hard vs. soft penises

digster said:
I see what you mean. I've been using the overhand "ok" grip (palm down) for 3 weeks now....hopefully I didn't do any damage. I will try your method tonight.
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Well, this idea was directed mainly towards yathagan, becouse he seems to have pinpointed his issues to the dorsal vein.

A lot of people wet jelq with an overhand grip and have no problems, so I don't think it's something to be afraid of, at least for the majority of men.

What do you guys here think about this? Should we really try to avoid increasing most outer veins size?
 
Thanks for the advice.

However, I have actually been deliberatly using overhand palm down grip. I find with regular palm up grip my thumb really presses down on the vein, so much so I see it move side to side from the pressure (this vein of mine is quite thick and very prevalent like I've mentioned).

Just going on a quick tangent I think its a vein...it is not purple coloured like my other veins it is just like a shallow rod jutting out from my shaft that is skin coloured...but yeh I am pretty sure this is just how the deep dorsal vein appears so it is probably it.

But yeh with the overhand grip there seems to be less pressure on it...and I also 'feel' better after the session, because when I use normal grip I think I stimulate the vein and it causes my flaccid to hang smaller after a P.E session...but if I use the other grip this doesn't happen.

Personally I don't the problem these guys are having is from vein growth. I think the vein, in most cases it seems the deep dorsal has been somehow damaged to it no longer clamps down properly to keep blood in the shaft. If more veins are created/original ones made more prevalent/better, and close themselves off like normal veins do during an erection, said erection theoretically should be stronger. However like I said I believe the vein(s) have been damaged.

I have a theory that in some men, the deep dorsal vein is not buried 'as deep' in the shaft in some men as compared to others. Therefore, it is more susceptible to damage from pressure. And if such a men was to follow a rigorous P.E program....well you can see the results.

It is really hard to say though. I am supposed to have been born with this, but I think it is possible my vein could have been 'raised' and not buried deep in the shaft, and was damaged during childhood. Who knows. Jan 30 I am having tests that will pinpoint exactly what is going on with me, and whether my problem is from damage or if its congenital. Either way I am going to tinker with P.E and also pumping, which I have read can also help create new veins etc, and hope to have such a great blood flow into my penis that it 'cancels out' the blood leaving it. This will be however a long process, and I will probabaly go for surgery after further extensive research.

To the guy who wasn't sure about cock rings - I have use one without problem, and I asked my urologist about it and he basically said he would have prescribed one for me anyway. As long as you don't wear it to long, and you don't get ones that are extremely firm like metal (Get a rubber one thats not too tight, and slightly expands as you get an erection but still has enough pressure to clamp down on the vein and stop it leaking) you SHOULD be sweet. But I'm not doctor, and I'm just 18 and really don't know shit. So see a urologist. EVERYONE with this should see a urologist.

Finally to end this very long boring post I think this should not be a deterrent to P.E, it seems there are various erection benefits from it if you are sensible with it. For fucks sake use common sense and don't over do it.
 
yataghan50 said:
Thanks for the advice.

However, I have actually been deliberatly using overhand palm down grip. I find with regular palm up grip my thumb really presses down on the vein, so much so I see it move side to side from the pressure (this vein of mine is quite thick and very prevalent like I've mentioned).

Just going on a quick tangent I think its a vein...it is not purple coloured like my other veins it is just like a shallow rod jutting out from my shaft that is skin coloured...but yeh I am pretty sure this is just how the deep dorsal vein appears so it is probably it.

But yeh with the overhand grip there seems to be less pressure on it...and I also 'feel' better after the session, because when I use normal grip I think I stimulate the vein and it causes my flaccid to hang smaller after a P.E session...but if I use the other grip this doesn't happen.

Personally I don't the problem these guys are having is from vein growth. I think the vein, in most cases it seems the deep dorsal has been somehow damaged to it no longer clamps down properly to keep blood in the shaft. If more veins are created/original ones made more prevalent/better, and close themselves off like normal veins do during an erection, said erection theoretically should be stronger. However like I said I believe the vein(s) have been damaged.

I have a theory that in some men, the deep dorsal vein is not buried 'as deep' in the shaft in some men as compared to others. Therefore, it is more susceptible to damage from pressure. And if such a men was to follow a rigorous P.E program....well you can see the results.

It is really hard to say though. I am supposed to have been born with this, but I think it is possible my vein could have been 'raised' and not buried deep in the shaft, and was damaged during childhood. Who knows. Jan 30 I am having tests that will pinpoint exactly what is going on with me, and whether my problem is from damage or if its congenital. Either way I am going to tinker with P.E and also pumping, which I have read can also help create new veins etc, and hope to have such a great blood flow into my penis that it 'cancels out' the blood leaving it. This will be however a long process, and I will probabaly go for surgery after further extensive research.

