"and it is very arrogant to think that European women would prefer an uncut cock"
"Any European woman who sees an uncut cock is going to think that the man is either Jewish or American or Muslim"
I think those comments are a little mixed up you meaning a cut cock not uncut cock.

I think the debate before was good becuase it wasn't really a debate, it was just guys talking about some different issues and circumcision. When all these facts come in from kong its starting a "real" debate of circumcised is better or uncircumcised is better. I don't think either is better or worse just different preferences from guys. I personally think the shit about getting a girl off with an uncircumcized dick is bullshit but thats my opinion. You can read a whole lot of stuff on a pro circumcision sight and get a bunch pof great facts and then go to another anti circumcision one and find the oppisite. When it comes down to it a girl doesn't care if your cut or not but just how good you fuck them and make them cum screaming for more.
 
typo...sorry...guess that invalidates my arguments

by the way, mick, are you cut or uncut?
 
As far as judging the "facts" presented by two sides of an issue, pro and con, you have to decide for yourself what you feel is the correct one. One thing you can do is ask yourself who might have something to gain or something to lose. Anti-circumcision advocates (they call themselves "intactivists") really have nothing to gain from lying about the issue. They call for infant male genital mutilation to be stopped. There is no profit to be had or lost in this. They only ask for the practice to be halted and the ADULT MAN to be given an informed choice on the issue-- that the act not be commited on helpless children without their consent. The pro-circumcision faction has plenty to lose. Circumcision is a very lucrative business. The income from circumcisions nets the medical industry in excess of 1 billion dollars a year, not to mention the secondary income from selling products like KY Jelly (for dry, chapped pussies) and Viagra (for men who can't get it up anymore). Taken in that light, I'm sure you can see why some would not want this message to be spread. The medical industry wants -- No, NEEDS -- to keep you uneducated and thus unable to take a stand against an outdated and unnecessary medical procedure!

PS-- I'm sure when the medical establisHydromaxent perfects foreskin reconstruction surgery, they will then advocate restoration. Of course, they'll keep circumcising babies as long as possible, but for the fellas who grow up and want it back, they'll fix that, too! Just more profit! :)
 
Half-cut is better than all cut. :D

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Mick, I have no problem with circumcision whatsoever. If you think a circumcised penis looks and works fine, I'm happy for you! But don't you think it might be nice for all of us to have the choice? I know I would have liked to have had a choice in the matter. After all, it is my penis.

I keep running into this "just shut up and accept it" attitude, which I think is very odd coming from some of the men on this forum. Especially since they did not accept the "medically proven fact" that you can't enlarge your penis without surgery. I know mine is bigger. How about yours? So much for medical opinion!

If you like being cut, that's great. I really am happy for you. Really. But don't lie and say there is no difference between cut and uncut. That's either ignorance or denial. Common sense alone dictates that a penis works better with all the parts still connected.
 
1. Yeah my girl likes my dick smell aswell ;)
2. I never said that european girls would say ewww when they saw a cut dick! I said (or at least meant to say) that european girls would rather give a comment ( like why? or how come?) to a cut dick as to uncut dick. If they see a uncut dick they won't say anything because its normal for them. And this comes from the fact, that the most european girls haven't ever seen a uncut dick.
3. I love my forskin and play with it when ever i can ;) hehe
4. Refer to point 3 because i don't know what else i should wright and thats a time when i do it ;) hehe
 
Oh yess
5. Kong take it easy, come with me to holland and letts chill a bit **puff**puff***
;)
 
I've comtemplated FR to some extent myself, as so many have spoken about the benefits. Now, things like this make me wonder. The anti-circumcision advocates have acted as though penile odor is a flat-out myth from the medical industry. Clearly this is not the case.
 
Well i don't know about cut dicks but uncut dicks have a normal dick smell. I guess the coment of uncut dicks have absolutly no smell comes from the fact, that the normal dick smell is no where near the smell of an unwashed penis. And a uncut dick does absolutly not smell like a smelly winkie. I mean i know that smell since I've been a litlle kid and it's absolutly normal. I wouldn't call it a oder because it's just pure normal and i couldn't imagine how my dick should smell if i were cut. And i can'T imagine that cut dicks don't have any kind of smell...
 
