Why is it so hard for people to realize penis enlargement works?

[stevie7inch]

First off, before anyone rips my head off, let me say that I believe Penis Enlargement works.

Here's what I believe is a huge obstacle for people who are skeptical or just don't believe it works, and that obstacle is PROOF: specifically, PICTURE proof.

I've been on this wonderful forum for a while and over at another wonderful forum, Bib Hanger. I am going to take a BPenis EnlargementL and Girth photo WITH MEASUREMENTS and just hang with the BIB HANGER for a year, and every month, take pics and post them to show whatever progress I am making. I am so much more obsessed with length right now that I just want to focus on that until I reach my goal of 9.5 BPenis EnlargementL (currently at 7", have a lot of cock to come out, did Bib's tests to confirm, etc). Hey, I don't know 100% if it's a scam or not, but the ONLY way to find out is...

But why aren't other people doing this? Why aren't other people taking before and after pictures? Or just AFTER pictures? And for the few who actually post, why is it that they take the pics in weird angles? One guy on here supposed gained an inch or two, but won't post his pic fully erect and measured (he just pulls it out in front of him flaccid in front of a computer keyboard). And that pic of DLD's (who I KNOW isn't full of shit) with the "10" mark (his cock being the "1") and next to the ruler: it's such a small pic that I become totally confused how someone whose face and name and everything else personal is OUT THERE in PUBLIC and even THAT photo made difficult to see (Again, I love DLD and he cares and is the real deal: JUST CONFUSED!).

I've heard the excuses:
"Some people don't want their penises on the Internet": HUH? Do we each have our name permanently tattooed on our shaft!?!? Use a strange username with an email address not linked to a static IP, your real name, etc. Completely bogus reason.
"This person DID have theirs up but took it down because people thought it was fake. You can't convince people no matter WHAT you do...": Bullshit. Tell me how full of shit I am! Who cares? No one knows you! It's either true or not, but PICTURE PROOF, however skeptics see it, is PROOF nonetheless.
"Some people don't take before pics so they feel AFTER pics aren't necessary": COME THE FUCK ON!
"Someone will steal them": Um, it's called using Photoshop and branding an email address on them so no one CAN steal them? Remember Vaderic?

I can tell you right now that I'm holding a ruler in my hand. If my already large cock gets to be 9.5 FULL ON LONG, I will have all the following options:

1. Be able to make, oh I don't know, $1,000 minimum a week jacking off my humungous dong on a webcam anonymously for all the folks who will pay to watch. What the fuck do I care? I can say it's 12 inches and, like all the fucking jack off video dudes (like that Arab guy I posted) and what not, EVERYONE WILL BELIEVE ME THAT I'm 12.
2. Be able to become a adult entertainment star with a mask on...
3. Get an insane, obscene amount of Craigslist and Adult Friend Finder poonany...
4. Get an insane and obscene amount of public pussy...

And the list goes on and on...

In SOME ways, it's more cool and admirable and sexy to have a huge dick BECAUSE you exercised as opposed to being born with it.

The bottom line is: Why? Why aren't there more clear, accurately BPenis EnlargementL and Girth pics out there? Even on CL, these guys who say they are like 12 inches! AND who have rulers in the pics! STILL have the room dark, or the numbers on the ruler are unreadable. In other words, they are completely full of shit.

That's why I feel like most people, after inititally being skeptical but then reading these forums, etc. STAY skeptical: there isn't enough actual PROOF (other than knowing a guy before and after and I won't go there...) of ANYTHING? Does what I'm saying make any sense??

 

[Big Al]

First off, before anyone rips my head off, let me say that I believe Penis Enlargement works.

Here's what I believe is a huge obstacle for people who are skeptical or just don't believe it works, and that obstacle is PROOF: specifically, PICTURE proof.

I've been on this wonderful forum for a while and over at another wonderful forum, Bib Hanger. I am going to take a BPenis EnlargementL and Girth photo WITH MEASUREMENTS and just hang with the BIB HANGER for a year, and every month, take pics and post them to show whatever progress I am making. I am so much more obsessed with length right now that I just want to focus on that until I reach my goal of 9.5 BPenis EnlargementL (currently at 7", have a lot of cock to come out, did Bib's tests to confirm, etc). Hey, I don't know 100% if it's a scam or not, but the ONLY way to find out is...

But why aren't other people doing this? Why aren't other people taking before and after pictures? Or just AFTER pictures? And for the few who actually post, why is it that they take the pics in weird angles? One guy on here supposed gained an inch or two, but won't post his pic fully erect and measured (he just pulls it out in front of him flaccid in front of a computer keyboard). And that pic of DLD's (who I KNOW isn't full of shit) with the "10" mark (his cock being the "1") and next to the ruler: it's such a small pic that I become totally confused how someone whose face and name and everything else personal is OUT THERE in PUBLIC and even THAT photo made difficult to see (Again, I love DLD and he cares and is the real deal: JUST CONFUSED!).

I've heard the excuses:
"Some people don't want their penises on the Internet": HUH? Do we each have our name permanently tattooed on our shaft!?!? Use a strange username with an email address not linked to a static IP, your real name, etc. Completely bogus reason.
"This person DID have theirs up but took it down because people thought it was fake. You can't convince people no matter WHAT you do...": Bullshit. Tell me how full of shit I am! Who cares? No one knows you! It's either true or not, but PICTURE PROOF, however skeptics see it, is PROOF nonetheless.
"Some people don't take before pics so they feel AFTER pics aren't necessary": COME THE FUCK ON!
"Someone will steal them": Um, it's called using Photoshop and branding an email address on them so no one CAN steal them? Remember Vaderic?

I can tell you right now that I'm holding a ruler in my hand. If my already large cock gets to be 9.5 FULL ON LONG, I will have all the following options:

1. Be able to make, oh I don't know, $1,000 minimum a week jacking off my humungous dong on a webcam anonymously for all the folks who will pay to watch. What the fuck do I care? I can say it's 12 inches and, like all the fucking jack off video dudes (like that Arab guy I posted) and what not, EVERYONE WILL BELIEVE ME THAT I'm 12.
2. Be able to become a adult entertainment star with a mask on...
3. Get an insane, obscene amount of Craigslist and Adult Friend Finder poonany...
4. Get an insane and obscene amount of public pussy...

And the list goes on and on...

In SOME ways, it's more cool and admirable and sexy to have a huge dick BECAUSE you exercised as opposed to being born with it.

The bottom line is: Why? Why aren't there more clear, accurately BPenis EnlargementL and Girth pics out there? Even on CL, these guys who say they are like 12 inches! AND who have rulers in the pics! STILL have the room dark, or the numbers on the ruler are unreadable. In other words, they are completely full of shit.

That's why I feel like most people, after inititally being skeptical but then reading these forums, etc. STAY skeptical: there isn't enough actual PROOF (other than knowing a guy before and after and I won't go there...) of ANYTHING? Does what I'm saying make any sense??

Skepticism is a good thing- it shows intelligence. What gets me are those people that will refuse to even entertain the idea of Penis Enlargement without giving it a try themselves. Sometimes it's tantamount to talking to a brick wall, and the worst part of it is that their statements can discourage men that are on the fence about trying Penis Enlargement.

I think a lot of this fear is due to statements against manual Penis Enlargement on several medical websites. Some seem to lump ALL methods of supposed Penis Enlargement (pills, creams, etc.) into the same category. Now, I understand that the medical community has to be ultraconservative in its recommendations, but there are a couple of issues with their statements:

The bashing of manual Penis Enlargement methods on those sites are based on conjecture and speculation- not science. Sometimes a doc will state something complete ridiculous like "the penis doesn't expand" or "the penis isn't a muscle" to justify their point. Firstly, the penis DOES expand- it's capable of expanding to many times its flaccid volume. It's folly to believe that the penis can't be forced just a little bit beyond its normal erect measurements (and there are references to the contrary). There's even an actual law that covers this physiological process- Davis' Law: Ligaments and other soft tissues, when placed under unremitting tension, elongate by the addition of new material. When remaining uninterrupted in a lax state, they gradually shorten by the absorption of material.

EVERY man that has done some form of Penis Enlargement and has measured temporary gains right after a workout has seen the proof of this process. The key to growth lies in pushing the penile tissues slightly past their accustomed limits each workout. Each facet of the penis- ligs, tunica, and corpora should be targeted to maximize gains. Over time, the boundaries get pushed a little further each time, and then you get measureable permanent gains.

Second, the penis itself is comprised of a good proportion of smooth muscle tissue, which is capable of growth and possibly even hyperplasia (cell division).

Even worse is the claim that any growth from Penis Enlargement is likely caused by swelling and/or scar tissue. Again, this is unfounded, and the vast majority of men that engage in regular, sensible Penis Enlargement report improvements in hardness and functioning- even after several years. I can understand the caution, but the key to successful Penis Enlargement without injury is moderation. The goal should be a bigger, fitter penis. This has to be stressed above all else!

Another issue that I have are with statements like "the only proven method of penis enlargement is surgery". This statement usually (and ironically) follows the manual Penis Enlargement-induced injury statements. Having been involved in the field of Penis Enlargement for over 10 years, I can tell you that the quality and quantity of injuries from phalloplasties far exceed anything I've ever seen coming from manual Penis Enlargement methods. The cost for these crippling and often disapponting procedures runs into the thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars!

For a supposedly caring medical establisHydromaxent to recommend penis enlargement surgery over non-surgical Penis Enlargement is ludicrous! There is a ray of hope-this view against non-surgical Penis Enlargement methods seems to be prevalent mostly in the US. There are European medical establisHydromaxents that take non-surgical methods of Penis Enlargement quite seriously, despite it not bringing in the profits of Western medical "solutions" like phalloplasty.

Regarding proof pics- between all of the online forums there exists many before and after images as well as detailed journals. The problem is that even when some of these pictures are taken by reliable third parties and everything seems to check out there will always be folks that will claim they're "fake" or "photoshopped". Some people will simply refuse to believe- for whatever reason.

I've always said that the best proof you can have for whether or not something works is if you do it yourself. For those men brave enough and motivated enough to try Penis Enlargement (and stick with it), the rewards are many. For those men that are too afraid to try it (for whatever reason), it's truly their loss.

 

[stevie7inch]

BIG AL: "Regarding proof pics- between all of the online forums there exists many before and after images as well as detailed journals. The problem is that even when some of these pictures are taken by reliable third parties and everything seems to check out there will always be folks that will claim they're "fake" or "photoshopped". Some people will simply refuse to believe- for whatever reason."

Big Al,

You quoted my long post so I'm assuming, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you think I'M skeptical. I'm not. I know it works. So, if I'm ON it, please leave me off of your "skeptical spectator" list. BIB, for one, is brilliant and completely on target medical-jargon-wise about EVERYTHING he talks about because I'm shared some of his words with my very cool, Scorpio sex-nutjob doctor (who, BTW, is in the Valley and takes care of adult entertainment stars), and he actually is considering looking into buying a hanger. He also says that, while "dangerous", if there was a way to stretch those ligaments and the tunica, he says, and I quote, "Everything (meaning the inner penis) would HAVE to come out over time because everything would have nothing to hold it in". I also have two friends who hang (gay: one is a hustler) and they have VERY big dicks. Truth be told, I cannot wait to get my hanger and I certainly cannot wait to posts pics and a journal and give everyone the confidence they might be lacking.

I know that DLD is also telling the truth because I have made modest gains in girth and a little in length in two months using his methods.

I've highlighted in red and blue your only responses pertinent to my post: everything else you've written, while extremely articulate and "right on" (I like your supportive and educated posts very much), has nothing to do with defending or attacking my argument.

RED: Show me. Show me all of these before and after images and online journals. I want to see them. I promise you, if the people you say have pics with honest measurements of before and after BPenis EnlargementL and girth (ERECT girth), I won't question their authenticity. Show me.

BLUE: So what? Really man, so what? So what if some people think that legit pictures are photoshopped? I remember a guy named 3vil 3ric who had these pictures that looked SO REAL it pissed every guy off: he had what looked like to be a 16-18 inch cock. Good looking guy with zero body fat and an 18 inch dick. Now, I KNEW that the pictures were fake because when I saved them to my hard drive, my friend opened them up in Photoshop and somehow figured out how to see the pixel work that was done to them. You can do that, you know? 3ric was honest enough in the forum I was in (LPSG?) to admit in the end that they were fake. I actually called him out on it. It was most cool. They were ridiculous, black and white, anatomically impossible pictures. But they sure looked real as fuck.

