Andractim is my last hope...

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Douglas Hamlin

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Hey Everyone,

After doing some research online and checking the usual forums, I decided to give Adractim (DHT cream) a shot. This will probably be my last shot at Penis Enlargement - I've been very consistent for 2 years + without much improvement. Actually, the only significant signs of change are new stretch marks and some damaged foreskin from intense Penis Enlargement sessions.

I've tried it all: jelqing, stretching, [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] devices, static pumping, dynamic pumping, clamping, clamped jelqing, edging, and a bunch of combinations of the aforementioned. All in all, I think I may have gained a total of 1/8" in both length and girth... Needless to say, I think I am a hard gainer. Anytime I try a new program, it seems to produce PI's for 1-4 weeks, but then it stops. I have never made progress from one routine to the next; it's always a restart button for me.

With all of the research that I have done on the various forums, Penis Enlargement is certainly possible. And from a biochemical perspective, perhaps my tribulations are attributed to a hormonal problem? There is only one way to find out...

So, today I purchased 2 tubes of Andractim from All Saints Clinic. Hopefully my order will arrive soon and I can begin the experiment.

Considering that there are a lot of gaps in user feedback regarding topical DHT experiments, I will post in this thread daily. I plan on cycling andractim (2-4 weeks on, 1-2 weeks off - depending on reactions). In addition to the treatment, I plan to do a 1 on/1 off workout that includes:

(Warm-up)
5 minute warm-up
3 minute jelq
2 minute clamp

(Workout - repeat 4 times)
10 minute pump at 3" with heat (non-erect)
3 minute jelq
2 minute clamp

Finish with 5 minute edging


The workout above is the most recent con-"cock"-tion that I have created. I just finished a 3 week period and am currently recovering until the andractim arrives. Once it does, I'll post starting stats.

If anyone has tips for this experiment, please feel free to chime in. I could use all the help I can get. :)


-Douglas Hamlin
 
What is the purpose of Andractim? Looking it up but it states it is for male menopause.
 
Andractim contains DHT which is testosterone precursor. It is like a steroid, providing extra testosterone. When a boy is maturing, the DHT receptors in the penis are active. As one matures the receptors grow inactive. There is a line of thought that stretching/hanging with andractim rubbed into the penis, will provide extra growth. It needs to be cycled to keep the testicles from shrinking and not producing testosterone. I may begin a cycle soon. If so, I'll let you know if I have any success. Andractim without some form of Penis Enlargement is not effective for adults.
 
hsarge;375930 said:
Andractim contains DHT which is testosterone precursor. It is like a steroid, providing extra testosterone. When a boy is maturing, the DHT receptors in the penis are active. As one matures the receptors grow inactive. There is a line of thought that stretching/hanging with andractim rubbed into the penis, will provide extra growth. It needs to be cycled to keep the testicles from shrinking and not producing testosterone. I may begin a cycle soon. If so, I'll let you know if I have any success. Andractim without some form of Penis Enlargement is not effective for adults.
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How much does a cycle cost
 
I'm interested in hearing more people's experience with this, has anyone else had any success with it? There seems to be more guys who have tried it on other boards, I'm only a member here, but if you google it you'll see it in other places too.

Dford
 
If you go to allsaintsclinic.org you can fill out an order form and they will ship it to you. I have already put in my order (think it comes out to be almost $200) which should be arriving within 5 days.

DLD: The cost per cycle will depend on how much you are using per day and how many days/week you are applying it. For first time orders, you must order 2 tubes (16 ounces each = 32 ounces total). There are 28 grams in 1 ounce, so 32 ounces will provide 896 grams. Penis Enlargement users typically apply 2.5-5.0 grams per day. Accordingly, 896 grams should last 179-358 days. From what I have read, cycles are usually 2-4 weeks on, 1-2 weeks off. Everyone is different, tragically. I will closely pay attention to my reactions on a day to day basis and cease activity once PIs slow down - which I would imagine is a sign of down-regulation (penis cells are decreasing DHT/Androgen receptors).
 
newbie09;376383 said:
Try my NewbieX2 routine for length and DLDs girth blasters for girth.
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Can you post a link to those exercises? I wont perform them within the experiment, but if all else fails, I'll give them a try.
 