It's ridiculous to say that a cut dick doesn't smell! I'm cut and it stinks if I don't clean myself. Now that I'm restoring, there is a MILD almost sweet smell that I notice at times. That's all! It doesn't attract flies or make women vomit when I walk by. I only notice it when taking off my t-tapes. There is a smell, yes, but rank stench...no, that IS a myth! The bottom line is, every dick smells bad if you don't wash.
 
yeah and if you never wash it you can even grow chees on it ;P
 
by the way, mick, are you cut or uncut?
I'm cut.

All i'm saying is that kong when you talk about circumcision its like the hospitals and people are out to get you and steal from you. No doctor forces a baby to be circumcised YOU have the option as the guardian and father of your child. Trust me, doctors and the medical industAlsory don't need circumcision to stay profitable. Yes, they make money off of it but the make money off of anything and can try and fuck you a million other ways. Also, doctors and health care did not invent circumcision, the jews started this tradition as a covenent with god (yes trust me i can see the irony)

Ok but why am i even talking. I am NOT pro circumcision. Kong i mean no disrespect but since you do have a big impact on this board when you talk about circumcision its like doctors are out to mutilate kids for profit and forskin is the best thing ever which will add on 2 inches to your dick and sex will be multiplied exponentially end of story.

"If you like being cut, that's great. I really am happy for you. Really. But don't lie and say there is no difference between cut and uncut. That's either ignorance or denial. Common sense alone dictates that a penis works better with all the parts still connected."

Im cut and younger than most people here but ill bet i can fuck girls better and have a better orgasm than most. IS this ignorance? no...Is it Confidence? of course and you need it to be a really good fuck.
 
kong when you talk about circumcision its like the hospitals and people are out to get you and steal from you.

Oh, but they are... ;) Don't be naive. Especially when there is money to be made. I am a businessman and a salesman. I have nothing against having a business and making money, but the one thing I hate is a dishonest salesman. Every fact they present to encourage people to continue having boys circumcised is fallacy. Medical studies have shown that, and the movement to stop routine circumcision is growing, but there are still alot of "snake oil salesmen" out there, pushing this product, which does more harm than good. That's the main problem I have with it. Fuck, figure out a way to cure cancer, guys! Stop cutting off the good meat!

No doctor forces a baby to be circumcised

Uhhh...okay. I know I didn't sign a consent form when I was 1 day old!

YOU have the option as the guardian and father of your child.

Wrong. In Canada and other countries, circumcision cannot be done without the consent of both parents. In the USA, the father has no rights whatsoever concerning this. I am older, more experienced, and found this out the hard way. Once my exhausted, drugged wife signed the consent form (after being told that it would be cleaner and healthier) it was a done deal. I came in from work and said No way and the doctor sneered and said "Well, it's not really your choice, is it?" True story, gentlemen. I hate that fucking bastard.

Trust me, doctors and the medical industAlsory don't need circumcision to stay profitable.

And McDonald's doesn't need to sell fries. But it sure makes the GP margin look better!

Yes, they make money off of it but the make money off of anything and can try and fuck you a million other ways. Also, doctors and health care did not invent circumcision, the jews started this tradition as a covenent with god (yes trust me i can see the irony)

Jews began to circumcise as a "covenant with God" (good sales pitch). They also began to circumcise because their religious leaders wanted to drive a wedge between man and woman, seperating them emotionally, so that the church would have more influence over them. I have researched it, and the intent is clearly stated in some of their religious texts. By reducing a man's sexual pleasure, and increasing a female's discomfort, they would be less bonded together and more likely to devote more of their time to their religious leaders.

The original Jewish circumcision was just a little nip compared to now. Later in history, as Jews were exposed to other cultures, some Jewish men began to stretch their clipped foreskins so they could fit in with these new people, pulling it out and tying it with string until they were restored. The reaction of their religious leaders was to create a new form of circumcision in which almost all the skin of the penis was removed. What we call the "high and tight". It resulted in men growing up with our common present day problems: curved, stunted penises, erection problems, sensitivity loss. It also kept the Jewish men of that day from having anything to grab ahold of and stretch. They didn't have tape.

Ok but why am i even talking. I am NOT pro circumcision.

Good.

Kong i mean no disrespect but since you do have a big impact on this board when you talk about circumcision its like doctors are out to mutilate kids for profit

Yep. It's the perfect scam.

and forskin is the best thing ever which will add on 2 inches to your dick and sex will be multiplied exponentially end of story.

