Possible breakthrough in PE

I'm with SWM on this matter and 2nd every single word he says.

MaxVelco,
All your explanation sounds like the ones of this Doc Soandso(forget name) and his ballooning technique.
All this hormone(DHT)-explanation is just pseudo-science and not proven to enlarge your penis whereas it's proven by many members of the Penis Enlargement-community that hard work(jelq, squeeze, stretch) will bring you there.
As well your comment(or the Doc's one) about erection angle is pure BS! When your ligs are stretched after several month(years) from downward manuals or hanging it doesn't matter how rockhard your erection is, it will have always a lower exerting point and angle. The same counts for guys which are born with such a lig mark-up(aka natural low angle).
The only proven way to correct this (if desired) are upward stretches to make the inner penis grow.
But you just started out, so try your technique and report back.
I'm looking forward to your results.

umm, can you explain again how you do this? You just get super erect and start taking a shit? ?

This all sounds like utter bullshit to me.

yea it is, very interesting site i must say but sometimes it can get confusing. At first i didn't understand what he was talking about. BUt yea until i realized i was able to do this al along it's like woh what was i missin out on. Well it seems to be working for me and hopefully i'll telly uo my results after a month or so. But no it's not bullshit, I know that the entire body has receptors, like the muscles, they are very mucht he same receptors where they adapt and learn to stress and fatigue such as weightlifting. YES the body learns, haha pretty smart isn't it. We oughta take advantage of that. They are generally the same because they are dependant of DHT form testosterone and will always rememebr what yuo do to them and how they reacted. The skin which when pressure is applied over time WILL stretch as SWM says, but the problems is it's not so easily said about the spongy tissues inside. They work more like a balloon , ballooning out and around, and depending how stretchable the foreskin is that covers it. I will also keep an eye open for other info as well, hope you guys get get a grasp of it.

oh yes abot the erection angle ... that i s true also since the stretchign will damage the ligs and permenantly losen them not stretch them, thye are loosened ( not stretched). Hy i gotta question too, did you guys that have longer much thicker rections and you previously hav a high erection angle? and also did any of you ALWAYS have a 3 oclock erection since puberty?


peace

Alright well I have read stuff about this somewhere before summut about Balooning....anyways it doesnt seem like Bullshit to me.
Its a new field of pe maybe....I mean we must remain openminded and try to make breakthrus.

However I havent a clue how to perform what your saying MaxVeloc...I am lossed and confused.
I would be willing to try this out.
Make it in simple 123 type steps so some of us can try it and see if we get anything from it.

Also I agree that DHT, testostarone and other growth hormones will help anyone doing pe/npe gain better.

Max...no offense man, but are you in a rush when you type? Trying to read your posts gives me a fucking headache.

Alright good theory... And that is all I believe this is. Doing a reverse kegel while you have an erection does force more blood into the penis, but this wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as say a uli IMO.

Not only that you'll probably give yourself a hernia trying to do this exercise.

Originally posted by MaxVeloc
no problem would be very happy to explain

first off these receptors respond to changes in the system hence the release of testosterone which is in turned burned into DHT to sort of update the cells there in accordance to the change ( jelqing, balloning etc.)

it's very complex actually i'm tying to name off the entire works of these biochemical reactions

the testosterone bursts and charges the parasympathetic sexual nerve for a production burst of the neurotransmitter Nitride Oxide (NO) and its erection dilator cGMP. Also your liver plays a role in this(get off the alcohol!), because it releases enzymes aiding in the burning of testosterone into DHT. ...

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I apologize for being blunt, but you have absolutely nothing being in the close proximity of a working understanding of endocrinology.

First, there is no "DHT receptor" - there is only one receptor, the Androgen Receptor (AR), which hormones bind to - both testosterone and DHT. Also, there is no real competition for the receptor, due to the mechanisms involved (AR recycling, dimers, substrate binding time etc), there are always available receptors. There is no "burning" of Testosterone into DHT. The conversion is performed by the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, which is produced locally in various tissues, e.g. the hair follicles and prostate. Since DHT is more potent at binding the AR than testosterone, its effects are more pronounced in the related tissues. btw - hair loss is more or less a genetic disposition, and not necessarily a good reflection of your endogenous T levels.