BUT, remember, I didn't say he had BEFORE pics. If you see a cock pic that looks big, it very well may be or not. That is irrelevant to this discussion. The discussion we are having is why some people don't believe that Penis Enlargement works? How do we know, for example, that everyone on here isn't completely full of shit? How do you know that DLD and Bib and Thunder and everyone else here are being honest? Because of an article written about DLD in Slate? Because they are successful businessmen? How do you know I AM being straight and honest? How do you know that DLD even runs this forum? Hell, HOW DO YOU KNOW MY NAME IS STEVE! (and by the way, DLD and Bib and Thunder, I am not insinuating that you guys are anything but legit. I'm just making a point to make a point: devil's advocate kind of shizzle fizzle. Please know this and don't hold it against me).

Here's a comparison I'm about to make that will put this into perspective for EVERYBODY: Let's say I walk into a gym. There's a few people lifting weights, a few girls on the treadmill, but it's a Gold's Gym or a private gym, nothing overwhelmingly large and hyper-corporate. 20-30 people.

And let's say I walk up to a bench press bench. I, 175 pounds and overweight and weak, stand up on it and I shout: "Hey everybody! Listen up! I can bench press 400 pounds!". NO ONE, and I mean, NO ONE believes me. The laughter is strangling. And anyone who isn't there who would be there under different circumstances would not believe me either.

I lay down, a group of guys stacks the barbell with 400 pounds. The gym is silent and everyone is watching.

I grab it, heave and huff and...lo and behold, I bench press the mother fucker full on! I DO IT! I bench press 400 pounds.

I get up and walk away. Everyone, EVERYONE is stunned.

Now: there are some people who will say that I have super powers. There are some that will say I'm on steroids. There are some that will pretend they didn't see it. They are some that will think that the weights were not really 400 pounds. Some may think it's a Candid Camera prank, that the guys around the bench were in on it. And they will be a few who don't give a shit one way or another. Maybe one person will completely care and completely believe that it happened legitimately. But they too will move on.

Nevertheless, I didn't just TALK about being able to press 400 and not do it. I didn't say "I can do it, but if I do it will be a waste of time because no one will believe it really happened legitimately". See how ridiculous that sounds? I simply got down, no matter what anyone might think, and I pressed 400.

So, I ask again, respectfully and knowing personally that Penis Enlargement works (at least I know for sure jelqing does): Why does no one, having made gains and caring about giving confidence and proof for the Penis Enlargement forum family, have legitimate, BPenis EnlargementL-measured BEFORE and AFTER pics on these forums?

Respect,

Stevie

 

[stevie7inch]

BIG AL: "Regarding proof pics- between all of the online forums there exists many before and after images as well as detailed journals. The problem is that even when some of these pictures are taken by reliable third parties and everything seems to check out there will always be folks that will claim they're "fake" or "photoshopped". Some people will simply refuse to believe- for whatever reason."

Big Al,

You quoted my long post so I'm assuming, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you think I'M skeptical. I'm not. I know it works. So, if I'm ON it, please leave me off of your "skeptical spectator" list. BIB, for one, is brilliant and completely on target medical-jargon-wise about EVERYTHING he talks about because I'm shared some of his words with doctors. I know that DLD is also telling the truth because I have made modest gains in two months using his methods. So please, just don't go there...

I've highlighted in red and blue your only responses pertinent to my post: everything else you've written, while extremely articulate and "right on" (I like your posts very much), has nothing to do with defending or attacking my argument.

RED: Show me. Show me all of these before and after images and online journals. I want to see them. I promise you, if the people you say have pics with honest measurements of before and after BPenis EnlargementL and girth (ERECT girth), I won't question their authenticity. Show me.

BLUE: So what? Really man, so what? So what if some people think that legit pictures are photoshopped? I remember a guy named 3vil 3ric who had these pictures that looked SO REAL it pissed every guy off: he had what looked like to be a 16-18 inch cock. Good looking guy with zero body fat and an 18 inch dick. Now, I KNEW that the pictures were fake because when I saved them to my hard drive, I opened them up in Photoshop and saw the pixel work that was done to them. You can do that, you know? He was honest enough in the forum I was in (LPSG?) to admit in the end that they were fake. I actually called him out on it. It was most cool. They were ridiculous, black and white, anatomically impossible pictures. But they sure looked real as fuck.

BUT, remember, I didn't say he had BEFORE pics. If you see a cock pic that looks big, it very well may be or not. That is irrelevant to this discussion. The discussion we are having is why some people don't believe that Penis Enlargement works? How do we know, for example, that everyone on here isn't completely full of shit? How do you know that DLD and Bib and Thunder and everyone else here are being honest? Because of an article written about DLD in Slate? Because they are successful businessmen? How do you know I AM being straight and honest? How do you know that DLD even runs this forum? Hell, HOW DO YOU KNOW MY NAME IS STEVE! (and by the way, DLD and Bib and Thunder, I am not insinuating that you guys are anything but legit. I'm just making a point to make a point: devil's advocate kind of shizzle fizzle. Please know this and don't hold it against me).

Here's a comparison I'm about to make that will put this into perspective for EVERYBODY: Let's say I walk into a gym. There's a few people lifting weights, a few girls on the treadmill, but it's a Gold's Gym or a private gym, nothing overwhelmingly large and hyper-corporate. 20-30 people.

And let's say I walk up to a bench press bench. I, 175 pounds and overweight and weak, stand up on it and I shout: "Hey everybody! Listen up! I can bench press 400 pounds!". NO ONE, and I mean, NO ONE believes me. The laughter is strangling. And anyone who isn't there who would be there under different circumstances would not believe me either.

I lay down, a group of guys stacks the barbell with 400 pounds. The gym is silent and everyone is watching.

I grab it, heave and huff and...lo and behold, I bench press the mother fucker full on! I DO IT! I bench press 400 pounds.

I get up and walk away. Everyone, EVERYONE is stunned.

Now: there are some people who will say that I have super powers. There are some that will say I'm on steroids. There are some that will pretend they didn't see it. They are some that will think that the weights were not really 400 pounds. Some may think it's a Candid Camera prank, that the guys around the bench were in on it. And they will be a few who don't give a shit one way or another. Maybe one person will completely care and completely believe that it happened legitimately. But they too will move on.

Nevertheless, I didn't just TALK about being able to press 400 and not do it. I didn't say "I can do it, but if I do it will be a waste of time because no one will believe it really happened legitimately". See how ridiculous that sounds? I simply got down, no matter what anyone might think, and I pressed 400.

So, I ask again, respectfully and knowing personally that Penis Enlargement works (at least I know for sure jelqing does): Why does no one, having made gains and caring about giving confidence and proof for the Penis Enlargement forum family, have legitimate, BPenis EnlargementL-measured BEFORE and AFTER pics on these forums?

Respect,

Stevie

 

[stevie7inch]

PS: Don't know exactly why the post repeats itself once. I edited a few sentences so maybe that's why?

 

[stevie7inch]

The first post is the one I would like for everyone to read. I was more specific in it regarding my positive Penis Enlargement experiences and the people I've shared info with. I have no idea why it posted twice.

 

[Big Al]

BIG AL: "Regarding proof pics- between all of the online forums there exists many before and after images as well as detailed journals. The problem is that even when some of these pictures are taken by reliable third parties and everything seems to check out there will always be folks that will claim they're "fake" or "photoshopped". Some people will simply refuse to believe- for whatever reason."

Big Al,

You quoted my long post so I'm assuming, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you think I'M skeptical. I'm not. I know it works. So, if I'm ON it, please leave me off of your "skeptical spectator" list.

Not at all I'm agreeing with you- the concept of Penis Enlargement in general is riddled with so many different techniques and opinions that it's very difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff.

BIB, for one, is brilliant and completely on target medical-jargon-wise about EVERYTHING he talks about because I'm shared some of his words with my very cool, Scorpio sex-nutjob doctor (who, BTW, is in the Valley and takes care of adult entertainment stars), and he actually is considering looking into buying a hanger. He also says that, while "dangerous", if there was a way to stretch those ligaments and the tunica, he says, and I quote, "Everything (meaning the inner penis) would HAVE to come out over time because everything would have nothing to hold it in".

That's only part of what happens when the penis grows. I believe that there's a lot more than just ligament release that goes on with long term Penis Enlargement gains.

I also have two friends who hang (gay: one is a hustler) and they have VERY big dicks. Truth be told, I cannot wait to get my hanger and I certainly cannot wait to posts pics and a journal and give everyone the confidence they might be lacking.

I know that DLD is also telling the truth because I have made modest gains in girth and a little in length in two months using his methods.

I've highlighted in red and blue your only responses pertinent to my post: everything else you've written, while extremely articulate and "right on" (I like your supportive and educated posts very much), has nothing to do with defending or attacking my argument.

RED: Show me. Show me all of these before and after images and online journals. I want to see them. I promise you, if the people you say have pics with honest measurements of before and after BPenis EnlargementL and girth (ERECT girth), I won't question their authenticity. Show me.

Besides this forum, here are some others:

http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/f...splay.php?f=16

Success Stories & Other Writings - Free Penis Enlargement Exercise Forum - The Penis Enlargement Gym

Progress Reports - Penis Enlargement Forums- Penis enlargement and male enhancement[/quote]

There are even some on LPSG's Penis Enlargement Forum

BLUE: So what? Really man, so what? So what if some people think that legit pictures are photoshopped? I remember a guy named 3vil 3ric who had these pictures that looked SO REAL it pissed every guy off: he had what looked like to be a 16-18 inch cock. Good looking guy with zero body fat and an 18 inch dick. Now, I KNEW that the pictures were fake because when I saved them to my hard drive, my friend opened them up in Photoshop and somehow figured out how to see the pixel work that was done to them. You can do that, you know? 3ric was honest enough in the forum I was in (LPSG?) to admit in the end that they were fake. I actually called him out on it. It was most cool. They were ridiculous, black and white, anatomically impossible pictures. But they sure looked real as fuck.

BUT, remember, I didn't say he had BEFORE pics. If you see a cock pic that looks big, it very well may be or not. That is irrelevant to this discussion. The discussion we are having is why some people don't believe that Penis Enlargement works? How do we know, for example, that everyone on here isn't completely full of shit? How do you know that DLD and Bib and Thunder and everyone else here are being honest? Because of an article written about DLD in Slate? Because they are successful businessmen? How do you know I AM being straight and honest? How do you know that DLD even runs this forum? Hell, HOW DO YOU KNOW MY NAME IS STEVE! (and by the way, DLD and Bib and Thunder, I am not insinuating that you guys are anything but legit. I'm just making a point to make a point: devil's advocate kind of shizzle fizzle. Please know this and don't hold it against me).

Not at all- I understand your POV 100%. It would be silly to think that rational, intelligent people should believe in something without studying up on it. That's why Penis Enlargement should be more about education than anything else. When someone learns how Penis Enlargement works and how to apply it, doubting no longer becomes an issue.

Here's a comparison I'm about to make that will put this into perspective for EVERYBODY: Let's say I walk into a gym. There's a few people lifting weights, a few girls on the treadmill, but it's a Gold's Gym or a private gym, nothing overwhelmingly large and hyper-corporate. 20-30 people.

And let's say I walk up to a bench press bench. I, 175 pounds and overweight and weak, stand up on it and I shout: "Hey everybody! Listen up! I can bench press 400 pounds!". NO ONE, and I mean, NO ONE believes me. The laughter is strangling. And anyone who isn't there who would be there under different circumstances would not believe me either.

I lay down, a group of guys stacks the barbell with 400 pounds. The gym is silent and everyone is watching.

I grab it, heave and huff and...lo and behold, I bench press the mother fucker full on! I DO IT! I bench press 400 pounds.

I get up and walk away. Everyone, EVERYONE is stunned.

Now: there are some people who will say that I have super powers. There are some that will say I'm on steroids. There are some that will pretend they didn't see it. They are some that will think that the weights were not really 400 pounds. Some may think it's a Candid Camera prank, that the guys around the bench were in on it. And they will be a few who don't give a shit one way or another. Maybe one person will completely care and completely believe that it happened legitimately. But they too will move on.

