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MikeShlort · Feb 11, 2014

toucHydromaxyjunk;576434 said:
Doesn't it just take a 2-3 week deconditioning to allow the ligaments to weaken? It doesn't take too long for the rest of the body to fall apart. Ever wear a sling for 3 weeks? Your shoulder connecting tissues will barely function they become so weak.

Ya but that's because in a sling you aren't moving your arm. While deconditioning, your penis is still getting erect and functioning normally. There is no reason why your ligaments would atrophy with normal use. That being said, I do believe in deconditioning but I believe it is only appropriate when you plateau at heavy weights AFTER you've cemented.

As far as vet's comment, I just go by what the hanging community goes by. Maybe working girth while hanging won't cause gaining at higher angled hanging to be more difficult but there is anecdotal evidence that those with larger girth had much more difficulty hanging. The user ironwill here is dealing with that problem, I believe. At any rate, it's up to the individual to figure out what their priorities are. I think the hanging community frowns upon heavy girth work while hanging just due to the fact that it's going to cause attachment point problems, since hanging itself is such a harmful practice. Adding in pumping is just going to complicate things. Kingsnake had to switch to a vac hanger for that reason.

I think a good routine to follow if you aren't die-hard about having to gain the most amount in the quickest time would be 1 set/day at a weight that causes fatigue and pumping + jelqing every (other) day or so.

AdmiralLongDong · Feb 11, 2014

Just popped on to see whats up. Clicked this and remembered this discussion as being very useful.

I'm doing just that; I laid off of stretching for about three months. Now I am onto the heavy stretching and no girth work. Plan to use sock stretches for maximum effect.

The diagram really points to where you need to be careful in your grip. A side to side pressure point is better than along the top since all the nerves sit on top. You do not want to crush those nerves.

Good stuff here, thanks!

Vetiver · Feb 11, 2014

MikeShlort;576541 said:
Ya but that's because in a sling you aren't moving your arm. While deconditioning, your penis is still getting erect and functioning normally. There is no reason why your ligaments would atrophy with normal use. That being said, I do believe in deconditioning but I believe it is only appropriate when you plateau at heavy weights AFTER you've cemented.

As far as vet's comment, I just go by what the hanging community goes by. Maybe working girth while hanging won't cause gaining at higher angled hanging to be more difficult but there is anecdotal evidence that those with larger girth had much more difficulty hanging. The user ironwill here is dealing with that problem, I believe. At any rate, it's up to the individual to figure out what their priorities are. I think the hanging community frowns upon heavy girth work while hanging just due to the fact that it's going to cause attachment point problems, since hanging itself is such a harmful practice. Adding in pumping is just going to complicate things. Kingsnake had to switch to a vac hanger for that reason.

I think a good routine to follow if you aren't die-hard about having to gain the most amount in the quickest time would be 1 set/day at a weight that causes fatigue and pumping + jelqing every (other) day or so.

Excuse my stupidity, I just don't quite understand the sentence outlined in red, can you clarify? What's with the hanging community, I am very uninformed. So you're concluding that hanging with girth work is ok, now? I haven't kept up with KSnake's log, and I'll have to rummage through it, unless you care to summarize.

Personally, I do the newbie routine, followed by 90 minutes of hanging, then I do girth in the PM. I start with the newbie routine jelqs, however I usually end up jelqing for X amount of time. Subsequent to the newbie routine girth exercises, I jump into the Bathmate for expressive stretching and twists which takes about 20 minutes (to be specific, I pump to max pressure and do 3 sets each of down, center, and up in the direction of left, center, and right). So, by then I'm pretty plump and jump right into 6 sets of 6 minutes in the Bathmate, this can take me upwards of 35 minute to complete with the addition of a few SSJ's and Erect Bends.

Just started reading your Log.

truant · Feb 12, 2014

Zambrodom3;576296 said:
Even though I think this thread was very interesting- I see no reason people should follow what's written on these thread religiously. This community has been up for more than 10 years now and I've seen no thread where someone says he had his nerves damaged or whatsoever. I am not saying the information is inaccurate, but there are lots of stuff on these 2 threads (the Gangsta Urologist one) and this one that contradict what DLD has said and even some information in both thread is contradicted.