You can't "trap" DHT in your penis either - it circulates freely in the blood, but there is mostly localized conversion depending on the concentration of the 5-ar enzyme.

I think I'll stop there, at least get a basic understanding of the stuff you're talking about before coming on here giving the impression that you're some sort of expert... :s

Hey sorry about the typos, i tend to type fast.

Well for starters i would presume doing holding it either randomly at full erection througout your entire routine, and/or possibly at the beginning and end... much to experiment with here. What this process does is pack in everything the penis needs to grow, not just pressure holding like base squeezes , which in turn do expand the cells wider, but there just isn't the same about of pressure on the entire shaft. NO and stres and be overcome by doing these, i can do them rather relaxed now. Also consistency and time i believe will yield results as with SWM, that is true. I think Red, that you have gained as much as you can to a point where that routine worked, so you probably need a change in your routine, either more or less to continue gaining. BTW Red your girth is insane, plz keep growing i already envy you with a passion lol i wanna see an 8in girth by tommorow haha..j/k

LIke i said i'm just learning about this, and no heh i probably don't have a good proximity of total understanding, but that's interesting though what you are saying. We could all learn from you.

Before i go on I do know that genetics play a huge role in the speed of development and biochemical makeup. This is just the basis of how the human body functions, one person will be different from another in smaller ways, but generally we are the same. Examples of these are hair loss, metabolism and diseases as well, it is when and how these traits will show that makes us who we are.

Also I know DHT would circulate freely in the blood just as anything in your system does, but when you work your chest muscle for example does not mean your abs ill be stimulated to grow near as much, only if they are stimulated to do so. So DHT goes wherever it is needed to go presumably. This packing of DHT and other growth hormones into your penile cells is far moe than usual , so they get more than expected of everything (DHT, hGH etc.). Then again penile tissues are not muscle, they just react similar to stress and expansion as long as all functions of the hormonal systems are at top notch levels to be able to regrow the cells successfuly, rather than to continue to fatigue and over train them for little or no growth. This is applied also to training the muscles. I believe shold take in to account that more is not metter in this case as in weighttraining. there is also the problem of overtraiing, where one would say he worked hard eveyrday and never gained, this is because they never emphasized the importanr aspects. They may have never ate or rested enough. There is somethign caled the training effect, which is basicly seeing results; howveer, this training effect will not coem aroudn until there is emphasis on the recovery part. The muscles only need so much to be stimulated for maximum growth, as long as the workouts are intense. Depending on the person, one doesn't NEED 1000 jelqs, they could very likely get the same growth from 400 jelqs, maybe even slowing growth with 1000. This is alot like the debate between old and new school weighttraining, where old school simply states that more is better without full understanding of why and how muscles grow. For example, the calorie was thought to be believed to be just that; however, after researching and gaining knwledge on this, they found out the ratios of fats, proteins and carbohydrates influenced significantly how one would grow and go about functioning. Back in the 70's and 80's, it was thought that one needed to work out for 2 or more hours to get maximum muscle growth. Now one needs only 30minute intense sessions to get the same as a 2 hours workout would result. What is also important is how intensely and fluent the exercises are in this short session. Like Penis Enlargementing, weighttraining emphasizes intensity techniques inth shortest amount of time. A 2 hour jelq session with little intensity, very likely would not provide near as much stimulation as say 200 hard dry jelqs and several base squeezes. What I am basically trying to point out is, that is is possible to have a more efficient workout with the same results while keeping in mind WHY it is growing and what factors influence it.

These are just my theories...again I may be also wrong on things.

I truly believe these are why things are the way they are.



peace

hey sorry i uhh types alot of typos in that one, i didnt have time to correct them.

Red, just squeeze down a reverse kegel like you're going to take a shit but just not as hard , it's weird. Do this and you will feel and see your dick expand until the skin limits it to grow anymore.

