Andractim is my last hope...
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Day 5 of phase 2:
Scheduled day off from DHT. Did a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session for 15 minutes this evening - this time in the bath vs. shower. Effects appear similar, though I definitely feel more comfortable sitting in a tub for 15 minutes vs. running a shower (hate wasting water). Flaccid is hanging quite normally right now.
I think I may switch over to baths. I have heard that Epsom Salt is a great way to detoxify the body, which would be a nice perk. Does anyone think that their might be any negative effects on Penis Enlargement?
Scheduled day off from DHT. Did a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session for 15 minutes this evening - this time in the bath vs. shower. Effects appear similar, though I definitely feel more comfortable sitting in a tub for 15 minutes vs. running a shower (hate wasting water). Flaccid is hanging quite normally right now.
I think I may switch over to baths. I have heard that Epsom Salt is a great way to detoxify the body, which would be a nice perk. Does anyone think that their might be any negative effects on Penis Enlargement?
I think it's the suction that is creating too much pressure on my pelvic wall. I have a very low exit point in my pelvis and I think it just causes me some internal muscular strain that I don't get with other techniques. I wish I could solve it because using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] was starting to make progress. This is the same reason I quit using my air pump. No matter where I move it to I still get that feeling on the left side only.
DH, I take epsom salt baths from time to time, I don't see how it could effect Penis Enlargement at all, maybe even help in a very roundabout fashion (detoxing, etc.). I think another member used something in his bath when he used the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], can't exactly remember though. On a side note, I've been trying to find out what the best dose for Andractim will be, there seems to be some conflicting info. on it. Most of the scientific studies have been done for transgender men trying to grow their clit into a penis, but the tissues are made up of the same thing (which is why such things are possible) so the dosage should still be applicable. How did you derive the dose you are using? What dose are you using? One study said to apply 20mg three times per day, another said to apply 1 to 2.5 grams of 10% DHT gel per day (which would equal 100 to 250mgs). That's a pretty significant difference. Using andractim, if you are appying 2.5 grams twice per day, you are getting 62.5mg of DHT per dose, or 125mgs per day. To get the 250mgs that's the high end of one study, you would have to double the number of 2.5 gram applications of Andractim. Maybe doubling up would be beneficial. What are your thoughts on this?
Dford
Dford
dickfordays;378857 said:
Researching scientific info on DHT for Penis Enlargement is difficult to find. I mostly based my 2.5 g x 2 off of user experience and feedback. I may end up increasing daily dosage depending on my reaction. I wish I had more definitive information for you... the best advice that I have is pay attention to your reactions. For instance, when I realized that using it daily was not providing any positive affect, I took a decon break and then started phase 2: 1 day on/1day off.
After Phase 2, I will take another decon break and experiment with 5 grams x 2 for phase 3.
Day 6:
Wow... something crazy happened last night. I wish I could say definitively what caused this, but there are so many factors at play and the possible synergy between them. Possible factors are highlighted in bold.
Did two [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workouts yesterday, each one prior to my DHT application. First session was short - 10 minutes. Second session was a full 15 minutes - without breaks (usually take a break every 5 minutes). After my second [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session, I did my usual 20 minute jelq/clamping routine. I also added in some erect bends against my left curve.
Again, I had not been sleeping well for the past 3 days. Anticipating another restless night, I went to my local whole foods and picked up some sleep tea. I noticed on the package that it contains 675 mg of passion flower - I have read may have beneficial affects on Penis Enlargement.
I was exhausted by the end of the night... but my girlfriend was horny as hell and insisted that we fool around. I had a very decent erection, probably around 4.75" mid-shaft girth (I usually measure between 4 1/2-5/8"). After we finished, I downed the tea and passed out.
Here is the amazing part: About 3 hours later, I woke up to find myself ferociously sucking on my girlfriend's breast. This happens from time to time... through some sort of subconscious desire, I end up "sneak attacking" my girlfriend in the middle of the night - mostly while I am asleep. However, this time was different. I was frickin' horny as all hell and was sporting the biggest erection of my life! I wish I could have measured it, but I had work to do! She was still passed out, but soon woke up enough to let me vent my sexual aggression. It was crazy!
I figure I probably was sport something around 4 7/8" - 5" mid shaft girth. This morning my cock is a tiny bit sore, only to the touch.
