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touchmyjunk · Feb 9, 2014

Satyr;576308 said:
Zam, I don't see a contradiction in the quoted sentence and I can't remember one. Iirc and as it is quoted above by toucHydromaxyjunk the only thing he warned neutron off was the straight btc stretch, not any kind of downward stretch (just to be clear: I don't consider the btc stretch as downward stretch! btc is btc, downward is downward).

True. I kinda equated straight downward with straight btc. Partially because I was never certain what straight btc actually is and how it differs from say hanging while sitting on the edge of a chair.

I do fast mini jelqs all the time. Gangsta!

Satyr · Feb 9, 2014

toucHydromaxyjunk;576310 said:
True. I kinda equated straight downward with straight btc. Partially because I was never certain what straight btc actually is and how it differs from say hanging while sitting on the edge of a chair.

I do fast mini jelqs all the time. Gangsta!

hanging on the edge of a chair creates a stretch from an angle similar to straight btc, maybe not quite as extreme.
Fast mini jelqs never worked for me, i.e. I've never managed to do them right,idk

Zambrodom3 · Feb 9, 2014

toucHydromaxyjunk;576310 said:
True. I kinda equated straight downward with straight btc. Partially because I was never certain what straight btc actually is and how it differs from say hanging while sitting on the edge of a chair.

I do fast mini jelqs all the time. Gangsta!

I guess it was my bad- I didn't understand right

The mini jelqs- do they work for you? What expansion do you get from them?

Vetiver · Feb 9, 2014

Zambrodom3;576314 said:
I guess it was my bad- I didn't understand right

The mini jelqs- do they work for you? What expansion do you get from them?

If you're talking about the mini jelqs where you start at the base and only move up like 1-1/2" then yeah, they work. I think they've helped increase base girth too...

Satyr · Feb 9, 2014

mmh, do you do them erect, half erect or flaccid? and how fast and how long do you do them?

Zambrodom3 · Feb 9, 2014

Satyr;576318 said:
mmh, do you do them erect, half erect or flaccid? and how fast and how long do you do them?

and do you use any lubrication? I don't remember perfectly, but I think it was said to be performed dry...?

touchmyjunk · Feb 9, 2014

Satyr;576318 said:
mmh, do you do them erect, half erect or flaccid? and how fast and how long do you do them?

How I do them..

During a good raging hard on, loose jelq-grip at the base, push into fat pad, tighten grip and jelq about 1". Most grip pressure along the sides. Repeat like you are building pressure then hold it and close another finger or two on the grip.

So I just use it like a pump to increase the pressure of a hard on. Personally it works best as a supplement when doing mixed manual work, i.e. full package stretches and blasters.

Here2Help · Feb 9, 2014

Mike Short: Did you go to a specialist? Because after reading your post, it sounds like you think you're a specialist.

Zambrodom3 · Feb 9, 2014

toucHydromaxyjunk;576322 said:
How I do them..

During a good raging hard on, loose jelq-grip at the base, push into fat pad, tighten grip and jelq about 1". Most grip pressure along the sides. Repeat like you are building pressure then hold it and close another finger or two on the grip.

So I just use it like a pump to increase the pressure of a hard on. Personally it works best as a supplement when doing mixed manual work, i.e. full package stretches and blasters.

What expansion do you see after this?

touchmyjunk · Feb 9, 2014

Zambrodom3;576337 said:
What expansion do you see after this?

It's somewhat unlimited because I find a lot of leverage when doing this. So I keep the pressure somewhere between "clamped" pressure and blowing the tip of my penis out.

I consider it a stretching exercise which I use to prepare for air pump or the longer term use of a sleeve.

I think also that the use of sleeves is underrated. For me, a fabric sleeve (divo or stealth -- I combine the two) really concentrates pressure. Like an amplified jelq. Every once in a while I experiment with wearing a sleeve over two days, say a weekend, and combining jelq and clamping. At the end, it's seriously like a different dick, typically 1/4" longer (due to temporary expansion and deformity). It is perhaps, a way to SRT for internal expansion.

MikeShlort · Feb 9, 2014

I suggest you guys hit up bib's forum if you want some legit information on proper hanging.
Yes, the Dr. was a specialist. But the 4 steps I posted a few days ago is how I would approach Penis Enlargement. Penis Enlargement is an easy concept with difficult to master techniques. The key is consistency, determination and research. And being able to tell good information from bad information helps.