To the guy who wasn't sure about cock rings - I have use one without problem, and I asked my urologist about it and he basically said he would have prescribed one for me anyway. As long as you don't wear it to long, and you don't get ones that are extremely firm like metal (Get a rubber one thats not too tight, and slightly expands as you get an erection but still has enough pressure to clamp down on the vein and stop it leaking) you SHOULD be sweet. But I'm not doctor, and I'm just 18 and really don't know shit. So see a urologist. EVERYONE with this should see a urologist.

Finally to end this very long boring post I think this should not be a deterrent to P.E, it seems there are various erection benefits from it if you are sensible with it. For fucks sake use common sense and don't over do it.
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Good to see you found a way to avoid putting too much pressure on that vein. That was the idea and I hope you do fine.
 
Others may disagree, but I dont think urologists know SHIT in this area. Theres lots of stories floating around about how messed up peoples dicks got after surgery to correct impotence. Someone wrote this in another thread, but they treat prostate cancer.

In roads into impotence are lagging at best. Besides, WTF are you going to walk in and tell your urologist, 'i fucked my dick up by tugging, stretching, and pumping it. now its not hard.' Sure son, I see this all the time, have a seat.

Thats why I come to this forum. I think this only partially charted territory. Maybe a handful of doctors in the country know how to handle it. Maybe.
 
Don't know but I've got some kind of bulgy vein-area om top of my dick near the base. It's ON the surface, under the skin. Always had. I reckon this is (part of) the dorsal vein. I don't know this is/can be normal. Maybe it is somewhat more prominent since Penis Enlargement. But maybe that could just be due to more vascularity(?).

I don't know but if I'm doing Uli's or Horse440 squeezes it expands due to the pressure (well, your whole dick expands and also this veiny area). Now I only did this exercises to try out, I don't do them regularly yet. But what do you guys think, could/would the expansion of it (due to the blood you trap with pressure) lead to a permanent enlargement of that part of the vein and possible vein leakage or is it perfectly normal and shouldn't I have to worry.
 
I have the exact same thing. If it isn't leaking or anything at the moment I wouldn't worry but I would still get it checked out. I have always had mine too but I think since it was so 'raised', as you say it is, it has had so much pressure etc on it throughout my life I have somehow damaged it. Could be wrong, mine could have just always been fucked and yours fine.

But still get it checked out. I am not sure but I think it could be a thing called 'Mondors'...but again since we have always had this thing I am not so sure.
 
wow, what a thread. The title is hard vs soft penises. If you have a problem that others are having and yet no one can come up with the answer that you are looking for (directed right at you franchise boy) then do what the fuck you want to do.

Go be an asshole somewhere else.

For the serious guys with a real problem, IF you have done all of the traditional methods of rest, jelqing and/or kegels and yet still have a problem then what do you think you should do?

GO SEE A DICK DOCTOR! What are you waiting for? Go make the appointment.

Unbelievable
 
Well, I've no problem right now. All I was doing was asking if I could be in some kind of 'danger zone' in respect to doing uli's and squeezes later on.
 
Because Id say only a handful of urologists in the US really know what would be the problem and how to treat the issue. Most would just try and give you some cialis, and if it didnt work, theyd be like well at least you can get it almost erect to use for sex feel lucky.
 
When you see so many guys having a similar problem like this you have to think there's either a very simple or complicated solution to fix it.

One thing I've noticed is that the majority of guys who complain about this problem are all under 30 yrs old, not all, but most. One could question whether or not when being youthful/aggressive/enthusiastic in life and about Penis Enlargement if these guys are all not doing some common things wrong...just think about it for a minute.

When I was young I would never have dreamed of doing kegels because I didn't need to. My cock was so hard when erect that when I came inside a woman she could literally feel me cuming. They all told me that including my wife. Then yesterday I asked her if she could still feel me cuming and she said no. And that's even on viagra.

So my point to this part is possibly the younger guys may not actually be doing a very agressive kegel routine even if they say they are. Don't get pissed at me just look in the mirror and ask yourself if you are doing as much kegeling as jelqing or stretching.

To understand this a little deeper, have you ever JUST stretched and not jelqed? It effected your cock in its' flaccid state and erect state, didn't it?

Now I'm not saying that there are guys that truly have a legitimate problem with erections. But if these same guys were to go to two different types of doctors, one for urology and the other for an athletic physical, what would both of them tell you?

As noted earlier, the urologists are not all updated in our field at this point...kind of like bodybuilding in the 50's and the mdeical community. So he might just recommend viagra/cialis.