I post too much...haha but that's interesting how theres only one androgen receptor being recycled., also a relief to know that there aren't any competitions between them.

peace

so you mean that byflexing the lower abs and your PC you release
DHT into your penis??? C`mon! This is bullshit

Really Interesting MAx, What i did today when i took a shit i looked at my cock as i pressed down and low and behold it looked hella long!
When doing this though Be Careful, when inhaling and squeexing pressure on your abdomen and anus area or this might happen to you......
http://poetry.rotten.com/weightlifter/

I always figured that if you get a semi (or cock grows) whilst taking a crap, it's because of the nerves in your asshole.

-ItsElectric

i don't want to trigger anotehr argument here, but since all Penis Enlargementers practice something that many call psuedoscience and sili, we shouldn't be so fast to attack anything not familiar. i don't think max is trying to sell you anything or preach teh gospel, just sharing some information he was excited about. if you don't think it's anything worth noting, then don't. no reason to slam anybody for sharing though.

as has been pointed out, none of us are endocrinologists and especially nobody has a truly comprehensive understanding of the processes mention, MD's and reserachers included. i'm not sure i believe it either but it doesn't mean i think the dudes an asshole for trying to share.

i'm gonna get strung up for this, but so be it. not necessarily in this thread, but in some, it seems like some of the moderators let their personal opinions about Penis Enlargement or otherwise inform upon what they do and say and they tend to reign down a little hard. i think it's because most people here, mods included, are pretty affectionate about the sight and DLD and each wants his idea of what the content and posting should look like to prevail. i feel moderators should only serve to keep the board running smoothly and up to DLD's standards, and nothing else.

Look, science is just beginning to understand the AR and why the DR happens after puberty. Given that we know nothing about penile growth, isnt it conceivable that Dr. Lin has an idea worth at least attempting? I am a full-time biochem student and I will tell you that things we thought for sure just 10 years ago are now being rebuked left and right. An open mind is a learning mind.

If I am correct, science doesnt think Penis Enlargement is possible in any form. Many Dr.s have come out with the belief that DHT will change the size of the penis after puberty. Why is this so hard to swallow? Either way, you are waisting nothing but time. Plus, you learn how to hold back ejaculation.

The only thing I will disagree with is the fact he sells evening primrose oil in his cream. EPO is a potent 5ar inhibitor. If DHT is so important to his theory, why is he using a 5ar blocker in his product?

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I'm with you goodbutnotgreat!! I 2nd what you said.

It's an interesting idea, but has been presented wrong I think... Max is claiming that simply by reverse kegelling, we can work out the penis by forcing these various hormones in, and these hormones then do the enlargement.

I don't believe that kegelling will do this, but I have no doubt that hormones have a huge role in keeping our body functioning properly, and this proper function may involve adapting to change. Are we all agreed on that?

So - it is the exercises we do (Ulis, jelqing etc), and NOT r-kegelling is what causes these hormones to be released. Tissue is degraded (due to us beating our willies up), and the hormones help rebuild it.

That sounds like a reasonable explanation, no? It is backed up by the fact that Max is still suggesting that we workout manually, and that the r-kegel is just a supplement to a good routine.

Loss of penis size with age is USUALLY a result of things like poor diet, lack of use or lessened use (less sex for example), and just plain, poor penis health from plaque build up in the penis arteries which means less blood flow. More so than a cause of hormones or a lessening of hormones. These causes are seen as "normal" though for the average aging man and most doctors are more than eager to prescribe you some Viagra for your ED rather than to tell you to change your diet or do some jelqing to improve your penis health and blood flow.

I'm always up for a good, mature debate. However, when some new guy joins the forum, acts like he has the next big Penis Enlargement idea thats going to totally revolutionize things and then attacks people who criticize what he says because they want to see if he really knows what he's talking about (I've yet to meet an 18 year old endocrinologist by the way)...that's when I have to say something.

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SWM is right on the money.