Again, its hard to say whether the DHT, 2 [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] sessions (one being non-stop 15 minutes), erect bends, passion flower, or a combination of the aforementioned contributed to my killer chubby (relatively speaking). Something is happening and I hope it keeps up.
Today is Day 7 of phase 2 and have scheduled day off of Andractim. I will do a 15 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session (non-stop) while taking a bath. I noticed that if I keep the pressure moderate - pumping out 85-90% of the allowable water displacement - I significantly reduce fluid build-up. Respectively, I will now pump until I hit the half-way mark between 150-160 mm until my penis gets a little more conditioned.
Lastly, ordered some detox salts called "Masada Mineral Herb Detox" which has green tea in it. As always, Ill keep you guys posted on the new developments.
Wow... something crazy happened last night. I wish I could say definitively what caused this, but there are so many factors at play and the possible synergy between them. Possible factors are highlighted in bold.
Did two [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workouts yesterday, each one prior to my DHT application. First session was short - 10 minutes. Second session was a full 15 minutes - without breaks (usually take a break every 5 minutes). After my second [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session, I did my usual 20 minute jelq/clamping routine. I also added in some erect bends against my left curve.
Again, I had not been sleeping well for the past 3 days. Anticipating another restless night, I went to my local whole foods and picked up some sleep tea. I noticed on the package that it contains 675 mg of passion flower - I have read may have beneficial affects on Penis Enlargement.
I was exhausted by the end of the night... but my girlfriend was horny as hell and insisted that we fool around. I had a very decent erection, probably around 4.75" mid-shaft girth (I usually measure between 4 1/2-5/8"). After we finished, I downed the tea and passed out.
Here is the amazing part: About 3 hours later, I woke up to find myself ferociously sucking on my girlfriend's breast. This happens from time to time... through some sort of subconscious desire, I end up "sneak attacking" my girlfriend in the middle of the night - mostly while I am asleep. However, this time was different. I was frickin' horny as all hell and was sporting the biggest erection of my life! I wish I could have measured it, but I had work to do! She was still passed out, but soon woke up enough to let me vent my sexual aggression. It was crazy!
I figure I probably was sport something around 4 7/8" - 5" mid shaft girth. This morning my cock is a tiny bit sore, only to the touch.
Again, its hard to say whether the DHT, 2 [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] sessions (one being non-stop 15 minutes), erect bends, passion flower, or a combination of the aforementioned contributed to my killer chubby (relatively speaking). Something is happening and I hope it keeps up.
Today is Day 7 of phase 2 and have scheduled day off of Andractim. I will do a 15 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session (non-stop) while taking a bath. I noticed that if I keep the pressure moderate - pumping out 85-90% of the allowable water displacement - I significantly reduce fluid build-up. Respectively, I will now pump until I hit the half-way mark between 150-160 mm until my penis gets a little more conditioned.
Lastly, ordered some detox salts called "Masada Mineral Herb Detox" which has green tea in it. As always, Ill keep you guys posted on the new developments.
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Thanks, DLD! I appreciate your enthusiasm and support. I remain optimistic. Hopefully these PIs will progress to gains.
Hey DH, that's great, keep up that combo and let us know how it goes! I'm prone to the sneak attack too, except I usaully try a "forced entry in the back door" then when I wake up I hear about it and I had no idea I did it. I haven't had that in a while, but when I did, I had a ton of extra testosterone in me so I think there is a hormonal correlation, maybe that's the DHT taking effect. I'll let you know if this starts happening again when I get my DHT.
Dford
Dford
I'm sure I was reading biased information but the side effects sounded like they were potentially pretty bad.
dickfordays;378993 said:
LOL Rear entry!? Wow... if I ever tried that, my girl would kill me!
Signs of progress:
My flaccid hang is almost always 1/8" to 1/4" thicker, 1/8" longer, warm to the touch, and general feels fuller. My erections feel a little fuller as well, but I haven't measured yet. Nocturnal erections feel more like 7-8 on a scale of 10.
Day 8 of Phase 2.
Just did a 10 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session followed by 2 minutes of jelqing and my first 2.5 grams of DHT. Later this evening, I will do a 15 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session followed up by 20 minutes of jelqing/clamping/erect bending and 2.5 grams of DHT.