The other doctor may note some physical deficiencies such as an overall poor level of physical fitness. Hell, many of us sit down most of the day and don't dedicate an hour to cardio vascular training each day now do we? That being the general case, how much does this effect us? Combine that with a pretty crappy diet and we just don't have dick problems but cholestoral issues...and that's while being under 30.

And as far as overtraining goes, I just can't buy into this. I'm probably wrong but an hour a day/7 hours per week, I'm thinking your cock gets plenty of rest. But time off is fine because that's just more rest. Some guys need it, some guys want it.

My point to all of this is that we are human guinea pigs for now and you have to open your mind up to all possibilites and with that you have to be firing on all 8 cylinders in the first place and then you can begin to narrow down many possible problems. The Chinese treat the body to cure the problem. The Americans treat the symptoms but rarely the source of the problem.
 
This isn't to do with general health etc or confidence. I am one of the fittest fuckers around, don't smoke, don't drink much and eat well. I am a confident person despite this problem, so I really don't think its in my head. I am sure there are a lot of people in this thread, or reading it that simply talk themselves into having a problem. But there are those of us where it is purely physical.

Those who genuinely have this problem (Head does not retain blood, erections don't last as well) almost for sure have venous leakage. Readers can't take this to generally though. You will KNOW if you have a prob. When I release my finger from my deep dorsal vein, and I see my hard, blood filled head of 5.5 girth suddenly shrink into a small, 4 inch girthed soft stub THATS how I know something is wrong. There is no point talking about fixing it through kegels etc but there is point in talking about surgical procedures and other alternative treatments and general support for this issue.

Ofcourse see a doctor. But, for this issue, you might have to search for a well informed one which like has been said are hard to find. I have gone through 3 urologists who merely said 'if you can have sex with it, its fine', gave me some viagra and sent me on my way. It is only now I am satisfied with my guy, and we are 'officially' pinpointing exactly what my issue is - and working out exactly what to do about it.
 
yat,

my post was not directed at you or anyone I was just adding to the thread. If this thread is about guys that want to go to the doctor for vein leakage then it should be titled as such.

My post was about self-reflection.

If jelqing adds to the general health of the penis and girth, stretching adds to length and kegels help with erections then maybe that's why so many people get pissed when this subject comes up. Logically, the guy who wants to help is gonna talk about kegels, jelqing and over training, right?

I, too, have problems with getting hard and then the blood escapes so I still take viagra but in 25 mg doses as opposed to 100 mg doses as of May, 2005.

Doing a self-exam, I jelq for 30 min per day as of Nov 15th and have noticed a HUGE difference in erection levels without viagra. But kegels are a different story.

If I ask myself what I've done in the last 3 days, starting yesterday, for a kegel workout what would it look like? And here's the answer:

Yesterday...not one kegel

2 days ago...10 sets of 30 seconds holds, 10 sets of 1 min holds...with 15 sec rest in between each set...then a bunch of pumps

3 days ago...400 pumps


Objectively, that's not very consistent and I see it as part of the problem. So I think for my new kegel workout I will do it while driving to work and pump tot he beat of every song and squeeze during the commercials...a 5 song workout ought to be good enough to start for me.

Now the question for everyone reading this is if you were to reflect over the last 3 days, how would your kegel workout look? (Be objective with yourself and don't respond)
 
<<<"When I release my finger from my deep dorsal vein, and I see my hard, blood filled head of 5.5 girth suddenly shrink into a small, 4 inch girthed soft stub THATS how I know something is wrong.">>>

Hey no offense, ok , but seriously invest some time into gaining knowledge on everything about erectyle dysfunction and venous leak AND an uptodate understanding of the venous system of the penis -
THERE IS NO DEEP DORSAL VEIN ! There is no such single structure/vessel in any penis on this whole planet.

"hey lets cut the deep dorsal vein THIS wil cure the poor fellas ed for sure" is like 60 - 70 years old understanding of the penile anatomy..if it was THAT easy..you could heal everyones ED..unfortunatly there is no single vessel leading from A to B, in reality its complicated and interbranched, there are several anastomoses/bridges/bridge-veins/ between deep veins , circular veins , superficial veins.
Yes the technology (like you can see in the links I posted above) is there to visualize the venous flow/outflow of a penis through cavernosography and yes the artist formerly known as deep dorsal vein does appear to be larger than other veins, but thats about it its a larger than normal vein because it takes alot of the bloodflow pressure from childhood on, because it gives the most veniplex/venousoutflow to the glans/penis head and corpus spongiosum.
I stress the word "most" because if you ligate that wonnabe deep dorsal at the base, it will rebranch through bridges to other veins along its remaining length on the shaft...= no ED remedy...its also impossible to strip it out/cut it out completely, because its interconnected with so many veins that you would completely fuck up your penis from all the blood gushing from many little cut vein holes...so the last remaining thing to do is what a handful of people came up with 4-5years ago = injecting a sclerosing agent into this vein and attempting to shut it down full length , at the same time shutting down all the "connector points" along that vein , such as bridges to other veins, bridges into the corpus cavernosum and bridges into the head. This infact is the most advanced, minimum invasive way of doing it...but even THEN a new site of venous leak could show- i stress the show , because it doesn't really open , it was there before..its just because of the restructured bloodoutflow through "new ways" as in tiny little veins that had no pressure on the before but WERE conected to the venous leak, it SHOWS and manifests itself in a new enlarged vein somewhere else along your shaft a couple of month later...