I've used this stuff and still have some left. I liked it. I did the beginners routine and used a silicone [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] system while at work. I gained .75 inches on bpfl and .25 inches bpel. I was not the most consistent with my routine either and my [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] broke at work. Use the product for 4-6 weeks then take 2-4 weeks off. Its potent stuff. Rub it in after a jelq session. It seems to take better. Also, use it twice a day. This stuff will absorb quickly. I put it on before bed too and was impressed with my gains. Hope this helps
 
Douglas Hamlin;376388 said:
Can you post a link to those exercises? I wont perform them within the experiment, but if all else fails, I'll give them a try.
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All of my stuff is in my signature, the dld and mandingo stuff is somehwere in the main Penis Enlargement forum.
 
Thanks for the feedback Wanting8!

Just received my 2 tubes of Andractim today! Took about 5-6 business days to arrive and cost me about $183 (including tax and shipping). I already took headshots of my hair line (just to be safe) and will measure tonight prior to starting.

A friend of mine is visiting from out of town for a week, which may interfere with my routine. As I have mentioned, I will post daily to keep everyone updated. :)
 
Ok... Here are my starting stats:

Flaccid mid-shaft girth: 4 3/16-1/4"
BPFL: 4 7/8"

Erect Base Girth: 4 3/4-3/16"
Erect Mid shaft Girth: 4 9/16-5/8"
BPenis EnlargementL: 6 5/8-3/4"

Additional notes: I cure slightly to the left (about 10-15 degrees) and the right side of my shaft is slightly thicker than the left. On a day to day basis, on a scale of 1-10 (1 = non-existent, 10 = skin popping boner) my morning wood is about 6-7. I have a healthy sexual appetite with my girlfriend, but I am currently sporadically horny. I am 27 years old, 5'11, 170 lbs, 6.5-7.0% Body Fat, have a full head of hair and no acne. We'll see how all of this changes...

Also, I have decided to slightly change my workout, which is listed below (changes are in bold):

(Warm-up)
5 minute warm-up
3 minute jelq
2 minute clamp

(Workout - repeat 2 times)
10 minute pump at 3" with heat (non-erect)
3 minute jelq
2 minute clamp

Finish with 20-30 minute edging.

Tonight is my first application. Being that it is 10:40 pm ish PST, I will not Penis Enlargement tonight, but rather let 2.5 grams soak in and then use a heat blanket for 20-30 minutes....

Ok, just applied recommended 2.5 grams of Andractim to my penis using latex gloves. Upon application, there is a warm sensation, then slightly tingly... once it air dries I'll put on the heat wrap.

See you guys in the morning! :)
 
As it turned out, I couldn't wait to get started last night. After I finished my hot wrap, I banged out an edging session for about 25 minutes. Quick questions for those that know... is it completely horrible to organism after edging? :)

Couldn't sleep last night, which is most likely due to a new diet that I am on (been experiencing some insomnia for about a 9 days now). No sleep = no morning wood. I woke up twice to eat something and eat time I noticed that my penis was much warmer than it usually is, and my flaccid is hanging about 1/8" bigger in both length and girth. This warmth and 1/8" pump persists as I write this.

Prepping for my workout now and will post results once complete.
 
Sleep is very important for all mental and physical tasks so be sure to get this insomnia under control. There are many solutions you can talk with a pharmacy or doctor about. I take Ambien which works great but stuff like Melatonin works great too and it is an over the counter medication.
 
I hear ya DLD, and if it persists, I'll get on some melatonin or Valerian Hops.

After all this talk about DHT production/inhibition, I've got myself freaked out about Penis Enlargement lubes. A lot of natural oils may in fact inhibit DHT (via AR-5 reductase enzyme) such as: olive oil, avocado oil, emu oil, almond oil, etc.