That's great! I'm glad you are seeing some consistent PI's. I know an issue with topicals is the pores becoming closed and resistant pretty quickly, I think the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] will really help keep them open and receptive for the DHT. That combined with the effects of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] itself should bring some good results. The only problem you'll have is determining where all your new gains are coming from!
Dford
Dford
dickfordays;379076 said:
Interesting theory about the pores, Dford. I haven't noticed any difference in absorption between pre-Bathmate and post [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] DHT application, but who knows... Considering my trials and tribulations, determining whether it is the DHT or the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] that is contributing to my gains is not really a problem at all.
But seriously, I will try to discern if there are any differences during my next deconditioning break from Andractim - which may be in about another 1-3 weeks.
Day 9 of Phase 2:
Scheduled day off of Andractim. Penis has been a little sore for the last couple days, so I took it easy on my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session. I did 15 minutes at about 145 mm, which is about 10 mm less than my usual pump session.
Scheduled day off of Andractim. Penis has been a little sore for the last couple days, so I took it easy on my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session. I did 15 minutes at about 145 mm, which is about 10 mm less than my usual pump session.
Day 10 of Phase 2:
Scheduled Andractim day, however, I ran out of latex gloves and due to my hectic schedule, I was unable to acquire some more. Accordingly, I decided not to apply at all today.
Managed to squeeze in a 15 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session, 20 minute jelq/erect bend/clamp session, followed up with sex with my girl.
During my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session, I noticed that my penis felt a little more sore at the same intensity and duration than usual. When I finished, I also noticed slightly more fluid build up as well. During sex, I also felt a little desensitized... I take all of these as indicators that I need to take 1-2 days of absolute rest - no Penis Enlargement, no sex. I also took the liberty to measure immediate post pump girth, my states are: 5 1/8" base, 4 7/8-5" mid-shaft (depending on location). Still fairly consistent with previous pump measurement. Hopefully it will improve within a week or two.
Scheduled Andractim day, however, I ran out of latex gloves and due to my hectic schedule, I was unable to acquire some more. Accordingly, I decided not to apply at all today.
Managed to squeeze in a 15 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session, 20 minute jelq/erect bend/clamp session, followed up with sex with my girl.
During my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session, I noticed that my penis felt a little more sore at the same intensity and duration than usual. When I finished, I also noticed slightly more fluid build up as well. During sex, I also felt a little desensitized... I take all of these as indicators that I need to take 1-2 days of absolute rest - no Penis Enlargement, no sex. I also took the liberty to measure immediate post pump girth, my states are: 5 1/8" base, 4 7/8-5" mid-shaft (depending on location). Still fairly consistent with previous pump measurement. Hopefully it will improve within a week or two.
I got my order finally, I'm applying 2.5g onto the penis, 4 times per day. I plan on taking a day off every three or four days to let the pores become receptive again (I read somewhere that they become un-receptive after a period of time and that it takes a day or so to become receptive again). I must say, I'm very attuned to my hormone activity and I can tell already that something is going on! I'll keep everyone posted.
Dford
Dford
I'm doing the 2.5 2x's daily, but switch up points of application. 1 day it's 1.25 on my chest and the rest on my penis. 1 day I'll do both 2.5g on my chest, or under arms. Been on it almost 2 weeks, not sure about gains, but it has subsided my puffy nipples and has made me more energetic. I feel normal and pumped after my long runs, whereas before I was beat and really fatigued. We'll see after 8 weeks.
Hellface;379454 said:
For Penis Enlargement, stick to applying it to the penis. Applying it to your chest may reduce gynecomastia (bitch tits - no offense), hence the reduction in puffy nipples.
dickfordays;379468 said:
Wow! 10 grams per day? I'll give that a try after my next decon break!
Dford, as it is, have you been gaining with your current routine?
Keep posting your progress here! I would love to compare notes!