Originally posted by MaxVeloc
Also I know DHT would circulate freely in the blood just as anything in your system does, but when you work your chest muscle for example does not mean your abs ill be stimulated to grow near as much, only if they are stimulated to do so. So DHT goes wherever it is needed to go presumably. This packing of DHT and other growth hormones into your penile cells is far moe than usual , so they get more than expected of everything (DHT, hGH etc.). Then again penile tissues are not muscle, they just react similar to stress and expansion as long as all functions of the hormonal systems are at top notch levels to be able to regrow the cells successfuly, rather than to continue to fatigue and over train them for little or no growth. This is applied also to training the muscles. I believe shold take in to account that more is not metter in this case as in weighttraining. there is also the problem of overtraiing, where one would say he worked hard eveyrday and never gained, this is because they never emphasized the importanr aspects. They may have never ate or rested enough. There is somethign caled the training effect, which is basicly seeing results; howveer, this training effect will not coem aroudn until there is emphasis on the recovery part. The muscles only need so much to be stimulated for maximum growth, as long as the workouts are intense. Depending on the person, one doesn't NEED 1000 jelqs, they could very likely get the same growth from 400 jelqs, maybe even slowing growth with 1000. This is alot like the debate between old and new school weighttraining, where old school simply states that more is better without full understanding of why and how muscles grow. For example, the calorie was thought to be believed to be just that; however, after researching and gaining knwledge on this, they found out the ratios of fats, proteins and carbohydrates influenced significantly how one would grow and go about functioning. Back in the 70's and 80's, it was thought that one needed to work out for 2 or more hours to get maximum muscle growth. Now one needs only 30minute intense sessions to get the same as a 2 hours workout would result. What is also important is how intensely and fluent the exercises are in this short session. Like Penis Enlargementing, weighttraining emphasizes intensity techniques inth shortest amount of time. A 2 hour jelq session with little intensity, very likely would not provide near as much stimulation as say 200 hard dry jelqs and several base squeezes. What I am basically trying to point out is, that is is possible to have a more efficient workout with the same results while keeping in mind WHY it is growing and what factors influence it.

These are just my theories...again I may be also wrong on things.

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DHT doesn't contribute much to muscle growth. This is because the 5-ar concentration is very limited in muscle tissue. There is also no real systemic growth from working one muscle group - the reason is that the various signals and growth factors released from a process called "mechanotransduction" (stretching of the contractile structures) and microtrauma (microscopic tearing of the sarcolemma/cell) are highly localized to the muscle fiber itself, as well as surrounding cells within the same muscle.

I have no data on the 5-ar concentration in penile tissue, but there would be no elevation just from a reverse kegel. Not saying that the exercise isn't a good one, as has been demonstrated by DLD and his Blasters, but not for any mechanism involving DHT.

Also, there is rarely any overtraining of muscle tissue - the central nervous system is the limiting factor in the training load and volume you can use. A muscle can actually be overloaded and grow at the same time - there are the so-called synergistic ablation studies where they cut the gastrocnemius (outer calf muscle) of animals, forcing the soleus (inner calf muscle) to bear the weight of the animal - no sets, reps, or rest periods. The result is that the muscle doubles in size in a matter of a few days.

Not that this really applies much to the penis anyway. The point of Penis Enlargement is not the enlargement of a muscle, it is the stretching of the fibrous sheath as well as increasing the capacitity of the CC and CS to hold blood. The only muscular exercise is the manipulation of the PC muscle to increase erection quality and ejaculation control. Thus, working to the limits of the tissue is the goal, stretching it, making it more pliable, forcing permanent lengthening and capacity increases is the way to go. There are the chemical signaling mechanisms to consider when it comes to getting and maintaining a healthy sex drive and erection quality, but you can't apply what you know (or you don't know, as in your case) about growing a muscle larger to Penis Enlargement. Separate tissues, separate strategies.

Your idea of the reverse kegel is a good one, but not for the reasons you give, and it's also an integrated part of what most guys are already doing here, so it's not like you bring anything new to the table. I suggest you come here with an open mind, learning from the guys who have done this for a long time and know what works. Be humble. Not trying to preach here, but I have a problem with people spouting off pseudo-science trying to impress people into believing they have a clue.

I take evening primrose oil....so 8 isnt enough is this like shit to take than? stopping my DHT?