so as you can see the best surgery would be one that finds and closes veins full length, especially veins around/along leakage sites as shown in cavernosography (wich just happens to be most often the deep dorsal) AND also potentual "soon to become venous leaks" veins , such as the cavernosal veins and circular veins....ALL of this has to happen, WITHOUT compromising the general bloodcirculation of the penis..or venous outflow to single parts (mostly the head) of the penis. incase this happens , you will end up with priapism, or dead tissue, or glans hyperaemia = glans priapism wich also results in tissue death...

in fact all of this is extremely logical and easy , once you understand how the penis works and what possibly makes it not work...

all of the above is adressed to 2 different types of venous leakes..there are like 6 of the , one is uncurable by all means...and besides there are also revascularisation surgery, artery reconnecting/relocating surgerys...

what I'm trying to say is : My talk is adressed to guys who know for sure that srugery is their last option...to know for sure you MUST exclude several things before hand, wich is easy to do , and YES a stupid old urologist is good enough for that : testosterone levels, prolactin ( 4 hormone levels play a role), also general health , diabetis , arteriosklerosis, high/low blood pressure ...all of that need to get checked by proffessionals...
psychological factor: well that also a stupid old story, where people used to believe, and doctors used to tell every young guy " it all in your head go to a psychotherapeut"...the modern understanding and knowledge is , that about 70% of all ED cases are due to organic reasons !


and know our stupid kapitalist society come into play...
there
is alot more profit (millions of times more profit) in investing money into the research of pills and drugs , such as viagra, levitra, cialis and many more to come !!!
Just think about it..doctors can continue to make money for as long as the poor guy with the ED LIVES ! Yes..and there are like 300 000 000 - 400 000 000 or even more men with different stages of ED....and yes this is a simple MARKET scenario...docotors profit , pharma industrys profit big time , stupid masses pay and loose and don't get a real cure...

OF COURSE nobody is interested in destroying this incredibly huge market by combining specialists from russia, austria, china and france (urology, angiology, radiology,plebology, surgery) and investing money into a definite permanet cure for ED by means of microsurgery....

jesus..instead we have millions and millions of men suffering, the big companys smiling and only a handful of isolated reasearches surgeons doing THE RIGHT THING !!!!


well damn , its a matter of time and the word will be out and people will be really helped..but when eh ??? 5 years 10 years 50 years ??? fuck all that..I'm 23, I want to live now goddamn it..without pills and pe and worries...
 
Tbirdy, I´ve checked some of that stuff you say. You are definately the penis bloodflow authority around here. Thanks a lot for the input.
 
Thanks for the input Tbirdy. But you say there is no deep dorsal vein, then later in your post you admit it does exist and is merely a bigger vein then most. This is true, and with me this bigger vein really sticks out of my penis. While I am sure there are various intricate connections or whatever to said vein, you cannot say it does not exist. And even if, like you said it is technially not a single structure and connected to other veins, from what I have read it seems you can isolate it. And I am pretty sure that if this vein was to be somehow isolated and resected my problem would be solved as I can literally feel the blood flowing back through this vein. I think I consider it as one vein I can see it so clearly on my shaft like a chord, and it is this chord that is causing my problem.

I hope your recovery from surgery is going well, and that it can be later mended. What exactly was the type of surgery you underwent, was it just a ligation of veins? I did browse through your post and it seems numerous veins were 'treated'.

What do you think of the relatively new treatment of vein embolization?
 
"Thanks for the input Tbirdy. But you say there is no deep dorsal vein, then later in your post you admit it does exist and is merely a bigger vein then most."

