a thread started by Kong that discussed taking the tension off of the penis and the skin being able to regenerate new cells more quickly. If you keep the tension constant the skin doesn't relax and this may retard the growth process, or at worst prolong it. I think this may be a similar phenomena that I'm seeing with my stretch routines. It seems that when I rest I end up gaining length, although as I said this is a number or visual that I've gotten before but only in a certain circumstance.
 
I deconditioned for a bit longer than I had intended, but I really didn't feel like Peing much in the last 10-12 days so I didn't. I've cut back the number of reps as well. I'm starting with as little manual work as I can to see how much or in this case how little you can do and still gain. I'm noticing improvements, but then again it's only been two days. I did two rounds of basic stretches SO yesterday, and today I went up to 3 rounds. I'll stay with 3 rounds for at least 2 more sessions. On the second round today I felt fatigue on both sides of the tunica when I pulled to the left and right respectively. I think this is a good sign for an extended deconditioning period.
 
Well, a two week length cycle goes for 2 whole weeks or 14 days. This is kind of dependent upon how beat up my penis gets. If I'm cruising along and still progressing it's a full 14 days but sometimes the skin will get irritated or my glans will get hard and bruise a bit and then I'll take some time off.
 
Hey guys. I was gonna start a new thread about this but thought it would be most beneficial if I posted the rest of this journey here.

As many of you know I had been stuck for a little over two years behind a brick wall that kept me from gaining any length.

I had a BPFSL of 7 5/8th (19.3 cm) and a BPenis EnlargementL of around 18.0~18.2 cm.
After my last IPR cycle, I gained around 0.8 cm.
I am now comming back after around a month of decon and did my first routine which was a warm up of jelqs and very light hanging of 7.5 lbs for 2 20 minute sets. My dick couldn't handle anymore than 20 minutes at a time due to the deconditioning. I didn't feel any stretch from that routine but it counts as a warm up.

I did my first routine of hanging for 34 minutes at 10.5 lbs while erect.

I'm going to be testing this way of hanging during this cycle to see how much gains is possible through errect hanging.

What I do is I place a CTC cushion right behind my glans, and i get errect and apply a constrictor at the base (i initially used another cushion at the base during my first cycle but this time experimented with the air clamp which is much more constricting). Then I push my glans into the cycliner as much as possible and then slowly push the CTC cushion behind my glans into the cylinder. This will force some blood out of the glans to make it fit into the cylinder, while forming a tight seal with the cylinder. As an extra I roll a max vac sheath over the max vac cylinder and roll the other half onto my penis, so that half of it is on the cylinder and the other half on my dick. This will ensure that the seal wont break. i apply some vacuum to suck the head in if its not already completley in.

i watch around 2 minutes of adult entertainment to gain full erection again and do some hard kegels... I then attach the weight and SLOWLY let go... the stretch along the shaft is amazing and i find that the tunica is getting stretched way more than the ligs.


here is a measured pic. You have to forgive me if its not up to standards, I tried my best and i still couldn't fully straighten my curve and kept losing some of my erection. On a normal measure it reads exactly 19.0 cm. Again my appologies for the quality of the photo but this photo is not a bragging photo (which i will be posting when I reach 9x7:blush: :s ). This picture is to serve two points:

1) to show that my gains from more than a month of decon are still there.

we (me and a few other members) had quite a bit of concern if my gains were temporary. Fortunately, so far they've been solid.

and
2) to compare progress if I am to gain from this cycle.

This pic was taken before I started my cycle, and shows a dry, un-assisted erection, bent parallel to the ground. I have an erection angle of around 12 O'clock so its very tough to bring it down to 9 O'clock without losing some blood.


I'm planning this cycle to gain around 1-1.2 cm. :s Wish me luck.
 
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