Nevertheless, I didn't just TALK about being able to press 400 and not do it. I didn't say "I can do it, but if I do it will be a waste of time because no one will believe it really happened legitimately". See how ridiculous that sounds? I simply got down, no matter what anyone might think, and I pressed 400.

So, I ask again, respectfully and knowing personally that Penis Enlargement works (at least I know for sure jelqing does): Why does no one, having made gains and caring about giving confidence and proof for the Penis Enlargement forum family, have legitimate, BPenis EnlargementL-measured BEFORE and AFTER pics on these forums?

Respect,

Stevie

I haven't researched each Penis Enlargement forum in detail, but I've seen quite a few before and after pics on some of them. They do exist, you just have to know where to look (see the recommended links above).

 

[stevie7inch]

LINKS BIG AL PROVIDED TO FIND BEFORE AND AFTER LEGIT BPenis EnlargementL/ERECT GIRTH GAINS:

http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/f...splay.php?f=16

Success Stories & Other Writings - Free Penis Enlargement Exercise Forum - The Penis Enlargement Gym

Progress Reports - Penis Enlargement Forums- Penis enlargement and male enhancement[/quote]

There are even some on LPSG's Penis Enlargement Forum

Big Al,

I've spent almost two hours looking through all of those links and cannot find ANY PICTURE EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for gains. None. If anyone reading this can provide links (specific links) to gains, please let me know.

Big Al, what have your gains been? You're a Moderator here, so obviously you've done Penis Enlargement and it has worked for you. Care to share anonymous pictures of what you've gained?

ANYBODY, ANY-BODY WISH TO SHARE?

It's very strange and, unfortunately, suspicious that NO ONE on here shares their gains with picture proof. Hell, I'll be fine with AFTER BPenis EnlargementL/Erect Girth pics and you don't even have to tell me where you started from!!! It's ridiculous.

 

[stevie7inch]

PS: Just looked through the PICTURE PROOF section here and STILL, no one has BPenis EnlargementL before and after pics. Different inconsequential and non-measured angles, flaccid only measurements, and primarily links to adult entertainment videos of big guys.

 

[Big Al]

Big Al,

I've spent almost two hours looking through all of those links and cannot find ANY PICTURE EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for gains. None. If anyone reading this can provide links (specific links) to gains, please let me know.

Here are a couple I found right off the bat:

http://www.lpsg.org/89408-pe-heres-my-story-pics.html

http://www.lpsg.org/1748515-post97.html

Use keywords in your searches like "before", "after" and "pics". You'll see plenty

Big Al, what have your gains been? You're a Moderator here, so obviously you've done Penis Enlargement and it has worked for you. Care to share anonymous pictures of what you've gained?

I'm not interested in sharing pics, but for the record I added 2" in length and over 1" in girth. Since reaching my goals over 10 years ago, I've been in maintenance mode with regular [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] work.

 

[stevie7inch]

Here are a couple I found right off the bat:

http://www.lpsg.org/89408-pe-heres-my-story-pics.html

http://www.lpsg.org/1748515-post97.html

Use keywords in your searches like "before", "after" and "pics". You'll see plenty



I'm not interested in sharing pics, but for the record I added 2" in length and over 1" in girth. Since reaching my goals over 10 years ago, I've been in maintenance mode with regular [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] work.

BIG AL!

The two links you provided are problematic. I'm not going to get into WHY(unless you really want me to and then I'll make a more specific post), but those are two links whose "proof" pictures are, well, odd. And that's all I'm going to say about that.

As far as you're concerned, what exactly did you do to gain 2" in, I'm assuming, BPenis EnlargementL? If you did this 10 years ago then DLD's help wasn't a factor. Any tips?

Stevie

 

[DLD]

There will always be a way to cast doubt on a real claim. No matter how the record is made, there is always someone who will dispute it somehow. In elections there is always a doubt about how things were counted. In sports there is always a doubt about steroids or some other means of cheating, in Penis Enlargement there will always be some who will say that someone is dishonest. On line it is even worse because anyone could pretend to be someone else and lie about something they never did. There is probably a mental disorder for this type of person but many people get pleasure from acting like someone they are not, on line. I have enough time pretending to be DLD that I could never pretend to be something else Faith is the big word here. If you believe a liar and make gains despite his dishonesty, didn't you still gain?

 

[stevie7inch]

DLD,

Thanks for the response. I would appreciate it greatly if you this "Weightlifting Scenario" from my last large post. It has now become a retroactive response to your posting.

"Here's a comparison I'm about to make that will put this into perspective for EVERYBODY: Let's say I walk into a gym. There's a few people lifting weights, a few girls on the treadmill, but it's a Gold's Gym or a private gym, nothing overwhelmingly large and hyper-corporate. 20-30 people.

And let's say I walk up to a bench press bench. I, 175 pounds and overweight and weak, stand up on it and I shout: "Hey everybody! Listen up! I can bench press 400 pounds!". NO ONE, and I mean, NO ONE believes me. The laughter is strangling. And anyone who isn't there who would be there under different circumstances would not believe me either.

I lay down, a group of guys stacks the barbell with 400 pounds. The gym is silent and everyone is watching.

I grab it, heave and huff and...lo and behold, I bench press the mother fucker full on! I DO IT! I bench press 400 pounds.

I get up and walk away. Everyone, EVERYONE is stunned.

Now: there are some people who will say that I have super powers. There are some that will say I'm on steroids. There are some that will pretend they didn't see it. They are some that will think that the weights were not really 400 pounds. Some may think it's a Candid Camera prank, that the guys around the bench were in on it. And they will be a few who don't give a shit one way or another. Maybe one person will completely care and completely believe that it happened legitimately. But they too will move on.

Nevertheless, I didn't just TALK about being able to press 400 and not do it. I didn't say "I can do it, but if I do it will be a waste of time because no one will believe it really happened legitimately". See how ridiculous that sounds? I simply got down, no matter what anyone might think, and I pressed 400.

So, I ask again, respectfully and knowing personally that Penis Enlargement works (at least I know for sure jelqing does): Why does no one, having made gains and caring about giving confidence and proof for the Penis Enlargement forum family, have legitimate, BPenis EnlargementL-measured BEFORE and AFTER pics on these forums?"

Hope you've had a great holiday!

Stevie

 

[Big Al]

BIG AL!

The two links you provided are problematic. I'm not going to get into WHY(unless you really want me to and then I'll make a more specific post), but those are two links whose "proof" pictures are, well, odd. And that's all I'm going to say about that.

As far as you're concerned, what exactly did you do to gain 2" in, I'm assuming, BPenis EnlargementL? If you did this 10 years ago then DLD's help wasn't a factor. Any tips?

Stevie

That's not necessary. I think DLD summed it up nicely above.

Did you do as I recommended with some of the other sites? I was able to find all kinds of pics within seconds by doing a keyword relevant search.

My gains are BPenis EnlargementL. The first month I did the typical jelq, stretching and kegels. I put quite a bit of intensity into my workouts once I became accustomed to the exercises. After the initial basic routine, I did lots of stretches and squeezes and ramped up my [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] work.

 

[Big Al]

...Now: there are some people who will say that I have super powers. There are some that will say I'm on steroids. There are some that will pretend they didn't see it. They are some that will think that the weights were not really 400 pounds. Some may think it's a Candid Camera prank, that the guys around the bench were in on it. And they will be a few who don't give a shit one way or another. Maybe one person will completely care and completely believe that it happened legitimately. But they too will move on.

Nevertheless, I didn't just TALK about being able to press 400 and not do it. I didn't say "I can do it, but if I do it will be a waste of time because no one will believe it really happened legitimately". See how ridiculous that sounds? I simply got down, no matter what anyone might think, and I pressed 400.

So, I ask again, respectfully and knowing personally that Penis Enlargement works (at least I know for sure jelqing does):

That's a very good analogy. Some men won't believe any pics or vids unless they're there to see the measuring and to examine the ruler themselves.

Why does no one, having made gains and caring about giving confidence and proof for the Penis Enlargement forum family, have legitimate, BPenis EnlargementL-measured BEFORE and AFTER pics on these forums?"

???

I've directed you to links with many of these pics. Whether or not they fit your criteria is another matter altogether.

 

[stevie7inch]

That's not necessary. I think DLD summed it up nicely above.

Did you do as I recommended with some of the other sites? I was able to find all kinds of pics within seconds by doing a keyword relevant search.

My gains are BPenis EnlargementL. The first month I did the typical jelq, stretching and kegels. I put quite a bit of intensity into my workouts once I became accustomed to the exercises. After the initial basic routine, I did lots of stretches and squeezes and ramped up my [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] work.

Big Al,

I don't know what to say about everything you've uttered in the above quote before your BPenis EnlargementL gains details, which I appreciate.

MAYBE I should call out to anyone reading this TO PLEASE CLICK ON those TWO LINKS you provided (and this shout out is in particular to those who, like me, believe in Penis Enlargement) and they can share THEIR opinions about whether or not the posters on those two posts are completely full of shit or not. Pay attention in particular to those 18 and 19 pics and how the body end of the ruler is out of frame.

Do NOT make me out to be a hater, Al. I call it like I see it. My cock is ever so slightly larger because of the exercises I've been doing, and that's just for a few months. In your last two posts, it SEEMS you MIGHT be passive-aggressively suggesting I'm like the skeptics, and I don't appreciate it. Not interested in getting into a fight on here with you BUT also not interested in having the integrity and genuine curiosity and pre-investigation of my questions devalued publicly. Specifically, your "I've directed you to links with many of these pics. Whether or not they fit your criteria is another matter altogether" comment. Give me a break. You KNOW what I'm talking about with the possible inauthenticity of those two posts you provided, or maybe you just didn't actually look at all the photos.

And yeah, I DID do the pic search you directed me to do, and I found all types of pictures! But NONE which fit THESE ACCURATE CRITERIA!:
Before &/OR AFTER Bone Pressed Erect Pictures WHERE:
a. BOTH ENDS OF THE RULER OR TAPenis Enlargement MEASURE ARE SHOWN
b. The Body End of the RULER IS ON TOP OF THE Penis EnlargementNIS AND BONE PRESSED
c. The Numbers on The Ruler or Tape Measure Are Clear
d. BOTH Penis EnlargementNISES ARE THE SAME Penis EnlargementNISES
Please, Al, tell me if I'm missing any other criteria (OBJECTIVE, COMMON SENSICAL CRITERIA) regarding how to tell a bogus gain pic from a real one!

Keeping it real,

Stevie

 

[stevie7inch]

PS: And another thing: DLD isn't a problem here. No one disagrees with DLD's quote regarding how there will always be skeptics no matter what anyone does, and, AL, no one is disagreeing with you either regarding how some people will want to "be there" when the measuring goes down!

But when you have hundreds of people on the internet SAYING they've made gains, and then when prompted to post pics, post pics that even NON-SKEPTICS would question the authenticity of (and my above post's criteria of what legit proof pics must adhere to, yes?), you have to wonder why it is most people think that Penis Enlargement is a crock.

That's why I am going to do what I PROMISED to do with the Bib Hanger and fucking POST LEGIT PICS. That's why I'm going to be, hopefully, the post journal EVERYONE goes to when they have ANY doubt about whether or not Penis Enlargement works!

Can you feel me, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] brothers? Take the challenge! All of you! ANYONE who has gained here, show others! Don't just TALK about it! Take some Viagra, take a digital photo following the criteria for legit pics laid out in this thread, and make us proud.

If you DON'T, then don't complain about how people think Penis Enlargement is a joke.

 

[stevie7inch]

PPS: For a more accurate showing of what I'm talking about, please read this short posted thread DLD, CrazyEd and myself had going on:

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?p=327081#post327081

 

[Alpha Effusion]

A lot of people probably don't want the secret getting out. Less competition. Some people are greedy.

 

[stevie7inch]

DLD, can you please address this issue of mine? Any of the moderators? ANYBODY? You guys have been at this forever. Why do people not post pics of their gains? The usual excuses don't cut it.

 

[goinfor11x7]

Stevie,

People DO post pictures of their gains, both regular members and MODS. They don't always have before pics, that's all. Why? Most don't think of taking before pics. I didn't. I didn't even have gains in mind when I started. And most people are probably cautiously skeptical, like you. Why would they take before pics if they felt that way? What motivated me to post pics? I was thrilled to see gains in length and girth that I hadn't really expected.