Nah dude, you got me wrong, my english is very shitty nowadays , so I have a hard time making myself clear.
I'll give the answer to you in some other guys words, so you will understand what I was trying to say, besides, vein embolization IS the right way to go, thats what I described in my posts here , injecting a sclerosing agent = embolization of the vein. Basically , you induce an artificial thrombosis of the vein wich in the end destroys the vein completely, it becomes a tiny thin guitarrlike scarr string and then it is absorbed completely by the body...

now back to our first misunderstanding :

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We have found the circumflex vein, which drained the blood
from the distal parts of cavernous bodies, and ran into deep
dorsal vein behind its valve. Description of this vein in the accessible
literature we have not met. The ignorance by the surgeon
of this fact can have an effect on results of surgical treatment of
the erectile dysfunction of the venous genesis at the ligation or
resection of the deep dorsal vein.
As it was mentioned above, we affirm, that the deep vein
of the penis misses: venous outflow from a most part of organ
is carried out by the deep dorsal vein, and the proximal parts of
cavernous bodies are drained at the expense of veins of the crura
of the penis. But Hodos AB (1963) described the deep vein as
the unpaired vessel, which passes from the head up to the root
on the dorsal surface of the spongiform body in the urethral
sulcus. On a transit the vein forms sine dilatings, from which
circumflex veins originate. Series of other authors [16,17] guess,
that the blood from the central part of cavernous bodies flows
off in the deep vein through short postcavernous veins collecting
blood from cavernous spaces and from venules, posed inside of
cavernous tissue. The direct outflow of the blood was postulated
on the basis of “locked valves” in deep veins in mammals, having
osteal basis in the penis and found in experiment. But in cavernous
bodies of the penis of the man there is no such structure.
Exponential is that documentary any author does not confirm
presence of the deep vein of the penis. Therefore should be
logical, radiating from function of the penis, that the reinforced
inflow is important first of all, at the expense of which penis
acquires an erection, and the retarded outflow from cavernous
bodies. For this reason, deep dorsal vein is accompanied with
two dorsal arteries, but not opposite.
The venous channel of the penis cannot be surveyed as
separately taken veins, as it represents a uniform extensive
complex of anastomoses. For example, assertion that the spongiform
veins realize outflow from the same (spongiform) bodies
is a little bit untrue, as due to their anastomosis with circumflex
veins, they can be main structures in the drainage of the blood
from cavernous bodies. The similar situation is with superficial
dorsal veins, which are in most cases connected by means of
intervenous anastomosis with deep dorsal vein.>


ok , do you see now what I meant, the significant difference of the understanding/knowledge on the penis vascularisation between 1960 - 2000 and 2001 - 2005 ???
Infact it was 2004 where a russian doc put everything together correctly !

~peace out....
 
Thanks man, even though I didn't understand parts I think I get the gist now. Hmm, if it was only completely put together in 2004, I wonder how many practising urologists even know of this? There are still probabaly surgeons in certain countries pratising without this knowledge which is kind of scary.

One more question mate, do you think you will end up going through with this embolisation? And, if the vein is completely 'absorbed' and effectively killed, since the dorsal vein is so big wouldn't this dramatically effect the amount of blood getting into the penis, not making things much better at all? Or is that basically the whole point, since the dorsal vein is not a primary singular structure that such a procedure will not have a dramatic effect.
 
Ive had some success w/ the edging tech. that some have mentioned here. It wasnt what it was before I started, but I did see imporvement. While I was having sex last week I managed to stay moderately hard through about 5 min of intercourse + foreplay time.

Funny thing is, when I relaxed a bit on the edging these past few days, I start going soft again. This post is really more for lurkers, and what Im saying is at this point I see it as a constant excericse/workout battle to combat this without resorting to surgery.

Thanks for the help w/ that. Oh yeah....

And to OCD, glad you finally opened your mouth on your last post and something intelligent came out! (the part about your jelquing/keagling) Who would've thunk it:O
 
Ive had some success w/ the edging tech. that some have mentioned here. It wasnt what it was before I started, but I did see imporvement. While I was having sex last week I managed to stay moderately hard through about 5 min of intercourse + foreplay time.

Funny thing is, when I relaxed a bit on the edging these past few days, I start going soft again. This post is really more for lurkers, and what Im saying is at this point I see it as a constant excericse/workout battle to combat this without resorting to surgery.

Thanks for the help w/ that. Oh yeah....

And to OCD, glad you finally opened your mouth on your last post and something intelligent and helpful came out! (the part about your jelquing/keagling) Who would've thunk it:O
 
What causes these problems the most, Lengh or Girth exercises? Or is it Penis Enlargement in total? I really don't want to have any problems in the future.
 
I would like to refer you to another member who's 45 years old, and seems to have one answer to this question. How often have we heard, "Do Your Kegals?" Well, here's one more:

DLD/Mods,
I hope I am posting this in the right forum.