One thing I can tell you is beware if you're going to hang lying down... Keep your back completely straight or you will have back problems. Same goes with wearing an extender while working.. Causes more back harm than it does any positive length benefits.

Vetiver · Feb 9, 2014

MikeShlort;576350 said:
I suggest you guys hit up bib's forum if you want some legit information on proper hanging.
Yes, the Dr. was a specialist. But the 4 steps I posted a few days ago is how I would approach Penis Enlargement. Penis Enlargement is an easy concept with difficult to master techniques. The key is consistency, determination and research. And being able to tell good information from bad information helps.

One thing I can tell you is beware if you're going to hang lying down... Keep your back completely straight or you will have back problems. Same goes with wearing an extender while working.. Causes more back harm than it does any positive length benefits.

I still have to disagree with your theories about ligament fibrosis from doing girth + length. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding, and that you were mainly trying to stress to go slow in the beginning as not to over-train and cause the scar tissue formation, but adding in girth really doesn't play a role in this.

Zambrodom3 · Feb 10, 2014

Vetiver;576356 said:
I still have to disagree with your theories about ligament fibrosis from doing girth + length. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding, and that you were mainly trying to stress to go slow in the beginning as not to over-train and cause the scar tissue formation, but adding in girth really doesn't play a role in this.

Yeah Mike, I'd love to have that answered as well. What do you think personally and what exactly did the "professional" tell you?

MikeShlort · Feb 10, 2014

Vetiver;576356 said:
I still have to disagree with your theories about ligament fibrosis from doing girth + length. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding, and that you were mainly trying to stress to go slow in the beginning as not to over-train and cause the scar tissue formation, but adding in girth really doesn't play a role in this.

Most hangers will tell you adding girth before length makes it more difficult to add tunica stretching gains. The reasons being a) the tunica becomes toughened from the stress (this was the Dr.'s point) and b) it's just logical that a thicker material is harder to stretch than a thinner one.

That being said, many people like myself won't be affected. I have ligament potential gains, plus I started with a fairly big penis. Someone who's like 5 inches might wanna lay off girth work if they're trying to be 8 inches, because their ligament stretch potential could stall out after say 1.5 inches and they still need to make up that other 1.5 inches with tunica stretching.

I wrote this original post before I did research on hanging. IMO, the most educated and serious Penis Enlargement practitioners are hangers so you guys should probably figure out where they share information and start gaining that knowledge... This thread is for like newbies so they don't start yanking on their cocks too hard at first or start pumping like crazy and toughen their shit.

That being said, my gradual theory applies to hanging. They start at low weight, cause micro tears, keep stretching those micro tears and try to get the most gains out of the lowest possible weight. The goal is not to see how much weight your cock can hang - the goal is not strength, it's size. So like a bodybuilder who trains til failure, you're trying to rip apart the tissue. Only diff is you don't give it any time to heal - you keep attacking it before it can heal so you can pull out those micro tears again. I think that's maybe what I was trying to get at when I originally wrote this, just didn't have the info yet to convey my concept.

touchmyjunk · Feb 10, 2014

Doesn't it just take a 2-3 week deconditioning to allow the ligaments to weaken? It doesn't take too long for the rest of the body to fall apart. Ever wear a sling for 3 weeks? Your shoulder connecting tissues will barely function they become so weak.

ShadedSam · Feb 10, 2014

I actually believe that taking a deconditioning break STRENGTHENS the ligaments. If you don't ever take a break, they don't ever have a chance to heal and get stronger and create scar tissue. At least that has been my experience. The less time I take off the more pliable my dick is. And once they have strengthened, it can take a very long time for them to weaken depending on the person. Some people, like those with a tendency for Peyronie's disease, it will never weaken. Others it may never even harden in the first place.

truant · Feb 11, 2014

Rep mikeshlort. Great article. Funny thing is after all my years in my on and off pe career( up to month long breaks) I ended up only wearing the SG w/ PMP. I also wasn't as knowledgable as I am now thanks to the brothhood.

I think you may have also written another article about seeing a urologist that said to to these fast mini Jelqs at the base or was that someone else. Does anyone have a link?

Anyway I use the PMP more than 2 hours and the SG always goes back to minimal tension. It's a smart plan going with it at first.