And besides, I would guess that most people have no desire for whatever reason to post pics and no need to prove their progress, whether newcomers could benefit from it or not. There are a lot of considerations here when people consider posting pics--professional, personal, whatever.

And there are also a few good examples of before and after pics here on this forum. You just have to look for them.

 

[Big Al]

Big Al,

I don't know what to say about everything you've uttered in the above quote before your BPenis EnlargementL gains details, which I appreciate.

MAYBE I should call out to anyone reading this TO PLEASE CLICK ON those TWO LINKS you provided (and this shout out is in particular to those who, like me, believe in Penis Enlargement) and they can share THEIR opinions about whether or not the posters on those two posts are completely full of shit or not. Pay attention in particular to those 18 and 19 pics and how the body end of the ruler is out of frame.

Do NOT make me out to be a hater, Al. I call it like I see it. My cock is ever so slightly larger because of the exercises I've been doing, and that's just for a few months. In your last two posts, it SEEMS you MIGHT be passive-aggressively suggesting I'm like the skeptics, and I don't appreciate it. Not interested in getting into a fight on here with you BUT also not interested in having the integrity and genuine curiosity and pre-investigation of my questions devalued publicly. Specifically, your "I've directed you to links with many of these pics. Whether or not they fit your criteria is another matter altogether" comment. Give me a break. You KNOW what I'm talking about with the possible inauthenticity of those two posts you provided, or maybe you just didn't actually look at all the photos.

And yeah, I DID do the pic search you directed me to do, and I found all types of pictures! But NONE which fit THESE ACCURATE CRITERIA!:
Before &/OR AFTER Bone Pressed Erect Pictures WHERE:
a. BOTH ENDS OF THE RULER OR TAPenis Enlargement MEASURE ARE SHOWN
b. The Body End of the RULER IS ON TOP OF THE Penis EnlargementNIS AND BONE PRESSED
c. The Numbers on The Ruler or Tape Measure Are Clear
d. BOTH Penis EnlargementNISES ARE THE SAME Penis EnlargementNISES
Please, Al, tell me if I'm missing any other criteria (OBJECTIVE, COMMON SENSICAL CRITERIA) regarding how to tell a bogus gain pic from a real one!

Keeping it real,

Stevie

First, please calm down! I'm not suggesting anything about you at all so please don't jump to conclusions. On the contrary- I think your motives are good- you just need to tweak your approach a bit. I've been involved in this profession for a long time and my longevity wouldn't have been possible if I didn't have a bit of a thick skin and a knack for dealing will all kinds of POVs

That being said...

Statements that suggests that ALL of the pics available on the multitude of Penis Enlargement forums are illegitimate, that the OPs are "completely full of shit", and encouraging others to criticize (unless you have irrefutable proof that the images in question are faked) is insulting to the OP and will do nothing but discourage future postings of pics. There's nothing constructive about that kind of approach. Criticizing the legitimacy of an image because they didn't fit your list of criteria doesn't help either.

One of the pic links I provided was from a very well respected member of several Penis Enlargement forums who has contributed quite a bit to the Penis Enlargement community over the past few years. That might not mean much to some but it does to me. I sincerely doubt that this gentleman faked his pics and he had nothing to gain by posting them. I saw them awhile back and they looked real to me then. There was even a criticism of his pictures on the thread that I provided you, along with his response.

It's easy to say that a pic is "fake" by claiming inconsistencies with shadows, lines, angles, smudges, etc. The fact is, you're usually not dealing with professional photographers here. There's bound to be some things that don't look "perfect".

Most men are already reluctant about putting pics of their most private parts on the net for everyone to see. Part of that reluctance is likely due to the almost inevitable certainty that someone, eventually, is going to come along and accuse them of fixing the image.

Examples- there are some threads posted in a very popular forum in which the before and after images were in extreme detail, some were in video format, and even a couple in which the participants were measured in front of members of the press. The subjects were criticized very harshly and statements like "even videos can be faked" and (regarding the press) "it must have been an inside job" were thrown around liberally. What do you think things like that do for the Penis Enlargement community, not to mention to the individual that posted his images? Remember, theres a human being behind those images.

I sincerely hope that when it comes time for you to post your pics that you aren't the target of accusations. If they get around, I almost guarantee that someone will eventually come along and find ways to "prove" that your pics were faked. Experience has shown me that that's just the way things usually happen.

 

[stevie7inch]

First, please calm down! I'm not suggesting anything about you at all so please don't jump to conclusions. On the contrary- I think your motives are good- you just need to tweak your approach a bit. I've been involved in this profession for a long time and my longevity wouldn't have been possible if I didn't have a bit of a thick skin and a knack for dealing will all kinds of POVs

That being said...

Statements that suggests that ALL of the pics available on the multitude of Penis Enlargement forums are illegitimate, that the OPs are "completely full of shit", and encouraging others to criticize (unless you have irrefutable proof that the images in question are faked) is insulting to the OP and will do nothing but discourage future postings of pics. There's nothing constructive about that kind of approach. Criticizing the legitimacy of an image because they didn't fit your list of criteria doesn't help either.

One of the pic links I provided was from a very well respected member of several Penis Enlargement forums who has contributed quite a bit to the Penis Enlargement community over the past few years. That might not mean much to some but it does to me. I sincerely doubt that this gentleman faked his pics and he had nothing to gain by posting them. I saw them awhile back and they looked real to me then. There was even a criticism of his pictures on the thread that I provided you, along with his response.

It's easy to say that a pic is "fake" by claiming inconsistencies with shadows, lines, angles, smudges, etc. The fact is, you're usually not dealing with professional photographers here. There's bound to be some things that don't look "perfect".

Most men are already reluctant about putting pics of their most private parts on the net for everyone to see. Part of that reluctance is likely due to the almost inevitable certainty that someone, eventually, is going to come along and accuse them of fixing the image.

Examples- there are some threads posted in a very popular forum in which the before and after images were in extreme detail, some were in video format, and even a couple in which the participants were measured in front of members of the press. The subjects were criticized very harshly and statements like "even videos can be faked" and (regarding the press) "it must have been an inside job" were thrown around liberally. What do you think things like that do for the Penis Enlargement community, not to mention to the individual that posted his images? Remember, theres a human being behind those images.

I sincerely hope that when it comes time for you to post your pics that you aren't the target of accusations. If they get around, I almost guarantee that someone will eventually come along and find ways to "prove" that your pics were faked. Experience has shown me that that's just the way things usually happen.

1. Why you're telling me to PLEASE CALM DOWN boggles my mind a bit. Maybe it's because I called you out on your previous post (your links and their "authenticity", perhaps?), but I was calm and thoughtful then as I am now. If ANY intensity was to be picked up from the previous postings of mine, they were due to enthusiasm.
2. In response to: "Statements that suggests that ALL of the pics available on the multitude of Penis Enlargement forums are illegitimate, that the OPs are "completely full of shit", and encouraging others to criticize (unless you have irrefutable proof that the images in question are faked) is insulting to the OP and will do nothing but discourage future postings of pics."...
Um, Big Al, where do I specifically STATE that ALL OF THE PICS ARE ILLEGITIMATE? I don't. And where am I encouraging others to criticize fellow Penis Enlargementers? I don't. Find the quotes!
I, for one, state that Penis Enlargement works. I also state that the main reason why people don't believe in Penis Enlargement is because there isn't any APPROPRIATELY MEASURED (DLD) picture proof. AND THEN, BELIEVING IN Penis Enlargement AND Penis Enlargementers!, I THEN MAKE A CALL TO THEM TO SHOW THEIR GAINS WITH LEGITIMATE MEASUREMENTS! That's all I did. DLD started this thread because HE'S sick and tired of people not believing and questioned all of us (see that QUESTION MARK in the thread title?) why people don't believe.
3. "There's nothing constructive about that kind of approach. Criticizing the legitimacy of an image because they didn't fit your list of criteria doesn't help either."
Al, that WOULD be a non constructive approach if that WAS my approach, but it wasn't. I just disagreed with you in a public forum (check out your supportive words in your previous posts before I criticized you). And I believe, as DLD has stated, as the ONLY PROPenis EnlargementR WAY TO MEASURE A Penis EnlargementNIS, the "criteria" I supposedly am applying SO UNFAIRLY to measure the legitimacy of an image is: 1. Ruler 2. Both ends showing 3. Fully erect 4. Bone Pressed Erect Length measurements. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I'M BEING SO UNREASONABLE ABOUT?
4. "One of the pic links I provided was from a very well respected member of several Penis Enlargement forums who has contributed quite a bit to the Penis Enlargement community over the past few years. That might not mean much to some but it does to me. I sincerely doubt that this gentleman faked his pics and he had nothing to gain by posting them. I saw them awhile back and they looked real to me then. There was even a criticism of his pictures on the thread that I provided you, along with his response."
Irrelevant. It's nothing personal and, yes, I DID read the responses. Nevertheless, this person you defend did not follow DLD's rules for accurate measurements in those photos. Take it up with DLD to change the rules we are all abiding by.
5. "It's easy to say that a pic is "fake" by claiming inconsistencies with shadows, lines, angles, smudges, etc. The fact is, you're usually not dealing with professional photographers here. There's bound to be some things that don't look "perfect".
So what you're saying is this: It takes a "professional photographer" to: 1. get a full erection 2. With one hand hold a ruler BONE PRESSED and 3. With the other take a full picture? This is the only way DLD says you can accurately measure and prove someone's size. I'm confused if that's your argument.
6. "Most men are already reluctant about putting pics of their most private parts on the net for everyone to see. Part of that reluctance is likely due to the almost inevitable certainty that someone, eventually, is going to come along and accuse them of fixing the image."
ANSWER: So what? So what if someone thinks I've faked an image? I can tell you one thing for certain: The fewest amount of people will say I've faked it IF I take the appropriate measured picture. And that's all I'm asking anyone to do. It's the easiest thing in the world. All of these people whose photos up on this forum and elsewhere you defend I SUPPORT! I WANT them to prove it to the world that they have made gains. All I'M SAYING is that they go about it the wrong way and should heed DLD's words when it comes to measuring.
7. "Examples- there are some threads posted in a very popular forum in which the before and after images were in extreme detail, some were in video format, and even a couple in which the participants were measured in front of members of the press. The subjects were criticized very harshly and statements like "even videos can be faked" and (regarding the press) "it must have been an inside job" were thrown around liberally. What do you think things like that do for the Penis Enlargement community, not to mention to the individual that posted his images? Remember, theres a human being behind those images."
That sucks. I feel very bad for ALL of those individuals. But if, gosh darn, they had JUST TAKEN appropriate BPenis EnlargementL and Erect Girth measurements FULLY on camera, on video, etc: then I'm sure they would have endured MUCH LESS ridicule, if any at all.
8. And finally: "I sincerely hope that when it comes time for you to post your pics that you aren't the target of accusations. If they get around, I almost guarantee that someone will eventually come along and find ways to "prove" that your pics were faked. Experience has shown me that that's just the way things usually happen."
BIG AL, you know what, I won't give a shit. And you're the first one I am emailing when I start this BEFORE AND AFTER thread of mine. If I follow DLD's rules for accurate measurement and take pictures, most everyone will know that it's the best I can do, the best anyone can do (and on video even more convincingly).

Those are the facts. I'm not here to disparage ANYONE. I want DLD to become the most famous male-confidence-building guru in history; I'm a believer because I follow his advice! I want everyone in the world to never have to endure the ridicule of having a micro penis. I want nothing but the best for us. I read DLD's work and it's right on. HE is the one that tells us how to properly measure and yet no one I know of (and, like I've asked you, Al, who keeps telling me there are SO MANY photos out there of this) has posted these appropriate videos and pics. I will do so by the end of this week!

Sorry, Big Al, maybe you should have emailed me instead.

 

[stevie7inch]

PS: For review: How To Properly Measure...

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1758

 

[stevie7inch]

Stevie,

People DO post pictures of their gains, both regular members and MODS. They don't always have before pics, that's all. Why? Most don't think of taking before pics. I didn't. I didn't even have gains in mind when I started. And most people are probably cautiously skeptical, like you. Why would they take before pics if they felt that way? What motivated me to post pics? I was thrilled to see gains in length and girth that I hadn't really expected.

And besides, I would guess that most people have no desire for whatever reason to post pics and no need to prove their progress, whether newcomers could benefit from it or not. There are a lot of considerations here when people consider posting pics--professional, personal, whatever.