I was thinking that coconut oil would be good but may inhibit DHT. Anyone have luck with it?
 
from what I read about andractim is it will only cause hair loss if used in huge amounts per day, singe 2.5g or 5g per day for a couple weeks is fine
 
I applied 2.5 grams prior to my workout today. Workout went well, but I'm still having a little trouble control ejaculation during edging (I came the littlest bit toward the very end of my session). I had a decent pump today post workout, but nothing too extreme.

Just applied another 2.5 grams before going to bed. I noticed that if you don't massage it in, it flakes off. Flakes = waste.

Right now my flaccid is quite normal. Hopefully I'll be able to sleep tonight.
 
Douglas Hamlin;376764 said:
I applied 2.5 grams prior to my workout today. Workout went well, but I'm still having a little trouble control ejaculation during edging (I came the littlest bit toward the very end of my session). I had a decent pump today post workout, but nothing too extreme.

Just applied another 2.5 grams before going to bed. I noticed that if you don't massage it in, it flakes off. Flakes = waste.

Right now my flaccid is quite normal. Hopefully I'll be able to sleep tonight.
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You are going through a lot now, making big decisions, changing life style, etc. this will effect your sleep but with the help of melatonin, or the like, you will find that rest. What did you decide on the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]?
 
DLD: Ordered my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] today. I'll include into my workout program once it arrives. If you need my order number for affiliate compensation, let me know.

Day 3:

I couldn't sleep again last night, even after 2 - 3 mg melatonins, 1 g of GABA, and 100 mg of 5-HTP. Three letters for ya... W-T-F!?

Today is a scheduled day off. Still no morning wood as a result of no sleep. Aside from that, I have not experience my positive signs from my Andractim experiment. The warmth and fuller flaccid that I experienced on Day 1 was absent today. No feelings of horniness nor irritability (well, no more than the usual anyway).

My girlfriend prepped 3 bags of bedtime tea. Hopefully I'll sleep tonight. Prior to bed, i'll apply my 2nd dose of 2.5 grams.
 
Finally got a little sleep last night. Had some morning wood, but nothing extreme (typical morning erection, on a scale of 10: 6-7)

Day 4:

My day is packed and will hopefully be able to squeeze in a workout tonight. Already rubbed in 2.5 grams for my morning dose. Still no PIs as of yet; no side effects either (acne, aggression, oily scalp, etc.).
 
Sorry for the lapse in posts. My weekend was a perfect combination of busy and lazy.

I did not have a chance to workout on Day 4. Nor did I experience any PIs.

I did a modified routine on Day 5 that included extended jelq sessions without edging. Been sleeping ok and experiencing typical morning wood but nothing skin popping as I would have expected from the Andractim.

So far, I have been very consistent with the application of 2.5 grams 2x daily. Today is a scheduled day off, but I may squeeze in some light jelqing prior to the Andractim applications.
 
Fell off the wagon on Days 6 & 7 due to my friend being in town. My whole schedule has been thrown off and I will have to resume after Sunday, April 18th.

Haven't been Penis Enlargementing nor applying andractim; nor have I noticed any negative or positive PIs for growth.

A bit of reflection: Seeing as how the only day that I ever experienced PIs was the first night, it may be possible that I have already adapted to the dose and down-regulated DHT receptors. Respectively, when I get back on track, I will pursue a 1 day on/1 day off cycle to see if things pick up again.
 
DH, I ordered some adractim this weekend, I have not received and shipping info. and the money has not come off of my card yet, is this normal? I live in the states, I don't know if that plays a part or not. Keep up the detailed log, it's very motivational for us :)

Dford
 
Douglas Hamlin;376905 said:
I couldn't sleep again last night, even after 2 - 3 mg melatonins, 1 g of GABA, and 100 mg of 5-HTP. Three letters for ya... W-T-F!?
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Don't read into it too much, I occasionally go through insomnia and if I let it get to me it gets worse, if I just go with it the sleep comes faster.
 
dickfordays;377452 said:
DH, I ordered some adractim this weekend, I have not received and shipping info. and the money has not come off of my card yet, is this normal? I live in the states, I don't know if that plays a part or not. Keep up the detailed log, it's very motivational for us :)

Dford
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Did you place the order last weekend? The money should be deducted within 1-2 days. Your package should arrive within 5-7 days of your order - mine did.