Pussy is the best thing ever created...but, yeah, foreskin is awesome. If you were cut high and tight, restoring can give you added length and girth. You will not even be able to imagine the difference in pleasure unless you try it. You can do t-taping for a month or two without commiting and find out, but that is up to you. I only speak from my own knowledge and my own experience. Why wouldn't I want to share something that I feel is wonderful and beneficial? I love you guys and want you to have a choice, and if you are having problems with your penis...if you are having E.D. like I was, if you don't enjoy sex like you used to, if your penis is stunted and curved, if you get painfully tight erections, you should have an opportunity to know what may be causing it! If your car is broke down on the side of the road, wouldn't you want someone to tell you how to fix it?

Im cut and younger than most people here but ill bet i can fuck girls better and have a better orgasm than most. IS this ignorance? no...Is it Confidence? of course and you need it to be a really good fuck.

Ah, the confidence of youth! :) I don't doubt one bit that you can split a pussy in two, Mick. I'm not being sarcastic either. I can split a pussy in half, as well, my friend (sometimes more than once in a row-- at age 33)! I have confidence in spades...and two other things: knowledge and a drive for self improvement! I realize that you are young and quite satisfied with your lady tamer, but when you are 10 years older, and the old twig and berries are starting to get some mileage on them and you notice that you're not as horny and not as sensitive and lightning bolts don't shoot out your ass when you nut anymore...you'll remember these conversations and debates and think: "Hmmm, maybe I'll give that a try." That's plenty good enough for me, and it's the only reason I keep spreading the word when so many of you young fellas don't want the message. Being a dad, I have learned that sometimes you can tell a young man the truth and be believed, and sometimes all you can do is plant a seed.
 
I'm cut and i'm all for FR, but i'm not so sure about the smell part. Also, i don't know if i buy into the notion that sex will feel better for a woman if the man is uncut. Yes, i understand about gliding due to the foreskin but the friction caused by the rubbing of the penis to the vaginal wall does in fact cause great pleasure in women. Everytime i've had sex with a woman while wearing a condom and then take it off and continue to have sex, all the women always comment that it feels much better without the condom cause with the condom they didn't feel as much friction.
 
it always feels better without a condom! Doesn't matter if ya cut or uncut!
 
I don't think the difference is as great for women as it is for men. I think it is mostly comfort and not drying out as easy. Perhaps the difference is this: with a cut penis, tight skinned, the female is being stimulated by one hard, solid object thrusting in and out, almost like a dildo, but with an uncut man, it is more like the female is being stimulated by moving folds of skin, with the glans thrusting out, hitting the top. My wife, in fact, made the comment that I felt like a dildo before, very solid and unmoving, where now it is "softer" (meaning the gliding, not the penis! :) ) She said that she can do it for hours now without getting sore, and she doesn't go dry like she used to.

And just a note for the guys. This is how sensitive it will get: You know the best, most awesome, powerful orgasm you ever had in you life fucking the sexiest woman you ever laid felt? That will become a normal jacking off cum. I'm not kidding. I put some lotion on the tip and beat off today, running my skin up over the head, and came so hard that I had to take 5 just to regroup! :) Pussy is twice as good as that! :) :) :)
 
lol
you do know that this discosion could go on for weeks kong ;P
 
kong1971 said:
Jews began to circumcise as a "covenant with God" (good sales pitch). They also began to circumcise because their religious leaders wanted to drive a wedge between man and woman, seperating them emotionally, so that the church would have more influence over them. I have researched it, and the intent is clearly stated in some of their religious texts. By reducing a man's sexual pleasure, and increasing a female's discomfort, they would be less bonded together and more likely to devote more of their time to their religious leaders.

The original Jewish circumcision was just a little nip compared to now. Later in history, as Jews were exposed to other cultures, some Jewish men began to stretch their clipped foreskins so they could fit in with these new people, pulling it out and tying it with string until they were restored. The reaction of their religious leaders was to create a new form of circumcision in which almost all the skin of the penis was removed. What we call the "high and tight". It resulted in men growing up with our common present day problems: curved, stunted penises, erection problems, sensitivity loss. It also kept the Jewish men of that day from having anything to grab ahold of and stretch. They didn't have tape.

That is all pretty interesting. Got any links that provide any good, credible information on that? Sounds like a good read.
 
hopful said:
it always feels better without a condom! Doesn't matter if ya cut or uncut!

For a guy yea... but from the girl's perspective it's not the same.
 
Can be, you'st was sayingi never met a girl that said put that rubber back on because it felt better.... ;)
 
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