And there are also a few good examples of before and after pics here on this forum. You just have to look for them.

I am still looking for pictures, Before & After or JUST After, that specifically follow DLD's criteria on BPenis EnlargementL and Girth measurements AND which show both ends of the ruler and clear ruler numbers. Do you remember VADERIC's photos? The were BPenis EnlargementL all the way, with both ends showing, but while the cock was close to the camera, the numbers on the ruler were, well, let's just say difficult to read. THAT is the closest I've ever seen to a true measured pic.

I REALLY want to find the ones you speak of. And thanks for fully reading my posts and for your lucid response: It's great when a Moderator leaves emotion out of the picture. It sets a great example. I appreciate it wholeheartedly.

 

[Big Al]

1. Why you're telling me to PLEASE CALM DOWN boggles my mind a bit. Maybe it's because I called you out on your previous post (your links and their "authenticity", perhaps?), but I was calm and thoughtful then as I am now. If ANY intensity was to be picked up from the previous postings of mine, they were due to enthusiasm.

I'm asking you to calm down because your posts are becoming overdefensive. This subject would be better handled more objectively.

Before I proceed, please understand that you and I are not on opposite sides. You're not on my "list" and I'm not labeling you as a "hater". I'm kindly asking that you make less generalizations and that you be less abrasive. I assure you, this will do a lot more for what you're trying to accomplish. For the record, you haven't "called me out" on anything. I never guaranteed with 100% certainty that the pics that I referred to are authentic, only that I believe they are.

2. In response to: "Statements that suggests that ALL of the pics available on the multitude of Penis Enlargement forums are illegitimate, that the OPs are "completely full of shit", and encouraging others to criticize (unless you have irrefutable proof that the images in question are faked) is insulting to the OP and will do nothing but discourage future postings of pics."...
Um, Big Al, where do I specifically STATE that ALL OF THE PICS ARE ILLEGITIMATE? I don't. And where am I encouraging others to criticize fellow Penis Enlargementers? I don't. Find the quotes!

"Why does no one, having made gains and caring about giving confidence and proof for the Penis Enlargement forum family, have legitimate, BPenis EnlargementL-measured BEFORE and AFTER pics on these forums?"

"It's very strange and, unfortunately, suspicious that NO ONE on here shares their gains with picture proof. Hell, I'll be fine with AFTER BPenis EnlargementL/Erect Girth pics and you don't even have to tell me where you started from!!! It's ridiculous."

"MAYBE I should call out to anyone reading this TO PLEASE CLICK ON those TWO LINKS you provided (and this shout out is in particular to those who, like me, believe in Penis Enlargement) and they can share THEIR opinions about whether or not the posters on those two posts are completely full of shit or not. Pay attention in particular to those 18 and 19 pics and how the body end of the ruler is out of frame."

(Emphasis mine)

As some of the other members and I previously pointed out, these images do exist on the various forums. If you have been through all of the forums and seen all of the pics, them your statements suggest that you don't believe them to be legitimate. I highly doubt that you've been through each and every forum, so your statements are premature.

I, for one, state that Penis Enlargement works. I also state that the main reason why people don't believe in Penis Enlargement is because there isn't any APPROPRIATELY MEASURED (DLD) picture proof. AND THEN, BELIEVING IN Penis Enlargement AND Penis Enlargementers!, I THEN MAKE A CALL TO THEM TO SHOW THEIR GAINS WITH LEGITIMATE MEASUREMENTS! That's all I did. DLD started this thread because HE'S sick and tired of people not believing and questioned all of us (see that QUESTION MARK in the thread title?) why people don't believe.

(Emphasis mine)

There are pictures of DLD measuring himself throughout this site and on some of the other forums. That's part of what I'm referring to when I stated for you to calm down- you're jumping to conclusions and coming across as a bit abrasive. The all caps don't help.

3. "There's nothing constructive about that kind of approach. Criticizing the legitimacy of an image because they didn't fit your list of criteria doesn't help either."
Al, that WOULD be a non constructive approach if that WAS my approach, but it wasn't. I just disagreed with you in a public forum (check out your supportive words in your previous posts before I criticized you). And I believe, as DLD has stated, as the ONLY PROPenis EnlargementR WAY TO MEASURE A Penis EnlargementNIS, the "criteria" I supposedly am applying SO UNFAIRLY to measure the legitimacy of an image is: 1. Ruler 2. Both ends showing 3. Fully erect 4. Bone Pressed Erect Length measurements. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I'M BEING SO UNREASONABLE ABOUT?

No.

Stevie, I'm not disagreeing with what you're trying to do. I think a localized collection of before and after pics taken under strict conditions that aren't associated with a commercial endeavor and that are somehow verified would be a great thing for Penis Enlargement. The problem I have is with the tone of your posts and the offhanded comments you're making without your having fully reviewed all of the available data. Like the old saying goes- you'll attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.

4. "One of the pic links I provided was from a very well respected member of several Penis Enlargement forums who has contributed quite a bit to the Penis Enlargement community over the past few years. That might not mean much to some but it does to me. I sincerely doubt that this gentleman faked his pics and he had nothing to gain by posting them. I saw them awhile back and they looked real to me then. There was even a criticism of his pictures on the thread that I provided you, along with his response."
Irrelevant. It's nothing personal and, yes, I DID read the responses. Nevertheless, this person you defend did not follow DLD's rules for accurate measurements in those photos. Take it up with DLD to change the rules we are all abiding by.

This site, while great and very popular, is but one relatively small and comparatively recent corner of the entire Penis Enlargement community. To assume that everyone measuring and posting pics across the net abides by one set of rules that may be particular to this site is arrogant. You'll have to keep that in mind when seeing Penis Enlargement pics- especially ones coming from outside of this forum. If you continue to search the net, you'll find many Penis Enlargement progress pics- some which may come close to what you're looking for.

I think it is relevant that the person in question posting their pics is a member of the Penis Enlargement community whose character is in very good standing. That person was involved in helping the Penis Enlargement community well before this site even came into existence. You have to base your judgment on something, and I'm inclined to believe someone like him.

5. "It's easy to say that a pic is "fake" by claiming inconsistencies with shadows, lines, angles, smudges, etc. The fact is, you're usually not dealing with professional photographers here. There's bound to be some things that don't look "perfect".
So what you're saying is this: It takes a "professional photographer" to: 1. get a full erection 2. With one hand hold a ruler BONE PRESSED and 3. With the other take a full picture? This is the only way DLD says you can accurately measure and prove someone's size. I'm confused if that's your argument.

Before you respond again please do a thorough search on some of the other Penis Enlargement forums. Even when the pics fit most or all of the criteria you've outlined, you'll find claims of photoshopping, deceptive angles, faked rulers, etc. The most legitimate looking pics, the biggest gain claims, and the ones with extra large penises fall under the most intense scrutiny.

6. "Most men are already reluctant about putting pics of their most private parts on the net for everyone to see. Part of that reluctance is likely due to the almost inevitable certainty that someone, eventually, is going to come along and accuse them of fixing the image."
ANSWER: So what? So what if someone thinks I've faked an image? I can tell you one thing for certain: The fewest amount of people will say I've faked it IF I take the appropriate measured picture. And that's all I'm asking anyone to do. It's the easiest thing in the world. All of these people whose photos up on this forum and elsewhere you defend I SUPPORT! I WANT them to prove it to the world that they have made gains. All I'M SAYING is that they go about it the wrong way and should heed DLD's words when it comes to measuring.

(Emphasis mine)

Depending on where your pics end up on (the high quality ones do get around), I think you'll be unpleasantly surprised. I'm not saying this to discourage you (on the contrary), just to prepare you.

7. "Examples- there are some threads posted in a very popular forum in which the before and after images were in extreme detail, some were in video format, and even a couple in which the participants were measured in front of members of the press. The subjects were criticized very harshly and statements like "even videos can be faked" and (regarding the press) "it must have been an inside job" were thrown around liberally. What do you think things like that do for the Penis Enlargement community, not to mention to the individual that posted his images? Remember, theres a human being behind those images."
That sucks. I feel very bad for ALL of those individuals. But if, gosh darn, they had JUST TAKEN appropriate BPenis EnlargementL and Erect Girth measurements FULLY on camera, on video, etc: then I'm sure they would have endured MUCH LESS ridicule, if any at all.

See above.

8. And finally: "I sincerely hope that when it comes time for you to post your pics that you aren't the target of accusations. If they get around, I almost guarantee that someone will eventually come along and find ways to "prove" that your pics were faked. Experience has shown me that that's just the way things usually happen."
BIG AL, you know what, I won't give a shit. And you're the first one I am emailing when I start this BEFORE AND AFTER thread of mine. If I follow DLD's rules for accurate measurement and take pictures, most everyone will know that it's the best I can do, the best anyone can do (and on video even more convincingly).

Rather than emailing them to me, why don't you set up a blog. Try to get a collection of pics taken under the same criteria. That will do more for your cause.

Those are the facts. I'm not here to disparage ANYONE. I want DLD to become the most famous male-confidence-building guru in history; I'm a believer because I follow his advice! I want everyone in the world to never have to endure the ridicule of having a micro penis. I want nothing but the best for us. I read DLD's work and it's right on. HE is the one that tells us how to properly measure and yet no one I know of (and, like I've asked you, Al, who keeps telling me there are SO MANY photos out there of this) has posted these appropriate videos and pics. I will do so by the end of this week!

Sorry, Big Al, maybe you should have emailed me instead.

Not a problem Just do me a favor- next time you see a set of pics from another forum, please don't be so quick to pass judgment. They may not ascribe to the same set of rules as you do, but they're still valuable as evidence that Penis Enlargement worked for them.

 

[stevie7inch]

Big Al,

For the most part, excellent clarifications of your previous points. I appreciate it.

But, just for the record, in reponse to your previous post:

1. I'm sorry you think that CAPS INDICATE OVERDEFENSIVENESS AND AGGRESSION. I write lyrically, so in my mind when someone is reading and hearing a voice say the words, the voice raises slightly at CAPPenis EnlargementD words for emphasis.

2. I've been extremely objective and extremely OFFENSIVE (as opposed to defensive) about many things during this thread, and granted, there may have been a few points I could have been MORE objective of. Point taken. Then again, everyone can simply read for themselves whether or not they think this and make their own assumptions.

However, the one thing I have been immovable on is the criteria with which these pictures (and again, YOU say there's many of them, I say they're aren't, but I'll get to that in a second) are taken: DLD's Measuring Rules.

3. Don't get the "emphasis MINE" in your rebuttals.

4. Your quote: "If you have been through all of the forums and seen all of the pics, them your statements suggest that you don't believe them to be legitimate. I highly doubt that you've been through each and every forum, so your statements are premature."

You took the time, Al, to find quotes of mine and mark them in your last response to show that I: 1. state that NO ONE has these SPenis EnlargementCIFIC pics I'm looking for and 2. that I said that TWO OF YOUR LINKS of PICS YOU THINK ARE LEGIT were SO NOT LEGIT OBJECTIVELY that I used the phrase "completely full of shit.///There are pictures of DLD measuring himself throughout this site and on some of the other forums. That's part of what I'm referring to when I stated for you to calm down- you're jumping to conclusions and coming across as a bit abrasive. The all caps don't help. ".

REPSONSE TO ALL THAT?: 1. I have done numerous searches on BIB HANGER FORUM, here, Penis Enlargement GYM thingy and some searches on Thunder's. I have looked at at least 75 threads where the person purports to have the pics. I looked at them: lots of different kinds of pics (many of which could very well be legitimate!) but NONE OF THEM FIT MY CRITERIA (oops, AND DLD's) for TRUE BPenis EnlargementL/Erect Girth measurements. None. AND I DID THESE SEARCHES in the beginning of my posts. So you're completely and totally 100% wrong to say that I haven't been looking far and wide. 2. Where are these pics of DLD? Anyone? I've also searched them. I found a number 10 pic on the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] website that is small, the ruler numbers are completely unreadable, etc. from years ago; I'm sure you know it. DLD is for real. Where are the others? And is he fully erect in them? Appropriately measured? I'm not being a dick here, but you're saying I haven't looked around and I have. Also, no one who is reading these posts is putting in their two cents either regarding where to find them.