Due to years of bad habits and stress ("too much wine, too much song, wonder how I got along....."), I have had some challenges maintaining an erection the past few months(I am 45 years young!). I could get it up, but it would not stay that way very long. In six weeks I reversed that, and can now stay hard as long as I need to (over two hours last Friday night!!!!!!!!!!) Here's what I did, and am still doing:

Kegals - DLD's PC routine. This is critical!!!!! It is the foundation. Dick Vermeil one time said, "You can't launch a cannon from a conoe." He was talking about a running back having to have powerful legs to run through the defense. The same is true in regards to the PC muscle and a healthy penis. I do the routine three times per day. When I started, I could not hold my kegal for the one minute at the end. Now I can hold it at least three minutes!!!!! I kegal like a mad man and it is paying off. I also pay attention to plyometric exercises in regards to my Penis Enlargement routine.

Jelqing - I am not using this as a girth exercise, as I do other things for that. I jelq at least 600 times per day at 70%-90% erect. I also am careful not to jelq too hard. I grip tight enough to encourage good blood flow and a slight expansion of the penis. Remember, I do this for [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]penis health[/words] and circulation.

Exercise - Studies indicate that those that do some type of leg work have better circulation in the genital area. I walk at least two miles every day I can. Every other day I do weight work (squats, etc.).

Supplements - You can find tons of recommendations in this forum. However, I have been taking 1 multi vitamin with minerals for prostrate health, 500 mg niacin, 1000 mg l-arginine in the AM. In the PM, I take the multi vitamin and 2000 mg l-arginine.

Mental Adjustment - Get the negative thoughts out and quit worrying as to whether you will or won't!!!!!! I believe I am going to get it up, keep it up, and rock my wife's world every single time!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROP - This is/was the catalyst!!!!! After 4 weeks of the above things, my erections were much firmer, and I could maintain a 90% + erection for much longer than before. Three weeks ago I built a ROP. Within a week, my erections were rock hard and I was staying that way!!!!!!!!! My wife is loving it so much she has literally attacked me 8 nights in a row, and during the day Sat & Sun this past weekend!!!!!!!!!! Friday night we banged for over two hours and I was never under 95% erect!!!!!!!! Not bad for an old fart, huh?????

I am not saying this is the magic program for everyone. There are tons of Penis Enlargement gurus on this forum who can offer more info than me. However, it worked for me and I recommend at least giving it a try if you are faced with this challenge.

Good luck, and happy twat poking!!!!!!
 
I would also like to add this:

I think some fellas work too hard, maybe to cut corners, actually. Instead of taking the time required, they instead use too much force. Some guys jelk, and other guys nearly rip their dicks off and call that jelking. Blood dribbles out the end of their cock and they get puffy and red for weeks on end. Hmm. Do we really think that's what we're talking about here?

I'd really like to see some others' comments about this, as well.
 
Nice post Formysweetie!

People can have a one dollar bill in their hand and can convince themselves it's a hundred dollar bill. But reality soon sets it when they go to the cash register and try to purchase some condoms for three dollars.

Perhaps livelong ('ol double post) can give us the moral of the story...rofl
 
Sweetie as much as I appriciate the effort to help. NONE of that will fix our problems. They are much more complex than that. I can hold a kegal for 5 min at least, but that doesnt make my erections any better, becuase of the leakage.
 
thefranchise said:
Sweetie as much as I appriciate the effort to help. NONE of that will fix our problems. They are much more complex than that. I can hold a kegal for 5 min at least, but that doesnt make my erections any better, becuase of the leakage.
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I would've let this post slide on by but since you addressed me as "sweetie" then fuck it...boy, you're 20? You ain't gonna like the aging process very much, especially around 38, 39, 40ish.

A 5 minute kegal ain't jack shit. I held one in the last 2 weeks for 15 minutes. No big deal once you practice.

Want the real kegal work out...sweet cheeks? Since you'll be too lazy to look up samzman's kegal workout I'll post it for you. Kegal pumps for one hour straight, rest for 30 minutes then kegal pumps for another hour. This is the ironman kegal fitness routine in my opinion. Nothing compares. Five days of genuine effort will bring results. Try it. Or be a real man and go get the pussy surgery and fuck your dick up for the rest of your life, I guarantee you'll regret that decision for a very, very long time.

You're 20 and you can't get a hard on? Time to look in the mirror and ask yourself (self-examination for you paint sniffers) what you can be doing differently imo...but I'm the stupid one here, right?
 