Thanks, Dford! I'll definitely keep posting - progress or not; some light needs to be shed on the whole DHT supplement route.
 
I have been off Andractim since April 12th. Today is my 5th day off. My friend is in town for another few days and I will abstain from exercising and supplementing till I can get back on a dedicated routine.

A couple nights ago (April 14th), I got really horny and had some fun with my girlfriend. My erection was pretty strong - not skin bursting strong, but a little better than the usual. After sex, I did some clamping + kegels for about 2 minutes. I have clamped before, and am not exactly sure why, but this clamp session (although short) felt intense! I was able to induce a 9.5-10 point erection (on a scale of 1-10). I had that skin popping/stretching experience that felt amazing! :)

The next day I hung a little heavier all day. Not sure if these PIs are from post andractim application or purely just some fluke effect from clamping post orgasm (which I don't have that much experience with). Hopefully with more experience, I can discern whether its related to Andractim or a new way of doing clamping (post orgasm).
 
Douglas Hamlin;377586 said:
I have been off Andractim since April 12th. Today is my 5th day off. My friend is in town for another few days and I will abstain from exercising and supplementing till I can get back on a dedicated routine.

A couple nights ago (April 14th), I got really horny and had some fun with my girlfriend. My erection was pretty strong - not skin bursting strong, but a little better than the usual. After sex, I did some clamping + kegels for about 2 minutes. I have clamped before, and am not exactly sure why, but this clamp session (although short) felt intense! I was able to induce a 9.5-10 point erection (on a scale of 1-10). I had that skin popping/stretching experience that felt amazing! :)

The next day I hung a little heavier all day. Not sure if these PIs are from post andractim application or purely just some fluke effect from clamping post orgasm (which I don't have that much experience with). Hopefully with more experience, I can discern whether its related to Andractim or a new way of doing clamping (post orgasm).
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Sounds like it is going great, a huge improvement from your first post.
 
Thanks DLD!

Minor semantic correction on my erection level during the post orgasm clamping: Most guys are trying to induce that coveted 110% erection while clamping - which I have certainly done before. But this felt unlike anything I have ever done before, like 115%! So on a scale of 1-10, that would be more like an 11.5.

On a side note, my sleep quality has improved which I am sure is diet related. After I made some changes to my nutrition, my sleep quality restored overnight.
 
DH, good to hear things are getting a little better, may be too early to pinpoint the reasons though, hopefully it's your work outs and DHT. I agree, I think DHT needs to be looked into a little more, I'll contribute my results. I think DHT may work great for some, and not for others, depending upon a person's chemistry, receptors, history, etc. My order has still not gone through, no money has come out, and no shipping info. yet. I ordered on Sunday. I'll give them the 10 days they ask for before inquiring about my order status, hopefully it didn't get rejected, I put gyno as the reason though.

Dford
 
dickfordays;377606 said:
DH, good to hear things are getting a little better, may be too early to pinpoint the reasons though, hopefully it's your work outs and DHT. I agree, I think DHT needs to be looked into a little more, I'll contribute my results. I think DHT may work great for some, and not for others, depending upon a person's chemistry, receptors, history, etc. My order has still not gone through, no money has come out, and no shipping info. yet. I ordered on Sunday. I'll give them the 10 days they ask for before inquiring about my order status, hopefully it didn't get rejected, I put gyno as the reason though.

Dford
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You should be good. I indicated gyno as well.

As far as progress is concerned, I am still unable to workout yet my flaccid has been hanging fuller everyday since the post orgasm clamp workout. Since I haven't been Penis Enlargementing, I am wondering if my PIs are resultant from some sort of latent DHT effects...
 