Which begs the questions: You. Why haven't YOU, since you obviously know where these pics are, shown them to me? DLD said that he has BPenis EnlargementL measured pics of Ramone (Jaz?) and that he'll post them. Since you KNOW where they are, I am begging you (seriously) to show me them. You keep saying they are around.

5. This quote gets me: "To assume that everyone measuring and posting pics across the net abides by one set of rules that may be particular to this site is arrogant.": Arrogant, huh? Now YOU'RE being arrogant. That IS THE one rule on how to measure your true size! That's like saying there's more than one way to touch the tip of your index finger to the tip of your nose. Just because people don't do it DLD's way doesn't mean they shouldn't! What's another way to measure that is as completely and totally accurate as the criteria DLD breaks out? And even if someone didn't know DLD or [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] or any of this, the accurate way of measuring this way is ALL OVER THE NET. You accuse me of being aggressive? How else not to be when I'm being told something so absurd?

6. "Depending on where your pics end up on (the high quality ones do get around), I think you'll be unpleasantly surprised. I'm not saying this to discourage you (on the contrary), just to prepare you."

And?

7. "Just do me a favor- next time you see a set of pics from another forum, please don't be so quick to pass judgment. They may not ascribe to the same set of rules as you do, but they're still valuable as evidence that Penis Enlargement worked for them.":
The biggest quote of yours of all time here.

This goes out NOT to Big Al, but for everyone else who is reading: I don't care WHAT forum you post pics on, if you are a Penis Enlargementer and you are doing it to HELP people, I support you, no matter HOW you take the pictures. I'm serious. But do yourselves a favor from here on out (emphasis: here on out): take them the right way. As Big Al says: "Stevie, I'm not disagreeing with what you're trying to do. I think a localized collection of before and after pics taken under strict conditions that aren't associated with a commercial endeavor and that are somehow verified would be a great thing for Penis Enlargement."

Everybody, whether I come off as abrasive (Big Al unfortunately thinks so; anybody else?), or constructive or whatever, LISTEN TO BIG AL'S RED MARKED QUOTE ABOVE! Here's a moderator, a successful Penis Enlargementer giving you the goods. And "strict conditions", at minimum, mean (and correct me if I'm wrong, Big Al), following simple rules: 1. Full erection, 2. Ruler with both ends and numbers clearly shown BONE PRESSED and 3. Clear photograph. THAT is all I'm asking for.

Big Al, you care, you're well-informed, and my apologies if I came across as anything other than concerned, informed (based on all my searches for these pics and genuine curiosity) and hopeful that someday this whole Penis Enlargement thing can come out from the underground and the minimum size of a male's dingaling will be, oh I don't know, 8"?

Penis EnlargementACE AND LOVE AND HAPPY NEW YEAR (in Caps)

Stevie

 

[Big Al]

Big Al,

For the most part, excellent clarifications of your previous points. I appreciate it.

But, just for the record, in reponse to your previous post:

1. I'm sorry you think that CAPS INDICATE OVERDEFENSIVENESS AND AGGRESSION. I write lyrically, so in my mind when someone is reading and hearing a voice say the words, the voice raises slightly at CAPPenis EnlargementD words for emphasis.

Thanks for clearing that up. It's almost universally understood that typing in all caps means "shouting", so I assumed you were upset.

2. I've been extremely objective and extremely OFFENSIVE (as opposed to defensive) about many things during this thread, and granted, there may have been a few points I could have been MORE objective of. Point taken. Then again, everyone can simply read for themselves whether or not they think this and make their own assumptions.

My claim of your being defensive was about your statements about me making you out to be a "hater", etc. That wasn't my intention.

However, the one thing I have been immovable on is the criteria with which these pictures (and again, YOU say there's many of them, I say they're aren't, but I'll get to that in a second) are taken: DLD's Measuring Rules.

3. Don't get the "emphasis MINE" in your rebuttals.

I bolded some parts of your quotes for emphasis.

4. Your quote: "If you have been through all of the forums and seen all of the pics, them your statements suggest that you don't believe them to be legitimate. I highly doubt that you've been through each and every forum, so your statements are premature."

You took the time, Al, to find quotes of mine and mark them in your last response to show that I: 1. state that NO ONE has these SPenis EnlargementCIFIC pics I'm looking for and 2. that I said that TWO OF YOUR LINKS of PICS YOU THINK ARE LEGIT were SO NOT LEGIT OBJECTIVELY that I used the phrase "completely full of shit.///There are pictures of DLD measuring himself throughout this site and on some of the other forums. That's part of what I'm referring to when I stated for you to calm down- you're jumping to conclusions and coming across as a bit abrasive. The all caps don't help. ".

REPSONSE TO ALL THAT?: 1. I have done numerous searches on BIB HANGER FORUM, here, Penis Enlargement GYM thingy and some searches on Thunder's. I have looked at at least 75 threads where the person purports to have the pics. I looked at them: lots of different kinds of pics (many of which could very well be legitimate!) but NONE OF THEM FIT MY CRITERIA (oops, AND DLD's) for TRUE BPenis EnlargementL/Erect Girth measurements. None. AND I DID THESE SEARCHES in the beginning of my posts. So you're completely and totally 100% wrong to say that I haven't been looking far and wide.

I stated that there were a lot of credible before and after pics and that many of them should come close to your criteria. The fact that they don't fit all of your specific criteria shouldn't invalidate them or be met with such criticism. In my opinion, as long as the before and after pictures are measured consistently for each pic, it's a valid testimonial.

2. Where are these pics of DLD? Anyone? I've also searched them. I found a number 10 pic on the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] website that is small, the ruler numbers are completely unreadable, etc. from years ago; I'm sure you know it. DLD is for real. Where are the others? And is he fully erect in them? Appropriately measured? I'm not being a dick here, but you're saying I haven't looked around and I have. Also, no one who is reading these posts is putting in their two cents either regarding where to find them.

Which begs the questions: You. Why haven't YOU, since you obviously know where these pics are, shown them to me? DLD said that he has BPenis EnlargementL measured pics of Ramone (Jaz?) and that he'll post them. Since you KNOW where they are, I am begging you (seriously) to show me them. You keep saying they are around.

Well, I went to check a link where his pics used to be (http://mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34) and they're not up anymore. There are pics of DLD measuring himself at another forum, but I'd rather not bring up the link since the post containing the link is filled with very offensive statements. If you know which forum I'm referring to, you'll certainly find it there without too much trouble. Perhaps DLD or one of his admins can post the pics that used to be up on that [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] link, or just PM it to you.

5. This quote gets me: "To assume that everyone measuring and posting pics across the net abides by one set of rules that may be particular to this site is arrogant.": Arrogant, huh? Now YOU'RE being arrogant. That IS THE one rule on how to measure your true size! That's like saying there's more than one way to touch the tip of your index finger to the tip of your nose. Just because people don't do it DLD's way doesn't mean they shouldn't! What's another way to measure that is as completely and totally accurate as the criteria DLD breaks out? And even if someone didn't know DLD or [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] or any of this, the accurate way of measuring this way is ALL OVER THE NET. You accuse me of being aggressive? How else not to be when I'm being told something so absurd?

The arrogance is in your demand that everyone else do so and that it's the defacto standard just because it's the method that you've adopted. How about measuring from the side. Or NBPenis Enlargement (many, including some health professionals, consider that method to be the only way to measure). Or flaccid stretched. Some men even measure along the underside, although most of us consider that "cheating". I've even heard of guys measuring using water displacement, which would actually be the best method for showing total volumetric gains (if done correctly). They all have their place and each measures a different aspect of progress. If you're content if measuring in just one fashion, more power to you.

By alienating what other people have done in this community by claiming their pics aren't good enough creates schisms. That's really the last thing we need- the subject of Penis Enlargement is scrutinized enough by much of the world as it is. We'll accomplish a lot more by working together than by getting upset over what's essentially a trivial topic.

6. "Depending on where your pics end up on (the high quality ones do get around), I think you'll be unpleasantly surprised. I'm not saying this to discourage you (on the contrary), just to prepare you."

And?

More power to you then I just hope that you're as prepared to defend yourself there with the vigor you've done here. All the better if it doesn't bother you at all.

7. "Just do me a favor- next time you see a set of pics from another forum, please don't be so quick to pass judgment. They may not ascribe to the same set of rules as you do, but they're still valuable as evidence that Penis Enlargement worked for them.":
The biggest quote of yours of all time here.

This goes out NOT to Big Al, but for everyone else who is reading: I don't care WHAT forum you post pics on, if you are a Penis Enlargementer and you are doing it to HELP people, I support you, no matter HOW you take the pictures. I'm serious. But do yourselves a favor from here on out (emphasis: here on out): take them the right way. As Big Al says: "Stevie, I'm not disagreeing with what you're trying to do. I think a localized collection of before and after pics taken under strict conditions that aren't associated with a commercial endeavor and that are somehow verified would be a great thing for Penis Enlargement."

Everybody, whether I come off as abrasive (Big Al unfortunately thinks so; anybody else?), or constructive or whatever, LISTEN TO BIG AL'S RED MARKED QUOTE ABOVE! Here's a moderator, a successful Penis Enlargementer giving you the goods. And "strict conditions", at minimum, mean (and correct me if I'm wrong, Big Al), following simple rules: 1. Full erection, 2. Ruler with both ends and numbers clearly shown BONE PRESSED and 3. Clear photograph. THAT is all I'm asking for.

That's a very good set of criteria. Not everyone may be able to comply with them though (for whatever reason). I definitely agree on most of your points. Erect bone pressed measurement pics are the best because they show the best proof of real gains. To show progress, they should be measured in all images at the same angle, from the same position, and using the same measuring device each time for maximum consistency. I've even seen some pics with coins or other common objects next to the ruler for references. That would further strengthen the evidence.

Clarity and good lighting should also be sought after, but that can be affected by the quality of the equipment, the photographic environment, and the computer program the images are saved to. You should make the image reasonably large to get the entire penis in one shot and to avoid having the image degrade too much from the upload. I also advise measuring with a cloth tape measure as opposed to a ruler so that you get a more accurate reading by measuring along the curve. Using Vaseline or similarly viscous lube should help the tape stick.

From dealing with numerous clients, I've learned from them that the best pics are taken with a programmable camera that allows you to use both your hands (for measuring and positioning) or by someone else to take the pic for you while you're setting up.

Big Al, you care, you're well-informed, and my apologies if I came across as anything other than concerned, informed (based on all my searches for these pics and genuine curiosity) and hopeful that someday this whole Penis Enlargement thing came come out from the underground and the minimum size of a male's dingaling will be, oh I don't know, 8"?

Penis EnlargementACE AND LOVE AND HAPPY NEW YEAR (in Caps)

Stevie

Thank you for your kind words. Like I said before, you and I are on the same side. We don't have to agree on everything as long as we agree that Penis Enlargement is something that should be globally accepted and appreciated.

It's not going to be easy to "legitimize" Penis Enlargement, but many of us here and on the other forums are doing the best we can. I've been at it for over 10 years and I've seen some progress. It'll happen soon enough- mark my words.

A sincere Happy Holidays and a New Year to you as well!

 

[lili9zero]

All this back and forth, yet there is not a single honest, non-tampered, accurately measured picture to back up claims made by those who say they've gained 2"-4". Why are members so easily persuaded when there isn't any evidence for these claims?

I believe Penis Enlargement is a good thing and have been doing it many years. It has strengthen my cock, got it a little bigger and longer, but 2-4" is a far stretch. I am in agreement with Stevie. We are all appreciative of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words], but let's see some proof.

 

[spinner2]

For 2" growth before and after pictures go to Thunders and search for Bennet8.

 

[stevie7inch]

Hey Al,

1. Like I said in the last posting (you actually quoted me on it in the next response!): "This goes out NOT to Big Al, but for everyone else who is reading: I don't care WHAT forum you post pics on, if you are a Penis Enlargementer and you are doing it to HELP people, I support you, no matter HOW you take the pictures. I'm serious."