Bro i was actually referring to Formysweetie who has about 2-3 posts behind you........ I dunno if you were just waiting for something to jump on or what. I can get a hard on just fine... I get them all the time, It's just no blood fills my CS or Glands. Kegals arnt going to help it that much, because its more than likely a venous leak. Health wise and mental wise etc im fine. I dunno what the long lookin the mirror stuff is about but whatever.
 
the best way to stretch your penis, especially for girth is from withing. To achieve this is simple, get erections, get them often and frequesntly. How, generic viagra or better yet cialis. many long lasting throbbing rections will add girth and length in my experience... what's yours?
 
thefranchise said:
Sweetie as much as I appriciate the effort to help. NONE of that will fix our problems. They are much more complex than that. I can hold a kegal for 5 min at least, but that doesnt make my erections any better, becuase of the leakage.
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The Franchise-- I don't know how the first post got under MY name! I didn't copy it or write it, to my knowledge. So, don't know about that.

All I was saying is, the abuse of your penis isn't going to help it grow. It's just going to be a bother to you while it's healing up. When it's all puffy, you won't get a good jelk, and when blood comes dribbling out of the urethra, are you going to ignore it and pretend that it isn't happening?

DLD would agree with this, wholeheartedly. He'd call anybody who ruined his dick a real nut.

Some guys have been writing about these things, and thought I'd just stick it in (pardon the pun).
 
I saw a urologist the other day and had a duplex doppler, or duplex ultrasound or something like that.

Anyway. The result was that blood flow into my penis was fine, even quite good. I don't know how many have had this test/understand it, but the blood flow is like measured in a number. Anything flowing in at over '25' is considered normal. I was flowing in at 71 in one chamber, and 64 in the other. This test was to knock out any chance of arterial insufficiency...which has been done.

I now am off to see another guy to get a cavernography (prob VERY bad spelling) or something like that...which will definitively show if there is any leakage and exactly where from.

I spoke to a surgeon about the surgery if I am viable. He said he has performed 25 of the procedures, and he removes the offending vein(s). I asked him about success rate and he said nearly all of them were successful, but I do feel he was not telling me something and omitting some information just by looking at his face...Hydromaxmm.

I also asked him about embolization. He said the follow up was not good. I then showed him the data I had gathered that showed positive follow ups for a year later...and he then said he also did not like it because if the agent that blocks off the vein leaks like down the leg...you can lose toes and even a whole leg because those veins become fucked and clogged or whatever. He said this risk would depend on the surgeon who operates.
 
Thanks for the update man. Just curious where you are located, I might need to take a trip to that doc someday haha. If you want you can PM me with it if that would be ok. Thank you so much for keeping up with this. Good luck
 
This is an EXTREMELY important issue to me and I will definitely post all of my progress for the benefit of others. I am on the Australian East Coast.

About doctors, seeing them is very frustrating atleast where I live. I have seen a GP, who referred me to a shocking urologist who told me if I can have sex (however bad) I just have to deal with it. Dickhead. I then saw another GP who referred me to another urologist who was much more helpful, agreeing that I could have a venous leak. He said the tissue of my penis etc seemed fine...but we should do some tests to confirm what was going on. He then referred me to a guy who performed this most recent test on me, which primarily tested the blood flowing into the penis which was fine. He has now referred me to yet another guy, who will be the final guy. He has written to him, basically that I have a hard time maintaining an erection, and keeping my head engorged. Finally I am getting somewhere. I am having a test to once and for all see if I have venous leak and where. This is the final step before deciding treatment (If, ofcourse it if found what is wrong) and I will report on how it goes.

Although I am sure I only know 0.1% of what is going on, I really think I want to embolize the leaking veins if I do have leakage rather then get cut up and stitched back together with surgery. I mean, it's my dick..I want the least invasive, least scarring method. I am basically willing to take out a 5 grand loan to buy some cheap student tickets and travel internationally to the urologist who has the most experience and best record with embolization to get it done if its a suitable treatment, which at this stage I think will be. But I will have to wait another 2 - 3 weeks to find out.
 
I had a 'cavernography' last week. It is when they inject dye into the penis to see if it leaks. Maybe I am just a girl, but it was pretty damn painful and I really struggled, started to hyperventilate and shit. Afterwards your dick is like as big as a beer can and very bruised, right now my penis is not swolen but still black from bruises.

And after all that shit...no leak was sighted. I should be happy, but I am fucking distraught. All that pain for nothing, I just hope my dick fully recovers. Now I'm back to step 1.

I showed my doctor this link

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2181770&dopt=Abstract

And he was pretty interested in it, he said the test I had might not have shown this particular problem if it is only the pensi glans that I have issues with. So now he is chasing up information on a 'spongiography' or whatever it is that is mentioned in the above abstract. This is pretty much my last chance of being cured.
 
dirtylove17 said:
Yea, I heard. His dick fell off. :lol:
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Haha, you smug motherfucker. I wouldn't wish this shit upon anyone.