DH, from what I've read and studied, I think the higher dose may be more beneficial. At this rate however, I'm going to run out of it pretty quickly, hopefully I'll be able to tell definitively by then if it's working or not. We'll definitely have to compare notes as we progress. I've been gaining fairly well from my current routine, but it seems to have slowed down lately, I'm hoping this will kick start some new growth and I have a feeling it will. I added in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] about a month or so ago, I think that combo has some promise. As of now, I do intense manuals with a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Length Master[/words] like device, wear an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] as much as possible, and use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] once or sometimes twice a day (and now 10g of andractim). That's the extent of my current routine, all together it takes a couple hours per day to complete. I consider myself a hard gainer (most easy gainers, in my opinion, have low EQ's and the Penis Enlargement corrects that quickly giving the false impression of quick gains), but I think everyone can gain if they find the right protocol for themselves. I think time and tension has to lead to gains eventually, but the amount that each individual needs can vary, and I plan pushing forward until my goals are reached.
Dford
.Dford
dickfordays;379506 said:DH, from what I've read and studied, I think the higher dose may be more beneficial. At this rate however, I'm going to run out of it pretty quickly, hopefully I'll be able to tell definitively by then if it's working or not. We'll definitely have to compare notes as we progress. I've been gaining fairly well from my current routine, but it seems to have slowed down lately, I'm hoping this will kick start some new growth and I have a feeling it will. I added in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] about a month or so ago, I think that combo has some promise. As of now, I do intense manuals with a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Length Master[/words] like device, wear an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] as much as possible, and use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] once or sometimes twice a day (and now 10g of andractim). That's the extent of my current routine, all together it takes a couple hours per day to complete. I consider myself a hard gainer (most easy gainers, in my opinion, have low EQ's and the Penis Enlargement corrects that quickly giving the false impression of quick gains), but I think everyone can gain if they find the right protocol for themselves. I think time and tension has to lead to gains eventually, but the amount that each individual needs can vary, and I plan pushing forward until my goals are reached
Dford
Sounds good, Dford! I'm rootin' for you! I'm a hard gainer too. I hope and pray that my PIs continue and produce actual gains.
Day 12 of Phase 2:
Some interesting things have happened since my last workout: I have been very horny most of the day for the last couple days, however, without my daily [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] use, I noticed that my flaccid was back to normal size yesterday. Though I did not measure, erect girth felt a little beefier, perhaps 1/8" more than the usual? Not sure though...
Did two [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] sessions today. 1st was for about 12 minutes + jelq/edging for about 10 minutes then applied 2.5 grams DHT. Second workout with [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] lasted 15 minutes followed by 22 minutes of jelqing/clamping/erect bending, the 2.5 grams DHT.
Workouts felt good today, so the day of rest paid off. As a means of mixing up my workout a little bit, I will lower my intensity on [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] only days and reduce pressure to the 145 mm mark. Hopefully, this may enable me to hit it a little harder on DHT + [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] days.
Some interesting things have happened since my last workout: I have been very horny most of the day for the last couple days, however, without my daily [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] use, I noticed that my flaccid was back to normal size yesterday. Though I did not measure, erect girth felt a little beefier, perhaps 1/8" more than the usual? Not sure though...
Did two [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] sessions today. 1st was for about 12 minutes + jelq/edging for about 10 minutes then applied 2.5 grams DHT. Second workout with [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] lasted 15 minutes followed by 22 minutes of jelqing/clamping/erect bending, the 2.5 grams DHT.
Workouts felt good today, so the day of rest paid off. As a means of mixing up my workout a little bit, I will lower my intensity on [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] only days and reduce pressure to the 145 mm mark. Hopefully, this may enable me to hit it a little harder on DHT + [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] days.
Hey DLD, got 2 questions for ya:
1. When you pump with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], do you pump till maximum water displacement?
2. When you pump, is it comfortable or do you experience a slight pressure sensation (not quite pain, but a significant stretching sensation)?
Reason why I ask is because I have a propensity to damage my foreskin; trying not to make it worse. Not sure yet, but [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] may be causing an old scar to grow....
1. When you pump with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], do you pump till maximum water displacement?
2. When you pump, is it comfortable or do you experience a slight pressure sensation (not quite pain, but a significant stretching sensation)?
Reason why I ask is because I have a propensity to damage my foreskin; trying not to make it worse. Not sure yet, but [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] may be causing an old scar to grow....
Douglas Hamlin;379604 said:
When I am pumping with water yes, but even when dry yes.