DH, I just had an idea about applying DHT or any other topical for that matter. Check out micro needle rollers, just google it or search for it on ebay. It's a roller with tiny needles that you roll over your skin to create tiny openings so that your topical products are absorbed much better. I'm not sure if absorbtion is a problem with Andractim, I'm just brainstorming here. If I ever get my Andractim:) and I find that it's not working like I hope, I may experiment with this. Let me know your thoughts on this, I've never used Andractim before, maybe you can offer some good insight about this idea.

Dford
 
The andractim gel has an alcohol base. Pin holes with an alcohol burn doesn't seem too appealing. Would this fall under 'No pain, no gain'?
 
Yes that sounds like it could be painful, I didn't know about the alcohol base! Maybe I won't try it:). Hopefully absorbtion will not be an issue.

Dford
 
I dont think absorption is an issue. The gel seems to absorb quite effectively as long as you massage it in. I highly recommend using latex gloves to prevent any from being absorbed into your hands.

Hypothetically speaking, if absorption were an issue, DMSO could be used topically in conjunction with DHT application.

I will resume my Penis Enlargement and Andractim Applications tomorrow. Based on my experience thus far, I am going to switch to a 1 day on/1 day off DHT application (2.5 grams 2 times per day).

I'm also thinking about mixing up my workout as well - cutting out pumping (until my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] arrives) and focus on more jelqing/clamping and possibly edging. I will post the specifics on my workout routine tomorrow.
 
Just received my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] in the mail today! Took about 10 days to arrive.

I never take baths, so I also ordered the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Shower Strap[/words]. I was so excited to try it out, the very next thing I did was jump in the shower.

First impressions:

The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]shower strap[/words] is way too small to be useful (practically choking myself trying to get it right). I ordered a medium on the account that I am 5'11 and usually wear medium clothing. Wrong! I need a Large. And since they are adjustable, I imagine everyone should order the large (or they can just make it a "one-size-fits-all").

The rubber gasket of this thing is incredible and provides an impressive amount of suction and support! Once attached, I was able to let it 'hang' freely without a loss of grip for about 30 seconds or so. Allowing the unit to hang provides additional suction that could be used as an optional workout method. With a little practice, I am sure I could use it without the strap, however, I do not know if that will be safe (too much pressure = injury).

I wore the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] for 15 minutes, periodically removing it to refill the water level and restore heat. It genuinely feels a little different than traditional air pumping though its hard to articulate how... After the 15 minutes was up, I had a substantially greater hang and pump with no fluid retention (much different than air pumps which leave you hung with lymph fluid). I wish I had my tape measure handy... all I can say for now is that it felt big and heavy.

Pump lasted about 10-15 minutes and as I write this my penis is hanging at about 5" length x 4 1/2" girth, which is a little above normal (4 7/8" x 4 3/8"). We'll see if it builds above that...

According to DLD and RedZulu, the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] can be used everyday, which I intend to do. I will stick with the 1 on/1 off DHT application. Still contemplating my post [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], pre-DHT workout routine. Will post once I figure it out.
 
DH, I've been using my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] daily for about a month, sometimes twice a day with no real problems except tiny spots from burst blood vessels and capillaries. I use it at night so I've been planning on using the DHT after my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session. Still no word on the Andractim though, I emailed them to inquire about my order and have not heard back, something is obviously wrong, I ordered over a week ago and the money still has not been debited. Anyway, I didn't get the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]shower strap[/words] so I've had to improvise one, I don't like having to hold it the whole time. I don't use it in the shower or bath at all, when you have a good seal you should not lose any water unless you pump, so I just keep an empty glass handy. I hope the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] helps to kickstart your gains, it is definitely different than air pumping, I get good expansion instead of just a weird looking unit from air pumping. From the reviews, guys have been getting good gains in both length and girth so hopefully you'll respond well to it. I think those who have issues with EQ see the best results from it, however. I've always had super stong erections so my results have only been temporary at this point, hopefully the daily expansion will lead to gains in time though. At the least, having a new toy always brings new motivation, keep it up:)