I am seeing a vascular surgeon soon. I am so sure it is this vein that protrudes out from the skin that is just takin blood from my head, if I can presuade him to embolise it, I will be better. I mean all I gotta go is lightly press it and my head remains full, it seems so simple! I feel confident that within a month I will be back here cured...
 
Yatag,

Im glad to see you still posting on this...I havent been back in a while. Im also glad you wrote in your posts that you're going to keep posting here. I think this shit is more important to lurkers than we realize. Fuck, its important to me too.

Im really interested in the embolization technique too, but im cautious about undergoing surgery on that area. As such, Ive been trying out a lot of alternative techniques. This probably sound wacky, but feedback/physiological insight is appreciated:

I noticed that before I started doing the girth my shaft was more like a compact bone, but now has a soft outer layer covering the inside part thats hard. I focused on pushing blood OUT of penis (escpecially the head) while I have erections. I went so far as to wrap up the head so it would not balloon. I would edge, and at the edge I would push downward on my penis and flex the PC muscle to try and build that up.
This might sound out there, but believe it or not for about 3-4 weeks my dick was harder than it had been in over a year. I could almost maintain eretions on my feet. I would be hard the whole night into the morning while sleeping. I could keep erections without touching it for 3-5 minutes or longer. But then for whatever reason the problem went back to being just as bad as it ever has been. I have no idea why.

Currently Im trying to use a 'home remedy' to decrease my vein size. I see one that BULGES out right along the top shaft. Ive tried splints/wraps, but emblozation may be the only way to get it. It would be a great resource to hear from anyone whose gotten it done.
 
okay, i've read alot of this post, i have no problem with erection, i'm just curious,

do you guys think there can be any damage to viens from flacid stretching, cause sometimes the grip right under the glans is pretty hard.
 
I wouldnt worry about damaging the veins from flacid stretching, but def make sure you dont fuck up the nerve bundle thats right below your glands.
 
While I believe that some guys can have a venous leak, I really doubt that it's likely to be caused by Penis Enlargement. Perhaps in some, the leak was present but not causing any noticable problems until they had new growth from Penis Enlargement, with more tissue to fill with blood the veins are not up to the increased pressure?

wesb
 
by thefranchise:
I wouldnt worry about damaging the veins from flacid stretching, but def make sure you dont fuck up the nerve bundle thats right below your glands.
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Which use has this nerve bundle?
 
If anyone is still interested in this topic, I have had some great success.

The big fat vein that I had said was leaking blood from the start was embolized with a tiny coil that was put in with a needle. The vein is now blocked off, and everything is MUCH better. The head still loses a bit of blood when I am in the prone position, but nothing like before. And, when I am standing, on my side or on my stomach the glans remain full, shiny and hard. I'm so happy.
 
yataghan50 said:
If anyone is still interested in this topic, I have had some great success.

The big fat vein that I had said was leaking blood from the start was embolized with a tiny coil that was put in with a needle. The vein is now blocked off, and everything is MUCH better. The head still loses a bit of blood when I am in the prone position, but nothing like before. And, when I am standing, on my side or on my stomach the glans remain full, shiny and hard. I'm so happy.
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Good to hear
 
Can anyone give me the 411 on what edging is or is it in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]mos[/words]'s video section?
 
player89 said:
Can anyone give me the 411 on what edging is or is it in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]mos[/words]'s video section?
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Edging is bringing yourself almost to the point of orgasm and then stopping it. Many believe this helps with girth and premature ejaculation.
 
doublelongdaddy said:
Edging is bringing yourself almost to the point of orgasm and then stopping it. Many believe this helps with girth and premature ejaculation.
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What is your experience with edging? Do you believe it helps or did it do nothing for your gains and pe goals?
 
player89 said:
What is your experience with edging? Do you believe it helps or did it do nothing for your gains and pe goals?
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None really, I mean I guess I edge while I do my girth work, especially the cross-legged [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] because I am going for so long with an erection but other than that I have little experience.
 
yataghan50 said:
If anyone is still interested in this topic, I have had some great success.

The big fat vein that I had said was leaking blood from the start was embolized with a tiny coil that was put in with a needle. The vein is now blocked off, and everything is MUCH better. The head still loses a bit of blood when I am in the prone position, but nothing like before. And, when I am standing, on my side or on my stomach the glans remain full, shiny and hard. I'm so happy.
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Any update on this? I've heard that ligation surgeries are largely unsuccessful in the long term due to venous rechanneling and regeneration. I have a leaking vein as well (95% sure) so I'm interested in your results.
 
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