Before the PMP I was on and off with Bathmate and some clamp work. Longer before that I had a very short stretching and hanging career.

Can someone make this a sticky please.

Zambrodom3 · Feb 11, 2014

truant;576454 said:
Rep mikeshlort. Great article. Funny thing is after all my years in my on and off pe career( up to month long breaks) I ended up only wearing the SG w/ PMP. I also wasn't as knowledgable as I am now thanks to the brothhood.

I think you may have also written another article about seeing a urologist that said to to these fast mini Jelqs at the base or was that someone else. Does anyone have a link?

Anyway I use the PMP more than 2 hours and the SG always goes back to minimal tension. It's a smart plan going with it at first.

Before the PMP I was on and off with Bathmate and some clamp work. Longer before that I had a very short stretching and hanging career.

Can someone make this a sticky please.

It was Neutron and I do have link to the thread, but Neutron deleted all of his posts in the whole thread, because this was too big of a discussion made out of his visit to the urologist.

It would be great to have this as a sticky

Vetiver · Feb 11, 2014

MikeShlort;576431 said:
Most hangers will tell you adding girth before length makes it more difficult to add tunica stretching gains. The reasons being a) the tunica becomes toughened from the stress (this was the Dr.'s point) and b) it's just logical that a thicker material is harder to stretch than a thinner one.

That being said, many people like myself won't be affected. I have ligament potential gains, plus I started with a fairly big penis. Someone who's like 5 inches might wanna lay off girth work if they're trying to be 8 inches, because their ligament stretch potential could stall out after say 1.5 inches and they still need to make up that other 1.5 inches with tunica stretching.

I wrote this original post before I did research on hanging. IMO, the most educated and serious Penis Enlargement practitioners are hangers so you guys should probably figure out where they share information and start gaining that knowledge... This thread is for like newbies so they don't start yanking on their cocks too hard at first or start pumping like crazy and toughen their shit.

That being said, my gradual theory applies to hanging. They start at low weight, cause micro tears, keep stretching those micro tears and try to get the most gains out of the lowest possible weight. The goal is not to see how much weight your cock can hang - the goal is not strength, it's size. So like a bodybuilder who trains til failure, you're trying to rip apart the tissue. Only diff is you don't give it any time to heal - you keep attacking it before it can heal so you can pull out those micro tears again. I think that's maybe what I was trying to get at when I originally wrote this, just didn't have the info yet to convey my concept.

Yes, I see what your getting at; stressing the importance of putting priorities in place and approaching goals with frugality. You're analogy about bodybuilding and muscle breakdown is sort of relative, and the penis has only a portion of smooth muscle. I also just have to keep disagreeing with the statement that growing the tunica through girth exercises will deem length gains more difficult to attain. Did you see my post about the tunica and how it's structured? Breaking down all of the penile tissues will be most effective for anyone seeking gains. Just like when stretching, and going in all directions. I believe the same applies to girth because there are multiple other parts to the penile anatomy. Here's a little picture to help show the parts of the penis, and if you check out the fascia you'll realize that it surrounds the tunica. Amazingly enough the penis is incredibly resilient, as DLD has professed, and I for one believe it based on my own experiences.

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Check out the definition of fascia here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascia

Note: When bodybuilding, and breaking down muscle groups, they rebuild stronger due to over-compensation to anticipate the next break down. The hypertrophy is limited only by the fascia that surrounds the muscle. In skeletal muscle, the fascia is basically what holds those muscle groups together, and that's the toughest part about increasing that volume because the fascia can be extremely hard to stretch out. Finally, I believe if you neglect one aspect of P.E. you're only losing out.

truant · Feb 11, 2014

Zambrodom3;576467 said:
It was Neutron and I do have link to the thread, but Neutron deleted all of his posts in the whole thread, because this was too big of a discussion made out of his visit to the urologist.

It would be great to have this as a sticky

Ok cool so it was Neutron. Haha he deleted his posts really damn I remember it was a big discussion like this one.

It had a lot of good info that I forgot but what I took out of it was the Jelq technique his urologist mentioned which conformed to me. I'll do a search for the thread and maybe bump it back up or if someone can do a link.

Yeah a discussion like this should be stuck and maybe paired with neutrons thread there's some great info on them like the SRT thread. I see it's paper clipped idk what that exactly does though.

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