Dford
 
dickfordays;378462 said:
DH, I've been using my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] daily for about a month, sometimes twice a day with no real problems except tiny spots from burst blood vessels and capillaries. I use it at night so I've been planning on using the DHT after my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session. Still no word on the Andractim though, I emailed them to inquire about my order and have not heard back, something is obviously wrong, I ordered over a week ago and the money still has not been debited. Anyway, I didn't get the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]shower strap[/words] so I've had to improvise one, I don't like having to hold it the whole time. I don't use it in the shower or bath at all, when you have a good seal you should not lose any water unless you pump, so I just keep an empty glass handy. I hope the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] helps to kickstart your gains, it is definitely different than air pumping, I get good expansion instead of just a weird looking unit from air pumping. From the reviews, guys have been getting good gains in both length and girth so hopefully you'll respond well to it. I think those who have issues with EQ see the best results from it, however. I've always had super stong erections so my results have only been temporary at this point, hopefully the daily expansion will lead to gains in time though. At the least, having a new toy always brings new motivation, keep it up:)

Dford
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Sounds good, Dford! Have you gained with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]?

Yeah, the sensation is definitely different than air pumping. My hang after wards is engorged with blood (man does my dick get friggin' red) and is not puffy at all (indication of lymph fluid). I am hoping that it will help me gain, as you know, I am on my last legs with Penis Enlargement.

Moving forward, here is what my routine will look like:

Andractim application: 2.5 grams morning and evening (5 grams total), 1 day on/1 day off.

On Andractim Days:

15 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] Pumping
15 minute alternating Jelq (60-80%) and Erect Clamping

On non-Andractim Days:

15 minute [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] Pumping

Today is Day 2 on the new DHT cycle (1st day off).
 
I haven't been able to get anything permanent yet from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], but with the daily expansion, it's bound to start to stick sooner or later. On a side note, how old are you? I think there might be a age/development cut off point in terms of results from DHT. To be honest, if you could apply it during puberty, I think the results would be unbelievable, I wish I would have known about it years ago! I think your routine sounds good, apparently it's good to apply the DHT after a workout, I think post [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] would be optimal, I plan on applying my second dose after my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session at night. My original order of Andractim didn't go through, so I've had to re-order. They said I was supposed to get an email saying that it didn't go through, but I got that email an hour after I re-ordered, so I hope they were referring to my original order, and not saying that my second order didn't go through, it's getting pretty confusing! Anyway, I hope your EOD routine works with the Andractim, I know down-regulation of receptor sites kicks in after a period of time with any extraneous introduction of hormones, and that a recovery period is then required to allow the receptor sites to become receptive again, I just hope that a day is enough for you. I'll be interested to see how it pans out for you. Hopefully I'll be able to contribute in a week or so if I can ever get my order worked out:)

Dford
 
Hey Douglas. Im sorry to hear about your struggles. I wanted to address your sleep issues first. I drink something called sleepy time tea from any local grocery store and it works magic on restless nights. If u feel like ur going to be stressed in bed around 10pm or so drink a few glasses and by midnight u should be fast asleep. Its inexpensive and I use it all the time since I have trouble sleeping too. Sleeping suck and can be addictive this is an herbal tea and promise u will love it as much as I do. Also be careful not to drink anything that has caffeine like a coke or anything sugary this will keep u up and wont even be aware thats what it is. Also my therapist taught me a great way to clear you rmind. Its a lot like meditation and it works wonders just try it yourself!

Take a breath in count 1. (In your mind)
Breath out count 2
Breath in count to 3
Breath out count 4
Breath in count to 5
Breath out count 6
Breath in count to 7
Breath out count 8
Breath in count to 9
Breath out count 10

Start Over at 1

If anything interrupts your thoughts between 1 and 10 start again from 1.
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Ok so now I have some thoughts about your routines
Part of the reason I dont think youve gained is because your routine IS NOT very intense. You can think of it as weight training. Have you ever seen someone workout that is really muscular at a gym. They must make it their life. They spend hours their, take muscle building supplements, eat a special diet, read about it, dream about it.. etc etc.