2. When you pump, is it comfortable or do you experience a slight pressure sensation (not quite pain, but a significant stretching sensation)? [/QUOTE]
Pressure and comfortable. Kind of like a really good suck job
DH, this DHT is great! Way too early to see any gains, but I can definitely feel it doing something. It's strange, it's sort of like I'm juicin' but different somehow, more penis specific. I seem to stay fuller most of the day, I'm hornier than normal, better erections (and I have had top notch EQ pre-DHT), and I get spontaneous full on wood during the day. I know the DHT is getting in and taking effect, I just hope one of the effects is growth. I haven't been able to keep up the 4/day applications the last couple days, I've been working literally all day and into the night, but this will be short lived. I only got in three doses yesterday, and I'm about to put on number two for the day today. However I think the higher dose is the way to go for me, I'm looking forward to seeing how you respond when you up your dose after your decon.
Dford
Dford
dickfordays;379753 said:
Sweet! I'll start my decon break now - which will consist of no Andractim for 1-2 weeks. Then, I'll start applying 5 grams x2 per day.
Sorry for the delay in response... lazy weekend...
Day 13 of Phase 2:
Did a 20 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout at 140-145 mm. Felt a little more comfortable then the higher intensity, shorter duration workouts. Followed up with 4 minutes jelqing.
Day 14 of Phase 2:
Did 2 [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workouts: 1 for 11 minutes at 150-155 mm and the other for 15 minutes at 150-155 mm. 1st was followed up with 5 minutes of jelqing then 2.5 gram DHT. 2nd was followed up with 20 minute jelq/clamp/erect bend combo then 2.5 grams DHT.
Day 1 of Decon 2:
This is the official end of Phase 2 as I am now on my 2nd DHT decon break. Did a 20 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout at 135-140 mm. With day after day of [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workouts, I fear I may be overtraining a bit. I am worried that my skin might be getting too much of a workout relative to my penile tissues (I know I know, fuck the life of a hard gainer, huh?)
Day 2 of Decon 2 (today):
Today I am taking another day off from all activity just to be safe. Moving forward, during this decon break, I plan on pumping daily, however, significantly reducing the intensity of "off" days. Specifically, I will train high intensity every other day (ideally with only 1 - 150-160 mm - 15-20 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session) + 20-25 minute jelq/clamp/erect bend combo. The days in between, I will do a short, low intensity [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session at 125-130 mm for 10 minutes followed by 2-4 minute jelq (just for circulation restoration).
Signs of Overtraining:
Looking back on the beginning, I was able to pump at 160-165 mm fairly comfortably. As it is now, 150 mm feels a little intense and anything above feels uncomfortable. Typically, my flaccid hang seems slightly above normal and is warm to the touch. My nocturnal erections are hard to measure as I rarely wake up with strong wood (mostly I wake up with sub-chub which is like a 5 on a scale of 10 for erections). Erections during sex are fine and are scoring an 8-9 on a scale of 10.
Considering the aforementioned PIs combined, I a believe I am on the cusp of overtraining. If anyone has feedback about [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workouts or has an interpretation of my PIs, your comments are most welcomed!
Day 13 of Phase 2:
Did a 20 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout at 140-145 mm. Felt a little more comfortable then the higher intensity, shorter duration workouts. Followed up with 4 minutes jelqing.
Day 14 of Phase 2:
Did 2 [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workouts: 1 for 11 minutes at 150-155 mm and the other for 15 minutes at 150-155 mm. 1st was followed up with 5 minutes of jelqing then 2.5 gram DHT. 2nd was followed up with 20 minute jelq/clamp/erect bend combo then 2.5 grams DHT.
Day 1 of Decon 2:
This is the official end of Phase 2 as I am now on my 2nd DHT decon break. Did a 20 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout at 135-140 mm. With day after day of [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workouts, I fear I may be overtraining a bit. I am worried that my skin might be getting too much of a workout relative to my penile tissues (I know I know, fuck the life of a hard gainer, huh?)
Day 2 of Decon 2 (today):
Today I am taking another day off from all activity just to be safe. Moving forward, during this decon break, I plan on pumping daily, however, significantly reducing the intensity of "off" days. Specifically, I will train high intensity every other day (ideally with only 1 - 150-160 mm - 15-20 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session) + 20-25 minute jelq/clamp/erect bend combo. The days in between, I will do a short, low intensity [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session at 125-130 mm for 10 minutes followed by 2-4 minute jelq (just for circulation restoration).