(I was just about to quote some of the info, but I saw the 1st post of the thread posted ny Neurostar has been deleted. If anyone has it copied- I'd love to have a copy of this read myself ).

"He told me the majority of stretching should be down in the down direction (all angles), but other directions such as straight out and straight up are important to do as well. He told me the more angles the better."- this is quoted from the 1st post of this thread. This is the 1st contradiction- the gangsta urologist says you must not stretch downward and this guy says it is the best angle (along with BTC) to stretch.

And I remember Mike saying that stretching with normal grip (the one most of us use- where you grip before the glans or an inch before it (varies for everyone)) and the gangsta urologist said that one should stretch at the base of the shaft (I don't remember it being like that 100%, but I remember reading it through the thread).

And how many of you have tried the fast mini jelqs he was talking about?

I don't know... but if you have a copy of the thread- please PM it to me or just paste it here

Tell me what you guys think, I think we can make a good discussion on it

I'm sorry zam didn't see this before. Yes I been doing the mini Jelqs they are great cause I never really liked the friction I got while going up the whole shaft anyway so that technique worked for me.

The Btc warning the gangsta urologist was the thing I was talking about that I forgot. I wonder why that is.

Mikes article made me want to focus on light length work now too that's the direction was leaning toward anyway.

I'm still going to edge and do the mini Jelqs on the side.

truant · Feb 12, 2014

AdmiralLongDong;576554 said:
Just popped on to see whats up. Clicked this and remembered this discussion as being very useful.

I'm doing just that; I laid off of stretching for about three months. Now I am onto the heavy stretching and no girth work. Plan to use sock stretches for maximum effect.

The diagram really points to where you need to be careful in your grip. A side to side pressure point is better than along the top since all the nerves sit on top. You do not want to crush those nerves.

Good stuff here, thanks!

Yeah theres been good discussions going on lately.

Wow sock stretches havnt heard that term in a while.

ShadedSam · Feb 12, 2014

Vevetir, I liked your picture of the penis structure. I looked into it and I don't think it is a ligament that is toughening. I read about it and I think it is a type of Peyronies. According to the medical community, Peyronies is fibrosis on the tunica that forms in cords and often on the top of the penis. So I think that is what happened to me. My suspensory ligament also has toughened up. So until I can get the fibrous tissue to go away along my tunica and suspensory ligament, length gains will be very slow.

Whether girth work increases the chances of this happening, I do not know, but I'm going to stay away from heavy girth work for awhile, at least until I can get rid of the fibrosis.

houseofr00bees · Feb 12, 2014

My greatest gains came from manual stretching every other day and extender up to 8 hours a day. I remember like it was yesterday. I measured and I had gained a while inch, i shit you not. I got so excited that day that I put more intensity in my stretching and more tension on the extender and "plateud".
Im doing very light stretching now only down and btc every other day followed by a wrap, well see where this takes me

Super · Feb 12, 2014

ShadedSam;576578 said:
Vevetir, I liked your picture of the penis structure. I looked into it and I don't think it is a ligament that is toughening. I read about it and I think it is a type of Peyronies. According to the medical community, Peyronies is fibrosis on the tunica that forms in cords and often on the top of the penis. So I think that is what happened to me. My suspensory ligament also has toughened up. So until I can get the fibrous tissue to go away along my tunica and suspensory ligament, length gains will be very slow.

Whether girth work increases the chances of this happening, I do not know, but I'm going to stay away from heavy girth work for awhile, at least until I can get rid of the fibrosis.

From your pic, looks like your penis has grown

MikeShlort · Feb 12, 2014

houseofr00bees;576600 said:
My greatest gains came from manual stretching every other day and extender up to 8 hours a day. I remember like it was yesterday. I measured and I had gained a while inch, i shit you not. I got so excited that day that I put more intensity in my stretching and more tension on the extender and "plateud".
Im doing very light stretching now only down and btc every other day followed by a wrap, well see where this takes me

I think this sums it up perfectly. Just like with hanging, you try to add too much weight, your penis will get stronger to deal with it. The idea is to milk the gains at the lowest intensity.