Now u see the fat person at the gym. They spend 20 mins there twice a week. They dont eat right, they think that it is impossible to get in shape and by thinking it it becomes their reality. That must be what DLD means visualize what you want and it will become real.

I have been off Andractim since April 12th. Today is my 5th day off. My friend is in town for another few days and I will abstain from exercising and supplementing till I can get back on a dedicated routine.
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Here is another reason I dont think you make significant gains. Ive read as your penis tears and grows the worst thing is to let it heal= no growth. There is no time for busy/lazy weekends, no friends in town, no vacations. No one is going to kick your ass into shape for u. You are only stopping yourself. So if you really want it and I mean REALLY Want IT, U have to give up thinking its just going to happen if u do a couple mins of Jelqing and some [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] once a day or every other day.

Heres a tip for you. Theres so much in Penis Enlargement you already have tested many methods but its no where near the end. What Im doing is taking supplements (L-arginine) and Leech oil. Thats the easy part as well as something like the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Titan[/words] pills. Next I never take a day off. If I feel fatigued I go easier but I dont skip a day or two thats wasting all the hard work Ive done and its too easy to slip away and turn into weeks and months.

Mix your routine up. Do stretches, Jelqing, kegals, [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], hanging. And dont always keep it the same. Different stretches, [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] before or after a workout, kegals all day or 100 reverse kegals and 100 kegals.... hang every other day, edge 3 times a day once a week... etc etc

The point Im making is switch it up and step it up. It seems your routine only takes 80mins.

(Warm-up)
5 minute warm-up
3 minute jelq
2 minute clamp

(Workout - repeat 4 times)
10 minute pump at 3" with heat (non-erect)
3 minute jelq
2 minute clamp

Finish with 5 minute edging
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In 2 years you should now an hour a day isnt going to do much. So if u want it go get it
 
Just got out of the shower from my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] session. It's my DHT day off so I will not be applying any.

I took less breaks with my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and experienced a little fluid build-up toward my urethra. Did some 60-70% erect jelqing to facilitate removal for about 5 minutes. During my jelq session, my penis felt significantly thicker to me, so I took a small break to measure mid-shaft girth: 4 7/8"-5" (1/4-3/8" pump)! Now, I know that's not much for most of the people here, but I usually don't experience pumps like this in 15 minutes; it usually takes longer and is always the result of lymph fluid accumulation. I don't know if this will translate into permanent gains, but it certainly seems more promising than the 3+ years I have experimented with pumping (and I even used the Vaculogic QS7).

Towards the end of my pump session, My penis was half-way between the 160-170 mm mark. That places me at approximately 6.5" while in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. Let's see how this improves.
 
About to crash for the night. Just wanted to report that I am experience a nice flaccid hang (5 1/4" length x 4 1/2" girth), a nice heavy feeling, and lots of warmth. Excellent PIs so far - I hope this keeps up. :)
 
Turnover;378572 said:
Hey Douglas. Im sorry to hear about your struggles. I wanted to address your sleep issues first. I drink something called sleepy time tea from any local grocery store and it works magic on restless nights. If u feel like ur going to be stressed in bed around 10pm or so drink a few glasses and by midnight u should be fast asleep. Its inexpensive and I use it all the time since I have trouble sleeping too. Sleeping suck and can be addictive this is an herbal tea and promise u will love it as much as I do. Also be careful not to drink anything that has caffeine like a coke or anything sugary this will keep u up and wont even be aware thats what it is. Also my therapist taught me a great way to clear you rmind. Its a lot like meditation and it works wonders just try it yourself!