Signs of Overtraining:
Looking back on the beginning, I was able to pump at 160-165 mm fairly comfortably. As it is now, 150 mm feels a little intense and anything above feels uncomfortable. Typically, my flaccid hang seems slightly above normal and is warm to the touch. My nocturnal erections are hard to measure as I rarely wake up with strong wood (mostly I wake up with sub-chub which is like a 5 on a scale of 10 for erections). Erections during sex are fine and are scoring an 8-9 on a scale of 10.
Considering the aforementioned PIs combined, I a believe I am on the cusp of overtraining. If anyone has feedback about [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workouts or has an interpretation of my PIs, your comments are most welcomed!
Ok... today I am really starting to notice that my skin is taking a beating... I am noticing more stretch marks and my foreskin is getting more discolored. Does anyone have any topical ointments to recommend? MSM/DMSO? I hate the thought of causing permanent damage to my skin AND still not solidifying any gains yet...
I've had good success with emu oil, it has all kinds of great skin benefits, just google it. It's a bit expensive, but I use so little of it even when I put a nice coat over my whole unit, that it lasts a long time.
Dford
Dford
Already have it... works ok for penis, great for skin in general. Unfortunately, it is supposedly a DHT inhibitor...
I started getting some discoloration to the point my wife noticed. I bought some "fade" cream at Walgreens for a $5. The active ingrediant was hydroquinolone 2%(SP?). It worked after a couple of weeks of continuous use. It also had some other skin conditioning stuff (vit E, aloe, etc). It worked really good esp after an intense workout. My skin seemed to be healthier with less of a damaged feeling, too.
(Yesterday) Day 3 of Decon 2:
Did a 10 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout at 125-130 mm - which felt very comfortable. I followed this up with a 10 minute edging session (no orgasm). Throughout the day and still as I write this I have been experiencing a nice flaccid hang, approximately 4 1/4-1/2" girth x 4 7/8- 5 1/4" length (1/8-3/8" more girth x 0-3/8" more length). Still no killer morning wood, but erections feel noticeably thicker during sex.
(Today) Day 4 of Decon 2:
Today I plan on doing 1, higher intensity [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout for 10 minutes. Depending on sensation, I will pump between 155-165 mm.
Based on my PIs from yesterday's low intensity workout, I must say that it bears some benefits. Today's workout will determine whether alternating high/low intensity days is optimal for my growth, or just low intensity. I was planning on doing a longer set today with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], but I feel it would be best to control the overall intensity by only adjusting the pressure and not the duration.
On a side note, I picked up some 10% MSM cream and have been applying it frequently. May be too early to tell, but it looks and feels like its helping. I'll keep you guys posted.
Did a 10 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout at 125-130 mm - which felt very comfortable. I followed this up with a 10 minute edging session (no orgasm). Throughout the day and still as I write this I have been experiencing a nice flaccid hang, approximately 4 1/4-1/2" girth x 4 7/8- 5 1/4" length (1/8-3/8" more girth x 0-3/8" more length). Still no killer morning wood, but erections feel noticeably thicker during sex.
(Today) Day 4 of Decon 2:
Today I plan on doing 1, higher intensity [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout for 10 minutes. Depending on sensation, I will pump between 155-165 mm.
Based on my PIs from yesterday's low intensity workout, I must say that it bears some benefits. Today's workout will determine whether alternating high/low intensity days is optimal for my growth, or just low intensity. I was planning on doing a longer set today with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], but I feel it would be best to control the overall intensity by only adjusting the pressure and not the duration.
On a side note, I picked up some 10% MSM cream and have been applying it frequently. May be too early to tell, but it looks and feels like its helping. I'll keep you guys posted.
doublelongdaddy;380133 said:
Good to know, DLD.
Day 4 of Decon 2:
As expected, I did my 10 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout at 160 mm - which felt a little uncomfortable towards the last minute; very little fluid build up at urethra. Due to my congested schedule, I only had enough time to do a 6 minute jelq routine after wards. My penis has been hanging nicely throughout the day (~ 4 3/8" x 5") which is a good sign that 10 minutes at 160 mm is ample for now.
Applied MSM lotion 3 times throughout the day - still to early to tell if it can help with the stretch marks, but my skin feels great so far.
Tomorrow I plan on doing a 10 minute 120-130 mm [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout followed by a short 5 minute jelq for my low intensity day.
