DLD i gotta give you praise for these, they are GREAT! So i just got my Bathmate today and had to try a short version. I did 5 min Bathmate, 5 min SSJ , and did this three times so a total of 15 min Bathmate and 15 min SSJ (although i didn't time the SSJ but i did 4 long ones).. Even with this short time i got an expansion of .5 inches!!! I couldn't believe this because i feel like i get next to nothing for expansion with regular jelqs. I can just tell these are going to give me huge gains. Also, im sure its because it was my first time but the Bathmate was a little unconfortable/painful every time i pumped as it forced more blood in. I also like to mention that i did not pump to full pressure because i didn't want fluid buildup and it would have hurt too much.