MikeShlort · Feb 12, 2014

Hanging at high angles targets tunica stretching, low angles (BTC) targets suspensory ligament stretching. The latter is the easier of the two to accomplish.

truant · Feb 12, 2014

Good point mike. My question is say if I used to hang a little and do the Bathmate and clamp. Would this inhibit ones growth in anyway when they begin light stretching and length?

What would be the solution or conclusion to this big subject?

truant · Feb 12, 2014

Just ordered 250g of PABA from pure bulk and medical grade 70% DMSO solution in a glass bottle from Jacoblabs.

I'm also going to order tadalaphil from alldaychemist for my edging sessions. But I'm going to use a prepaid card for them but I used my visa with them before it was legit.

Does anyone have any pointers when using this stuff and how often. I remember reading kingsnakes thread with the pic on how to mix does anyone have a link?

I'm also going to do lots of kegels with this to max benefit.

MikeShlort · Feb 13, 2014

My solution is keeping hanging separate from pumping or clamping.

truant · Feb 13, 2014

With the PABA/DMSO im going to get gause and just soak the guase in the 70% DMSO apply a thin layer of PABA powder and press it against my erect shaft. Any tips?

touchmyjunk · Feb 13, 2014

truant;576721 said:
With the PABA/DMSO im going to get gause and just soak the guase in the 70% DMSO apply a thin layer of PABA powder and press it against my erect shaft. Any tips?

When I started using it, my plan was to use sterile cotton balls and gently dab it on. Nowadays I just wash my hands and penis, then pour about a tablespoon on the shaft and stroke/jelq it in. Then after 5-10 minutes I wash it off with water. I've never had the burning sensation that others have, so I dunno.

truant · Feb 13, 2014

toucHydromaxyjunk;576723 said:
When I started using it, my plan was to use sterile cotton balls and gently dab it on. Nowadays I just wash my hands and penis, then pour about a tablespoon on the shaft and stroke/jelq it in. Then after 5-10 minutes I wash it off with water. I've never had the burning sensation that others have, so I dunno.

Interesting tmj that you were thinking the same thing. I agree with you statement because the guy over at the lab said you can pour the 70% right on the skin its the best they have.

Do I even need the paba powder or should I return it I spend $18 for a 250g bag. Should I just injest it with water or should I not even bother? Between all these topics going on I'm getting all the information and what to buy and what not to buy.

touchmyjunk · Feb 13, 2014

truant;576725 said:
Interesting tmj that you were thinking the same thing. I agree with you statement because the guy over at the lab said you can pour the 70% right on the skin its the best they have.

Do I even need the paba powder or should I return it I spend $18 for a 250g bag. Should I just injest it with water or should I not even bother? Between all these topics going on I'm getting all the information and what to buy and what not to buy.

I'll be honest I don't know whether it's the DMSO or the PABA doing the work, but I sure notice an improvement in pliability with just the 5 minute treatment in the morning. The biggest thing with DMSO is getting a proper container which won't melt or leech into it.

truant · Feb 13, 2014

toucHydromaxyjunk;576727 said:
I'll be honest I don't know whether it's the DMSO or the PABA doing the work, but I sure notice an improvement in pliability with just the 5 minute treatment in the morning. The biggest thing with DMSO is getting a proper container which won't melt or leech into it.

Good to hear tmj on the pliability. How do you take the PABA do you ingest it or mix it with DMSO?

The Glass jar is available on special request so if I don't even have to mix it with the PABA anyway theres no reason to go out and get separate glass jars if it's already in one since I'm just going to rub it on the skin right?

Vetiver · Feb 13, 2014

truant;576729 said:
Good to hear tmj on the pliability. How do you take the PABA do you ingest it or mix it with DMSO?

The Glass jar is available on special request so if I don't even have to mix it with the PABA anyway theres no reason to go out and get separate glass jars if it's already in one since I'm just going to rub it on the skin right?

Yes you don't need to transfer the DMSO into another container unless you've got spare sterile jars and desire to concoct a portion of your DMSO with some PABA/other supplements. If you're just using the DMSO straight, I would use it from the glass it came in.

truant · Feb 13, 2014

Good advice vetiver didn't know the jars would have to be sterile too. Yes so you aswered my question I will use it from the glass jar it came in.

Do I even need the bag of PABA thats coming in the mail now or should I sent it back when it comes??

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