As expected, I did my 10 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout at 160 mm - which felt a little uncomfortable towards the last minute; very little fluid build up at urethra. Due to my congested schedule, I only had enough time to do a 6 minute jelq routine after wards. My penis has been hanging nicely throughout the day (~ 4 3/8" x 5") which is a good sign that 10 minutes at 160 mm is ample for now.
Applied MSM lotion 3 times throughout the day - still to early to tell if it can help with the stretch marks, but my skin feels great so far.
Tomorrow I plan on doing a 10 minute 120-130 mm [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout followed by a short 5 minute jelq for my low intensity day.
Hey Dford! Got any updates on your DHT experiment?
Hey DH, I've still been inconsistent with my 4 per day applications because of my schedule, but it's slowing down a bit now so I'll be able to stick to it and my routine better. I'm glad because I'm half way through my first tube of Andractim, I need to get on it! How long of a decon are you taking? I may need a day or so off the DHT because although I haven't been able to get in all my doses every day, I've put it on at least twice per day every day since I started. I haven't seen any growth yet, but my Penis Enlargement has been minimal for the last couple weeks. It still feels like it's doing something, regardless of my inconsistency. If I can get a good steady span DHT and Penis Enlargement, I'm expecting to see some new growth, I just hope it'll be enough to say definitively if the DHT helped or not. Keep me posted on your progress and keep pullin!
Dford
Dford
Agreed, DLD.
Dford: applying Andractim 4 times daily certainly sounds like it would take a lot of time - figuring that it should air dry for at least 15 minutes. Why not try doing 2 x 5 gram applications instead? That's what I plan on doing when I get back on the routine.
My Decon break will last at least a week, possibly 2 weeks. Part of this decon break is to experiment with how my current [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] + manual routine is working by itself. I figure 2 weeks should be ample time to discern workout specific PIs and compare that to DHT enhanced PIs.
Day 5 of Decon 2:
Did a 10 minute bathamte session at 130 mm - felt very comfortable with absolutely no fluid retention. Did an 8 minute jelq + edge combo. Applied MSM cream 3 times throughout the day - skin looks good.
Dford: applying Andractim 4 times daily certainly sounds like it would take a lot of time - figuring that it should air dry for at least 15 minutes. Why not try doing 2 x 5 gram applications instead? That's what I plan on doing when I get back on the routine.
My Decon break will last at least a week, possibly 2 weeks. Part of this decon break is to experiment with how my current [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] + manual routine is working by itself. I figure 2 weeks should be ample time to discern workout specific PIs and compare that to DHT enhanced PIs.
Day 5 of Decon 2:
Did a 10 minute bathamte session at 130 mm - felt very comfortable with absolutely no fluid retention. Did an 8 minute jelq + edge combo. Applied MSM cream 3 times throughout the day - skin looks good.
DH, I wanted to spread it out because I figure that only so much DHT can be absorbed at once. I have no idea how much that might be, however. At the rate things have been going, I may need to do it that way since I know I can get in at least two applications. I'm going to keep doing more research to see if I can find any solid answers, it's easier said than done.
Dford
.Dford
Check this out....
Transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy and its effects on patients with microphallus.
All patients demonstrated growth of the penis during treatment. The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks… In conclusion, transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy is an effective and relatively safe modality in the treatment of microphallus.
It seems that most of the absorbtion must take place within an hour of application since it's recommended to wash after an hour.
Dford
Transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy and its effects on patients with microphallus.
All patients demonstrated growth of the penis during treatment. The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks… In conclusion, transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy is an effective and relatively safe modality in the treatment of microphallus.
It seems that most of the absorbtion must take place within an hour of application since it's recommended to wash after an hour.
Dford
Good find, Dford. This is the most frequently quoted article on the web, which reveals the potential of DHT. However, patients suffering from Microphallus may actually have heighten DHT receptors that have never received DHT associated from puberty. Theoretically, if DHT receptors are down-regulated, then all of the DHT in the world wont make a difference; unless of course systematically applying DHT can stimulate up-regulation.
The critical aspect to this experiment is to discern - through trial and error - if my penis still has active DHT receptors. If inactive, the 2nd experiment will be to try to stimulate their expression. So far, phase 1 and 2 of my experiment may indicate inactive/down-regulated DHT receptors. Perhaps a higher dosage may change things...