Take a breath in count 1. (In your mind)
Breath out count 2
Breath in count to 3
Breath out count 4
Breath in count to 5
Breath out count 6
Breath in count to 7
Breath out count 8
Breath in count to 9
Breath out count 10

Start Over at 1

If anything interrupts your thoughts between 1 and 10 start again from 1.
:)
Ok so now I have some thoughts about your routines
Part of the reason I dont think youve gained is because your routine IS NOT very intense. You can think of it as weight training. Have you ever seen someone workout that is really muscular at a gym. They must make it their life. They spend hours their, take muscle building supplements, eat a special diet, read about it, dream about it.. etc etc.

Now u see the fat person at the gym. They spend 20 mins there twice a week. They dont eat right, they think that it is impossible to get in shape and by thinking it it becomes their reality. That must be what DLD means visualize what you want and it will become real.



Here is another reason I dont think you make significant gains. Ive read as your penis tears and grows the worst thing is to let it heal= no growth. There is no time for busy/lazy weekends, no friends in town, no vacations. No one is going to kick your ass into shape for u. You are only stopping yourself. So if you really want it and I mean REALLY Want IT, U have to give up thinking its just going to happen if u do a couple mins of Jelqing and some [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] once a day or every other day.

Heres a tip for you. Theres so much in Penis Enlargement you already have tested many methods but its no where near the end. What Im doing is taking supplements (L-arginine) and Leech oil. Thats the easy part as well as something like the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Titan[/words] pills. Next I never take a day off. If I feel fatigued I go easier but I dont skip a day or two thats wasting all the hard work Ive done and its too easy to slip away and turn into weeks and months.

Mix your routine up. Do stretches, Jelqing, kegals, [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words], [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], hanging. And dont always keep it the same. Different stretches, [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] before or after a workout, kegals all day or 100 reverse kegals and 100 kegals.... hang every other day, edge 3 times a day once a week... etc etc

The point Im making is switch it up and step it up. It seems your routine only takes 80mins.




In 2 years you should now an hour a day isnt going to do much. So if u want it go get it
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Thanks for the feedback, Turnover. However, I don't think its necessary to Penis Enlargement for over 60 minutes a day. You can say what you want about how muscle tissue/penis tissue grows, but the truth is, no one grows from a workout without some kind of rest - and everyone is different, some need more some need less. Trust me on this, I work as a Personal Trainer. This applies to strength training and Penis Enlargement. I have sustained injuries as a consequence of hitting it too hard and too frequently. Moderation is key.

Nuff said. Moving on...

Today is day 3 of the 1 day on/1 day off DHT + Daily [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. Results are looking good. My flaccid is hanging around 5-5 1/4 x 4 3/8" (L x G), and feels warm and heavier. Already applied my first 2.5 grams of Andractim and am looking forward to my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] + manual workout routine this evening. :)
 
I did blue whales for 20 minutes a day for 3 months and solidified 1/4 inch gain (not newbie gains). I also put on my last 1/4 inch girth with clamping 20 minutes every other day so it's just trial and error for gains.
 
irafreak1;378687 said:
I did blue whales for 20 minutes a day for 3 months and solidified 1/4 inch gain (not newbie gains). I also put on my last 1/4 inch girth with clamping 20 minutes every other day so it's just trial and error for gains.
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That is odd that your penis can take this type of training with no issues but the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is causing problems.
 
I kinda agree with you on that DLD. Of all of the Penis Enlargement methods that I have used, the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] holds the most potential - for now. I hope it stays that way. :)

Funny story: Last night I took a shower with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] for my usual 15 minute workout. After securing it to my unit, the bathroom door opens... my girlfriend walks in. I guess she had planned on sharing the shower with me. Well, when she pulled the curtain and stepped in I said with my back to her: "You're not going to want to know what I am doing..." As I slowly turned around with this giant plastic cylinder hanging off my crotch and the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]shower strap[/words] secured around my neck like some sort of asphyxiation device, she laughed out loud and said: "What the hell is that? Another one of your toys?" She knows I have been Penis Enlargementing for years (unfortunate for her, with no benefits :( ). I smiled and said "We'll see how this one turns out..."

I planned on telling her about the new toy after I experienced some gains... oh well! :)
 
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