See, (and now more than ever I see how much IN AGREEMENT we are, which is awesome and now this wave of mutual understanding needs to be ridden by us so we can figure out a way to make this kind of measuring and pic taking a usual thing: I will be glad to do it first), here's what confuses me:

1. You say "I stated that there were a lot of credible before and after pics and that many of them should come close to your criteria. The fact that they don't fit all of your specific criteria shouldn't invalidate them or be met with such criticism. In my opinion, as long as the before and after pictures are measured consistently for each pic, it's a valid testimonial." YET then state "The arrogance is in your demand that everyone else do so and that it's the defacto standard just because it's the method that you've adopted. How about measuring from the side. Or NBPenis Enlargement (many, including some health professionals, consider that method to be the only way to measure). Or flaccid stretched. Some men even measure along the underside, although most of us consider that "cheating". I've even heard of guys measuring using water displacement, which would actually be the best method for showing total volumetric gains (if done correctly). They all have their place and each measures a different aspect of progress. If you're content if measuring in just one fashion, more power to you." AND THEN STATE RIGHT AFTER THIS: "Erect bone pressed measurement pics are the best because they show the best proof of real gains."

I'm seriously confused. No joking around and no getting pissy; REALLY confused. The Defacto Standard? MY Standard?

DLD and anyone who has a penis knows about how MUCH of your cock can go into someone knows it all stops at that public bone. Everyone in the Penis Enlargement community knows this for sure. You yourself just admitted it it's the "best" (meaning MOST ACCURATE, RIGHT, CORRECT, etc.).

So why would you bring up all these other known methods of measuring when, even IF those folks who took those pics were in earnest, knew that the ULTIMATE way of measuring is BPenis EnlargementL? I can go Frank Zappa on many different types of measurements. I can come up with so many that we could have a great laugh over it all, come up with ALL different types of numbers. And I could get others, unknowingly, to do the same, MANY others (just like people are conned by these full of shit adult entertainment stars who get "measured" like in Bang Bros where they look 11" but they're really BPenis EnlargementL 7" or 8"). But, no matter what I do and what numbers I give, I'm not doing the appropriate measurement. You obviously, and rightly so, agree to this.

NOW, I WILL say that it is very possible that people sometimes see others taking pics at less than accurate angles (I will leave out negative words like 'bogus', 'incorrect' and 'deceptive' because you've already, even after I explained how seriously caring my intentions were, accused me of "alienating what other people have done in this community by claiming their pics aren't good enough") and then assume that's the way to do it. Some people are just inept, many are earnest, etc. And yes, there are a select few who are wasting everyone's time.

You and I and everyone obviously needs to correct this. If we want to bring Penis Enlargement out of the underground, THIS is the first step. Young men watching adult entertainment will KNOW when these "huge" guys are measured incorrectly that they are obviously hiding something and that will help DRAMATICALLY their psyches. That's just one positive in what should be millions of them if everyone here took BPenis EnlargementL's. I am embarking on a huge mission, getting 2" legit BPenis EnlargementL inches out of me, and now I'm even more stoked to do it.

2. "We'll accomplish a lot more by working together than by getting upset over what's essentially a trivial topic."

:O

Show of honest hands: Who here thinks that THIS TOPIC, and I'm especially looking for feedback from serious Penis Enlargementers, is a "trivial" topic? Namely, finding a uniform way of doing precise measurements for yourself, the Penis Enlargement community and skeptics? Or why it is that there are so few accurate examples following what even Al has admitted is the "best" way to measure? LILI9ZERO doesn't think its trivial. I know for SURE DLD doesn't think its trivial, and he started this whole world of exercise and goal achieving and support.

Do YOU, Big Al, REALLY think this is all trivial?

3. "To show progress, they should be measured in all images at the same angle, from the same position, and using the same measuring device each time for maximum consistency. I've even seen some pics with coins or other common objects next to the ruler for references. That would further strengthen the evidence. Clarity and good lighting should also be sought after, but that can be affected by the quality of the equipment, the photographic environment, and the computer program the images are saved to. You should make the image reasonably large to get the entire penis in one shot and to avoid having the image degrade too much from the upload. I also advise measuring with a cloth tape measure as opposed to a ruler so that you get a more accurate reading by measuring along the curve. Using Vaseline or similarly viscous lube should help the tape stick. From dealing with numerous clients, I've learned from them that the best pics are taken with a programmable camera that allows you to use both your hands (for measuring and positioning) or by someone else to take the pic for you while you're setting up."

Fantastic advice from a pro. Make it as difficult as possible for anyone to deny your gains.

Al, if you email me the link to the obscene forum (I think I can handle it), I promise not to show it to ANYONE. And if you are ever down for scheming a plan of attack to help the Penis Enlargement community break open further publicly with me, I would be glad to speak with you! You TOO DLD (although I am wondering if he is reading these; I hope so and, no matter what he has to say, or show us, he will write!).

Again, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AND EVERYBODY!

S

 

[stevie7inch]

For 2" growth before and after pictures go to Thunders and search for Bennet8.

Just did, three times, in the Advanced Search form. This message: "Invalid User specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the weBathmateaster" came up. Is bennet8 the correct spelling? I went to www.thundersplace.org

 

[stevie7inch]

All this back and forth, yet there is not a single honest, non-tampered, accurately measured picture to back up claims made by those who say they've gained 2"-4". Why are members so easily persuaded when there isn't any evidence for these claims?

I believe Penis Enlargement is a good thing and have been doing it many years. It has strengthen my cock, got it a little bigger and longer, but 2-4" is a far stretch. I am in agreement with Stevie. We are all appreciative of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words], but let's see some proof.

Word. Anyone else? Please, and these are pictures with accurate BPenis EnlargementL gains as stated as the "best" way to measure by Big Al and the best way to do so by DLD, does anyone know where we can find these pics? Before and After or just After? Even a pic that just shows what true BPenis EnlargementL measurement looks like? On a banana even!

Does ANYONE think it strange that these pics aren't around?

 

[stevie7inch]

And while I'm at it...

1. http://www.drjoelkaplan.com/index_beforeAfter.php

Do those look legitimate? Those are pictures from Dr. Joel Kaplan's [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Penis Pump[/words] site. He actually guarantees permanent erect growth in his FAQ's. Why would someone running a business, selling a product that he GUARANTEES build BPenis EnlargementL AND girth, would have these kinds of pics on his site to ENTICE people?

2. http://www.drwhitehead.com/bnapics.html

This is one of the top Plastic Surgeons that does Penis Enlargement surgery. This, while relatively gross, is a lot closer to what SHOULD be on any Penis Enlargement site whose product purports to make permanent gains. Take a look.

3. http://www.x4labs.com/info/content/do-penis-extenders-work-and-after-photos

Or this.

4. http://www.pegym.com/forums/advanced-devices/3203-bib-hanger-guy-2.html

Hey, Big Al, did this guy ever get back to you? Seems he was concerned about this "trivial" (sorry) issue?

Just curious: why does [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] not have a Before and After POTENTIAL USER ENTICEMENT Photo Page, maybe with DLD's measured pics (who is already in the eyes of the world, YouTube, BBC, etc. a 10 inch monster AND Penis Enlargement guru, so no embarrassment there, right?) and others who have been schooled in DLD's ways? What does everyone think? Maybe we should start one?

What do you all think? Let's help DLD reach more people. If this is all for real and DLD is for real, then why not?

Any other Before and After web pages from other Penis Enlargement sites, both ridiculous and convincing, anyone knows about: POST EM' HERE!

Stevie

 

[redpubes]

If someone doesn't believe this, let them. I know I will have the last laugh.

 

[goinfor11x7]

For 2" growth before and after pictures go to Thunders and search for Bennet8.

Could one of you guys make a link with Bennet8's pics at Thunder's? I would love to see them and I know Stevie (and many others) would appreciate it. I was banned from Thunder's several years ago.

I'll keep looking for the two or three "legitimate" before and after pics I remember seeing here. They are rare, but they DO exist.

 

[goinfor11x7]

If someone doesn't believe this, let them. I know I will have the last laugh.

You have a great outlook on this "proof" thing, redpubes. There will always be naysayers, especially if you make honest to goodness real progress; and if you are well endowed to start with, as I was, you really have to have a thick skin. I know. I have been there. And being too sensitive at the time, I found the whole thing beyond unpleasant.

This is what BigAl was talking about.

 

[goinfor11x7]

And while I'm at it...

1. http://www.drjoelkaplan.com/index_beforeAfter.php

Do those look legitimate? Those are pictures from Dr. Joel Kaplan's [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Penis Pump[/words] site. He actually guarantees permanent erect growth in his FAQ's. Why would someone running a business, selling a product that he GUARANTEES build BPenis EnlargementL AND girth, would have these kinds of pics on his site to ENTICE people?

2. http://www.drwhitehead.com/bnapics.html

This is one of the top Plastic Surgeons that does Penis Enlargement surgery. This, while relatively gross, is a lot closer to what SHOULD be on any Penis Enlargement site whose product purports to make permanent gains. Take a look.

3. http://www.x4labs.com/info/content/do-penis-extenders-work-and-after-photos

Or this.

4. http://www.pegym.com/forums/advanced-devices/3203-bib-hanger-guy-2.html

Hey, Big Al, did this guy ever get back to you? Seems he was concerned about this "trivial" (sorry) issue?

Just curious: why does [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] not have a Before and After POTENTIAL USER ENTICEMENT Photo Page, maybe with DLD's measured pics (who is already in the eyes of the world, YouTube, BBC, etc. a 10 inch monster AND Penis Enlargement guru, so no embarrassment there, right?) and others who have been schooled in DLD's ways? What does everyone think? Maybe we should start one?

What do you all think? Let's help DLD reach more people. If this is all for real and DLD is for real, then why not?

Any other Before and After web pages from other Penis Enlargement sites, both ridiculous and convincing, anyone knows about: POST EM' HERE!

Stevie

I like your suggestion, Stevie, about creating a Photo Page at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] for potential members. Your examples above of "enticement" photos make me laugh. The first one looks like all the pics were taken in one session. I'll bet they were. The third one is interesting in that the pic on the right looks bone pressed (the after pic), the one on the left non-bone pressed, (the before pic). Again, I'll bet they were taken at the same photo session.

 

[goinfor11x7]

I have two sets of measured pics on this forum. One set seems to best follow DLD's formula regarding measuring, except I normally use a tape. I agree with BigAl on the advantages of using a tape.

The other set was not as successful. I've been flamed many a time for them. But yet, I had pressed the tape tight against my pubic bone, which lies well above the point where I would measure for non-bone pressed. Man oh man, did I take heat for those two pics. But I was doing my best at the time--not easy.

 

[spinner2]

Sorry, two t's. "Bennett8".

 

[lili9zero]

Where can we find your two sets of pictures, 11x7? I am more interested in the set where you feel you measured correctly, not the controversial one where you pressed the tape against your belly while starting measuring at the 2" or 3" mark. Is it in the same thread?

 

[Big Al]

Hey Al,

1. Like I said in the last posting (you actually quoted me on it in the next response!): "This goes out NOT to Big Al, but for everyone else who is reading: I don't care WHAT forum you post pics on, if you are a Penis Enlargementer and you are doing it to HELP people, I support you, no matter HOW you take the pictures. I'm serious."

See, (and now more than ever I see how much IN AGREEMENT we are, which is awesome and now this wave of mutual understanding needs to be ridden by us so we can figure out a way to make this kind of measuring and pic taking a usual thing: I will be glad to do it first), here's what confuses me:

1. You say "I stated that there were a lot of credible before and after pics and that many of them should come close to your criteria. The fact that they don't fit all of your specific criteria shouldn't invalidate them or be met with such criticism. In my opinion, as long as the before and after pictures are measured consistently for each pic, it's a valid testimonial." YET then state "The arrogance is in your demand that everyone else do so and that it's the defacto standard just because it's the method that you've adopted. How about measuring from the side. Or NBPenis Enlargement (many, including some health professionals, consider that method to be the only way to measure). Or flaccid stretched. Some men even measure along the underside, although most of us consider that "cheating". I've even heard of guys measuring using water displacement, which would actually be the best method for showing total volumetric gains (if done correctly). They all have their place and each measures a different aspect of progress. If you're content if measuring in just one fashion, more power to you." AND THEN STATE RIGHT AFTER THIS: "Erect bone pressed measurement pics are the best because they show the best proof of real gains."

I'm seriously confused. No joking around and no getting pissy; REALLY confused. The Defacto Standard? MY Standard?

DLD and anyone who has a penis knows about how MUCH of your cock can go into someone knows it all stops at that public bone. Everyone in the Penis Enlargement community knows this for sure. You yourself just admitted it it's the "best" (meaning MOST ACCURATE, RIGHT, CORRECT, etc.).