The critical aspect to this experiment is to discern - through trial and error - if my penis still has active DHT receptors. If inactive, the 2nd experiment will be to try to stimulate their expression. So far, phase 1 and 2 of my experiment may indicate inactive/down-regulated DHT receptors. Perhaps a higher dosage may change things...
I hear you DH, I've read that abstract a dozen times in different words, I just hope that I have some active receptors that will respond. There are also a couple that deal with transgender men and some that deal with older men suffering from andropause. All of these do not directly involve younger, "normal" men, I guess that experiment is up to us. I hope I can "awaken" some receptors and see some growth, I think this would be far more effective on pubescent men, however. The point that I was trying to highlight was that it is recommended to wash thoroughly an hour after application, which could mean a couple things: a majority of the absorption has taken place after an hour, and that there is still active DHT on the skin after an hour. It seems that if there is still DHT present, not all of it has been absorbed but if it's recommended to wash anyway; I guess that means that you have absorbed all that you are going to absorb from that application and it is good to wash off to avoid cross-contamination. My thoughts on this are that if there is still some active DHT after a period of time, would it not be beneficial to leave it on so that it'll be there when your body is able to absorb some more? Or have you reached your saturation point and there is no need to leave it on? Or are your levels already high enough above baseline that is doesn't matter? These are some of the things that are unclear to me, I wish there was some more science to find about this, but the abstracts are pretty vague and leave a lot of these issues unanswered. The more times I read these, the more I'm starting to think that as long as you apply some a couple times/day, you are going to have higher than normal levels and you will either respond via growth depending on your body's receptors status or you will not. I have a tendancy to over analyze things.
Dford
. I hope I can "awaken" some receptors and see some growth, I think this would be far more effective on pubescent men, however. The point that I was trying to highlight was that it is recommended to wash thoroughly an hour after application, which could mean a couple things: a majority of the absorption has taken place after an hour, and that there is still active DHT on the skin after an hour. It seems that if there is still DHT present, not all of it has been absorbed but if it's recommended to wash anyway; I guess that means that you have absorbed all that you are going to absorb from that application and it is good to wash off to avoid cross-contamination. My thoughts on this are that if there is still some active DHT after a period of time, would it not be beneficial to leave it on so that it'll be there when your body is able to absorb some more? Or have you reached your saturation point and there is no need to leave it on? Or are your levels already high enough above baseline that is doesn't matter? These are some of the things that are unclear to me, I wish there was some more science to find about this, but the abstracts are pretty vague and leave a lot of these issues unanswered. The more times I read these, the more I'm starting to think that as long as you apply some a couple times/day, you are going to have higher than normal levels and you will either respond via growth depending on your body's receptors status or you will not. I have a tendancy to over analyze things.Dford
dickfordays;380455 said:I hear you DH, I've read that abstract a dozen times in different words, I just hope that I have some active receptors that will respond. There are also a couple that deal with transgender men and some that deal with older men suffering from andropause. All of these do not directly involve younger, "normal" men, I guess that experiment is up to us
Dford
Over-analysis is part of the scientific mind. As far as these experiments go, I would say its an asset.
Been doing some research on DHT receptor up-regulation. There seems to be an stimulatory effect from supplementing with Vitamin D3. Don't have time tonight to go into details, but I thought I would mention it and see if you wanted to do some digging. If Vitamin D3 is beneficial, perhaps a topical application in conjunction with DHT may help maximize chemical reactions.
Check this out: http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/140/3/1205
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Day 6 of Decon 2:
Did a 10 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout at 160mm for 10 minutes. A little bit more fluid retention than my last high intensity workout, but is mostly likely due to the fact that I kept the pressure a wee bit higher than last time for possibly a bit longer too. Followed up with a 15 minute jelq, clamp, erect bend combo.
Gotta run! Gonna go see Iron Man 2 with my girl!
Did a 10 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] workout at 160mm for 10 minutes. A little bit more fluid retention than my last high intensity workout, but is mostly likely due to the fact that I kept the pressure a wee bit higher than last time for possibly a bit longer too. Followed up with a 15 minute jelq, clamp, erect bend combo.
Gotta run! Gonna go see Iron Man 2 with my girl!