So why would you bring up all these other known methods of measuring when, even IF those folks who took those pics were in earnest, knew that the ULTIMATE way of measuring is BPenis EnlargementL? I can go Frank Zappa on many different types of measurements. I can come up with so many that we could have a great laugh over it all, come up with ALL different types of numbers. And I could get others, unknowingly, to do the same, MANY others (just like people are conned by these full of shit adult entertainment stars who get "measured" like in Bang Bros where they look 11" but they're really BPenis EnlargementL 7" or 8"). But, no matter what I do and what numbers I give, I'm not doing the appropriate measurement. You obviously, and rightly so, agree to this.

What I agreed with you on is that measuring bone pressed is the best because it shows the most accurate gains. EBP can also be measured from many angles and with different tools.

NOW, I WILL say that it is very possible that people sometimes see others taking pics at less than accurate angles (I will leave out negative words like 'bogus', 'incorrect' and 'deceptive' because you've already, even after I explained how seriously caring my intentions were, accused me of "alienating what other people have done in this community by claiming their pics aren't good enough") and then assume that's the way to do it. Some people are just inept, many are earnest, etc. And yes, there are a select few who are wasting everyone's time.

You and I and everyone obviously needs to correct this. If we want to bring Penis Enlargement out of the underground, THIS is the first step. Young men watching adult entertainment will KNOW when these "huge" guys are measured incorrectly that they are obviously hiding something and that will help DRAMATICALLY their psyches. That's just one positive in what should be millions of them if everyone here took BPenis EnlargementL's. I am embarking on a huge mission, getting 2" legit BPenis EnlargementL inches out of me, and now I'm even more stoked to do it.

2. "We'll accomplish a lot more by working together than by getting upset over what's essentially a trivial topic."

:O

Show of honest hands: Who here thinks that THIS TOPIC, and I'm especially looking for feedback from serious Penis Enlargementers, is a "trivial" topic? Namely, finding a uniform way of doing precise measurements for yourself, the Penis Enlargement community and skeptics? Or why it is that there are so few accurate examples following what even Al has admitted is the "best" way to measure? LILI9ZERO doesn't think its trivial. I know for SURE DLD doesn't think its trivial, and he started this whole world of exercise and goal achieving and support.

Do YOU, Big Al, REALLY think this is all trivial?

To your reference as to what I stated was the "best" method, please read my response above.

I encourage creativity. It's interesting to see different ways of tracking progress. The water displacement idea is really ingenious and, if perfected and simplified, could be the best way of measuring total gains.

I give instructions for how to measure on my own sites. That doesn't mean that I'm going to discourage different ways of tracking progress, nor will I discount someones pics because they don't fit what I or anyone else thinks is best. If the pic is consistent and well done, let's accept it for what it is.

DLD is an innovative gentleman and has done a lot to help thousands of men, but he was definitely not the first person to develop the concept of Penis Enlargement exercises, goal achieving, and support. The online Penis Enlargement community was already well into existence when he came on to the scene.

3. "To show progress, they should be measured in all images at the same angle, from the same position, and using the same measuring device each time for maximum consistency. I've even seen some pics with coins or other common objects next to the ruler for references. That would further strengthen the evidence. Clarity and good lighting should also be sought after, but that can be affected by the quality of the equipment, the photographic environment, and the computer program the images are saved to. You should make the image reasonably large to get the entire penis in one shot and to avoid having the image degrade too much from the upload. I also advise measuring with a cloth tape measure as opposed to a ruler so that you get a more accurate reading by measuring along the curve. Using Vaseline or similarly viscous lube should help the tape stick. From dealing with numerous clients, I've learned from them that the best pics are taken with a programmable camera that allows you to use both your hands (for measuring and positioning) or by someone else to take the pic for you while you're setting up."

Fantastic advice from a pro. Make it as difficult as possible for anyone to deny your gains.

Al, if you email me the link to the obscene forum (I think I can handle it), I promise not to show it to ANYONE. And if you are ever down for scheming a plan of attack to help the Penis Enlargement community break open further publicly with me, I would be glad to speak with you! You TOO DLD (although I am wondering if he is reading these; I hope so and, no matter what he has to say, or show us, he will write!).

Again, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AND EVERYBODY!

S

I'm always interested in helping the Penis Enlargement community in positive endeavors. Feel free to PM me your ideas.

Happy New Year

 

[Big Al]

...4. http://www.pegym.com/forums/advanced-devices/3203-bib-hanger-guy-2.html

Hey, Big Al, did this guy ever get back to you? Seems he was concerned about this "trivial" (sorry) issue?

Got back to me concerning what?

 

[stevie7inch]

Got back to me concerning what?

Hey Brother Al,

Great post before regarding DLD, exercise history, and everything else. Since the water measurement system you speak of isn't news to everybody, could you please post a link to info on it? I am MOST interested in reading about it!

I have a comment or two regarding your post (oh, and the getting back to you comment was it seemed that the guy had this same issue as I and was going to START Penis Enlargement and post pics: did he ever get back to you?):

1. If "measuring bone pressed is the best because it shows the most accurate gains." THEN WHY BOTHER WITH "EBP can also be measured from many angles and with different tools." Truly confused.

I agree that everyone should be creative with EVERYTHING they do in life, but, and everyone out there PLEASE GIVE YOUR 2 CENTS ON THIS, if BPenis EnlargementL is the best way, then shouldn't this BE THE STANDARD that everyone takes seriously, that everyone abides by who is serious not only about making gains, but also killing off as much skepticism as is humanly possible by doing THE MOST ACCURATE MEASUREMENT POSSIBLE? If Penis Enlargement was considered legitimate publicly, then it would be another story regarding everyone measuring THEIR WAY ALWAYS, ways in which we have already established are NOT AS ACCURATE as BPenis EnlargementL AND, furthermore, BPenis EnlargementL has by far the least leeway available for skeptics to contend with (no measurement will ever be 100% skeptic proof, granted, unless before and after is done in person?). Why bother with any other measurement unless you are genuinely misguided (we have power to stop that here), have made no real progress but want to appear you have through trick measurements, or ALSO HAVE THE SKEPTIC-KILLER BPenis EnlargementL Measurements AS WELL and are just keeping things interesting? For example, lili9zero ONLY WANTS TO SEE the properly measured pics of goinfor11X7, who I feel in my heart is completely legit; why doesn't he want to see the others? It isn't that other type of measurements aren't, say, interesting to look at, but as far as measuring the longest a dick is in relation to its usefulness in the act of intercourse (what we are all most concerned of in the end) and its thickness, BPenis EnlargementL is, as Al has stated as well as others, the top of the top quality-wise of measurements. BTW, that LIFESTYLES CONDOM research measured this way.

What are your sites, Al? I totally want to check them out!

And as far as the extremely lucid goinfor11X7's comments are concerned, excellent responses.

I'm telling you all: We need to get that Before and After page up. Can we work on this collectively?

And does anyone have any idea why DLD isn't commenting on this thread?

Spinner! So EVERYONE has immediate access to Bennett's pics, please provide a link because I am still having issues finding his post despite the letter change!

Stevie

 

[Big Al]

Hey Brother Al,

Great post before regarding DLD, exercise history, and everything else. Since the water measurement system you speak of isn't news to everybody, could you please post a link to info on it? I am MOST interested in reading about it!

Here's a link that discusses it in detail:
http://www.cheekycherry.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19641

I have a comment or two regarding your post (oh, and the getting back to you comment was it seemed that the guy had this same issue as I and was going to START Penis Enlargement and post pics: did he ever get back to you?):

Not yet, but I'll keep an eye on that thread.

1. If "measuring bone pressed is the best because it shows the most accurate gains." THEN WHY BOTHER WITH "EBP can also be measured from many angles and with different tools." Truly confused.

I agree that everyone should be creative with EVERYTHING they do in life, but, and everyone out there PLEASE GIVE YOUR 2 CENTS ON THIS, if BPenis EnlargementL is the best way, then shouldn't this BE THE STANDARD that everyone takes seriously, that everyone abides by who is serious not only about making gains, but also killing off as much skepticism as is humanly possible by doing THE MOST ACCURATE MEASUREMENT POSSIBLE? If Penis Enlargement was considered legitimate publicly, then it would be another story regarding everyone measuring THEIR WAY ALWAYS, ways in which we have already established are NOT AS ACCURATE as BPenis EnlargementL AND, furthermore, BPenis EnlargementL has by far the least leeway available for skeptics to contend with (no measurement will ever be 100% skeptic proof, granted, unless before and after is done in person?). Why bother with any other measurement unless you are genuinely misguided (we have power to stop that here), have made no real progress but want to appear you have through trick measurements, or ALSO HAVE THE SKEPTIC-KILLER BPenis EnlargementL Measurements AS WELL and are just keeping things interesting? For example, lili9zero ONLY WANTS TO SEE the properly measured pics of goinfor11X7, who I feel in my heart is completely legit; why doesn't he want to see the others? It isn't that other type of measurements aren't, say, interesting to look at, but as far as measuring the longest a dick is in relation to its usefulness in the act of intercourse (what we are all most concerned of in the end) and its thickness, BPenis EnlargementL is, as Al has stated as well as others, the top of the top quality-wise of measurements. BTW, that LIFESTYLES CONDOM research measured this way.

I don't think everyone will agree that there's only "one" best way to measure a penis. Setting a standard for this site is a good idea- especially for the consistency aspect, but I think other forms of measuring have their place and should still be included. An example- it's very common for beginners to notice flaccid gains first. Flaccid stretched measuring usually confirms this.

What are your sites, Al? I totally want to check them out!

There's a couple of them in my signature. I also regularly participate in several other Penis Enlargement forums.

 

[stevie7inch]

I don't think everyone will agree that there's only "one" best way to measure a penis. Setting a standard for this site is a good idea- especially for the consistency aspect, but I think other forms of measuring have their place and should still be included. An example- it's very common for beginners to notice flaccid gains first. Flaccid stretched measuring usually confirms this.

Right, but, ultimately, doesn't everyone just care about erect gains? If I KNEW FOR SURE that ALL my gains would JUST be flaccid, I wouldn't bother, would you? And the "AT BEST only flaccid gains" argument against Penis Enlargement is a favorite of medicial profession skeptics.

 

[Big Al]

Right, but, ultimately, doesn't everyone just care about erect gains? If I KNEW FOR SURE that ALL my gains would JUST be flaccid, I wouldn't bother, would you? And the "AT BEST only flaccid gains" argument against Penis Enlargement is a favorite of medicial profession skeptics.

Not everyone cares for erect gains only. The individual reasons why men get into Penis Enlargement are almost as varied as the men themselves. Some guys are more concerned with getting a bigger flaccid hang to impress their locker room buddies (this reason is more popular than you might think). Others are looking to add a little size but are more interested in getting a "fitter" looking penis and more sexual [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words]. There are also older or injured gentlemen looking to recover their erectile abilities. That's why I always tell men to write everything concerning their Penis Enlargement endeavors down: how their erections are doing, their mood, even lovers' reactions to their new size. Penis Enlargement progress isn't only measured in inches.

Some of the biggest Penis Enlargement skeptics I've seen are on the LPSG site, and they bring up the "medical professional" opinion all the time as their defense. It got so bad at one point that I created this thread: Non-believers on a Penis Enlargement forum? It's a long read, but you'll find a lot of interesting and educational information and links concerning the science behind Penis Enlargement, as well as some data-filled retorts to the statements made against it.

It's a board I've only been participating on recently, but thankfully the attitude concerning Penis Enlargement is starting to change over there.

 

[goinfor11x7]

Where can we find your two sets of pictures, 11x7? I am more interested in the set where you feel you measured correctly, not the controversial one where you pressed the tape against your belly while starting measuring at the 2" or 3" mark. Is it in the same thread?

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No they are two separate threads. You are interested in "My First Measured Pics" on page 6 of the "Picture Proof" forum. I'll go fetch it and post it on page one. The other one (the controversial set, is near the bottom of page one).

The two best measured pics are on page one of "My First Measured Pics."

 

[DLD]

Right, but, ultimately, doesn't everyone just care about erect gains? If I KNEW FOR SURE that ALL my gains would JUST be flaccid, I wouldn't bother, would you? And the "AT BEST only flaccid gains" argument against Penis Enlargement is a favorite of medicial profession skeptics.

I think both are important at certain times.

 

[DLD]

RAMONE, Semi-Flaccid at 9"